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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 155096 times:
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Continuation of the discussion regarding MH370 flight, operated by a Boeing 777-200ER, declared missing enroute KUL-PEK.

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MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)




Part 1 will be closed now that reaches around 250 posts.


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User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 983 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 155432 times:
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Already on Wiki..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370



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User currently offlineturjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 155264 times:

How likely is mid air collision?!? I mean the ac was supposed to be close to Vietnam. Anyone know anything about Vietnam ATC?

User currently offlinewxmeddler From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 154822 times:

CIMSS is a satellight aggregate out of Wisconsin, they just put out these two images / gifs of weather conditions in the area:

Infrared:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog.../03/140307_coms1_ir_mh370_anim.gif

Water Vapor:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog.../03/140307_coms1_wv_mh370_anim.gif


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 154744 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 2):

How likely is mid air collision?!? I mean the ac was supposed to be close to Vietnam. Anyone know anything about Vietnam ATC?

I would say very unlikely. Would have been reported by now


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 154144 times:

The best possible outcome at this point is that the airplane ditched and that at least some survivors are floating around on rafts.

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 154183 times:

Regarding the terrorism aspect ... it seems unlikely that Uyghurs would have targeted a MH aircraft, as Malaysia is an Islamic state. One of the Chinese airlines would have been a more likely target.


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User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 153540 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 2):
How likely is mid air collision?!?

Current information indicates that the incident occurred while the airplane was at FL350. There have been no reports of other airliners or of military aircraft in the area having problems.


User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 153522 times:

I posted this in the other thread, but its locked now, I was asking whether or not MH would receive ACARS messages like AF did when the A330 hit the water?

User currently offlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 153500 times:

Apparently, the ELTs are not transmitting or it would have been reported already. It looks very bad.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 152870 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 2):
How likely is mid air collision?!?

Not very. If it were with another plane, we'd know about it because either that plane would have survived to tell the tale, or we'd be talking about two missing planes in the same area. If it were with a bird (which is incredibly unlikely that that altitude, but there are birds that have been known to fly that high), it wouldn't have been enough to take down the airplane.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 152888 times:

CCTV is reporting that Vietnam has detected the missing planes "signal".


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 152875 times:
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Breakdown of Citizenship

1. China - 152 + 1 Child
2. Malaysia - 38
3. Indonesia - 12
4. Australia - 7
5. France - 3
6. USA - 3 + 1 child
7. New Zealand - 2
8. Ukraine - 2
9. Canada - 2
10. Russia - 1
11. Italy - 1
12. Taiwan - 1
13. Holland - 1
14. Austria - 1



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User currently offlineantskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 152859 times:

MH370 code-shared with China Southern CZ448, who provided most of the passengers. Beijing Airport is a very sad place at the moment. Must be hell for those waiting there.

[Edited 2014-03-07 19:46:22]

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8996 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 152875 times:

Normally heading out of KL on that route you are kept low as the outbound track crosses the busy Singapore inbound routes and the Bangkok Singapore route. You go from KL control to a Singapore radar on VHF, them as you get further out transfer to Singapore on datalink. Then transfer to Vietnam on datalink, often after transfer from Singapore to Vietnam you are initially out of VHF range.

They should have a good idea of the location.



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User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 983 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 152211 times:
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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1575 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 151578 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Not very. If it were with another plane, we'd know about it because either that plane would have survived to tell the tale, or we'd be talking about two missing planes in the same area. If it were with a bird (which is incredibly unlikely that that altitude, but there are birds that have been known to fly that high), it wouldn't have been enough to take down the airplane.

-Mir

Unless it was a military plane, still unlikely but the South China sea has a lot of activity and competing claims at the moment.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 150864 times:

As to a mid-air collision, especially at 35,000 ft would also mean a second aircraft that is lost or has come up at some airport (ie: the bizjet that clipped a GOL airliner, the bizjet landed at a military airport, the Gol broke up and all lost on the Gol one). As far as we know now, that hasn't happened. Of course one can make all kinds of extreme speculation like as to a wayward Missile hit is (one theory on TWA 800's loss).

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 150847 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 9):
I was asking whether or not MH would receive ACARS messages like AF did when the A330 hit the water?

If they had the equipment to. That sort of thing isn't standard - it's a service that the airline has the option to set up and pay for.

However, it should be pointed out that ACARS is only useful if you can't find the FDR, as the FDR provides far more data to investigators. Once the FDR is recovered (which shouldn't be nearly as hard as AF447's was, as it's either on land or in water that isn't that deep), it'll give investigators plenty of information to work with.

-Mir



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User currently onlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3507 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 150222 times:

By "signal" they most likely mean ELT. The ELT does not activate unless a crash is detected or the pilot's manually enable it. That's not very good news but at least they have something to go on when it comes to locating the plane.


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User currently offlinemanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 148900 times:

Vietnamese authorities have detected the plane's transmitter around 120 nautical miles (138 miles) southwest of Cape Ca Mau (Vietnam's southernmost point), in the middle of the ocean.

http://translate.google.com/translat...mui-ca-mau-120-hai-ly-2960870.html


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 147397 times:
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User currently offlineCALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 998 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 147588 times:

I'm sure this will be lost in the post after post of people. Heck, maybe someone already shared.

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571

The aircraft had major damage history. Might be a good place to start a investigation.


User currently offlineairplanedaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 147616 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 21):
By "signal" they most likely mean ELT. The ELT does not activate unless a crash is detected or the pilot's manually enable it. That's not very good news but at least they have something to go on when it comes to locating the plane.

In the US, I don't think commercial airliners don't need ELT's. I am a student at an aviation university in the US and that was covered in my Aviation Regulations class. This may not be true elsewhere in the world though. They may be mentioning the pingers on the black boxes though, if it crashed in water.


User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 147596 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
If they had the equipment to. That sort of thing isn't standard - it's a service that the airline has the option to set up and pay for.

However, it should be pointed out that ACARS is only useful if you can't find the FDR, as the FDR provides far more data to investigators. Once the FDR is recovered (which shouldn't be nearly as hard as AF447's was, as it's either on land or in water that isn't that deep), it'll give investigators plenty of information to work with.

Thanks Mir, it makes sense and hopefully there is some news very soon. It could be anything with such few details and information.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 21):

By "signal" they most likely mean ELT. The ELT does not activate unless a crash is detected or the pilot's manually enable it. That's not very good news but at least they have something to go on when it comes to locating the plane.

Thats not good news then, was hoping the aircraft landed in some forgotten airfield or something, but one could only hope and pray.


25 Post contains links JOYA380B747 : From the link below, there are claims as to an incident with this particular aircraft in August '12 http://www.smh.com.au/world/seven-au...e-goes-miss
26 kiwiinoz : They are not that far off land. I would have thought the Vietnamese could send out a couple of choppers to take a look rather than just the rescue boa
27 Post contains links Viscount724 : That report has been denied. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...sing-vietnam-idUSL3N0M505Z20140308
28 flymia : Odd that they got no messages at all. Hoping for the best but at this point any positive outcome is such a small chance right now. Hope they can find
29 celestar : I have a strong suspicion that this is an act of terrorist. Remember what just happened at Kunming Malaysia had few enemies but remember there are 153
30 Finn350 : Even if a wing tip would be torn off mid-flight, it should not cause a catastrophic failure.
31 spacecadet : People said the same about AF447... And now other people are saying this incident reminds them of AF447... both theories are statistically likely to
32 hivue : They may have sent helicopters. There may not be much to see and what there is may be hard to spot.
33 Post contains links Ab345 : On this link you can see the damage the plane suffered from the previous incident with the A346 http://pic.feeyo.com/posts/569/5691311.html#5691316
34 JHwk : Sounds like it is near the Perhentians (Malaysia), closer than Vietnam
35 flymia : Certainly possible. Unless an organization takes responsibility may takes months or even over a year to find out.
36 Mir : I'm sure that will get a lot of press, but I don't believe it to be significant. Airplanes get damaged all the time, and they're able to be repaired
37 casinterest : Guess we will wait to see what the details are. If the plane's transmitter has been detected, do we know if it was on the surface or whether they alr
38 Newark727 : So we're sure now that this is 9M-MRO? Haven't been keeping up completely, but all we had on the registration earlier seemed a bit "best guess" from o
39 silentbob : They usually don't wait very long to claim responsibility
40 SWALUV : Would the damage the aircraft received in the ground collision cause significant stress on the remainder of the wing and begin to cause cracking?
41 N867DA : It took seven years after botched repair to the aft bulkhead to bring down JAL 123 in 1985.We don't know what the condition of the MH777 is right now,
42 Miami : Signal has been detected of 9M-MRO A Vietnamese official of search and rescue said Saturday that the signal of the missing Malaysia Airlines 777 has b
43 Post contains links Starlionblue : This would have been checked pre- and post-repair. Besides, aircraft components are designed and built not to fail due to failure of another part. Ch
44 Post contains links LTC8K6 : Again, the report of a signal has been denied. It also doesn't seem to make sense given where flightradar data ends, http://www.reuters.com/article/20
45 Post contains links apfpilot : Pic of the damage, doesn't look toooo bad. http://cdn.feeyo.com/pic/20120810/201208100951017177.jpg
46 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370 This was linked earlier. If that is the flight, then data was lost over land and early.
47 Kaphias : This kind of data loss occurs often with international flights on FlightAware and therefore it cannot be considered to be a reliable source in this c
48 hivue : That doesn't look like 2 hours worth of flying. An earlier link to an avherald note said that communication was lost over the Gulf of Thailand.
49 Post contains links AirCalSNA : FWIW the NY Times most emailed news report concerns the apparently politically motivated criminal conviction of the Malaysian government most threaten
50 LTC8K6 : When you look at the other flights, we only have data loss over China. Are these tracks accurate, or have they simply been assumed?
51 holzmann : Let's assume the first rule of a hijacking is to turn off the transponder. You could still see the AC on radar but it would not be immediately identif
52 Post contains images Miami : China has sent 2 ships for search and rescue operations in South China Sea. Keep on praying! At this point, sadly. Survival rate should be low. If thi
53 Post contains links Starlionblue : Other flights where? FlightRadar24 and FlightAware "lose" planes all the time simply because radar coverage (and automated position report upload I s
54 tonytifao : What countries have started the search?
55 Post contains images EK413 : I really am praying the aircraft is found with survivors onboard My thoughts and prayers to all. R.I.P. EK413
56 dirktraveller : First of all, all my thoughts and prayers goes with those aboard and their families. I'm not speculating on any causes on why the aircraft goes missin
57 Starlionblue : Not necessarily viewable. You'd need primary radar for that and you might not have coverage over the ocean. The main point of transponders is to make
58 Post contains images KLAXAirport : Thoughts and prayers to all those on board and the family of those effected by this tragedy. RIP. KLAXAirport [Edited 2014-03-07 20:40:29]
59 nutsaboutplanes : Watching the play-back and seeing the return for 370 disappear is heartbreaking.
60 Starlionblue : Presumably Malaysia and Vietnam Indeed. Unfortunately I can't get it to slow from 12x so I can't see what happens in the last moments. It goes from cr
61 LTC8K6 : The previous Malaysian flights on the route. Their tracks are uninterrupted until they reach China. I was wondering about the difference with this fl
62 flymia : It is not easy. During 9/11 they had a very hard time finding some of the airplanes high jacked which transponders were turned off.
63 Post contains images holzmann : Thanks. If we assume from the FlightAware map that signal was lost around coordinates 5°32'07.2"N 102°11'39.3"E and we assume the 5000km radius, th
64 Starlionblue : Based on what we know, the data seems to indicate the transponder stopped functioning over the ocean between Malaysia and Vietnam. Other flights were
65 rj777 : I just hope that if it did go down, it went down over land.
66 kiwiinoz : Apparently another press conference from MH about to happen.
67 hivue : 12x means each minute is represented by 5 seconds. It looks to me (from flightradar24 anyway) that contact with it was lost at high altitude.
68 mingocr83 : EDIT THIS CAME JUST FEW SECS AGO Yahoo singapore reports Vietnam media quote Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat saying military radar recorded #MH370 crashing
69 Starlionblue : We can probably assume that the FlightAware position is inaccurate since FlightRadar24 has good data for a much longer distance and it is known the f
70 Airvan00 : If it did go down over land, I think there would be reports by now.
71 PITrules : The thing is, right or wrong this website has actually become a pretty common 'go-to' source for the media when events like this first break. For tha
72 Post contains links manny : Again not sure if this is indeed accurate. Vietnamese Navy has confirmed plane crashed into sea. http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-ai
73 Post contains images KBUF : The Vietnamese Navy has, sadly, confirmed that the plane crashed into the ocean.
74 Post contains links aussie18 : http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html This has just been posted.
75 Post contains links illinicmi : Apparently Vietnamese media reporting their navy has confirmed it crashed into the sea. Take it as you will. http://sg.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ss
76 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietn
77 kiwiinoz : But it's then their job, (the media) to qualify what they report. It's certainly not our job. MH just held their press conference but as far as I cou
78 Post contains links JOshu : News sources now reporting it crashed into the sea: Link: http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html
79 richierich : Agreed. As I write this, the only similarity is that the MH aircraft is missing just as AF's was - until it was found! Not good.
80 ChaosTheory : Which high altitude airways is the flight likely to use?
81 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://tuoitrenews.vn/society/18157/...e-has-not-entered-vn-airspace-caav The Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijin
82 LTC8K6 : Well, we didn't want to hear that. Now we have a mystery to think about. My condolences to the families.[Edited 2014-03-07 21:06:46]
83 SQ452 : This is starting to feel eerily reminiscent of the AF447 crash off Brazil. Hoping for the best and a positive outcome but it is unfortunately not look
84 holzmann : Yes but AF447 flew into one heck of a storm. I think the weather at least appeared clear in this case.
85 damirc : Odd. The point 153 miles south of Pho Quoc is 360 miles from KUL. 2 hours flight time does not really fit ... D.
86 stackhouse007 : Well since its confirmed to have crashed into the sea and they have sent rescue boats towards that location, how long will it take them to reach that
87 illinicmi : I thought this as well. Seems like one piece of info is wrong. We'll know which soon enough.
88 757223 : It looks to me as if the reported location is in the vicinity of where FlightRadar24 stopped showing a return. Since this type of website uses ACARS d
89 turjo101 : timeline does not make sense... Should the plane not have been past the Gulf of Thailand- if in flight for 2 hours out of KUL?!?
90 dirktraveller : Taking into account that statement by the Vietnamese navy is correct, who would be leading the investigation into this accident? Will it be the Vietn
91 BoeingVista : Not really no. Yup, this does not fot the information already released.
92 Tigerguy : Any reports of floating debris yet, or has it just been the military radar data so far?
93 LTC8K6 : We have 153 miles off of Tho Chu. and 153 miles South of Pho Quoc. Reported so far.
94 spacecadet : It flew into a storm that caused high altitude pitot tube icing, which was the start of the incident. Doesn't seem like that would be a factor here.
95 LTC8K6 : Must be 153 miles south of Phu Quoc and near Tho Chu?[Edited 2014-03-07 21:21:12]
96 hivue : However, the reports also say: That looks like more than 400 miles from KUL to me. Also north of where the flightradar24 information ceases.
97 laxboeingman : How would they know that? It seems like - from the GIF - that there was some moisture, but that shouldn't have made it crash. Could there have possib
98 Post contains images KBUF : Emergency message sent to all vessels in the area:
99 TwoFourLeft : In just playing around with the ruler in Google Earth, if you were to draw a straight line from Kuala Lumpur to Phnom Penh, it looks like the crash si
100 Post contains images KELPkid : That is really not very major damage...of course, a poorly executed repair (like Japan Airlines 123) can change the game, though. I hope that the acc
101 PHX787 : This is so sad. I'm getting multiple reports quoting the Vietnamese navy apparently finding the crashed plane.
102 Post contains links thenoflyzone : Two China Airlines aircraft just did 360 turns over South China sea, just east of Da Nang, Vietnam, where the aircraft might have gone down. Maybe pic
103 holzmann : So what is the status of this AC pitot tubes being heated? These had not been installed on AF447.
104 LTC8K6 : The earlier report of an ELT was 120 miles SW of cape Ca Mau. That is a rough match for 153 miles south of Phu Quoc, I think.
105 BoeingVista : It flew into an area of icing, it never reached the storm.
106 Post contains links laxboeingman : http://my.news.yahoo.com/malaysian-a...-flight-live-report-050312770.html AFP via Yahoo - timeline of events. "05:13 GMT - Never appeared - A Vietnam
107 hivue : All commercial aircraft pitot tubes are heated.
108 kaitak : If it crashed into the sea, it would have disintegrated on impact (if it was still in one piece, which of course we don't know); debris and bodies wo
109 Post contains links damirc : Add TG610 to the list of looping planes: http://www.flightradar24.com/TG610/2d914b4 D.
110 LTC8K6 : Doesn't appear to be anywhere near the reported crash area.
111 laxboeingman : Thank you, good to know. How do we know that to be the case?
112 Post contains links turjo101 : http://www.flightradar24.com/CAL834/2d91525 another one is in process of doing another loop.
113 airplanedaj : Unfortunately, these planes are on the wrong side of Vietnam to be circling over the crash site, which is about 120-150 miles off the SW coast of Vie
114 stackhouse007 : All 3 of these posted links to planes circling are in completely different places and the TG610 circling was over land..
115 PITrules : I agree - when it comes to reporting facts. But before the facts roll in it is natural to bring in experts for their opinion. That's what CNN did by
116 turjo101 : There maybe something we don't know...Otherwise why are all these aircrafts doing loops?
117 Finn350 : If the news report is accurate, the crash location was established from a miltary radar. If the ELTs (Emergency Locator Transmitters) had been activa
118 thenoflyzone : Reports on CBC here in Canada was that the crash site might be on the East coast of Vietnam, in the South China Sea, which concurs with a 2+ hour fli
119 laxboeingman : Is the thought it crashed South-Southewest of Vietnam or South-Southeast of Vietnam?
120 turjo101 : Actually is there even any point to doing these loops...would they be able to see anything from 33-37000 ft up?
121 Reffado : In clear skies, you can see odd colored points (floating debris) in the ocean.
122 timpdx : Just tuned into this story, so sorry to hear about the apparent loss of so many souls. RIP. At cruise altitude with no crew communication? Different t
123 JBirdAV8r : While it might be hard to detect debris specifically, a fuel sheen might be visible. And it's better than nothing. My prayers and thoughts are with e
124 AustinALlison : The reason they are looping is to search for wreckage in different spots. Cover more area, ya know.
125 TwoFourLeft : I am very confused. News is saying that it was south of the Vietnamese coast. So what is with the other planes circling over the South China Sea? Not
126 Post contains links adityashankar : Hey guys, It's bad news.... http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/...sia-airlines-flight-mh370-missing/ Quote of the headline: "UPDATED: Malaysia Airlin
127 Post contains links laxboeingman : Now three planes near one another flying east in South China Sea. I am not sure why they were looping in that area based on discussions earlier in th
128 LTC8K6 : So far the reports seem to have it near Tho Chu island in the Gulf of Thailand, but nothing has been confirmed. One would think if it had crossed over
129 Post contains links laxboeingman : "05:25 GMT - Airline CEO's statement - Malaysian Airlines is running a statement given by Group CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya on its Facebook site, in which
130 turjo101 : If this is so...they should also get planes over the Gulf of Thailand doing loops... CX634 is approaching the area of last contact as are AK1035
131 Airvan00 : They are not related. As mentioned above aircraft need to loose time when transitting from a radar type environment to a procedural type enviorment.
132 airportugal310 : Reply 119 probably eludes best as to why they were circling...establish spacing
133 Post contains links and images ZKOJH : just reading the press release from Malaysian airlines - ''The flight was piloted by Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a Malaysian aged 53. He has a total f
134 hivue : See thenoflyzone's post 119 above.
135 LTC8K6 : The various reports are quite confusing...
136 Post contains links and images Reffado : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370 Christ, you guys are fast.
137 Post contains links LTC8K6 : I recall during research on the 787 ELT incident, that not all ELTs transmit GPS info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergen...cator_Transmitter#Beaco
138 laxboeingman : I saw, thanks. I was waiting to find out that information. I was wondering if the captain did not have a lot of experience, but this proves the oppos
139 FlyingSicilian : Someone posted pictures of the flight manifest with all names on Facebook over an hour ago... Thoughts and prayers to all involved in this. Still hop
140 laxboeingman : And...call this speculation, which it is, but I find it very hard to believe it was caused by an error in speed in which it suddenly fell out of the
141 TwoFourLeft : WAAAAAAAAY too early to be making statements like that. We have absolutely no idea what took place that led to this accident.
142 Post contains links Airvan00 : Newer ELB's (406 MHz ) transmitt location information. I would expect that all airworthiness authorities now require that the latest style of beacons
143 Finn350 : No, but I am pretty confident that the 777 ELTs are GPS-capable.
144 Post contains links 747megatop : Vietnamese Navy has confirmed MH370 crashed off Vietnam coast - http://www.thanhniennews.com/society...etnam-sea-navy-official-24480.html http://my.ne
145 ChaosTheory : The B777 has three heated pitots: left, centre and right. The primary flight display is not affected by a single pitot probe heat failure.
146 KFlyer : Do we have really clarified the location where the a/c went missing? As per FR24 data, this would be around 40 mins from KUL, likely somewhere near wa
147 Post contains links laxboeingman : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...200-had-uneventful-history-396793/ Here is a link to a story about the e/q and its history.
148 SQ452 : Yes you would be correct in saying that this would be the first "mass casualty" incident for this aircraft. The only other 777 incident with fataliti
149 tonytifao : How is the location of the crash identified? Beacon data or actual visual sing of debris?
150 LTC8K6 : I believe it was reported as radar data from a military base.
151 Post contains links Starlionblue : To quote Gonzalo's excellent post from a few years ago from: TK B738 Crash At Amsterdam - Part 5 (by WILCO737 Feb 25 2009 in Civil Aviation) Quoting
152 KC135Hydraulics : I'm sure that it has. Most systems will eventually fail for any reason after a given amount of time. The difference is, I doubt we'll find an inciden
153 laxboeingman : I was just thinking that unfortunately, something must have gone very, very bad must have happened because 777s don't just fall out of the sky like t
154 Starlionblue : Pitot systems do fail from time to time but two things are worth remembering in context: - There are at least three independent air data systems on l
155 9V-SPJ : Flightradar24 uses ADS-B data which is the most "real-time" position of the aircraft since aircraft state data is reported by the aircraft itself, and
156 flyingbird : https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/442171910361976832 #MH370 disappeared from radar after 40 minutes and not 2 hours as media has been reportin
157 laxboeingman : Do we know if the e/q squawked something unusual?
158 Post contains images flood : A lot of conflicting reports, but the last transponder position as reported by FR24 (pin) is only roughly 60 miles (yellow line) from the location as
159 Post contains links laxboeingman : Live: @HishammuddinH2O on #MH370 Incident - confirms the Malaysia has activated all its agencies to work together on the S&R rescue mission— Mal
160 Bruce : I realize its speculation but I'm going to put this out there. I think it was sabotage. The plane simply vanished during a level and routine part of t
161 UA787DEN : It didn't, which is inreresting.
162 757223 : I saw another report that said 153 NM South of Tho Chu Island, which is even closer to your yellow pin, flood.
163 Post contains links kl692 : Malaysia Airlines plane crashes in South China Sea with 239 people aboard: report http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...lines-flight-idUSBREA27017201
164 Post contains links laxboeingman : "06:26 GMT - Ships sent - Faridah Shuib, a spokeswoman for the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency says Malaysian authorities have dispatched a plan
165 amwest2united : Gulf of Thailand is on average 148ft deep, max is 260ft, should make it much easier to find the black boxes
166 KFlyer : MH press conference just confirmed the last known location as being closer to the area reported by flightradar24.
167 hb88 : The only quasi reliable information I can see in all the reports is the position and the report that the a/c lost height rapidly and changed track fro
168 UA787DEN : The Gulf of Thailand has a maximum depth of only 260 ft/80 m so it shouldn't be as hard to find as AF 447. The suspected crash site is somewhere in t
169 ryu2 : Some of these things don't line up. MAS said they lost contact with Subang (guessing they mean Lumpur) Control 2 hours after takeoff. At that time, th
170 Post contains links haynflyer : 9:02PM: Vietnamese Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat confirms MH370 has crashed into the Gulf of Thailand 153 miles off of Thu Cho Island. Source: http://webc
171 UA787DEN : MAS said in their most recent conference that the site of lost contact is near the one given by flightradar24. So...if you discount the whole 2 hour
172 trent1000 : I flew through nearby airspace Friday about 10-11 am local time on an A380 and we were all firmly strapped in from turbulence for at least 45 mins. Th
173 Starlionblue : I'm pretty sure it is Subang Control Area. That depends on the exact track. Flights can spend a lot of time getting "on course" while climbing out du
174 poolkeeper : I don't doubt they will locate the crash site rapidly. AF447 crashed outside radar/radio coverage and they had to search a huge area with great depths
175 Post contains links DIRECTFLT : Here is link to the NOAA depth chart for the Gulf of Thailand (Chart 93010) http://www.charts.noaa.gov/NGAViewer/93010.shtml
176 airportugal310 : It doesn't seem to work on my iPad. What is the depth in and around the area that we are talking about?
177 DIRECTFLT : 55-67 Meters The Page says Adobe Flash Player required to view the chart[Edited 2014-03-07 23:08:07][Edited 2014-03-07 23:09:48]
178 7BOEING7 : Define "a lot", shouldn't be more than 10 minutes in the worst case. Flight profile to altitude/position is very similar to prior flights. And it wil
179 trex8 : No distress signal so bomb or sudden catastrophic structural failure or another MH 124 flight control anomaly but this time it really stalled unlike i
180 SQ452 : No idea. It's almost unheard of for a plane to just drop from the sky though. I imagine they will be found. The Gulf of Thailand is relatively shallo
181 zeke : KL radar control to Singapore radar, Singapore area, then Vietnam.
182 SQ452 : My gut tells me this is where the focus of the rescue mission should be concentrated. I'm not sure about the accuracy of the Vietnamese Navy reports
183 Post contains images pvjin : What a horrible news, just woke up and saw this. I hope there are survivors but this looks bad...
184 NZ747 : Very sad news. It does seem the search and rescue effort took a long time to initiate. Seems like MAS were planning for the best and not the worse, re
185 Aesma : Wow I'm just learning about this, it's terrible !
186 vegas005 : Shocking to me it took so long to organize search and rescue. Prayers to everyone involved.
187 Post contains links vegas005 : From flightradar24 post on a Facebook: A Boeing 777 from Malaysia Airlines has been missing between Malaysia and Vietnam for about 12 hours. Flight
188 fiscal : Wasn't that due to some tape over the pitot? If I remember Perth Control assisted them to land safely back in Perth.
189 trex8 : MH don't have any SAR resources. The governments do. While one would hope an airline always knows where it's planes are they are dependent on ATC / r
190 Starlionblue : CVR plus DFDR plus at least one ELT should all be pinging if I'm not mistaken. You are indeed correct. 2 hours seems to be a red herring. Thanks zeke
191 Post contains links trex8 : No it was a software anomaly supposedly fixed http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,18592321-23349,00.html
192 Mir : No, that was a straight software glitch that allowed a failed attitude sensor to go unnoticed, and then to be used as a source of data when another a
193 Starlionblue : Maybe not the "most robust" in the world but I think you're underestimating the resources available in the area. You have Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia
194 Post contains images DALFA : My goodness...Just woke up with this news. This must be the first 777 crash (besides the BA and OZ accidents) with so many fatalities
195 Post contains links airportugal310 : Interesting tidbit from Flightglobal... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...200-had-uneventful-history-396793/ Says the aircraft had an uneventful
196 pilotaydin : If this is not suicide then we will learn very new things that need to be amended in training syllabus forms... I wrote my thesis on automation learni
197 LO231 : OMG, I didnt read previous posts, hope they are ok and well...
198 Starlionblue : Seems unlikely. And while it is a chore to read through 400+ posts, skimming them at least perhaps...[Edited 2014-03-08 00:17:02]
199 YYZatcboy : Do you have this online anywhere? Sounds like it would be fascinating reading.
200 LTC8K6 : I agree with FG. I think the wingtip incident was minor and will play no part in this crash.
201 pilotaydin : I can get you a version but I would have to take out the names of airlines because I promised them the data collected would be used for education onl
202 YYZatcboy : I don't mind in the slightest. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who would be interested as well. If you prefer though you can use my a.net email or
203 DALFA : Exactly, doesn't seem like something that would cause a major decompression or anything like that.
204 CanInelli : pilotaydın, I would also love to read your thesis on "automation learning methods and failure training", would be glad if you can somehow upload or
205 airportugal310 : I don't think so either, but that's not the point
206 2008matt : Was the aircraft out of radio contact at the time, or just 'lost' radio contact?
207 B747forever : Just woke up to the terrible news. I am really shocked. It will be the 2nd 777 crash with fatalities.
208 art : Tragic. May all on board RIP. If the aircraft came down in an area where the water depth is less than 100m recovery of the black boxes should be relat
209 LTC8K6 : Looks to have been well within range of many stations and listeners.
210 Prost : First of all, my thoughts and prayers for those who may have perished, and to a peaceful resolution for the family and friends of those on board. My q
211 axio : So the aircraft was within range of radio systems and transponder tracking, but did not issue any kind of mayday? Are there things that can happen to
212 AR385 : I´m watching the BBC live and the DW live and both say no one from any government, neither MH have confirmed the plane has crashed. They are still li
213 LTC8K6 : UPDATE from Twitter/NBC: Jake Lichman ‏ Vietnam admiral says plane 'could have' crashed in Malaysian waters, denies reports quoting him saying the p
214 LTC8K6 : So we now have no idea where this 777 might be? That's pretty frustrating.
215 Finn350 : Apparently there is the Vietnamese government announcement regarding military radar appearing to show the crash, but it seems that Malesia wants to i
216 vegas005 : Plane was 40 minutes into a flight and can't be found after 13+ hours?? Flightradar has the exact spot (more or less), what the heck is going on!!
217 LTC8K6 : That has apparently been retracted.
218 B747forever : It was 2 hours into the flight when contact was lost.
219 Post contains images Phen : Such terrible news to wake up to. I hope despite what we all suspect, that somehow all abroad are safe
220 Starlionblue : From the FlightRadar24 data, it seems the transponder/ADS-B data stopped. There was most likely no constant voice contact. IMHO it does not seem like
221 DALFA : Is this actually something that could be manually switched off?
222 whiplash : I checked the data on MH370 on Flight aware.. It shows the aircraft cruising at 500 something miles per hour at 35,000 and then the data just stops..
223 Starlionblue : There's no conspiracy. It's the ocean and that's a big place. There's no exact location but there is reasonable certainly of where approximately the
224 pvjin : If we look at more recent cases of a modern, state of art airliner disappearing from cruising altitude we eventually come to LAM 470... And then just
225 art : I think it is adequate to list it as missing until it is found or witnesses report it coming down. It is enough to know that the aircraft must have c
226 Mir : It is likely that such an impact would not be survivable. However, it should also be said that the odds of such an impact are incredibly small. But y
227 LTC8K6 : Then we have no idea where the plane might be. 2 hours would put it well beyond FR24's last plot.
228 LTC8K6 : That seems to have been retracted and contradicted. FR24 plot apparently ends at 40 minutes into the flight, yet officially contact was lost 80 minut
229 jc2354 : They first thought the flight was 2 hours out, and now the thought is the flight was only 40 minutes out when contact was loss? To add to the theories
230 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Flightradar have noted that this area is where they have very good coverage, and looking at this photo taken at 17 21 UTC it gives a good idea of wher
231 LTC8K6 : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiLh0L1CMAALcp-.jpg:large https://twitter.com/AdrianNCF/status/442164000197853184/photo/1 That message seems to give rough
232 Tobias2702 : As mentioned earlier, This might explain the discrepancy: The moment the flight was no longer tracked by flightradar24.com could be completely unrela
233 Coal : Well KUL to SGN is less than two hours flight, and if the flight went down between Malaysia and Vietnam in the Gulf of Thailand, then 40mins makes mu
234 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://www.fallingrain.com/waypoint/SN/IGARI.html That looks like it matches the SAR message.
235 B747forever : Who say anything about 40 minutes? So far, from what I have read, the only known thing is that contact was lost 2 hours into the flight. Also, some m
236 Post contains links and images Coal : http://my.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-ai...-plane-carrying-239-022306951.html Cheers Coal
237 Mir : Remember that Flightradar is not actually radar - the positions it generates are based on broadcasts from the aircraft themselves. There are several
238 Coal : If by "into the flight" you mean after takeoff, then the a/c would have already been over land. Cheers Coal
239 Post contains images Mortyman : This is just very sad to read about. I am hoping for a miracle, but it seems that it wont be very likely ...
240 liquidair : probability of that happening is infinitely small, but there is a chance. And one day it will happen for certain. Whether that would take out an airl
241 LTC8K6 : Why would the SAR message say to look near IGARI if that wasn't a good place to look?
242 Post contains links B747forever : Quote from: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140308-0 "The Boeing 777-2H6ER took off from Kuala Lumpur Interational Airport's runw
243 pvjin : Based on FR24 it looks like MH52 to Osaka flew over the same area where this flight disappeared just 20 minutes earlier, it didn't disappear from FR24
244 Post contains images flyingturtle : The search is going on since... about 14 hours? And still no trace found? I'm saddened and I'm shocked. And I don't believe I'll be able to work this
245 Coal : I'm just saying that after 2hrs it would already be over land. You call them and tell them they're looking in the wrong place then. Cheers Coal
246 Post contains links hodja : See "Background Story" section: http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-2 "1.22 am - The plane was meant to transfer t
247 456 : Can someone explain what 'lost contact' means? Was it during a conversation that the transmission ended all of a sudden Or that after x hrs of flight,
248 AF185 : And only 1h or 2h to go before dusk.. Let's hope they can locate the a/c by then
249 Post contains links B747forever : I am just quoting what is out there. Interestingly, the avherald has a different timeline: "was enroute at FL350 about 120nm northeast of Kota Bharu
250 Coal : This makes much more sense. Thanks. Cheers Coal
251 pvjin : I think you are might be right, the way the aircraft disappeared from FR24 at just that time, 1:22AM although other aircraft in the area were being s
252 Post contains links tozbek : Malaysian 777 registrated 9M-MRO was damaged wingtip in 2012 http://kokpit.aero/malaysian-777-9m-mro-wingtip-damage
253 horstroad : quote from avherald. not only radio contact, but also radar contact. I'm wondering why the ATC waited 18 minutes to report it missing at 17:40Z, when
254 F9Animal : I have seen a ton of questions as to why the plane has not been found yet, and some poor communications. Could it have something to do with Vietnam? I
255 pvjin : Well if it indeed disappeared 40 mins into the flight (instead of 2 hours) it would have been near Malaysian coast, far away from Vietnam. I wonder i
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