777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5851 times:
The aircraft impacted at 130+ knots. Even if there isn't much fuselage disruption, there's sure as hell gonna be some fuselage floor disruption, not to mention huge impact forces, both with the Cessna and the hangar. Not to mention the fire and smoke. Definatly not survivable.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4400 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5693 times:
Contrary to what Tsully tells the aircraft wasn't a huge fireball (otherwise we couldn't see a fairly intact cockpit and part of fuselage on these pictures) but probably the force of impact, seats and luggage crushing the front sitting pax from behind, and the fumes were too grave for anyone to survive. There are other examples.
On photo's, parts of the 1972 BEA Trident crash at Staines looked quite intact, still noone survived this accident, same with a 1974 Pan Am Pago Pago 707 accident. Same with some car crashes when you see (on photo's or TV) fairly decent damaged cars and still all occupants died.
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Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8283 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
The impact must have been enormous. A few people may have survived the crash itself but died due to smoke (getting out would have been impossible given that they were mostly under a smashed hangar roof) or the result of injuries.
The Staines Trident and Pago Pago 707 mentioned above both had victims that were alive after the plane stopped. In fact no-one in the Pan Am 707 was killed by the crash itself, yet only three passengers were alive a week later (the flight was full btw). Two or three passengers were rescued from the remains of the BEA Trident but died soon after being pulled out - the aircraft, after all, fell vertically in a flat spin into a field.
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Contact_Tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5460 times:
According to a source in SAS the plane hit the runway,skidded on grass more then 1000 meters after the impact with the Citation, and then hit the soft steel structure of the buliding.
The impact, the 1000 meters and the building would make the mecanical trauma survivable, it's was the fire that killed them.
You don't need open flame to kill, the smoke and rise in temprature is more than enough.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5452 times:
Remember the Saudia L1011?
An airplane on which something like 300 people died....yet it could actually be towed away on it's own perfectly untouched landing gear.
Smoke and fire are killers. Thats why we need to continue to search for high technology jet fuel that is non-flammible until it reaches the engines.
I read that a highly respected structural engineer was going through the WTC rubble last week...he said "The impact itself did nothing to these buildings", meaning of course it was the fire that weakened the frames.