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User currently offlineDelta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 8
Posted (12 years 12 months ago) and read 5521 times:



The cockpit seemed to stay intact. I don't know anything about the crash, but by looking at that picture... I am kinda surprised both pilots died. What are your thoughts?

Here's another picture. Again, you would think someone could have survived this crash.



The pictures came from http://www.airdisaster.com and I think they have a few more.

Thanks,
Hank  Big thumbs up

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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 12 months ago) and read 5361 times:

The aircraft impacted at 130+ knots. Even if there isn't much fuselage disruption, there's sure as hell gonna be some fuselage floor disruption, not to mention huge impact forces, both with the Cessna and the hangar. Not to mention the fire and smoke. Definatly not survivable.

User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 12 months ago) and read 5333 times:

That plane was one giant fireball. No way to escape death.


I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4329 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5203 times:

Contrary to what Tsully tells the aircraft wasn't a huge fireball (otherwise we couldn't see a fairly intact cockpit and part of fuselage on these pictures) but probably the force of impact, seats and luggage crushing the front sitting pax from behind, and the fumes were too grave for anyone to survive. There are other examples.
On photo's, parts of the 1972 BEA Trident crash at Staines looked quite intact, still noone survived this accident, same with a 1974 Pan Am Pago Pago 707 accident. Same with some car crashes when you see (on photo's or TV) fairly decent damaged cars and still all occupants died.



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User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Did anyone survive????

May God bless those involved and affected.

Aloha 737-200


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

The impact must have been enormous. A few people may have survived the crash itself but died due to smoke (getting out would have been impossible given that they were mostly under a smashed hangar roof) or the result of injuries.

The Staines Trident and Pago Pago 707 mentioned above both had victims that were alive after the plane stopped. In fact no-one in the Pan Am 707 was killed by the crash itself, yet only three passengers were alive a week later (the flight was full btw). Two or three passengers were rescued from the remains of the BEA Trident but died soon after being pulled out - the aircraft, after all, fell vertically in a flat spin into a field.



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User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5142 times:


Contrary to what MEA-707 would have us believe, I read many articles that said the aircraft became engulfed in flames.





I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Nwafirstclass - 'glad' someone finds this funny. Next time think before you post. Don't mean to patronise but I don't really think this is a laughing matter.

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

No, nobody survived this accident and 4 people perished on the ground. Very sad indeed.

God's blessings to all those who lost loved ones in the crash.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineContact_Tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

According to a source in SAS the plane hit the runway,skidded on grass more then 1000 meters after the impact with the Citation, and then hit the soft steel structure of the buliding.

The impact, the 1000 meters and the building would make the mecanical trauma survivable, it's was the fire that killed them.
You don't need open flame to kill, the smoke and rise in temprature is more than enough.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

Remember the Saudia L1011?

An airplane on which something like 300 people died....yet it could actually be towed away on it's own perfectly untouched landing gear.

Smoke and fire are killers. Thats why we need to continue to search for high technology jet fuel that is non-flammible until it reaches the engines.

I read that a highly respected structural engineer was going through the WTC rubble last week...he said "The impact itself did nothing to these buildings", meaning of course it was the fire that weakened the frames.

STAY WITH THE RESEARCH...IT'S GOTTA BE POSSIBLE.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6461 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Two third of the 118 people, who died at LIN last Monday morning, are burned beyond any possibility of visual recognition. That's what the Danish press tells today.

Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

What were the nationalities onboard?


.....up there with the best!
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6461 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4877 times:

SK 686 pax:
Italy (58 passengers)
Denmark (16)
Sweden (17)
Rumania (1)
Norway (3)
Finland (6)
Great Britain (2)
South Africa (1)

SK 686 crew:
Swedish: PIC, FO and one FA.
Danish: three FAs.

The Cessna had two German pilots. Passengers were the Italian Cessna sales manager plus an Italian businessman who wanted to buy the plane.

Four Italian workers died on the ground, a few more wer injured.

So in total somewhat over half of them were Italian.

Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4870 times:

I am crying.......my airline, my poor poor airline. I wonder if that cockpit would ever be for sale? Hmmmm...

Stephen


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