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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 123595 times:
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As part 2 is became quite long, it was locked for further contributions. Part 3 is now open for further discussion..

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 123500 times:

Well, still not a lot of new information but given the way things appear to have gone it is still early to tell. Keep praying all but the outlook is not very great.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 123233 times:

it looks like the plane has not been found yet

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...lines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140308

Malaysia's transport minister later denied any crash scene had been identified"

"Vietnamese Admiral Ngo Van Phat later qualified his earlier remarks about a crash site having been identified and told Reuters he was referring to a presumed location beneath the plane's flight path, using information supplied by Malaysia"



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 122879 times:

I am saddened that nothing has been found. With today's technology, I can't believe it. The worst part of it is, if there are survivors, the chances of surviving at sea becomes difficult after several hours.

I also worry this may have been sabotage. I have a hard time thinking a 777 would just vanish like this.  



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 122881 times:

Quoting F9Aninal; I have seen a ton of questions as to why the plane has not been found yet, and some poor communications. Could it have something to do with Vietnam? I mean, does the country have a swift response to something like this? For some reason, I just don't picture Vietnam having a world class coast guard, or a sophisticated way to do a good search and rescue. Please correct me if I am wrong. I obviously know nothing about Vietnam and the Capabilities they have to respond to a major crash.

I don't think this has anything to do with Vietnam. While most picture Vietnam as being very very poor and backward, it is in fact a country with a strongly growing economy and on its way to becoming a modern, industrialized country.

The simple truth is probably just that finding something in the ocean is tricky because oceans are large and planes are small.

Quoting 456:
Can someone explain what 'lost contact' means?
Was it during a conversation that the transmission ended all of a sudden
Or that after x hrs of flight, and when ATC wanted to contact them, they never answered that call?


In areas with radar coverage such as this one, secondary radar continuously receives transmissions from aircraft transponder/ADS-B including position, altitude, speed and other parameters. Once this stops...

Over oceanic airspace far from shore with no radar coverage, on the other hand, airliners report position at regular intervals.

[Edited 2014-03-08 02:50:10]


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User currently offlinewhiplash From India, joined Nov 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 121892 times:

I wonder how deep the water is where the plane has crashed..

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 121626 times:

Quoting whiplash (Reply 5):

Per the last thread, if its where they say it may be we are talking 65-75 ft or so

Not much



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User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 121336 times:

@whiplash: Water is not deep at all in this aerea compared to atlantic or pacific ocean - so defenetely much easier to find something compared to AF447.

What I dont understand is that why are there not whitnesses ? There are 1000s of fisherboats cruising along by night ... anyone of those must ahve seen anything.



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User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 120849 times:

The Italian citizen whose name was in the passenger list called home and he said he was not on board (and he never booked the ticket, so it's not a case of missed flight).

Apparently, he had his passport stolen several months ago.

Links of the news in Italian.

http://www.corriere.it/esteri/14_mar...-a683-11e3-bbe4-676bb1ea55e1.shtml


User currently offlinewhiplash From India, joined Nov 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 120458 times:

I doubt its as less as 75ft.. If the 777 swan dived into that shallow a water, it would disintegrate into tiny pieces and a large floating debris would have been found..

I doubt its easy to witness a relatively tiny thing like a plane and the vast ocean coming together unless u know where and when to look..

I believe this to be a repeat of the AF447 as far as the problems go.. Recovery, can't really tell..

I am really skeptical of a ditching.. its most definitely a crash.


User currently offlinedispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 120170 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
In areas with radar coverage such as this one, secondary radar continuously receives transmissions from aircraft transponder/ADS-B including position

Another thing to keep in mind is that the area where the aircraft is believed to be lost is ADS-B required airspace above FL290. I helped create the package for the US FAA OpSpec for ADS-B ops in ADS-B required airspace for my airline. The FR24 data is good data (as long as the aircraft was capable of transmitting ADS-B data) - I remember an ICAO document from a meeting in PEK in November 2012 that showed a LOT of ADS-B receiving stations in that area.

ADS-B became required in parts of SE Asia above FL290 back in December.

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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 119760 times:

Quoting whiplash (Reply 10):

No need to doubt the depth...many a source shows the depths in that area, and a post in the last thread has a nautical depth chart as well

I suggest for all newcomers to check out at least the 2nd half of Part 2 of these threads so that we aren't rehashing the same questions over and over again



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 119435 times:

Nothing found yet and it will be dark within an hour in the search area.

Still surprised how airliners can go missing like this.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 119078 times:

Quoting whiplash (Reply 10):

I doubt its as less as 75ft.. If the 777 swan dived into that shallow a water, it would disintegrate into tiny pieces and a large floating debris would have been found..

At typical airliner speeds, the surface of the water might as well be concrete. The depth is immaterial.

Quoting Lentini2001 (Reply 12):
Other than the idiot crashing the one in San Fran, I used to think these planes were invincible  

A determined pilot can crash the safest of airliners. And if it isn't the pilot, there are some reasons such as maintenance, sabotage, terrorism and so forth that will bring down even the safest of airliners.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 118709 times:

Quoting Lentini2001 (Reply 12):
Other than the idiot crashing the one in San Fran, I used to think these planes were invincible  

We dont know yet whether this crash was due to pilot error or something related to the aircraft.

A single crash doesnt change the fact that the 777 is one of the world's safest aircraft.



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User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 118033 times:

Having been watching flightradar24 for a bit, I have not whitnessed any aircraft suddenly disappear off screen in the area MH370 was lost. Too much of a coincidence to have simply gone out of coverage. As others have mentioned, there is a lot of coverage in that area and along the KUL--PEK airway that MH370 was tracking.

For anyone's interest, MH360 (A330) has left KUL for PEK and about to cross the area where MH370 disappeared. Gives good indication of the track.


User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 118065 times:

Bbc reports unconfirmed oil slick sighting by Vietnamese navy. Reported to be 20km long.

still, slick but not debris- could be coincidence.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1703 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 117002 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):
At typical airliner speeds, the surface of the water might as well be concrete.

Exactly, and salty water might just be even more. SR111 crash is a very good example to that, although the aircraft probably (don't remember if it was determined) didn't hit the surface at full speed. It even produced a small seismic tremor that was recorded at Moncton.



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User currently offlinespink From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 116617 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
Nothing found yet and it will be dark within an hour in the search area.

Still surprised how airliners can go missing like this.

Well the reality is you have an object traveling at 500+ miles per hour. We have no idea of how fast of a decent it was. But basically, ever minute of decent time is ~8-9 miles of area. We also have little idea of the direction, so add a reasonable radius to that. It quickly adds up to hundreds of Sq miles to search. If it was a catastrophic disintegration in air, the actual pieces could be rather small, and carried by currents as well.

It takes a bit of time to get all the resources to the scene as well. Best case, the search ships are 40-50nm away which can take upwards of 4 hours once they are actually out of port. Then once they get on scene they are going to be pretty slow. Even a Helicopter is pretty limited in its search capabilities if there isn't significant surface debris on the surface. If it crashed, the bulk of the plane is almost certainly underwater at the point that air resources got there. Its probably going to require boats running a grid pattern a decent while to find the wreckage.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 115275 times:

From Norwegian Air Shuttle facebook page:

" Våre tanker går i dag til alle som er berørt av hendelsen med Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, de savnede, deres pårørerende og venner. "

Translated:

" Our thoughts today for everyone affected by the incident with Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, the missing, their relatives and friends. "



My sentiments too ... 


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 114857 times:

Quoting spink (Reply 21):
Well the reality is you have an object traveling at 500+ miles per hour. We have no idea of how fast of a decent it was. But basically, ever minute of decent time is ~8-9 miles of area. We also have little idea of the direction, so add a reasonable radius to that. It quickly adds up to hundreds of Sq miles to search.

With ELT shouldnt they have an idea of where the wreckage is? Unless it was a sudden and immediate in air disintegration, shouldnt the ELT work?



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User currently offlineTsveto4nik From Azerbaijan, joined Nov 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 114940 times:

Quoting EY460 (Reply 9):
The Italian citizen whose name was in the passenger list called home and he said he was not on board (and he never booked the ticket, so it's not a case of missed flight).

Apparently, he had his passport stolen several months ago.

Very dangerous sign - if he was not on this flight, who was using his passport in this case?


User currently offlineajhYXE From Canada, joined May 2011, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 114855 times:

How much damage could an uncontained engine failure cause in a worst-case scenario (i.e. worse than UA232 or QF32)? Does it have potential to bring down an aircraft with little or no opportunity to recover?

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
Nothing found yet and it will be dark within an hour in the search area.

Still surprised how airliners can go missing like this.

I recall it took a few days for AF447 surface debris to be found, complete with many early reports and subsequent denials.



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User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 114744 times:

I am all for speculation, but lets try avoid wild speculation... "This reminds me of AF447..." Etc. Well why does it remind you od AF447? Cuz if its only because its a night time incident which happened in mid-flight then... You need to look at the archives to see there are other crashes with similar characteristics caused by different reasons... So lets try to substantiate things a little better?

Very sad about this crash  



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 114793 times:

Quoting Tsveto4nik (Reply 24):
Very dangerous sign - if he was not on this flight, who was using his passport in this case?

I am sure it is quite common that people travel with false documents.

[Edited 2014-03-08 03:40:51]


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25 Finn350 : The FR24 radar track is abruptly terminated mid-air at flying altitude? Doesn't this mean that either: (a) ADS-.B was switched off or (b) ADS-B failed
26 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Not really, this was the track at 17 21 UTC, shows it at 0ft altitude:
27 PA515 : The Chart in Reply 175 says: "soundings in metres". PA515
28 SpaceshipDC10 : Yes, but for one who regularly follow aircraft on FR24, it happens every now and then that the data don't appear . I doubt the aircraft could go from
29 Finn350 : Thanks. If that is real received information from the plane's ADS-B (that the plane was plunging) I don't understand how they are unable to locate th
30 BoeingVista : Yes, also if the 40 minutes of flight timeline is correct the aircraft would be reaching top of climb which is where you would expect a barometric pr
31 art : Ominous.
32 SASDC8 : Really sad news. My thoughts are with family and friends of those lost in this crash. What worries me is that the crash site has not been found yet, a
33 B747forever : Is it really such a rare occurrence that people travel with false documents, that it can be related to the direct cause of the crash?
34 evomutant : It worth remembering that many of Flightradar's receiving stations are in fact digital TV tuners used with a clever piece of software and run and mai
35 flyingbird : The 0 feet ADS-B report probably comes from aircraft computer failing to feed correct data in to the transponder.
36 RussianJet : Don't read anything into that for the moment, it's not a significant sign at all. The fact is that document abuse such as the illegal use of stolen p
37 pvjin : According to FR24 the aircraft had been flying in FL350 for quite a while before the disappearance, though of course there could have been a device d
38 SEPilot : First, in regards to those who are surprised that nothing has been found, the ocean (any ocean) is pretty big. And once you get away from shore boats
39 terminalc : OT: That's a bit overstated. Come live here for a few years & you'll find a growing economy but one that is not strong and no where near becoming
40 SKAirbus : This may be a silly question, but if the aircraft was hijacked, could it be possible to turn off the transponder and to lose track of the aircraft? Th
41 EPA001 : That would depend on coverage by primary radar I would think. The transponder is a secondary radar system if I recall correctly.
42 by738 : Think there is general radar that would have then picked up an unidentified aircraft
43 na : A 777 is too big to land somewhere undetected. There are few possibilities anyway to land in that region. As the weather was fine its likely not a se
44 PHLapproach : For aircraft that are certified for over land ops only, sure. But I disagree with that in regards to ETOPS certified a/c. I'm not not sure about all
45 Tobias2702 : I was wondering the same. If I'm not mistaken, AF 447 sent a number of automated ACARS messages during that fateful minutes. Why has this not been th
46 imatams : The secondary radar signal, with the identifier and detailed altitude and airspeed info would be lost, but there would still be an (unidentified) prim
47 SASDC8 : It would still give off a radar signal on military and civil radars it your turn off all transponders.
48 horstroad : what if the repaired wing tip had failed? the repair is pretty close to the r/h outboard aileron. would such a scenario occupy the crew enough to not
49 SCQ83 : Wow that is weird... it would need to be confirmed. Very weird indeed. Also, this is a flight from Malaysia (where basically most nationalities can e
50 philask : Unlikely, and even if it did there would be ACARS/CPDLC.
51 BLRAviation : MH has released the passenger and crew manifest with names, citizenship and age. I have posted it on Bangalore Aviation but cannot post the link as A.
52 by738 : I personally dont think so, but who knows. Would that be enough to bring down a 777?
53 tonioli : CNN reporting that vietnamese aircraft spoted liquid and rubbish
54 rfields5421 : The ELT, if the aircraft was equipped with them, can fail to activate for several reasons. It is unusual but not extremely rare for a crashed aircraf
55 ltbewr : Does this region where this a/c became missing, only a few degrees north of the equator, have issues similar to other areas at or near the equator, ov
56 JetBuddy : Yes, definitely.
57 SEPilot : I doubt very much that even if the wing broke off at the point of damage that it would have brought the plane down. The aileron would have still been
58 s5daw : Some reports on twitter suggest that due to the nightfall the search has been called off until tomorrow. Poor relatives. The uncertainty could be hard
59 Post contains images KarelXWB :
60 spacecadet : None of the Comets that crashed ever sent distress signals. That was a long time ago and obviously the 777's been flying long enough that we'd know i
61 Pellegrine : Terrible news for a MH lover like myself. Unless subsequent aerodynamic forces caused damage to spread into a wing spar failure. It'd probably be a qu
62 EXMEMWIDGET : AP is reporting that two oil slicks have been spotted in the ocean. The slicks were spotted by Vietnamese search aircraft.[Edited 2014-03-08 04:50:40]
63 aviasian : It is reported that the surface search continues through the night but airborne search will resume at daybreak. This must be very painful news for fam
64 B747forever : If the aircraft had ELT and it never activated, it could indicate a sudden explosion mid air. Thought it was a more widespread problem and quite comm
65 rfields5421 : There are several mechanical reasons an ELT might not activate beyond explosion. Another reason is that the ELT may have activated but if the wreckag
66 RussianJet : Sorry, but that's completely not true. Document abuse goes on all day, every day. This is one of the big reasons why we have border controls. A large
67 teme82 : Any information if the plane was carrying any dangerous goods on the cargo hold?
68 EK413 : It's really disturbing to hear no news what so ever & no sign of the aircraft exact location. EK413
69 vfw614 : Why wasn't it spotted? If the passport was stolen and the name not altered, red lights should have popped up with that passenger passing border contr
70 Miami : According to Vietnamese air force, planes have spotted two large oil slicks that authorities suspect are from a MH flight 370. A Vietnamese government
71 argonaught : The Air France Flight 4590 disaster wasn't an engine failure accident, but it showed that a 5 kg piece of tire, flying at 500 kph (which makes it a f
72 Koosi : Didn't the PAL 434 bomber travel on a fake Italian passport? No idea why a Middle Eastern terrorist would target a Malaysian plane though. Of all the
73 AF185 : CNN also reports large quantities of "rubbish" were spotted in the same area, according to Vietnamese officials.
74 SEPilot : Good point; however the Comet crashes were very similar to bombs. And I do not think that the 777 is in any way prone to an explosive decompression l
75 RussianJet : There are way too many potential scenarios and far too few details to even begin speculating about any precise modus operandi or exact nature of the
76 ZKCIF : There are some 60 000 000 Italians only in Italy. There are probably at least a couple or sometimes dozens of different people called Giorgio Simoni
77 HansHubers : I doubt if this indicates an explosion when reading this... If an explosion occurs at FL350, will there still be oil (or other fluids) left to spill
78 Pellegrine : How severe was the damage? I don't subscribe to any theory at this point.
79 rj777 : Couldn't the oil and rubbish also possibly come from a ship of some sort? I know it's wishful thinking.
80 Post contains links DIRECTFLT : Oil Slick is also mentioned in a NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/wo...malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0 Lai Xuan Thanh, the director
81 KarelXWB : That's possible, let's give them some time to investigate the oil.
82 Post contains links aviatorcraig : Once the distribution of debris can be examined, it should quickly become obvious whether the plane suddenly came apart at high speed and high altitud
83 Grisee08 : It took 24 years, and 2 crashes to find out that the Boeing 737 had a very subtle design flaw in the Rudder PCU. Don't rule anything out...ever.
84 na : And 18 years to find out about the wiring fault in the 747-100 and 737 center fuel tanks. And there are other examples of design flaws which are beco
85 Post contains links peachair : Not true - check out the CVR of Lauda Air 004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauda_Air_Flight_004
86 blueshamu330s : Flying 35,000ft above busy waterways, at night, clear weather, it would have been like New Year fireworks had it been a mid-air explosion. I am dubio
87 Post contains links EY460 : http://orf.at/stories/2221258/2221257/ Also the Austrian passenger was not on board and had its passport stolen.
88 SpaceshipDC10 : Although we can't rule out yet anything to explain what happened to that 777, I'm wondering if in a case of an uncommanded thrust reverser deployment
89 vfw614 : CNN now picking up the stolen passport as well. The Malaysian Aviation Authority official indeed The guy is called Luigi Maraldi and apparently on the
90 pvjin : Two people with false passports in the same flight? Doesn't sound very usual to me, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a terrorist attack after all.
91 EVAAIRBR076 : How on earth is it possible to get behind customs and board a plane with a passport that is stolen as they are report stolen and they all have id numb
92 Post contains images awthompson : What a shock to wake up to on Saturday morning! I'm only back a couple of weeks ago from a trip to the far east (Philippines and Kuala Lumpur) using M
93 Mark2fly1034 : Oil spill? Large jets carry next to no oil, maybe a few gallons in the first place, unless it was cargo.
94 vfw614 : To add to this, both the Austrian's and the Italian's passport were stolen in Thailand.
95 HansHubers : Right, so one false document could be coincidence. But now a second one showed up, that's kind of strange, not?
96 sassiciai : True, but maybe they are not a.net members! An report from a fisherman via whatever communication chain to the authorities - that might take time (ho
97 aerdingus : Would these two passports not be reported stolen and blocked for use? Similar system to when a credit card is lost/stolen?
98 sailas : Posted by CX. Our thoughts are with everyone on board Malaysia Airlines #MH370, their families and employees of the airline. We stand ready to assist
99 Mark2fly1034 : That oil spill seems highly unlikely unless the plane was carrying oil as cargo. Large jet planes only need a few gallons if that for a flight.
100 teme82 : Unless they saw the Jet-A that was used as fuel for the engines. People has the bad habit to label any spill in the water as oil spill even it's some
101 Fixinthe757 : Remember the news uses terms that they don't have a clue about. Oil slick is a general term, and the 777 has large amounts of fuel and skydrol (hydrau
102 DTWLAX : If the aircraft exploded mid-air, wouldn't other aircrafts in the area notice the flash from the explosion given the weather was fairly clear?
103 na : I dont think we should take oil literally as engine oil here. Kerosene is also some kind of oil.
104 Steelyman : Maybe they had been stolen same day and owners had no chance to report It seems really unlikely that given the case that the 2 pax who flew were impo
105 vfw614 : Quite strange that CNN stresses that it is crucial to find out if the passports were stolen or lost - what difference does it make if they were stolen
106 vfw614 : The Austrian's passport was stolen in 2012, the Italian's in Agust 2013.
107 uta999 : Slicks are over 9 miles long and a parallel one 500 metres apart. That sounds like a low level fuel dump and either a ditching, or a diversion again a
108 Post contains links KarelXWB : Pilots of missing Malaysia Airlines flight have more than 20,000 hours of flight experience. http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...ht-has-more-20000-
109 Post contains links Centre : You would think government agencies have better ability to fake a stolen passport in today's technology. It's no longer the early 20th century where
110 UALWN : I'd imagine that by "oil" they mean oil / gasoline / petroleum / jet A: any slick liquid stuff less dense than water. If that "oil" is from the plane
111 Surfpunk : The reference to an "oil spill" or "oil slick" could simply refer to the standard rainbow-hued slick that floats on water when a petrochemical is in
112 RayChuang : In the end, they have to find the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder--the black boxes--as soon as possible. The black boxes will tell us
113 SKAirbus : Right so two passports were stolen... That means (in theory) that the people who stole the passports should be on the plane. Nowadays, all checked lug
114 hivue : It actually sounds like two reported slicks. It's been more than twelve hours past any crash into the sea (if there was any crash into the sea). Flui
115 Post contains links 9MMAR : Latest post in MalaysianWings mentioned that a US army camp in Utapao Thailand intercepted a SOS radio call from the aircraft requesting for emergency
116 CityhopperNL : I am pretty sure there is no any global system for registering stolen or lost passports. I have seen customs all around the world just checking passp
117 Skyguy : So far we understand that the aircraft went off radar contact either 40 minutes or 2 hours after take off (some confusion here), but what about ACARS?
118 Post contains links DTWLAX : Meanwhile CNN needs to check for the correct information before posting. Notice the last paragraph: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/08/wo...plane-missi
119 na : Structural failure then if true, either through fatigue or a bomb. I only wonder why it takes 20 hours or so for this message to be reported. Also wh
120 awthompson : Further to my post and photo of 9M-MRO at reply 92, I can comment that security at KUL appeared very tight with a further check of all persons and han
121 Post contains images Flighty : From CNN: "An Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 carrying 291 passengers struck a seawall at San Francisco International Airport in July 2013, killing three p
122 vfw614 : They are talking about the "deadliest" crash. AA587 had 265 casualties, AA447 had 228 (although that type of bodycounting appears to be wholly unnece
123 KarelXWB : Why could only that US army camp intercept the message?
124 LAXdude1023 : Was there any violent weather or turbulent air in the suspected crash site? This reminds me more or AF 447, but in that case I believe the pitot tubes
125 gulfstream650 : No. It seems weather can be ruled out as a factor.
126 vfw614 : Going by the names, the stolen passports were for Causasians, not naturalized citizens. I doubt that Xinjiang separatists would have been able to rec
127 Post contains links jetjeanes : Could this be a plausible theory ? I have not heard of this http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/...et-near-miss-north-korean-missile/
128 jfritz : AF447 did not crash because it had crystallized pitot tubes. Clogged pitot tubes do not bring a plane down.
129 Finn350 : If the page suggests the plane was hit by a North Korean missile, it is not plausible. The missile would have needed a huge range and any such launch
130 Cassi : Is anything known about the repair job after the wingtip collision? Hidden cracks or poor maintenance after the repair could easily lead to a JAL 123-
131 SCQ83 : Thailand is known for its passport "black-market". I also doubt that a security or check-in agent in KUL could tell if someone was not Italian just b
132 cipango : This is incorrect. You can report a passport as missing and it will be cancelled. Yes in the EU they only glance at it but this is due to the free mo
133 JOshu : I don't know if this means more than two, and take it for what it's worth, CNN is now saying that "several" passports were stolen. "CNN and other outl
134 Post contains links SCQ83 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...angkok-the-capital-of-forgery.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...8912/My-fake-passport-Britain.html
135 KarelXWB : Per Reuters, the Italian foreign ministry just confirmed no Italian was on the missing Malaysia flight.
136 Tobias2702 : According to the passenger list, there were 1 Italian and 1 Austrian on board, so we are still speaking of (only) two stolen passports.
137 vfw614 : Would other nationals really require a visa just for connecting? Isn't that Visa waiver thing meant for stopovers rahter than simple connections? It
138 LipeGIG : KUL-PEK today's flight is about to depart ? It seems still as MH370. Per MH website 0370 ON TIME KUALA LUMPUR 09 Mar 2014 00:35 BEIJING 09 Mar 2014 06
139 ycp81 : How about in transit? Transited through KL a few times and definitely passports were not checked by immigration.
140 DTW2HYD : Repair seem to be very minor, less than a $Million. But it is something investigators have to take a look at.
141 cat3appr50 : First off God comfort the families and loved ones of those who were on board. Flightradar24 is typically pretty accurate. I'm assuming it is this time
142 iloveboeing : If the oil slicks are indeed from MH 370, why would they be over 9 miles (15 km) long? Also, how deep is the water in that area? Will they have to use
143 SKY1 : The italian citizen reported it and other new passport was issued for him in Italy before returned to South East Asia. So, it's odd as his previous p
144 Post contains links vfw614 : Further to the news of the intercepted message from MH370: The Taiwanese news site says that the news about the intercepted message comes from the US
145 jfritz : I cannot recall for AF447 in terms of distress calls. But would the Malaysia flight have flown in a communications blackout area? Or would they had be
146 Post contains links sq_ek_freak : Per the Guardian, now the Austrian Foreign Ministry is saying no Austrian was onboard, and that his passport was stolen in Thailand two years ago: htt
147 vfw614 : See reply 147.
148 cipango : Maybe not in transit, but if they were going internationally they would have had to be checked at some point. From memory all counties around Malaysi
149 hivue : Currents can move/disperse slicks a lot in 12+ hours. Apparently in the 50-80m range.
150 danvs : The Gulf of Thailand is shallow. According Google Earth, around 50m deep only.
151 Post contains links E195 : According to radarbox a squak 7700 was there?? http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/...1B-067F-4124-A5AF-3E522ED2D47A.png Dave
152 cjg225 : So, perhaps we can call it an "oily slick."
153 SpaceshipDC10 : Yes it might be right, however in AF447 case, oil was also spotted on the surface and thought to be from the disappeared aircraft and later determine
154 Surfpunk : Current flow could stretch them out. If the aircraft came in at a shallow angle, this could also be the case, although I'm not sure if this is the ca
155 abba : There could be a number of different reasons for fake passport’s to be on that plane - unrelated to terrorism. One also has to remember that terror
156 awthompson : We keep referring to JAL 123. That's so far back in history. We do however have a much more recent case to refer to. Do few contributors here realize
157 Post contains links CALTECH : It was the start. Crew had a lot to do with it too. http://www.theguardian.com/world/201.../05/air-france-crash-ruling-pilots "Ice crystals, which bl
158 danvs : I think it's not that difficult for KUL airport authorities to analyse video footage of the passengers of MH370 and have pictures of the people who us
159 CityhopperNL : It is cancelled by the country of origin. In order for that cancellation to be shared with foreign countries you would need to have some internationa
160 awthompson : Now that's interesting! However the time of 08:48 UTC does not help.
161 cjg225 : There could, you're right. And there are non-Muslim terrorists, you're right. But, do you believe that terrorism is a bit more prevalent in the Musli
162 Surfpunk : If this is true, why has this information not made it out? That's an important detail (especially if it correlates with that Army camp picking up a "
163 jfritz : One theory at a time! Can we confirm the 7700 squawk?
164 Burchfiel : I will keep those on board and their families in my prayers.
165 hivue : Good question. So good, in fact, that it makes me highly suspicious regarding this report. A Taiwanese news agency gets a report from the US embassy
166 Stabilator : All of this sounds so off, and is a horrible tradgedy. Thoughts and prayers to all affected, as well as their loved ones.
167 Surfpunk : Yeah, it seems fishy, for certain (for that kind of information to take such a circuitous route in getting out), but that Radarbox24 screen grab make
168 SEPilot : True, the clogged pitot tubes did not bring the plane down. They did, however, shut down the control computers and disabled the airspeed indicators.
169 virgin744 : Surprised to see 2 of the crew names were very westernized for Malaysian citizenship. Is it normal for Malaysians to have such western names?
170 SCQ83 : True... but why would anyone travel on a fake European passport to China? For economic reasons?... To smuggle to another country from there?... I am
171 Post contains links 802flyguy : For anyone who has not seen it, the Straits Times has excellent coverage. Nothing really new yet, but very good background stories: http://www.straits
172 b757lvr : I still find it baffling that a Boeing 777 airliner can just vanish in flight and we still don't know where it is! Have any proposals been made to a/c
173 SCQ83 : There are many Malays and Indians from Goa with Portuguese family names. Tony Fernandes is the Malay founder of Air Asia.
174 flymia : The stolen passports will certainly be something investigated but it is not that unusual. Stolen and fraudulent passports are used across the world on
175 trex8 : A US signals intelligence center in Thailand picking up a transmission local ATC did not. I'd buy that anyday. The info getting to the world media vi
176 UALWN : It makes the idea of a more or less sudden disintegration more likely. It could be a bomb, it could be a number of other things.
177 awthompson : To answer the point you have made here and without having taken the time to study this; what about the possibility that something failed stemming fro
178 vfw614 : As for the passport issue - what would be the point of traveling on fake passports if you want to bring down an airliner unless you are a convicted te
179 horstroad : what about fuel? if the repair on the wing failed, could they possibly lose enough fuel to cause an uncontrolable unbalance? I don't know about the a
180 SCQ83 : There is an (economic) pattern behind almost anyone trying to enter MIA on a fraudulent passport (I guess no need to explain!). Yet can you tell any
181 pilotaydin : Apparently Richard Quest flew with these two pilots in the cockpit filming a shote for cnn a week ago. He says the FO was in training during the fligh
182 Hywel : Assuming they weren't just transiting in China, an Austrian/Italian passport holder would need a visa to enter. I'm surprised the stolen passports go
183 Post contains links and images Surfpunk : The images of the wing damage don't appear to be far enough inboard from the tip to reach the main wing tank. Maybe to the overflow, but that's about
184 SCQ83 : Why wouldn't you transit in that case?
185 wjcandee : Media initially said that this was a "veteran crew". It was a veteran captain and a relatively-low-time FO, as is typical of some of the non-US carrie
186 vfw614 : From AVHERALD: "Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the air
187 captainstefan : A reading of 0 feet is more akin to an error in the system, or a return with no information. A return of, say, 5 feet - *that* would be more concerni
188 abba : From personal experience (having lived in HK for 13 years) they are certainly tight - however, that does not mean that they are efficient...Nothing r
189 BoeingVista : There are, there are also caucasian looking Muslim terrorists as Boston found out where the terrorists were from the actual caucauses. Yup, thats a f
190 SEPilot : What it sounds like to me is a sudden breach of the fuselage, which does not immediately destroy it but aerodynamic forces cause it to get progressiv
191 SpaceshipDC10 : Interesting. If true, this is quite a change of heading, beside the possible steep descent.
192 Post contains links vfw614 : Picture of the oil slick shot from a Vietnamese military airplane: http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscm...4d1a27b80ef.nbcnews-ux-760-600.jpg
193 trex8 : Tell that to the N Koreans!! Now that I'd agree with though illegals from China to EU/N America are still very common
194 tortugamon : I don't see anything factually incorrect about the comment. MH370 has more passengers than AF447. tortugamon
195 horstroad : thanks. Just looked it up. the tanks end at rib 32 (overflow at rib 34). there are a total of 46 or 47 ribs. the tanks don't even reach the outboard
196 airbazar : As other people have said, stolen European passports are a huge business, especially in Asia and Africa. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understan
197 Miami : Today's MH flight 370 is scheduled to take off in about 20 minutes.
198 flyenthu : Richard Quest from CNN was filming for Business Traveler on a Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur flight, and it was the same first officer confirmed by MH as
199 Halophila : I am a marine scientist, and to me that photo shows a slick of the cyanobacterium Trichodesmium, which is common this time of year in the gulf of Tha
200 TreeHillRavens : It's not that common, but not too rare either... I suppose you are referring to IFS Patrick Francis Gomes and FS Andrew Nari ? The IFS could be India
201 Post contains links vfw614 : I have found the original source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...-spill-search-missing-plane-n47786 Let's hope the search crews have access t
202 trex8 : Sorry stupid question but what do tech crew do??
203 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Agreed, here are two picture from the Baltic sea which are similar looking as the photo posted by vfw614 so I think we can question that the photo sh
204 jfritz : Really? That's not gonna help things.
205 jfritz : Ok looking at those images...where the heck did that aircraft go?
206 gr325 : Those are the pilots.
207 flymia : Do we know that the two passengers flying on stolen passports were not transiting in PEK to another country? Why assume PEK was a final destination.
208 vfw614 : Looks as if three of the cabin crew were Chinese.
209 SCQ83 : I am assuming (pure Internet speculation) they were transiting, so no need for pre-arranged Visa in a Chinese consulate.
210 Post contains links caribb : Interesting, thanks for the insight http://www.windows2universe.org/head...olpa/microbe_25feb10.html&edu=high You could very well be right
211 lightsaber : My condolences to the families. This is horrible. I would like to be that way. I fear a bomb though. It could be anything and thus much is left to be
212 iberiadc852 : And why not use your proper passport if you already look caucasian and are not an identified terrorist? I think one of the main works now by investig
213 bristolflyer : To add to the idea that this is not oil/fuel from an aircraft, I would think it unlikely that they would see an oil slick from an aircraft and not an
214 Starlionblue : Very very unlikely. It should, an any case the DFDR and CVR should also ping. Yes it is possible. However it depends a lot on primary radar coverage
215 Vimanav : I think they meant deck crew. A very sad loss. RIP the 239 souls on board and 9M-MRO. brgds//Vimanav
216 lh648 : Tickets bought by stolen credit card? Or some other kind of fraud?
217 Coal : Ethnic Chinese Malaysians, but not Mainland Chinese. The spelling and the names are typical of Southeast Asia Chinese, not Mainland Chinese. Cheers C
218 infinit : I see the word "ocean" being used a lot here. This is incorrect. The plane was flying over a sea, a relatively busy one at that both with fishing and
219 BoeingVista : Nope... But every stop, everytime you go through document controls, adds to your chances of detection. I'm sure that security forces are going throug
220 SCQ83 : There is only a number of countries that can transit Visa-free for 72h in China: For any other country, you would need a prearranged visa in a Chines
221 Post contains links ThomasCook : Hi, I can't find reference to this already within this post and the closed ones; the Straits Times has reported on a smoke column seen off the coast o
222 pilotaydin : If we do find that a bomb was responsible I will lose sleep yet again, I slowly gained my trust for airport security it will bring me new fears if the
223 Post contains links flyenthu : I just saw the pax manifest and the names. There is an Italian and Austrian listed. BUT, it is VERY EARLY to draw or jump into any conclusions. The ma
224 Post contains links Coal : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Tapao_Royal_Thai_Navy_Airfield Well it seems the last time the US had a presence in U-Tapao was in the 1970s, so we can
225 UA787DEN : It's Still a rather large body of water hard to search for a plane in. The only interesting part is the busy shipping lanes - I find it odd nobody ha
226 flyingturtle : I took a barometric altimeter on a U2 flight - on a 319 - and the cabin altitude stopped at 2850 meters. The flight was short, BSL-DUS. But 40 minute
227 SpaceshipDC10 : Was already published 30 replies before you, however it's alright to have it again since the thread is growing rapidly.
228 Coal : So? This and the depth of the Gulf of Thailand has been brought up in about 200 responses across three threads. How about reading the posts before re
229 giopan1975 : How long did it take before 447 debris was found floating? Somehow and after 20 flawless years of flying it would sound incredible that such a flying
230 thunderboltdrgn : This has been mentioned see reply #192 and #201[Edited 2014-03-08 09:05:44]
231 vfw614 : See post 192. It is neither smoke nor oil slick, but sea sawdust. Borth NBC and the Straits Times apparently got it wrong.
232 hivue : Allow me to be even more pedantic. The plane was flying over a "gulf."
233 na : Rather unlikely, yes, but the QF VH-OQA incident shows it can bring an airliner into a near-disastrous situation. The 777 only has two engines, each
234 dragon6172 : Delete please mods... duplicate.[Edited 2014-03-08 09:05:22]
235 dragon6172 : There is a presence there every year during the Cobra Gold exercise. Not trying to confirm the rumor. Just throwing some info out there.
236 trex8 : If Snowden told us there is no US intel center there I might believe it. But Wiki????
237 flyenthu : The names of these two PAX are in the manifest and could shed more light. Hence, my post, without being OVERTLY DIRECT because this is a highly sensi
238 justloveplanes : I know this has been probably said already, What is the rate of change of altitude and velocity that can be inferred from the tracking map? Is the dat
239 UA787DEN : Cobra Gold finished up on February 21. Wouldn't the US be gone by now?
240 evomutant : Or more likely, the Vietnamese officals who released the the picture are wrong. But lets not miss a chance to bash the media (the utterly ludicrous w
241 OldAeroGuy : The 777 v.tail and h.tail are carbon fiber composite similar to the A330. Doesn't mean they would float though since the material is denser than wate
242 BN747dfwhnl : When you do, please inform NBC's aviation expert, journalist Tom Costello, that the BA crash-landing did in fact cause injuries to those on board (he
243 UA787DEN : Cobra Gold finished up on February 21. Wouldn't the US be gone by now?
244 Coal : My point being that your post has been made by many people across the three threads ad nauseam. Cheers Coal
245 BN747dfwhnl : When you do, please inform NBC's aviation expert, journalist Tom Costello, that the BA crash-landing did in fact cause injuries to those on board (he
246 vfw614 : Cobra Cold 2014 finished 12 days ago, so maybe still personnel around. Other than that, intelligence is not necessarily collected by units that are kn
247 cat3appr50 : No primary surveillance radar data? No nearby aircraft had TCAS of this flight on their screens? How does a non-ATC installation (as being reported, a
248 f.pier : MH370 is now en-route flying to Beijing
249 vfw614 : Well, as a.net spotted the mistake within like five minutes, a journalist of a respected media outlet would want to double check before posting infor
250 spacecadet : Al Qaeda has still never taken responsibility for 9/11, in fact they publicly deny that they had anything to do with it. It serves their interests to
251 flyingturtle : Good to have such diverse people like you on this forum! Regards from a statistical guy with a biological background, David
252 cx828 : Why do they still use the MH 370 today to beijing, just departed and on the way to yesterday incident point, should't they change the flight number??
253 hivue : What "tracking map." The flightradar24 information suggests the plane stopped communicating at FL350.
254 Beta : Condolence out to the families and loved ones of the missing. Tragedy! Assuming the wreckage will be found, and all the relevant mechanical parts are
255 dragon6172 : Unless whatever happened jammed the RH outboard aileron down.
256 loladaisydukes : I am currently watching the MH370's flight progress for today through FR24. It looks like its about to pass the same area where the missing plane last
257 Fallap : As an aircraft technician (student) I'm somewhat surprised that you can make such an extensive repair to the wing. I thought a whole new wing would ha
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