Delta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 8 Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3681 times:
The cockpit seemed to stay intact. I don't know anything about the crash, but by looking at that picture... I am kinda surprised both pilots died. What are your thoughts?
Here's another picture. Again, you would think someone could have survived this crash.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3521 times:
The aircraft impacted at 130+ knots. Even if there isn't much fuselage disruption, there's sure as hell gonna be some fuselage floor disruption, not to mention huge impact forces, both with the Cessna and the hangar. Not to mention the fire and smoke. Definatly not survivable.
Tsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
That plane was one giant fireball. No way to escape death.
I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3363 times:
Contrary to what Tsully tells the aircraft wasn't a huge fireball (otherwise we couldn't see a fairly intact cockpit and part of fuselage on these pictures) but probably the force of impact, seats and luggage crushing the front sitting pax from behind, and the fumes were too grave for anyone to survive. There are other examples.
On photo's, parts of the 1972 BEA Trident crash at Staines looked quite intact, still noone survived this accident, same with a 1974 Pan Am Pago Pago 707 accident. Same with some car crashes when you see (on photo's or TV) fairly decent damaged cars and still all occupants died.
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Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3321 times:
The impact must have been enormous. A few people may have survived the crash itself but died due to smoke (getting out would have been impossible given that they were mostly under a smashed hangar roof) or the result of injuries.
The Staines Trident and Pago Pago 707 mentioned above both had victims that were alive after the plane stopped. In fact no-one in the Pan Am 707 was killed by the crash itself, yet only three passengers were alive a week later (the flight was full btw). Two or three passengers were rescued from the remains of the BEA Trident but died soon after being pulled out - the aircraft, after all, fell vertically in a flat spin into a field.
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Tsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3302 times:
Contrary to what MEA-707 would have us believe, I read many articles that said the aircraft became engulfed in flames.
I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3271 times:
Nwafirstclass - 'glad' someone finds this funny. Next time think before you post. Don't mean to patronise but I don't really think this is a laughing matter.
Contact_Tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
According to a source in SAS the plane hit the runway,skidded on grass more then 1000 meters after the impact with the Citation, and then hit the soft steel structure of the buliding.
The impact, the 1000 meters and the building would make the mecanical trauma survivable, it's was the fire that killed them.
You don't need open flame to kill, the smoke and rise in temprature is more than enough.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
Remember the Saudia L1011?
An airplane on which something like 300 people died....yet it could actually be towed away on it's own perfectly untouched landing gear.
Smoke and fire are killers. Thats why we need to continue to search for high technology jet fuel that is non-flammible until it reaches the engines.
I read that a highly respected structural engineer was going through the WTC rubble last week...he said "The impact itself did nothing to these buildings", meaning of course it was the fire that weakened the frames.
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6016 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
Two third of the 118 people, who died at LIN last Monday morning, are burned beyond any possibility of visual recognition. That's what the Danish press tells today.
Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
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