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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 166080 times:
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As part 3 is became quite long, it was locked for further contributions. Part 4 is now open for further discussion:

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineFallap From Denmark, joined Jan 2009, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 166431 times:

As an aircraft technician (student) I'm somewhat surprised that you can make such an extensive repair to the wing. I thought a whole new wing would have been needed.

I departed PEK today 1335 local time on SU with quite some mixed feelings. I hope they'll find something soon, for the sake of the relatives:-(


User currently offlinedtfg From China, joined Jan 2013, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 166155 times:

Stolen Passports Prompt Terror Concerns in Missing Jet, Officials Say
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...s-missing-jet-officials-say-n47861

God I hope it is not another Lockerbie


User currently offlineSurfpunk From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 165812 times:

Quoting Fallap (Reply 1):
As an aircraft technician (student) I'm somewhat surprised that you can make such an extensive repair to the wing. I thought a whole new wing would have been needed.

I departed PEK today 1335 local time on SU with quite some mixed feelings. I hope they'll find something soon, for the sake of the relatives:-(

As a student technician, you should at least know that aircraft structures are a series of panels, sections and ribs, which make up the unit as a whole (in this case, the wing). Since these sections are riveted together, the affected section(s) can have the rivets drilled out from the damaged area, and have new component parts either fabricated at depot, or shipped from the manufacturer. I did this a lot on military aircraft when I was in the US Navy. Jet blast deflector plates on A-6 Intruders were especially common, and those we fabricated right in the shop.


User currently offlineflylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 165631 times:

According to FR24 today's MH370 is cruising at 49,800 feet
Demonstrates the accuracy of these sights somewhat.

And as I have just written this it has returned to FL370



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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 165764 times:

According to the WSJ:

Quote:
In a terse statement, the carrier said it ticketed one Chinese, two Ukrainians, an Austrian, an Italian, one Dutch person and a Malaysian for the flight.

The two passengers with stolen passports were among the only 7 PAX who were ticketed with China Southern instead of MAS.



[Edited 2014-03-08 09:34:48]

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 165633 times:

This was published in thread 3 #186 by vfw614:

From AVHERALD: "Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. "

Has anyone read or found anything more about that suggestion ?



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User currently offlineChaosTheory From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 164914 times:

From the thread no. 3
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 30):
Yes, also if the 40 minutes of flight timeline is correct the aircraft would be reaching top of climb which is where you would expect a barometric pressure activated device to detonate.

The take-off weight of this flight was likely to be sub 230t. At 230t, it will take less than 20min for a GE90 777 to climb to FL350. A RR powered 777 will match or perhaps even better this.


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 164199 times:

Most of the news channels have plotted the G/C track from KUL-PEK. This is more likely the intended routing.
The 2nd image is the area where contact was apparently lost, near BITOD perhaps? This location is only 44min after takeoff time based on normal 777-200ER climb/cruise speeds.

IFR routing (probabilistic)


Zoomed in area of last contact


User currently offlineFallap From Denmark, joined Jan 2009, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 164115 times:

Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 3):

I'm still new to this though  


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6616 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 164131 times:

Quoting Fallap (Reply 1):
As an aircraft technician (student) I'm somewhat surprised that you can make such an extensive repair to the wing. I thought a whole new wing would have been needed.
Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 3):
As a student technician, you should at least know that aircraft structures are a series of panels, sections and ribs, which make up the unit as a whole (in this case, the wing). Since these sections are riveted together, the affected section(s) can have the rivets drilled out from the damaged area, and have new component parts either fabricated at depot, or shipped from the manufacturer. I did this a lot on military aircraft when I was in the US Navy. Jet blast deflector plates on A-6 Intruders were especially common, and those we fabricated right in the shop.

Yeah and if we go there replacing the wing is actually much more difficult (more attachment points, needs to "dry dock" the plane, etc.) and is likely to yield a poorer result, for a lot more money.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7477 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 163776 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 6):

This was published in thread 3 #186 by vfw614:

From AVHERALD: "Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. "

Has anyone read or found anything more about that suggestion ?



To me this would be consistent with a sudden catastrophic anomaly on board.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 163767 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 5):
The two passengers with stolen passports were among the only 7 PAX who were ticketed with China Southern instead of MAS.

How often has that happened ? In this day and age with the security measures we have how could they not have been stopped ?



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User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 163365 times:

Quoting vfw614:
Looks as if three of the cabin crew were Chinese.

There were 5 Chinese crew, 5 Malay and 2 Indian. All are Malaysian, by the way.


User currently offlineawthompson From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 163487 times:

Mine is still the most recent photo I can find of 9M-MRO (I took this at KUL on 28 Jan 2014.)



Here's the starboard wing zoomed in.



User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 163021 times:

According to the WSJ article, there was also a group of 24 painters and calligraphers on board that was returning from an exhibition in Malaysia. All very sad indeed.

User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 162152 times:

Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 3):
As a student technician, you should at least know that aircraft structures are a series of panels, sections and ribs, which make up the unit as a whole (in this case, the wing). Since these sections are riveted together, the affected section(s) can have the rivets drilled out from the damaged area, and have new component parts either fabricated at depot, or shipped from the manufacturer. I did this a lot on military aircraft when I was in the US Navy. Jet blast deflector plates on A-6 Intruders were especially common, and those we fabricated right in the shop.

You're right, but don't forget that apart from the visible part of damage, there is an invisible part as well which could end up in a catastrophic fatigue later on. The stress of that damage have gone much further than what initially expected and IIRC a wing is a primary structure and therefore in these cases more attention should be paid.

I remember some cases of damage of fuselage structure but as long as the damage was done in a secondary structure and under certain parameters of size and deepness it were much less critical than in primary structures, which required a full change and extensive check of the even non damaged area...



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User currently offlineSurfpunk From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 161762 times:

Quoting Fallap (Reply 9):
I'm still new to this though  

No worries. Good luck in your studies. And pay attention to bend allowances. 


User currently offlineaviatorcraig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2010, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 161419 times:

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 7):
From the thread no. 3
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 30):
Yes, also if the 40 minutes of flight timeline is correct the aircraft would be reaching top of climb which is where you would expect a barometric pressure activated device to detonate.

The take-off weight of this flight was likely to be sub 230t. At 230t, it will take less than 20min for a GE90 777 to climb to FL350. A RR powered 777 will match or perhaps even better this.

In one of the earlier parts of this thread, Zeke, who flies regularly in that area stated that it is usual to be held low by air traffic restrictions on this route during climb-out. This could explain an increased time to altitude.



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User currently offlineSurfpunk From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 160960 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 16):
You're right, but don't forget that apart from the visible part of damage, there is an invisible part as well which could end up in a catastrophic fatigue later on. The stress of that damage have gone much further than what initially expected and IIRC a wing is a primary structure and therefore in these cases more attention should be paid.

I remember some cases of damage of fuselage structure but as long as the damage was done in a secondary structure and under certain parameters of size and deepness it were much less critical than in primary structures, which required a full change and extensive check of the even non damaged area...

Very true. I was just explaining how it would be quite possible to replace the affected wing section, as opposed to having to replace the entire wing. I am almost 25 years separated from my airframe days in the Navy, and I never did make that a career in civil aviation, so I am by no means a professional.  


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 160461 times:

Quoting Beta (Reply 257):
Assuming the wreckage will be found, and all the relevant mechanical parts are recovered, the question is: Who will provide the bulk of the technical investigation?

Malaysia will lead, China and US will do their own investigation while working with Malaysian authorities IMO.

Quoting Beta (Reply 257):
2. Malaysia/Singapore: Malaysia probably has jurisdiction over the investigation, but can they do it? I don't know if Malaysia is in better position than Vietnam to do this sort of thing.

There is no question they will lead the investigation. Any equipment that they need can be provided by compassionate governments. Just look at how many governments have sent aircraft and boats at this point Vietnam, Singapore, US, China, etc.

Quoting Beta (Reply 257):
The added bonus is the Brits would appear less "sensitive" to the PRC's pride.

The Brits certainly have a rockier past with China than the US does.

Quoting Beta (Reply 257):
5. US: no question about the equipments and experiences, and the willingness to aid. But probably a bit too "sensitive" to the Chinese.

China would not have a say on how involved the US is in this process and I am not even that sure it would be that big of a deal anyway. This wouldn't be the Chinese asking the US for help as the aircraft is US made the FAA will be heavily involved regardless and as the aircraft operates extensively in the US the FAA will be involved. I bet they are already en-route if not on-site.

tortugamon

edit: misspelling

[Edited 2014-03-08 10:32:55]

User currently offlinelh648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 159204 times:

UK will take part in investigation as well as plane had RR engines.


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User currently offlinecfischaleck From Germany, joined May 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 159275 times:

Quoting ajhYXE (Reply 22):
How much damage could an uncontained engine failure cause in a worst-case scenario (i.e. worse than UA232 or QF32)? Does it have potential to bring down an aircraft with little or no opportunity to recover?

It most probably has. A >100kg titanium part of an engine travelling faster than the speed of sound penetrating the fuselage at cruise altitude would cause an rapid decompression. Add the force of the air stream, an airframe could possibly break up.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 158805 times:

Quoting lh648 (Reply 21):
UK will take part in investigation as well as plane had RR engines.

Absolutely. RR will insist on it.

tortugamon


User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 158823 times:

Looks like the US is sending the USS Pickney (a Burke-Class AEGIS Destroyer) and a P-3C from Kadena AB to assist in the search.


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25 Cassi : "The images of the wing damage don't appear to be far enough inboard from the tip to reach the main wing tank. " (Reply 183) Yes but it is still possi
26 zschocheimages : I just read this in an article on Yahoo as well. While it probably doesn't mean anything, it does add fuel to the conspiracy theory fire. This is wha
27 Post contains links harim : Probably irrelevant to the aircraft's disappearance - 2 passengers on-board were not the legitimate passport owners: http://www.themalaysianinsider.co
28 flyingturtle : I've just thought about searching for the wreckage. In the AF447 case, it was a towed sonar, with a lot of help from Bayesian statistics. Here, with w
29 CaliAtenza : also US citizens were on board; wouldn't that trigger an automatic NTSB involvement?
30 Post contains images David L : I have to ask... why wouldn't it be helpful?
31 802flyguy : Is location of the crash in Vietnamese waters? If so, Vietnam wouldn't have primary control of the investigation, with involvement from Malaysia, the
32 lh648 : No. Origin of the aircraft will.
33 lh648 : Yes, it's true. But nobody know's where the aircraft is...
34 cjg225 : How clear is the water? Might be able to see it. If it's resting in big enough pieces, in 50 meters of water the top of the fuselage would maybe be c
35 Kaiarahi : They don't need to - they have a right to participate under the International Convention on Civil Aviation. As does the U.S. (country of airframe man
36 cjg225 : I'm not sure, either. I'd think sidescanning sonar would be plenty helpful, even at that depth. It's used at shallow depths for mapping channels for
37 dtfg : And it was newly reported that one Russian guy appeared on the name list was NOT the passport owner. The owner also lost his passport before, and was
38 Post contains images flyingturtle : The same reason why a ground-based radar will cover a smaller part of the airspace compared to an airborne radar. Measured in degrees (from the sonar
39 acabgd : Probably not very clear in those parts of the world, yet with the seabed being so shallow there should be plenty of floating debris. A 777 is not tha
40 KDTWflyer : I did notice that the oil slick reports are referenced to be 87 miles south of Thổ Chu Island which means the approximate lat/long is 8° 0'4.48"N /
41 cjg225 : But a MAD array will have the same problem, won't it? They're effective in a very narrow field, I believe. I guess the benefit is that you can cover
42 rampart : I agree, but perhaps the moderators, starting the new thread, or the first poster in the new thread, could post a quick 5 bullet points of the items
43 lh648 : Russian embassy in Malaysia officially confirmed Russian citizen onboard. But they did it hours after the initial reports, so I don't know how they w
44 cjg225 : I actually think that's a really good idea for these quick-developing threads.
45 David L : I confess I was thinking more about detecting the signal from the DFDR rather than looking for wreckage. As I recall, one of the problems in detectin
46 vfw614 : Can you provide a link to that source? There was only one Russian on board, and he was, unlike the fake Austrian and fake Italian passenger not one o
47 lh648 : China taking down aircraft with 239 on board in Malaysian airspace not to let two spies in the country instead of just arresting them on arrival? Yes
48 sassiciai : I think that this event is of course a tragedy and deserves our sympathy, concern, and condolences to those directly affected But here we are approach
49 Post contains links wxmeddler : Looks like the US Navy is already ahead of you guys with the P-3 MAD idea: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-na...ends-destroyer-help-plane-search-0
50 David L : Fair enough. As per my subsequent post, I was thinking more about listening for the DFDR, which might be considerably easier in shallower waters.
51 Post contains images cjg225 : In the spirit of some posts in this thread... "Already posted." Admittedly, the MAD array idea passed my mind when I read it, but I was thinking more
52 bmacleod : Canadian network CBC was reporting last night that MH 370 may have landed in Vietnam. Then this morning reports that it's still missing but has not be
53 huxrules : This is incorrect- AF 447 was found using AUVs not towed sonars. Also their statistics lead them on a two year search - if they would have looked und
54 flyingturtle : Okay, this is a big advantage for side-scan sonar. Now I must find out more about the search techniques, reading Tom Clancy's "Red Storm Rising" and
55 s5daw : How soon after AF447 disappearance did the general public know about ACARS messages? Is it possible / probable that Malaysian has information we don't
56 trex8 : There is no official reason why the Chinese have any say in anything. Just because their citizens were involved gives them no specific rights to be a
57 cjg225 : Thanks for the info. I am quite curious about this stuff. The logistics and operations of searches and investigations like these are fascinating to m
58 flyenthu : Makes me sad to see the aircraft. I love 777s. Just flew on a bunch of 777s in Dec '13-Jan '14. Such a great and dependable aircraft. I am certain we
59 acabgd : If you want the above you should go to NTSB and read their reports that appear 2 years after a crash. In the meantime I enjoy reading various theorie
60 SEPilot : My recollection is that we knew about them immediately; they were part of the initial speculation. And as I remember, the initial consensus turned ou
61 Post contains images neutrino : I was with a photographer friend a few hours ago. He was telling me that he very recently gave a demonstration on light painting to a group of over t
62 slinky09 : One thing I have learned is to keep your passport ultra safe if you ever visit Thailand.
63 tortugamon : I believe the US already deployed one from Thailand or Japan. I wonder how useful it will be with the aircraft presumably being on the bottom of the
64 huxrules : As for the sonar search I can shed some light into how past searches were done. Twa 800 might be the most similar - of course there was a very good id
65 airbazar : There could be many other reasons since we don't know the exact origin of the person carrying the stolen passport. They could be Chinese illegal immi
66 btfarrwm : A couple of thoughts... 1) If the petrol slicks being reported are attributable to MH 370, that would suggest the plane was relatively intact at low a
67 Post contains images dtfg : I copied this pic from a Chinese news website who reported the case. Anyone reads Russian confirm it?
68 sassiciai : It would be more acceptable if you quoted the balanced proposal in my earlier post This thread would be more true to its title if it remained focusse
69 747megatop : Correct. Since it is a US made aircraft involved here; the NTSB is triggered. Just a handful of americans being among the passengers does not trigger
70 aerobalance : At cruise the wing is in a clean config. Loss of hyd. power will not change this config.
71 lh648 : Those passports are on western names. It will be highly suspicious for Chinese person to use them.
72 Post contains links zschocheimages : There have been some pretty good real-time updates if you follow the below link: http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.
73 cjg225 : It came from Kadena in Japan. The shallower the depth, the more effective a MAD array is, I believe.
74 IADLHR : For that matter everywhere else too as accidents do happen regardless of where you are. A couple of years ago just in Toronto my wife was in a hurry
75 neutrino : Taiwanese using stolen Italian and Austrian passports (likely with Caucasian identities)? Immigration authorities would smell them miles away.
76 loladaisydukes : Was watching the flight progress of MH370's just now it disappeared. Good thing FR24 tweeted about the bad ADS-B coverage over China. Total relief!
77 BLRAviation : Why are Malaysians so concerned with ethnicity? The 12 crew were all Malaysians. Period.
78 lh648 : Sounds like complete bullshit. Something like: "Russian citizen indeed was checked in, but was unable to get on board of MH370 because his passport w
79 suseJ772 : Agree completely. Even though there were theories all over the place for AF447, looking back it was pretty impressive to see the community look at al
80 Post contains links vr-hkg : Original source is here: http://www.echomsk.spb.ru/news/krimi...rossiyanin-propavshiy-samolet.html Google translation: "Russian missed the plane disa
81 s5daw : If 777 had a non-catastrophic event... e.g. something like AF447, would it be expected to receive similar messages?
82 flylonghaul : Is showing up again east of Hainan. I happened to be watching as well.
83 pilotaydin : Some things to think about.... 1. FO is 27 and very inexperienced on type possibly in training still as per CNN's Quest flight 2. Time of day is a hor
84 UALWN : Ethnic Chinese people trying to board a plane holding Italian and Austrian passports with names like Luigi Maraldi and Christian Koze? It doesn't loo
85 pvjin : Yeah, what about Uighur's? Based on my understanding the Uighur people living in China are more closely related to Europeans than most other populati
86 tortugamon : Right, that is my understanding. I wonder how mission critical the components has to be. I get the engines and the aircraft itself but I imagine its
87 jpetekyxmd80 : If the oil slick does belong to MH370, doesn't it seem too large to remain from an explosive event?
88 David L : "If". It would appear not, though, according to some contributions above.
89 trex8 : Lockerbie bombing never claimed (not by those who actually did it anyway) Don't know about Italy but in the US there are lots of adopted kids who are
90 KarelXWB : It took them two or three days before the first parts of AF447 were discovered. It was a very frustrating period.
91 lh648 : Passports have photographs. And modern passports have photographs printed on them, not glued, so I don't think it's easy to replace the photo. So the
92 lh648 : And IIRC, the first part found was an vertical stabilizer, which is composite on A330 and can float, while 777 have aluminum one.
93 Surfpunk : From what someone posted in the previous thread, I don't know if there's any certainty that it is actually oil/petrochemical in the water there, but
94 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Q/A session: [Edited 2014-03-08 11:45:24]
95 trex8 : Do the PRC authorities, like the US, request airlines provide passenger id before the flight? If not and this is a suicide bombing why would a Uighur
96 Post contains links tortugamon : A good chart on water depth. Its been posted above but this is very detailed. http://www.charts.noaa.gov/NGAViewer/93010.shtml Also, daily beast has a
97 flylonghaul : Was it not also confirmed that the statement from the Vietnamese navy was incorrect?
98 Halophila : Indeed - I have seen these blooms frequently and used to work on them. They're a type of blue-green algae (cyanobacterium) called Trichodesmium, whic
99 cfischaleck : This looks strange somehow. There were reports of radar facilities saying the plane made a left turn during descend ? And also, if the communication
100 lh648 : There's simply not enough satcom capacity in the world if ALL airliners will transmit ALL the data back to HQs.
101 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Correct. Aside from the vertical stabilizer, most of the debris were small parts of the airplane but one of the galley's was found intact as well. [E
102 ZKCIF : This sounds curious. According to the text You copypasted, the lucky Russian guy had been checked in ('zaregistrirovan'/зарегистирован)
103 RobertS975 : Shallow water in the probable crash area will be a blessing for the investigators when compared to the challenges presented by AF447. Wreckage and as
104 B2443 : not to be racial....it won't be if they were held by the Caucasian looking Uighurs Chinese.
105 doug_Or : Communication was lost around 40 minutes into flight. Aircraft was reported missing 2 hours after departure. (as per reports in previous 3 threads).
106 Post contains images KELPkid : That might work if there are significant parts with ferrous metals (e.g. landing gear struts, etc.) The vast majority of the aircraft structure, howe
107 Yirina77 : I´m able to understand Russian. There is written, that there was no Russian citizen onboard of malaysian plane, because passport of Russian passenge
108 KarelXWB : Do we know if some family members received a SMS or call from the passengers before the plane went down?
109 Surfpunk : I've never had any luck getting phone or SMS to work at altitude. Might just be crappy AT&T in the US.
110 s5daw : I thought mobile phones didn't work over open seas?
111 SOBHI51 : The plane was not equipped with WIFI As for phone calls, at 35000 feet over the water don't think they will be a signal.
112 Mike89406 : It's almost daylight there.
113 Toiyabe : I am somewhat certain a MAD array as fitted to the P-3C will not be very helpful in this instance, as there is not enough ferrous material on the airc
114 SEPilot : Apparently you have to subscribe to the service to get the messages; since we have not heard anything about them my suspicion is that MH did not. AF
115 VC10er : God bless all those souls lost. I am so sad and upset, I couldn't even log-in until now. If this turns out to be the work of evil, sign me up.
116 aaexecplat : How about lithium battery fire in the cargo hold? That could cause disintegration.
117 EIDL : Still some valid EU passports with pasted photos around - not for much longer though. Believe it was 2005 that Ireland stopped issuing them, at least
118 flylku : I wonder if his bags made the flight....
119 lh648 : I don't think this story is true as Russian embassy in Malaysia have confirmed Russian citizen onboard.
120 Post contains images flyingturtle : This is a very recent screenshot (8:07 PM GMT) of the area. Just my curiousness: 1. Why didn't today's MH370 take the route flown by CPA659 (and many
121 acabgd : Plenty of time for the crew to request for a divert to another, closer field in order to land asap. No call - no battery fire.
122 flightsimboy : A very sad day firstly as MH is my favourite carrier, and the MH 777 holds a special place as I flew it on the EWR-DXB-KUL v.v flights back in the ear
123 airportugal310 : To speculate on your first question, MAS370 was heading northbound and the flight you point out, CPA659 is heading southbound. I'm sure the tracks ar
124 vfw614 : Since when are checked-in, but non-boarded passengers included on the manifest?
125 Tod : On the 777, like most modern commercial aircraft the cargo smoke detection system would have alerted the crew long before anything catastrophic could
126 7BOEING7 : However it could have been SATCOM equipped in which case as long as they can "see" the satellite they can make phone calls. Many 777's are equipped w
127 danvs : CPA659 seems to be flying on airway L642, which is a one-way airway. Planes flying northeast should take L637 or M765 (to the west) or M771 (to the e
128 huxrules : About the oil slick- in the photo I have seen on CNN there is a clear algal bloom BUT it also looks like there is a light oil sheen to the right to th
129 doug_Or : Would one expect to find debris and an oil sheen at the same place or have there been cases where they occurred in separate locations?
130 fanofjets : So horrible! My thoughts are with the victims and their families.
131 flightsimboy : Thanks for the info. Though I do recall their advertisements refer to them as Super Rangers.
132 flyenthu : I just find it difficult to imagine either scenarios in the modern flying era: 1) mechanical malfunction (be it aircraft issue or due to crew caused),
133 TreeHillRavens : The original question came from the previous thread from another poster who was saying there seemed to be 3 Chinese crew on this flight and I was mer
134 456 : Regarding the 'oil' trail - It has been found for some 10hrs or so by the rescue teams. I think that if it was something of evidence of the plane it h
135 UA787DEN : My biggest question is - DEBRIS? That's whats most boggling to me. I understand that AF447's debris took a while to locate, but due to the conditions
136 AS737MAX : Agreed, seems like there is nothing being found, but locating should be easier than finding AF447.
137 456 : BTW - besides AF447, are there more examples of planes which were missing for some period of time? Like Air India (bomb explosion) near Ireland, or Sw
138 UA787DEN : Anyone have any info on the currents around there? Could the surface debris be floating away from the crash site? If that is the case..perhaps the sea
139 Goodbye : For me I guess the most odd thing about it is that no trace of the aircraft has been found. It's a fairly busy area, they had all day to find some sor
140 pilotaydin : Well it will take a while to find we dont know which direction they flew for the last few minutes
141 DALFA : MS990 that crashed off the coast of Nantucket, but it didn't take that long to find the crash site.
142 zippyjet : May have been asked before; is that stretch of water where the slick was found smooth or choppy? We all send hearfelt prayers to the families of the
143 UA787DEN : Exactly. Does anyone have info as to what areas have already been searched/current search patterns?
144 L1011 : Sometimes you don't know what airline you will be flying on ahead of time. A couple of weeks ago I was booked on MH 9141 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapo
145 apfpilot : With Swissair they found where the aircraft went down pretty quickly it was much closer to shore and they had a distress call to go off of for locati
146 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : This is a pdf with some info about it; http://blog.buu.ac.th/file/anukul/GoT_2D_Circulate.pdf some other info: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1650
147 SInGAPORE_AIR : There is a report that the 'Russian' passenger in fact was not on board and had his passport stolen.
148 Post contains links mercure1 : Today's flight plan. I suspect the missing MAS370 was on the same path. DCT PIBOS R208 IKUKO M076F290 R208 IGARI M765 BITOD N0480F330 L637 TSN N0490F3
149 jetblueguy22 : Hi Everyone, The Moderator Crew understands this is a hot topic and there are many theories floating around. But please refrain from saying anything t
150 SpaceshipDC10 : In the SR 111 case, the pilots had declared emergency and were followed by ATC. Of course it happened at 10:31 PM Atlantic time. During the following
151 BarfBag : AI182's distressed condition was notified immediately by the Shannon ATC, when they disappeared off radar and failed to squawk, just minutes after a
152 tortugamon : I know this has been said but for there to be no communication it does seem like something catastrophic happened. One of the primary ways something li
153 shuttle9juliet : Swissair 11 was located quickly.
154 wxmeddler : Sun will be rising over the crash area within 1 or 2 hours, hopefully we get some solid information then.
155 Web500sjc : There are many reasons that there was no Mayday. Everyone thinks catastrophic failure, which is possible, but it could be something completely differ
156 Post contains links 777Jet : Here is a link to an article with a different picture of the damage to the wing of 9M-MRO after the ground collision incident in 2012: http://www.nbcn
157 WingedMigrator : Maybe that's a clue that there wasn't a big fireball. There are non-explosive failure mechanisms that could conceivably result in a sudden in-flight
158 pilotaydin : Crew composition is crucial! Think simple 777 crew with highly inexperienced fo plus an abnormal situation, doesn't take much to cause chaos in a cock
159 SpaceshipDC10 : Regarding what has been reported as oil spill possibly coming from MH370 wreckage, I'm just going through TSB's report about SR 111 crash and in it it
160 Post contains images loladaisydukes : Today's MH370 successfully landed at PEK. I just wish yesterday's flight was the same.
161 trnswrld : Yeah just like TWA 800. No distress calls and no talks about anything regarding the catastrophe at hand. One second it's there, the next it's not. Wit
162 Post contains links jetfuel : Where is the ACARS transmissions.? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraf...ns_Addressing_and_Reporting_System
163 AS737MAX : Not sure, but does the SR111 report mention if Jet A was burning on top of the ocean at the scene? Seems if MH370 hit the ocean, that the fuel would
164 Ty134A : How about the fuel they found today? Doesn't fuel on the surface of the ocean suggest a rather intact structure of the plane upon impact? I mean, if a
165 shuttle9juliet : Yeah but nobody will believe you!!!! 1000 witnesses lol
166 LTC8K6 : I wonder how much easier it is to see a "fireball" that occurs at ~15K feet like TWA800, vs one at ~35K feet, where MAS370 was?
167 Post contains links jetfuel : http://translate.google.com/translat...altimenews%2F20140308003502-260401 the U.S. Embassy said the 2:43 U.S. military bases stationed in Thailand U-T
168 danvs : According to FR24, at the time MAS370 disappeared from coverage (1720Z, at FL350) the nearest airplanes were: CES539, to the east and heading southwe
169 LTC8K6 : Why wouldn't it be heard by anyone else? The time?[Edited 2014-03-08 14:38:54]
170 Post contains images KELPkid : TWA 800 happened just before sunset, along the south coast of Long Island. This event happened sometime after midnight, local time, in international
171 ajhYXE : I believe the section containing N739PA's fuel tanks remained relatively intact until it plowed in to Lockerbie. However given other evidence it appe
172 SpaceshipDC10 : No, although I haven't done an exhaustive search. At 35K feet, during the night, it would be easier than just before sunset. The explosion could also
173 Post contains links danvs : On sea currents: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current...currents/winkel3=107.13,10.44,2301
174 SEPilot : A small bomb carried into the passenger compartment could cause enough damage to cripple the plane, but not produce a fireball. And the explosion prob
175 rj777 : I feel so bad for the family members who have been at Kuala Lumpur and Beijing Airports for the last day and a half (or more) waiting for word on the
176 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Seems to pretty high shipping intensity in this region although it's hard to say since most ships out on the gulf is too far away from ADS/AIS receiv
177 LTC8K6 : Was there any cloud cover in the area? That could be just enough to obscure a flash. Of course, a small device that breaks open the fuselage wouldn't
178 Viscount724 : I can't recall seeing any reference to that at the time.
179 Post contains links LTC8K6 : I think I do see an oil slick in those pictures. Ignore the sea sawdust. I think you can also see a light oil slick in the photo. Particularly in the
180 UA787DEN : So the exact crash location matters to finding debris - off by even a few miles changes the direction of the current. AFAIK (which admittedly isn't t
181 AS737MAX : Thanks, Viscount. So assuming a CFIT, it slammed into the water like AF447 and SR111, the fuel would end up floating but not burning. Have there been
182 Post contains links UA787DEN : Didn't see this so far...if its already been brought up just ignore: According to many articles, the plane's most recent safety inspection was only 10
183 Morvious : Adamair flight comes to mind. Parts were found days later by a fisherman.
184 tortugamon : The AF477 crash was not a sudden event like this one seemed to be. I believe a little less than 15 minutes passed between the captain leaving and the
185 cjg225 : Possibly. But I don't know if it can be ruled out. Could be worth a try.
186 Toiyabe : To expand, a bit: "OK, so the P-3’s mad would have limited utility. If they localized the crash site and there were big enough pieces left, it coul
187 A388 : Have samples been taken of those oil slicks observed to see if it originates from the MH 777? Maybe it came from a ship who knows. Testing a few sampl
188 SpaceshipDC10 : In Swissair's crash, most of the debris were found on the sea bed. But of course it depends on the state of the aircraft, if it has exploded in milli
189 theaviator380 : Very tragic and upsetting story of this MH370...been reading and listening all day about it now. It may sound stupid but what if pilots might have mad
190 cjg225 : I agree. That's why I said side-scanning sonar would be more effective. I am just saying that in this case you've gotta try anything. You can sweep a
191 B747forever : I agree. I have heard "aviate, navigate, communicate" here on A.net, but unless things evolve rapidly, which seems to have been the case here, I have
192 OldAeroGuy : No, incorrect. While it is true that the A330 vertical is made of composite, the 777 vertical is not made of aluminum. The 777 vertical is composite,
193 cjg225 : I don't spend a huge amount of time on A.net, but I've definitely seen the "aviate, navigate, communicate" discussion quite a bit. I've read a few co
194 acabgd : I thought this was resolved - as in last contact was about 40 minutes into the flight, as the 2hrs was the time when Malaysian was notified their pla
195 LTC8K6 : I thought I just read that the nearest plane was too far away? Reply 170 gives it as 86nm.
196 B747forever : And how many passengers do you think know that? Have seen several times how passengers are confused about code shares. Clearly remember a few months
197 Post contains links and images StarAC17 : One thing that got into my head is that perhaps MH370 could have been brought down by something like a meteor. The planet gets hit every day by them
198 LTC8K6 : Has anyone reported seeing a meteor around that time?
199 KDTWflyer : NBC Nightly News just showed an animation of the purported plane here but the registration on the wing was HL-7742 which was for the Asiana accident a
200 turjo101 : Has the aerial search resumed, now that its morning?
201 SpaceshipDC10 : He doesn't say it was too far away, however one has to consider whether the pilot, from his vantage point, could have seen it if he was looking outsi
202 Mir : Probably because it didn't happen. Any frequency the aircraft would transmit on should be monitored by either ATC or other aircraft (or perhaps both)
203 EXMEMWIDGET : While possible, I would think that a meteor strike would be a very, very remote cause of this incident.
204 aloha73g : With regard to having time to send a message or talk to ATC, a good example of a catastrophic failure at cruise where the pilots DID communicate with
205 gulfstream650 : We are approaching 7am in Vietnam so hopefully we will have some news once the sun has risen.
206 Tod : I doubt anyone is using significant foam core panel construction in 777 galleys. Most often Nomex (or similar) honeycomb core with Kevlar (or similar
207 777Jet : Remember the LAN flight in 2007? From a news source: An Auckland-bound jetliner came close to being hit by blazing pieces of what is thought to have
208 windshear : A bomb sounds more likely than structural failure or space-junk...
209 Post contains links tortugamon : Apparently the FBI is investigating the crash: http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...0308,0,5571373.story#axzz2vQ4QTtx2 I agree. I would imagine that
210 SEPilot : When you stop and examine it that is still pretty far away. Yes, it could happen, but I would put this in one of the least likely causes. If in fact
211 Post contains links vfw614 : "Another U.S. law enforcement official said Interpol keeps a registry of lost and stolen passports that major international airlines routinely check b
212 hivue : It indicates to me that the current moved and dispersed the "slick" over the course of several hours.
213 spacecadet : Pan Am 103 was blown up by a bomb inside a small radio and it created a huge fireball. The fireball was not the result of the initial explosion, but
214 SEPilot : But it clearly happened. That is another possibility, and perhaps a better explanation than mine. The fact that it is two separate slicks says to me
215 777Jet : There was also the Air China 757 which suffered nose cone damage after colliding with a 'foreign object' at 26,000ft last year. There were suggestion
216 Starlionblue : Yes. However in this case the pax boarded in Malaysia, which also requests ID. Indeed, and recorders today are rather different from ones in the 60s.
217 virgin744 : or it was compromised..? or this was a result of something else in the cargo bay that caused an unintended explosion..?
218 F9Animal : I agree that a bomb or intentional nose dive seem to be the strongest possibilities. I noticed one Ukraine citizen was on the manifest. Not saying it'
219 CaliAtenza : Just saw the Malaysian Aviation Authority news conference ...no new answers and the spokesman said no abnormal data was received.
220 Post contains links Pellegrine : I have to agree with 802flyguy in that www.straitstimes.com has the absolute best coverage right now. Not much else to be said.
221 hivue : Does this mean data (ACARS) was received but it was not abnormal or does it mean no data at all was received?
222 CaliAtenza : he didn't seem clear at all when he answered the question. All he said was yes we have that type of system and no, we did not receive any abnormal da
223 hivue : So possibly they do have ACARS. Interesting, especially if they really did not see anything abnormal transmitted.
224 acabgd : Actually I didn't know about this incident. Taking into account the number of daily flights all over the world and the fact that meteors, although ra
225 CaliAtenza : yeah that is interesting. Also, shouldn't the rescue ships/planes have picked up the pingers of the black boxes by now?
226 Starlionblue : I thought about this some more, and I really can't see the use of an "emergency button". If the crew is so busy with aviate and navigate that they do
227 SEPilot : But that would have been from the fuel igniting. That is not a given; depending on the size of the bomb and its placement it could breach the fuselag
228 OldAeroGuy : I agree. My point was that a vertical tail made out of composite isn't guaranteed to float and that galley structure was more likely to do so.
229 hivue : Maybe I've missed something. Has a "large oil (fuel) slick" actually been verified. I've just seen one photo from a long way off which a marine scien
230 milestones787 : If I see another article using a picture of a Malaysian A380 or 737, I think I'll go mad. This is so misleading and they can and should take the extra
231 Starlionblue : Crap coverage always comes up and the moderators have even addressed it. Yes, the press is not perfect. However most likely the readers can't tell th
232 awthompson : I traveled on MAS via KUL in January and February. I found security tight and as you have suggested, there was a further security scanning booth befo
233 suseJ772 : Sorry. Wasn't trying to imply the average passenger would know that. But I would think the average anet-er would know that, so it was more in respons
234 Post contains links flyenthu : Not sure if this is already up, but I just saw this: http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...3%2F7.502513%2F7.576448%2F7.576448
235 gulfstream650 : Here come the hypoxia theories.........
236 osiris30 : Well except for the fact you would have had radar coverage of at least a partial decent if it was just incapacitated crew.
237 Post contains images BOStonsox : Interesting. That makes it sound like it's something other than terrorism, which I hope it is. And of course, I hope there are survivors out there as
238 gulfstream650 : Agreed. And a good point.
239 Post contains links vietcolin : Here's update from Vietnam local news agencies: http://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/thoi-su...-van-vet-dau-loang-2961240-p2.html Helicopters have moved from
240 Mir : If there was radar coverage of the area. -Mir
241 Starlionblue : Quite. I don't give hypoxia much credence with current information. The aircraft would have been on autopilot in LNAV/VNAV. Even without pilots, it w
242 osiris30 : Nit pick... Radar, ADSB, etc. some form of positioning data.
243 danvs : There was a Malaysia Airlines A330 (KUL-KIX) which was ahead but a lot closer to MH370... I wonder why Vietnamese ATC didn't ask this crew instead.
244 propilot83 : God Bless their souls, another plane tragedy with one of the most sophisticated Boeing jetliners in history...the 777. We'll have to wait until wrecka
245 awthompson : Going to sleep now (UK). Hopefully next day will bring news of discovery of crash area, and I'm sure this will be on part 5! I've read every single po
246 spacecadet : I've seen that report about "smoke" too, which makes absolutely no sense. Smoke both rises and disperses pretty quickly. As it's doing so, it's prett
247 PilotRecruit : I'm a little bit behind here, but I fly this airway quite frequently (from Singapore) and as someone has mentioned, very common to be held down for lo
248 vietcolin : So far all fisher men in the region have well informed to participate in to SAR. Until now, no any fisher man report any thing about MH370, they saw n
249 StarAC17 : Meteors hitting the earth are actually really common but I reckon most don't hit anything and are unseen. Furthermore even though there have been mor
250 Dalavia : I hope this doesn't get lost as I suspect thread 5 will have to be started soon, but in the mire of rumours some points seem to have emerged and not b
251 hivue : I think they haven't been questioned because they appear to be accurate. Whether they have anything at all to do with the aircraft going missing rema
252 Post contains links and images mercure1 : Based on the following routing: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...0/history/20140308/1635Z/WMKK/ZBAA Here is the likely planned flight track: Her
253 Skydrol : This is a very interesting point... how could it be with so many boats in the area, nobody reported seeing anything? LD4
254 Starlionblue : "Many boats" doesn't mean a carpet of them. It was the middle of the night. While fishing boats often operate at night, the sea is a big place and an
255 Miami : If this indeed was a hijacking. Do you think the hijackers flew farther away from where people think it may have crashed?
256 PHX787 : This looks like pure speculation. Unless that flight can surrender its black box over to authorities and those pilots submit for questioning and all
257 Post contains links aerocabin : Just watched on CNN and read online that apparently four passengers are being investigated: Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Malaysia probing two more
258 WingedMigrator : It was the dead of night, and the moon had just set. Pitch black conditions.
259 ltbewr : The use of stolen passports by at least 2 possible passengers on this flight is very disturbing. I expect an intense investigation by Malaysian govern
260 uberflieger : As an Austrian and Italian citizen you need a Visa to travel to China, which makes these fake travelers even more significant. They had to apply in p
261 atnight : I have a question, does anyone have a list or information on which large commercial aircraft has the best record on safety? I always thought the B777
262 Starlionblue : It is possible but even if they turned off the transponder primary radar could still have tracked the flight. Unless they went all Hollywood and flew
263 mandala499 : I usually avoid the first 24hrs of an accident from posting in a.net... I guess that policy still does do me well. This is what people miss... It's co
264 Braniff747SP : This is key. Had they been traveling to nations that did not require visas for their passports, there would be a good possibility that they were trav
265 zeke : There have been early rumours that China wants to make sure there is no connection with the recent attack in Kunming. Nothing but another rumour.
266 asetiadi : Can somebody tell me what was the weather in that area where the plane missing? Heavy Turbulence maybe? I am not so sure about hijacking. if it's inde
267 Starlionblue : Austrians and Italians, among others, can enter China through Beijing and a few other cities on visa-free transit status for 72 hours.
268 cerecl : I don't see how this is going to add anything. MH370 is a codeshare flight with CZ. There is nothing abnormal with booking via CZ.
269 Post contains links Starlionblue : Lots of stats here http://aviation-safety.net/statistics/ but "safest airliner" stats per se do not have much value except for crap headlines. All ai
270 specks159 : It was posted somewhere in one of the earlier threads, but weather in the area was clear at the time the flight lost contact. I don't believe there w
271 danvs : FYI, it has been posted that Italians and Austrians (besides some other nationalities) do not need visas to enter China if they're in transit. It's p
272 CyberEntomology : "In case of a water landing, your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device". If MAS370 had disintegrated in midair or on impact, it would seem t
273 PacNWJet : There is always the possibility that if the passengers had nefarious intent they could have had accomplices working on the inside at MH. I'm not sugg
274 vr-hkg : Tweet from the acting Transport Minister for Malaysia's communications team, 21 minutes ago: https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442506703288815616 "T
275 Post contains images Starlionblue : It may just be that the sea is large and a plane is comparatively small, but you are right that we're not talking half the Atlantic. Your diversion s
276 hivue : What makes you think that?
277 uberflieger : Do airlines actually verify Visas? I have no idea. I always assumed once the agent confirms the stamp in your Passport it's a go. Of course there is
278 PilotRecruit : The weather around here has been pretty much spectacular for the last month or so. There definitely wouldn't have been any thunderstorms and I would
279 USAIRWAYS321 : Not if passengers are strapped in on top of those seat cushions.
280 CyberEntomology : Most of the Gulf of Thailand is 150-200' deep.
281 Post contains links JetBuddy : The latest news are that there now seems like there were 4 people with false identities on board the aircraft. I can link to an article in Norwegian.
282 vr-hkg : New Straits Times just tweeted that *four* passengers believed to be flying on stolen passports are now being investigated: "Intelligence agencies,cou
283 Starlionblue : They do. If a person does not have valid documentation on arrival, the airline has to pay to fly that person back. Of course, the agent can also miss
284 PilotRecruit : And not a single passenger on the plane got in contact with anyone?? Sounds like a ridiculous tweet to me.
285 Post contains links flyenthu : There's a timeline of events from the reliable Strait Times (bottom of page in link below). Can someone explain the 1:22am and 2:41 am points to me? h
286 CyberEntomology : According to the FlightAware track log, they had just reached cruising altitude and leveled off, In good weather. Pretty good chance that more than a
287 Starlionblue : I saw the same. I think this can be explained by the one hour time difference between Malaysia and Vietnam. 1:22am in Vietnam is 2:22am in Malaysia.
288 uberflieger : You just buy a ticket and go? No bureaucracy?
289 CyberEntomology : Hah, hadn't even thought of that, but yeah. North Korea? Either that or they're on the same island as Oceanic 815.
290 Mir : The seat cushions don't have to be floatable if the aircraft has life vests. Any aircraft that crosses oceans is going to have the vests. So it is no
291 Post contains images SEA : Oahu???
292 vr-hkg : I'm not judging the veracity of the tweet, just pointing it out. It's from an official source, and suggests there will be a press conference in about
293 Starlionblue : Well, not much bureaucracy. It's a new rule since 2013. - You must register with police within 24 hours. - Stay in China has to be less than 72 hours
294 CyberEntomology : So they would have signed off with Subang ATC, and disappeared before checking in with Ho Chi Minh? Curiouser and Curiouser.
295 SEA : How would they (a passenger) have been able to contact anyone over the sea?
296 KFlyer : Starlionblue, I think this was all led by a mistake from the MH PR team (and we cannot blame them, for they must have been under so much pressure). Th
297 Braniff747SP : They do, as they would need to need to fly them back on their own dime if they are denied.
298 StarAC17 : Do we know if they checked any Luggage? If they did then perhaps they could examine any luggage screening that occurred. It has been mentioned but if
299 wisborg : I went from Sydney to Europe via Guangzhou in June 2012, and yes I just bought the ticket, in Guangzhou walked through the transfer "immigration" and
300 Wayfarer515 : That would be the A340 and the IL-96, both of them have suffered zero accidents involving fatalities IIRC, so statistically their total fatalities pe
301 xiaotung : Yes, airlines do verify visas before a boarding pass can be issued but PEK has a 72 hour visa free policy as long as the traveller can present an onw
302 Post contains images uberflieger : I remember reading about it. My Chinese Visa has long expired and because I no longer do business there, never checked into it. While this may elimin
303 Starlionblue : Just for the record, I didn't post that. The poster was atnight. In any case those statistics are near useless as I said.
304 cx828 : Just curious, is that 777-200 or 77E as according to planspotters, MH only have 77E.
305 AS737MAX : Here is the article mentioned by JetBuddy in Reply 283: (Confirming 4 mystery identities aboard) Malaysia Airlines has night Norwegian time held a pr
306 danvs : I know I'm going to be nitpicky, but... Is there a real Subang ARTCC/FIR or is it in fact Kuala Lumpur (WMFC) ARTCC/FIR? Are the media confusing the l
307 Reffado : I hope the remains are found today. The simple sight of them will answer or at least clear up many things. I understand that this may have been a terr
308 Post contains links desh : CNN USA is stating the Malaysian authorities are contacting counter terrorism orgs due to the passport issues http://www.cnn.com/ Anyone know what the
309 Starlionblue : As far as I know it is a 777-200ER. However many news outlets have been omitting the "ER" and even the "-200". zeke corrected me in a previous thread
310 asetiadi : Three possible scenario: 1. The plane got hit by a missile / Unknown Object from space. 2. In flight break up due to structural issues since this plan
311 Reffado : Agreed! But I think we can all agree that the "fix" made the A330 even safer, not leaving room for incorrect pilot action as in flight 447. I too thi
312 Starlionblue : All these three are possible, but it seems strange that there has been nothing to show for it so far. An in-flight breakup or explosion at cruise wou
313 henkita217 : Asetiadi, 9M-MRO was only 11 year young. Planes aren't design to break apart, just like that. Otherwise, a certificate of air unworthiness would apply
314 BoeingGuy : Something I struggle with in a tragedy like this is what I hope they find. Another poster stated that he hopes to God it wasn't an act of terrorism. I
315 timpdx : Or if you are going with ill intent, you can check in with MH and no Chinese visa, and make up a story/ fake internet printout that you are continuing
316 turjo101 : A lot of people are pointing at a sudden catastrophic event like EXPLOSIVE...I have read 2 posts about hypoxia and how in that scenario the crew may h
317 spacecadet : I didn't think it was all that strange in the beginning (well, except that crashes in general are rare) but it is starting to get a little weird, esp
318 Starlionblue : While age plays a major part in fatigue, in-flight breakups and the like have been precipitated by incorrectly repaired damage, for example JAL123 an
319 Starlionblue : Very interesting scenario. In a similar vein, I recall the UPS flight 6 accident in the middle east a few years ago where there was a cargo fire. The
320 wxmeddler : The only thing that doesn't make sense for a terrorism attack is that no org. has claimed responsibility. The whole point of a terrorist org. is to te
321 spacecadet : I pointed out in one of the earlier threads that many large-scale terrorist attacks are never claimed by anybody. You don't need to claim responsibil
322 StarAC17 : I think the check-in agents are able to check if an onward ticket even on another airline with no relationship is legitimate or not. It is in an airl
323 vr-hkg : "Authorities have CCTV recording of the 2 passengers checking in using the fake passports: Civil aviation chief" https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/sta
324 Halophila : Though I think this is an accident, and agree that all signs point to an aircraft loss, I can't help but have a feeling that it's still intact. Not t
325 vr-hkg : "Possibility of plane turnback, deviated from flight path, investigators looking at recordings on radar" https://twitter.com/NST_Online/status/4425280
326 Post contains links turjo101 : http://www.scmp.com/frontpage/international possible sighting of debris.
327 AF185 : Even though it is hard to imagine, we cannot rule it out. Pilot suicide is also a possibility (we can refer to the LAM case a few months ago)
328 vr-hkg : "Search has extended to Straits of Malacca: Malaysia armed forces chief" https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/status/442529033931079680
329 timpdx : Debris looks kinda uniform, but that could be because those are the parts of the plane that float...could be seat cushions like suggested earlier....o
330 Halophila : Intriguing.
331 tortugamon : That is some small pieces of debris. I wonder if this is the beginning. tortugamon
332 Reffado : I don't know what to think of that picture. Looks like could even be a city lit up at night?
333 Post contains links vr-hkg : There are three pictures from the user mentioned by the SCMP. You may need to be signed into Weibo to see them: http://weibo.com/u/1791630315 http://w
334 LTC8K6 : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiQO9p5CQAAd1-B.jpg Well, there is the best version of the "debris" pic I could find.
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