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American Unveils New 767 Business Class  
User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33285 posts, RR: 71
Posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 26082 times:

American has unveiled it's new business class on the 767-300ER:

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...n-service-in-april/comment-page-1/

No surprise, as expected, it's the same lie flats everybody uses on the 767s, but by the pictures, AA has stepped it up with interior materials. I'm not a huge fan of the seat because it's quite narrow, but it's all the market has unfortunately.

Service begins April 1st on JFK-ZRH, with the product rolling out across 30 aircraft in the fleet over the year.


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User currently onlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3340 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 26074 times:
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Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?


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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 25786 times:

Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.

User currently onlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1232 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 25705 times:

I like it better than Delta's 767 B/E cabin, just having the woodgrain warms the cabin a bit.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 25594 times:

It's nice enough. What will still keep me away is not knowing whether I'll get one of the old configuration 763s or the new ones.

User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 25515 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):
Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?

I had read somewhere that they would still be using the Galaxy tablets in J. Can somebody confirm this?. . .Also, it looks like Y will simply be getting "drop down lcd's" (how fancy). Clearly and improvement over the old CRT's, but still unfortunate that they chose not to go with in seat IFE.

This J cabin is definitely an improvement over what they have now. I think having your own surface space and not having to be cautious of spilling your seatmates drink is a huge plus. I always hated being in ultra close proximity of a seatmate, so this is a step up.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11974 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 25472 times:

Looks pretty nice - and obviously long overdue. I still contend that many of these 763s may well end up plying former US routes out of PHL/CLT - particularly those flown by US 762s now.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):
Did they say that AA decided against AVOD? Or was that for economy?

Y. It was already announced that Y would not get AVOD.


User currently offlinea380787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 1087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25385 times:

looks identical to LX/AC/SN product .... excellent choice ... makes the PMUA 2-2-2 J look like ancient junk

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25337 times:

It looks very nice. They took a page out of the DL playbook.

User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8769 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25277 times:

Who is the provider of the international WiFi they mentioned, and what is the technology used?

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25240 times:

The cabin definitely looks nice! The seats remind me of front seats you might find in a sport/luxury sedan.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25122 times:

Certainly an improvement over current offering which I go out of my way to avoid, and result don't fly overseas on AA even as an EXP.


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User currently offline747d10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2013, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25055 times:

The article doesn't mention anything about coach overhead bins. I wonder if they will be upgraded to match the business class bins.


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User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 24934 times:
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I'd say it looks good if industrial. I'm not a big fan of Gray seats, not on American Not on United NOPLACE!
I'm surprised they're keeping the overhead drop down LCD screens.
With wifi on board I thought Streaming Video was the rage.


User currently offlinealitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 24908 times:

Good on AA, about time. And bravo on them for balancing cap-ex with a product that looks finished (vs. DL's 767 seat which is common DL stock).

That said, the seat itself is horridly uncomfortable and narrow. I never thought I'd say it but I prefer AF's NEV3/4 seat to this flat-bed option.



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User currently offlinelongisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23996 times:

Nice product for the 767. It has been speculated on here that the 763 and 77E will get the same J product. IMHO, I think that is disappointing. The 77E should be getting the 77W J seat.

User currently offlinesassiciai From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2013, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23653 times:

It is a bit dreary and underwhelming to read about this! Alternative threads tell us about the new QR cabin in the A380, Lufthansa's new business class offer, Skymark's new all Y+ to mention but 3.

AA's new B767 interiors! How exciting! Especially for me as a wallet-constrained Y traveller, to discover that this new makeover doesn't include seat back screens in Y. In 2014! Drop down screens on long haul!

Oh well, I can relax by thinking that I cant imagine any scenario where I will voluntarily fly on one of these, having already had my dose of AA TATL return flights!


User currently offlinetrianglegis21 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23456 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
Especially for me as a wallet-constrained Y traveller, to discover that this new makeover doesn't include seat back screens in Y. In 2014! Drop down screens on long haul!

With smartphones and tablet computers at my disposal, I generally don't find PTVs to be all that necessary with the exception of the longest flights in the network (like say, DFW-HKG or ORD-PEK). It's a nice luxury, and I think it's a mistake that they don't offer it for competitive reasons, but I can personally deal without it for a European hop.


User currently offline777stl From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3768 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23458 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 16):
Oh well, I can relax by thinking that I cant imagine any scenario where I will voluntarily fly on one of these, having already had my dose of AA TATL return flights!

I'm sure AA is going to miss that $600 for your once in every 5 years trip.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23149 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.

According to airchive.com, there will be no in-seat entertainment. WiFi and tablets will be available.

http://airchive.com/blog/2014/03/07/...irlines-unveils-new-767-300-cabin/

Quote:
The real surprise, however, is that American will not introduce built-in inflight entertainment (IFE) in either cabin on the reconfigured aircraft. Instead business passengers will receive a Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet device. The airline currently offers the device to first/business passengers on select routes served by 737-800, 767-200/300, and 757 type aircraft. Presumably economy passengers will watch whatever is on the overhead screens.



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User currently offlinesassiciai From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2013, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23145 times:

Quoting 777stl (Reply 18):
I'm sure AA is going to miss that $600 for your once in every 5 years trip.

What a silly comment! Perhaps you should at least ask me about my travel patterns and frequencies before venturing that remark!

If the attitude of AA is to not care about the once-in-5-years-Y class traveller in any case, I think you just prove my point. See if SIA, Etihad, or BA would do that (those are the airlines I use multiple times each year)

AA got my trip 10 years ago. Never again!


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22993 times:
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The new 767 J class is something we have seen on Delta 764ER. The new AA A321T has the J class seat commonly founf on Comtinental airplanes. The new 77W have the Cathay J class which is the leader right now, even Air France is going with that seat. WE don't know what the AA 77E fleet will get but lets hope its the Cathay J seat. But what I find inconsistent is why doesn'T AA have the same seat all the way across the fleet like BA does with Club World.

User currently offlinetrianglegis21 From United States of America, joined Dec 2013, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22989 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 21):

If the attitude of AA is to not care about the once-in-5-years-Y class traveller in any case, I think you just prove my point. See if SIA, Etihad, or BA would do that (those are the airlines I use multiple times each year)

Think before you make an overly rash statement like that, and think about what makes the A321s/B77Ws interior plans different from the B763 retrofits. Exactly, age and marginal cost differences. The high costs of upgrading the electronics necessary to install full-scale AVOD on these planes may not be worth it for AA if there are plans to eventually phase the aircraft out in the medium-term with a true high-tech plane.


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22785 times:

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 21):
AA got my trip 10 years ago. Never again!

Never again sounds like your mind is made up. So it wouldn't matter what AA did, you would never fly them again. So why let it bother you how their cabins are designed. That's the beauty, you still have a choice! Does AA miss your $, of course, they'd love to have ALL your business.. But they don't. So they try and appeal to others. Its working.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31420 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22776 times:
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Quoting Mah4546 (Thread starter):
I'm not a huge fan of the seat because it's quite narrow, but it's all the market has unfortunately.

Are they as narrow as the 19" seats in 2+2+2 found on other 767s?

Then again, even if they are 19", you do get a fair amount of "spread out" room with the side tables.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 25, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22990 times:

I think the seat looks good, though the staggering is a bit odd. At least its not as dense as UA. Too bad they couldn't do the same seat as the 77W, which is the best around.

Quoting commavia (Reply 6):
I still contend that many of these 763s may well end up plying former US routes out of PHL/CLT - particularly those flown by US 762s now.

In that case, why not keep more of the 763s around?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):

Who is the provider of the international WiFi they mentioned, and what is the technology used?

If its the same as the 77Ws, it will be T-Mobile.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 13):
With wifi on board I thought Streaming Video was the rage.

No one has fast enough WiFi for that yet.



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33285 posts, RR: 71
Reply 26, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23013 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):
WE don't know what the AA 77E fleet will get but lets hope its the Cathay J seat.

It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11974 posts, RR: 62
Reply 27, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23256 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
In that case, why not keep more of the 763s around?

That may well be the outcome. I just commented the other day in another thread that I think AA may well keep more 763s around and reconfigure the jets not getting this new J layout into a higher-density, smaller-F configuration for use in domestic, Hawaii and Caribbean/Latin America markets. The wildcard in all of this is how AA decides to use the US Airbus widebodies currently on order. AA will have lots of new widebody capacity coming online in the next few years and as the integrate the networks and move aircraft around I can easily, for example, envision US A330s moving into some former AA markets (particularly some MIA-Latin America routes) and, as mentioned, these upgraded 763s moving into several former US markets like CLT-FRA, among others.


User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1040 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23167 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
Link says each plane will be outfitted with in-seat entertainment. I assume that means for the whole plane and not just biz class. Also nice they're putting international WiFi on each plane.

You didn't read it correctly the article states that their will be drop down LCD screens in the main cabin here is the direct quote from the article. "Other elements of the Boeing 767-300ER retrofit project include the installation of new LCD drop-down monitors, new digital audio systems, refreshed lavatories, and new seat covers and cushions in the Main Cabin."
So it would seem as if AA is not installing PTV's throughout the entire aircraft only in business class.

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...n-service-in-april/comment-page-1/


User currently offlinestgs1988 From Denmark, joined Sep 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23069 times:

Hi,

What's the name of the company that produces the seats on this perticular subject?

Recaro of Germany?


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 30, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22550 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
WiFi and tablets will be available.

When these 763s inevitably do a domestic run, will the WiFi be available?


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22457 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):

I guess my assumption was incorrect. That's what I get for assuming, I suppose.   Thanks for the info.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 32, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22010 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 27):
It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.

Why on earth wouldn't they use the excellent one they use on the 77W?

Quoting commavia (Reply 28):
I just commented the other day in another thread that I think AA may well keep more 763s around and reconfigure the jets not getting this new J layout into a higher-density, smaller-F configuration for use in domestic, Hawaii and Caribbean/Latin America markets.

Which is fine, I guess, but there is a big gap between the A332 and the 762ER. I would think that reconfigured 763s woudl make a lot of sense for those 762ER markets.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 33, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22014 times:

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):
looks identical to LX/AC/SN product ....

AC's 763 J product is nothing like that, it's "herringbone".


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31420 posts, RR: 85
Reply 34, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 21948 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
Why on earth wouldn't they use the excellent one they use on the 77W?

Maybe it won't fit? The 777 is a fair bit wider than the 767.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 35, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 21763 times:

Nice improvement! Who says US airliners are in a race for the bottom??? Out of their minds they are!
US airline majors have been to hell and back.
The AA/US merger represents the final major merger and seat capacity rationalization of today. Product is being improved while the shareholders are not being forgotten. Good stuff!!!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 36, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 21505 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
Maybe it won't fit? The 777 is a fair bit wider than the 767.

I was referencing the 772



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33285 posts, RR: 71
Reply 37, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21406 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 27):It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.
Why on earth wouldn't they use the excellent one they use on the 77W?

Because they are designing a presumably better one.

The only reason the 77W has the seats it does was because it was a rush job and those could be factory installed ASAP. The seats on the 772 are what AA would have preferred on the 77W.



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User currently offlineHELyes From Thailand, joined Oct 2010, 1002 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20072 times:

Quoting stgs1988 (Reply 29):
What's the name of the company that produces the seats on this perticular subject?

Recaro of Germany?

Looks like the Zodiac UK Vantage seats, similar than Finnair and Swiss? have.


User currently offlinepiedmont727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19822 times:

I will be flying the 767-300 in late April , hopefully I get lucky with a new interior aircraft , glad to see AA upgrading

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 40, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19617 times:
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Quoting HELyes (Reply 38):
Quoting stgs1988 (Reply 29):
What's the name of the company that produces the seats on this perticular subject?

Recaro of Germany?

Looks like the Zodiac UK Vantage seats, similar than Finnair and Swiss? have.

Definitely Vantage system, or an incredible rip off!


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 41, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18321 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):
looks identical to LX/AC/SN product ....

AC's 763 J product is nothing like that, it's "herringbone".

...AC is using the same product as AA is on their new 77Ws....the high density ones.



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User currently offlinepeergynt From United States of America, joined May 2009, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16883 times:

Are they serious???? Those brand new 767???!!!!!!

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13220 times:
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Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 26):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 22):WE don't know what the AA 77E fleet will get but lets hope its the Cathay J seat.
It's getting a new seat that AA is the launch customer for.

Why would AA use a different seat for their 77E fleet ? The 77W seat came from Cathay Pacific and has to be the best in the world right now, even Air France is going to use it.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11974 posts, RR: 62
Reply 44, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13157 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 43):
Why would AA use a different seat for their 77E fleet ?

My guess is that AA may want a J seat that allows a configuration holding the already-announced 45, but without sacrificing as much square footage in the cabin so they can pack in more Y seats. Just my guess ...

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 43):
The 77W seat came from Cathay Pacific and has to be the best in the world right now

Agreed. That is without question the best J seat I've ever flown in. As I've said before, I honestly think AA's 77Ws have not only the best J seat of any U.S. airline, but a J seat that is broadly competitive with the J hard product of just about any other airline in the world, with only a very few limited exceptions. It's a great seat.


User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13009 times:

It's a bit office-like, but the beige and wood grain add some warmth relative to DL.

From AA's announcement, it sounds as if some of the 767-323s will not get the upgrade and instead go on to another life (or the desert). I suppose these are the very early ones from 1989, which are now getting to 25+ years.


User currently offlinejustplanenutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12521 times:

OK, so let's tie all of the 763 mods up in one place. 58 total in fleet--of which:

9 delivered with 777-style interior, the rest received new bins/panels only in F &J
30 are now getting new J seats, Y cushions and covers, WIFI, drop LCDs and refreshed bathrooms
28 (??) have been wingletted (that number is several years old, and I could not find a current #)
?? received MAUI mods (Midlife Avionics Upgrade Initiative)
28 have been painted in the new livery

So, is it safe to assume these all overlap and by the end of 2014, AA will have 30 painted, wingletted, MAUI'd 763s with updated interiors (though old bins/wall panels in Y on 21 of them) and 28 without all of the above awaiting either new plans from AA or retirement in the desert?


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12406 times:
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While nice, I think people need to remember that has the 787 been on time, we'd be talking about these birds like we've been talking about the 762s for the lst few years. This is clearly another stopgap until they 787s start building a presence in the fleet.

With respect to in J class seat product, in-seat IFE, Y class offerings I'm much more concern and going to be paying much closer attention as to what AA comes up with for it's 788s and 789s with respect to who/where I fly since I am one of the one's who falls into the category of avoiding AA's 763 J seats on international flights any chance I get.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 48, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12039 times:
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Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 46):
So, is it safe to assume these all overlap and by the end of 2014, AA will have 30 painted, wingletted, MAUI'd 763s with updated interiors (though old bins/wall panels in Y on 21 of them) and 28 without all of the above awaiting either new plans from AA or retirement in the desert?

I believe the other 28 will be replaced by 788's
Then the current missions where the 763 is deployed (Deep South America and Europe) probably will be assumed by the 788's and the updated 763's would assume the older 763 missions.



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User currently onlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9959 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):
why doesn'T AA have the same seat all the way across the fleet like BA does with Club World.

Not strictly true - whilst all BA club world are lie flat seats there are different types


There is the 'standard' seat for most wide bodies, though I understand that the 767s have a slightly different seat to the other wide bodies because of the cabin width

Then there is the club world from City Airport on the A318s which is completely different: 2x2 all forward facing and individual tablets for IFE; and finally

The mid haul A321s have a different seat again to the A318s 2+1/1+2 alternating all forward facing. Admittedly these were bought by BD before the airline was acquired by BA and only fitted after the take over and are I believe very similar to Swiss/Austrian J seats .

So depending where you are flying you might get a quite different J class experience.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9521 times:

Do we know if this AA 763 retrofit involves updating the over head bins in Main Cabin and the RECARO side wall panels?

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33285 posts, RR: 71
Reply 51, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 44):
My guess is that AA may want a J seat that allows a configuration holding the already-announced 45, but without sacrificing as much square footage in the cabin so they can pack in more Y seats. Just my guess ...

That will not be the case. The 772 J seat will take up more space than the 77W J seat.



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User currently offlineuberflieger From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 790 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8520 times:
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The Good   
Excellent Business Class seats with material and color choices creating a contemporary, upscale ambiance.
International Wi-Fi is sweet, very sweet.

The Bad   
Galaxy Tablets are here to stay. The hustle & bustle 1 hour before landing to collect them often cuts down on my sleep.
I really couldn't care less about AVOD, especially in Coach with tiny screens. As a matter of fact I had my worst flight ever on a Lufthansa A380 with the guy behind me hitting the screen and therefore my seat back for 11 hours, but c'mon American, you're putting leather seats with AVOD on A319s for mostly domestic short & medium haul, but not on international flights with 8 plus hours? This is not competitive.

And how about?
Looks like there will only be a small number of Main Cabin Extra (MCE) seats? This one can go both ways, less of a chance for an upgrade, but a small, intimate section between B/C and Y.
Nobody so far has been able to confirm 777 style overhead compartments for Y. I reserve my judgment until the official press release   
And how about not investing in new, weight saving, slim-line seats? This may be the best indication yet the remaining 30 frames also have an expiration date



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33285 posts, RR: 71
Reply 53, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8209 times:

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 52):
you're putting leather seats with AVOD on A319s for mostly domestic short & medium haul, but not on international flights with 8 plus hours? This is not competitive.

Leather seats on a long-haul plane is never a good idea. Not even the A321s have leather - because they suck for long-haul.

The original plan was that the seats would have custom-designed docking stations for the tablets. They would be flush into the seat, and there would be no hand-out/collection process. To a casual observer, they are just like built-in PTVs, but the user can remove them from the docking station if they wish. I don't know if that plan stuck, but if the plan has stuck, I would argue it's better than built-in IFE.



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User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
In that case, why not keep more of the 763s around?

AA stated it has room to accelerate or slow down 763 retirements depending on their needs. We may very well see some older 763s stick around for a tad bit to replace the pmUS 762s.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 53):
I don't know if that plan stuck, but if the plan has stuck, I would argue it's better than built-in IFE.

The most frustrating part about the tablet is the fact that it has no flight map. For that very reason, I will have to argue against your idea of it being better than built-in.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 55, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 54):

The most frustrating part about the tablet is the fact that it has no flight map. For that very reason, I will have to argue against your idea of it being better than built-in.

Yep. That's key.

But... since they'll have international WiFi, then it's possible at least for parts of the flight to login to one of the tracking sites on the web. But my question from earlier is unanswered. When these "new" 763s inevitably find themselves on a domestic run, will the "international" WiFi be turned on?

[Edited 2014-03-09 12:14:43]

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 56, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 54):
The most frustrating part about the tablet is the fact that it has no flight map. For that very reason, I will have to argue against your idea of it being better than built-in.

I haven't flown AA in ages, but on Southwest flights with WiFi, the free website will show a moving map with your flight information.


User currently offlineuberflieger From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 790 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7688 times:
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Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 53):
The original plan was that the seats would have custom-designed docking stations for the tablets

If that's the case I'll give it a   

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 53):
Leather seats on a long-haul plane is never a good idea

Totally agree and only mentioned it to highlight the total investment American is making in its domestic short & medium haul Y product. The new A319 is spectacular. The new 767 Y product is not and will remain the worst of the 3 legacies, unless you prefer free wine & beer to United's AVOD  
You're posts are always a great read for behind-the-scenes developments at American. Any idea whether all 30 767s will get the 777 style overhead bins?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 58, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 41):
...AC is using the same product as AA is on their new 77Ws....the high density ones.

Yep. Herringbone is kind of a space hog - not to mention it sucks if you like the window.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 37):
Because they are designing a presumably better one.

That would truly be amazing.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 51):
That will not be the case. The 772 J seat will take up more space than the 77W J seat.

Making it even more ridiculous, unless they are going really crazy with this seat.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 59, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Cranky Flier has a story this week on the refreshed 763s including comments from Andrew Nocella SVP and Chief Marketing Officer.

Some highlights:

o More than half the 763 fleet will be gone in about 3-years, so only ~25 frames will get the upgrade. These 25 frames though will only be around for about 5-years themselves.
o US 762 fleet will be kept through summer 2015 to allow for these upgrades be to accelerated.
o 763s will focus more on secondary markets - example given was Brasilia (now a 757 market)
o Still pondering at what to do with Intl 757 fleets.
o Goal (in 5-years) is to have consistent all flat bed international premium product, and AVOD in the back.

http://crankyflier.com/2014/03/11/am...-its-767s-but-only-the-front-half/

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User currently offlineuberflieger From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 790 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6045 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):

The clues were all there. For an airline focused on becoming an onboard leader to do the absolute minimum investment? The 767s will be long gone and 757s will still be gracing the skies. Can't wait to see the first one painted   



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User currently offlinejustplanenutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Thanks--that fills in a lot of the gaps about 767 plans.

User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
o More than half the 763 fleet will be gone in about 3-years, so only ~25 frames will get the upgrade. These 25 frames though will only be around for about 5-years themselves.
o US 762 fleet will be kept through summer 2015 to allow for these upgrades be to accelerated.

This makes sense given that AA will have 42 787s by 2018 that will more than replace the ~33 763s that will not get the new interiors and also replace the 4-6 US 762s without a planned replacement order. However, if they indeed plan to retire all the 763s by 2019, it means that they have delivery slots before 2020 (there are 58 787s options), because they will still need ~20 more aircraft to replace every aircraft without any widebody growth (which is, in my opinion, unlikely, because AA will need those brand new aircraft to expand its TPAC network, and because AA has added a lot of 763 flights recently, like MIA-MXP/CWB/POA). And, if as the article states, they plan to use those 763s to replace some 757 missions, that number of needed options could well exceed 20.


User currently offlineuberflieger From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 790 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5950 times:
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Quoting realsim (Reply 62):

When are the first A350s scheduled to join the fleet? I seem to remember 2017?



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11974 posts, RR: 62
Reply 64, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
More than half the 763 fleet will be gone in about 3-years, so only ~25 frames will get the upgrade. These 25 frames though will only be around for about 5-years themselves.

Interesting.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
US 762 fleet will be kept through summer 2015 to allow for these upgrades be to accelerated.

Guess that makes sense. Surprised they still couldn't just get rid of the 762s sooner, though.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
763s will focus more on secondary markets - example given was Brasilia (now a 757 market)

BSB seems like a logical market to upgauge from 752>763.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
Still pondering at what to do with Intl 757 fleets.

I still say park the US JY 757s ASAP and backfill with the nicer AA JY 757s.

Quoting realsim (Reply 62):
This makes sense given that AA will have 42 787s by 2018 that will more than replace the ~33 763s that will not get the new interiors and also replace the 4-6 US 762s without a planned replacement order. However, if they indeed plan to retire all the 763s by 2019, it means that they have delivery slots before 2020 (there are 58 787s options), because they will still need ~20 more aircraft to replace every aircraft without any widebody growth

Don't forget the US A350s on order, too, though. AA has lots of widebodies coming in the next few years.

Quoting realsim (Reply 62):
will need those brand new aircraft to expand its TPAC network, and because AA has added a lot of 763 flights recently, like MIA-MXP/CWB/POA)

AA has added a fair amount of 763 flying in the last few years - like the MIA-MXP and MIA-CWB/POA you mentioned. But AA has also cut a fair amount of 763 flying in the last few years, including LAX-BOS, BOS-CDG, ORD-LAX/SFO, DFW-FRA (back to 777), DFW-EZE (to 777), DFW-MAD (to 777 seasonally), etc. I suspect there's already some slack in the 763 fleet, net of any maintenance issues that may still be ongoing with that fleet.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 64):

I still say park the US JY 757s ASAP

The US ETOPS 757 East fleet are some of the newest 757s in the skies. Most were delivered in the late 1990s, and aren't a bad ride. The US ETOPS 757 West fleet though, needs to go ASAP.



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 64):
Guess that makes sense. Surprised they still couldn't just get rid of the 762s sooner, though.

This year it's impossible unless the cancel all the TATL expansion announced for this summer ex CLT, which they won't given that it was announced by L-US just before the merger was closed. US is getting 3 A332s to replace another 3 762s this year, and the last one is due next year. This will leave another 6 762s without any replacement, and I believe they will be able to retire almost all of them given that CLT-GIG will be axed (2 frames), and the other 4 could be easily removed if flights to FRA are reduced to 1 daily and some of the European expansion ex CLT doesn't come back next summer.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 65):
The US ETOPS 757 East fleet are some of the newest 757s in the skies. Most were delivered in the late 1990s, and aren't a bad ride. The US ETOPS 757 West fleet though, needs to go ASAP.
AA is going to have plenty of 752s with winglets to replace the older US birds. In fact, most of the already retired L-AA 752s are newer that the 5 ex Republic ones without winglets that are used for PHX-HI flights. However, of course, if AA wants to replace the 8 L-US west ETOPS birds, they need to certify more of theirs for ETOPS operations, cause the ones that are being retired are not ETOPS.

[Edited 2014-03-11 12:20:38]

User currently offlineAMALH747430 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

Hi all. I have been visiting this forum for over a decade and decided it was time to pay up and become a member. This is a topic that has intrigued me for quite some time. I made my first hop across the pond back in the summer of 2005 to attend a study abroad program for law school in Innsbruck, Austria. Back then I was a pretty loyal AA fan so I of course flew AA. On the way over I flew AA 86 ORD-LHR on a 772. The return was AA 79 LGW-DFW on a 763. While I was in Innsbruck AA revealed the new angled lie flat business class seat along with the business class cabin modifications. The difference between the 772 Y cabin and the 763 cabin was striking. Not only were the overhead bins small but the cabin had a dark, dated, worn out feel to it. It made the flight much less enjoyable than the flight over on the 772. When I found out that AA would not modify the Y cabin I thought that was an incredibly short sighted decision. That same summer I flew to SJU and back on AA 752s which had very dated and worn out cabins even back then. The following year I had several other mishaps with AA and eventually switched my loyalty to DL which I was very impressed with. I then moved from SAT to AMA in 2008 where DL was not an option so I switched to CO and I continue to fly UA as a Premier.

I switched my loyalty from AA because I felt their overall product was inconsistent and lagged behind their competitors. I realize that it took DL time to modify their 763 fleet but when they did they updated the whole aircraft. PMUA had some dated aircraft but it seems that since the merger when they have updated aircraft they do the whole aircraft. Even then DL and UAs 752s never felt as dated as AAs. When the merger was announced I thought the new AA had turned a corner. I thought that the new management recognized the mistakes AA had made in the past and was going to do things differently. However, this decision seems like the same old AA. I could see not touching the 763s that fly lower yielding routes. However, if AA is going to go to modify them with a premium business class product they should modify the whole plane. I flew on a UA 764 IAD-MUC in June of 2013. The difference that the refreshed overhead bins make is striking. I actually preferred it to the CO 772s I have flown on.

Bottom line: AA has alot of potential. I hope the new AA management can return AA to what it used to be. This looks like a step in the wrong direction.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 68, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 68):
if AA is going to go to modify them with a premium business class product they should modify the whole plane.

I would agree - IF they were planning on keeping them around for 7 or more years. But since they're not, I can see why they aren't doing real upgrades in the Y cabin on these.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11974 posts, RR: 62
Reply 69, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 68):
When I found out that AA would not modify the Y cabin I thought that was an incredibly short sighted decision.

It was a short sighted decision, I agree, as at that time those 767s still had another decade or more of flying left in them.

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 68):
Even then DL and UAs 752s never felt as dated as AAs.

I'm not so sure. I'll give you Delta's 757s, but I've been on United 757s that didn't look any nice - and indeed much worse - than most of the AA 757s I've been on. In particular, the subfleet of 20 AA 757s that fly longhaul look nice inside.

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 68):
When the merger was announced I thought the new AA had turned a corner. I thought that the new management recognized the mistakes AA had made in the past and was going to do things differently. However, this decision seems like the same old AA.

It's not about "new AA" or "same old AA." It's as simple as net present value. AA - new or "same old" - has obviously concluded that the discounted present value of the future incremental revenue that could be generated from nicer cabins on these 763s will not cover the present value of the cost of the upgrade. Given the apparently-short remaining service life of these jets, I suspect that calculus is right. It's hard to earn back what probably amounts to several million per jet in cost if the plane is only going to be flying for another five years. Not to mention, especially in Y, it's doubtful AA would really be able to generate all that much incremental revenue from more substantial upgrades. Put another way: is AA going to be able to charge more for seats on the 763s as a result of having a nicer cabin? On a sustained, broad basis, I suspect the answer is clearly no.

What Delta has done to its 763s is quite nice, but Delta also apparently plans on keeping those 763s, in larger numbers, for longer than AA.

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 68):
I could see not touching the 763s that fly lower yielding routes. However, if AA is going to go to modify them with a premium business class product they should modify the whole plane.
Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 68):
Bottom line: AA has alot of potential. I hope the new AA management can return AA to what it used to be. This looks like a step in the wrong direction.

Again - it's a business decision. If the extra cost is never going to be recouped in the form of extra revenue - especially in Y, and especially over the relatively short time horizon apparently in question here - then why spend the money? Besides, this going to become less and less of an issue anyway, since the proportion of AA's longhaul fleet made up of 763s is going to be getting progressively smaller in the next few years as more 777s, 787s and A350s arrive - all with more modern amenities.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 69):
I would agree - IF they were planning on keeping them around for 7 or more years. But since they're not, I can see why they aren't doing real upgrades in the Y cabin on these.

  

The time to have spent serious cash investing in upgrading the 763s was a decade ago when they ripped out F and standardized the fleet on a single configuration. At that time, with those jets still having well over 10 years of flying life left in them, it would have been more financially justifiable to make some of the same upgrades Delta is now making. Unfortunately, at that time, AA didn't have the money to spend. And again, either way, the point is now largely moot, as these jets will be leaving progressively over the coming years, anyway.


User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 70, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
More than half the 763 fleet will be gone in about 3-years, so only ~25 frames will get the upgrade. These 25 frames though will only be around for about 5-years themselves.

This is a change from the previous fleet plan announced last year, where 763 a/c were in the fleet at least through 2020. Since AA is not going to update the a/c any further, the quicker the 763 goes the better. We all know the product is already woefully outdated -- by at least a decade and a half (in the main cabin anyway). Another five years of this is simply unacceptable. Had AA made the investment when they should have, they wouldn't be in this situation now.

Quoting AMALH747430 (Reply 68):
I thought that the new management recognized the mistakes AA had made in the past and was going to do things differently. However, this decision seems like the same old AA.

It was the previous AA management team who came up with this (yet again) half-assed idea. The new team hasn't been in place long enough to change it, but I'm not sure the US team would have done any better owing to the complete lack of IFE on their A32X a/c, especially since those a/c used to have IFE.

It still boggles the mind the new A32Xs/738s arriving at AA have nose to tail AVOD, and yet the 763, flying 10+ hour routes, doesn't. New AA? Not so much.



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33285 posts, RR: 71
Reply 71, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 70):
In particular, the subfleet of 20 AA 757s that fly longhaul look nice inside.

So does almost the entire AA 757 fleet - very few are left with the old interior, most have the new interior that the 75Ls have, only difference being the seats up front.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20347 posts, RR: 59
Reply 72, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

Looks as if the center overhead bins are going to be omitted in this Boeing Signature overhead. Makes sense. Two side bins per row with 4 pax per row should be plenty, especially since the seats have some storage space, as well.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 73, posted (9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 72):
So does almost the entire AA 757 fleet - very few are left with the old interior, most have the new interior that the 75Ls have, only difference being the seats up front.

Yeah, are they any Eisenhower interiors still flying?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 73):
Looks as if the center overhead bins are going to be omitted in this Boeing Signature overhead. Makes sense. Two side bins per row with 4 pax per row should be plenty, especially since the seats have some storage space, as well.

Ooof. Its always a bad idea to dump the center overheads.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20347 posts, RR: 59
Reply 74, posted (9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 73):
Ooof. Its always a bad idea to dump the center overheads.

Why? If there is already plenty of storage, why carry the extra weight?


User currently offlineAMALH747430 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

I don't recall the 777 style center overhead bins hanging down very low when they were closed on the UA 764s I have been on. However, from what I remember all AA 763s have the 777 style bins at least through the forward Y cabin. Does this mean they will remove them when the new seats are installed? It would seem to be a wast of money to remove them if they are already there and do not obstruct much when they are closed???

User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 76, posted (9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

"Other elements of the Boeing 767-300ER retrofit project include the installation of new LCD drop-down monitors, new digital audio systems, refreshed lavatories, and new seat covers and cushions in the Main Cabin.

Every passenger in the Business Class cabin on American’s retrofitted Boeing 767-300ERs has direct aisle access.

Each retrofitted 767-300ER will also be outfitted with international Wi-Fi; in-seat entertainment; and Main Cabin Extra seating, which provides more legroom for economy-class passengers willing to pay a premium over economy-class prices."



Guys, the plane is on the way out!!! They're doing a lot to improve the product in all cabins.. just Biz gets the most attention and well, is the appropriate place to spend money on a cabin refit when the plane is already on a phase out plan.

If you didn't notice, yeah, it won't get AVOD... but the entire Main Cabin is getting new LCD screens, new audio, refurb. lavs, new seat covers, AND will have International Wi-Fi... so no, you won't get a personal TV... You still will get Wi-Fi! Sheesh... and it's a plane that is going to be relinquished to second tier cities as it's moved out of service.... Cut American some slack! I think this is an amazing product and in line with a lot of good changes AA is making.... especially in light it isn't flying much longer. The alternative and smart financial book choice would have been to do nothing at all.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 77, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 72):
Looks as if the center overhead bins are going to be omitted in this Boeing Signature overhead. Makes sense. Two side bins per row with 4 pax per row should be plenty, especially since the seats have some storage space, as well.

There won't be any changes to the overhead bins in this refurb. The centerline bins on the 763 in J-class will remain, however useless they are.  



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User currently offlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):
Goal (in 5-years) is to have consistent all flat bed international premium product, and AVOD in the back.

Ouch. All flat bed international....5 years down the road? UA is there now, and DL is almost there. Five years is a long time to play angled bed roulette.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 79, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 76):
If you didn't notice, yeah, it won't get AVOD... but the entire Main Cabin is getting new LCD screens, new audio, refurb. lavs, new seat covers, AND will have International Wi-Fi... so no, you won't get a personal TV... You still will get Wi-Fi! Sheesh... and it's a plane that is going to be relinquished to second tier cities as it's moved out of service.... Cut American some slack!

Will they be putting power outlets in the Main Cabin? The Wi-Fi isn't of much use if the personal electronic device is dead.


User currently offlinejoepatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (9 months 21 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

We got a notification on the printer today about an aircraft "reconfiguration" notice this afternoon. Looks like N350 will be the first one to get the new seats. Whats somewhat confusing is in this notice it stated that the new configuration will be 32F 177Y which is not what the original plan was in this article. Perhaps the notice was a typo? Not sure, should be in JETSA tomorrow.

User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 627 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (9 months 20 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

I've always liked the 767 - even in Y you're never more than a seat from the aisle. Wide enough but not "dreaded middle seat" wide. No doubt these birds will be plying Hawaii routes and the like - which really - I'm looking forward to hopefully scoring an upgrade or two. Y will continue to suck, but what can you do.

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