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JAL 787 Emergency Landing At HNL  
User currently offlinepiedmont727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 37384 times:

Friend on instagram posted this picture just now http://instagram.com/p/lTP6wAC-99/ , was SFO bound and is surrounded by emergency trucks , anyone have any info , not good for the 787  

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User currently offlinetp1040 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37307 times:

Your link does not work for me.

User currently offlineTigerguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37310 times:

Well, it's a bit too early to say whether or not it's bad for the 787. Could have been a medical emergency or some other thing. Also, the link seems to be broken.


Flying friendly for a while, but is that a widget I see in the rear-view mirror?
User currently offlinesiren From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 345 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37227 times:

Bad URL to the photo, it comes up as "Not Found".

I did check - it was apparently an HND-SFO flight, JAL flight 2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...2/history/20140308/1505Z/RJTT/KSFO


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37225 times:

Nothing shows up on my alerts so I'm guessing it could be a med emergency


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User currently offlinepiedmont727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37136 times:

I apoligize about the bad link , the acount name is geminijetsinsider if u want to look i think it may be my browser messing the link up

User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1772 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37132 times:

None of JAL's 787 routes don't go anywhere near HNL, the flight to SFO goes way north and would be closer by hours to a dozen other runways. Unless the jet stream is way out of wack today.

Whoa, I apologize, the route right now is way farther south than one would expect.

[Edited 2014-03-08 16:28:31]

User currently offlinewxmeddler From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37061 times:

They also dropped from FL400 to FL250 and reduced speed from ~550kts to ~380 kts.

Edit: As per FlightAware

[Edited 2014-03-08 16:22:02]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 36822 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 6):
None of JAL's 787 routes don't go anywhere near HNL, the flight to SFO goes way north and would be closer by hours to a dozen other runways. Unless the jet stream is way out of wack today.

The Flightaware map and flight planned route in Reply 3 shows a southerly route. That seems to be roughly in line with current jetstream maps available on numerous sites. One here.
http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=glob_250


User currently offlinewxmeddler From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 36694 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 6):

Just checked the 200mb level winds, 150kts right across the pacific, most economical route would be ~450nm N of HNL.

ie. Not the usual great circle route.

Time sensitive link of 200mb winds.
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/data/gfs/18/gfs_npac_006_200_wnd_ht_l.gif


User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1772 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 36487 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=glob_250
Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 9):

http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/data/gfs/18...l.gif

Thanks, that's something you don't see everyday.


User currently offlinedanvs From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 36489 times:

There's a recording of JAL2 on final approach for 8L calling HNL tower.
It sounded to me that the crew asked the tower to look for oil on the runway and something else I couldn't understand.

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/phnl/PHNL-Twr-Mar-08-2014-2300Z.mp3
On the 24:42 mark.

[Edited 2014-03-08 16:43:45]

User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3674 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 35729 times:

I can't get the second part either, but that does not sound like a medical emergency to me. Sounds like he's asking for some kind of inspection.


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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 35511 times:

Looking for oil on the runway and a quick decent would point to an engine shutdown for oil quantity loss. Sounds like they sent AFS out for him also.

Twitter says the aircraft is JA829J which was the Boston battery fire aircraft..

[Edited 2014-03-08 17:49:45]


BV
User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34504 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 13):
Twitter says the aircraft is JA829J which was the Boston battery fire aircraft..

And confirmed via flight aware. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JA829J


User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1772 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34284 times:

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 7):
They also dropped from FL400 to FL250 and reduced speed from ~550kts to ~380 kts.

I would suggest they either pulled an engine back to idle or shut it down. FL250 looks to be close to engine out cruise altitude.


User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34048 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):

Do you work for JAL? What kind of "alerts" do you get?



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 33827 times:

Here you go..."hydraulic issues"

http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/#!/newsDetail/24923880



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 33381 times:

Actually, usually the westbounds fly lower than the great circle route. On all of the Japan-US flights I've been on we hit the US coast around Washington or Oregon.


oh boy!!!
User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3674 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 33204 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 17):
Here you go..."hydraulic issues"

Link says engine shutdown. Could be the same problem somehow, I guess.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 33022 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 19):

Second line says hydraulic issues, unless the I get a different link on the old iPad.

CNBC reports that the pilot declared an emergency for a hydraulic issue.



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3674 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32756 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 20):
unless the I get a different link on the old iPad.

Could be - your link goes to the mobile site, which gave me a huge, pixelated image on PC, so I went to the main site. I didn't see any second line there.

http://connect.hawaiinewsnow.com/Media/6193692

I don't really know what an engine shutdown would have to do with hydraulics, but I guess there could be some link I'm not aware of.



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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1772 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32281 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 21):
I don't really know what an engine shutdown would have to do with hydraulics, but I guess there could be some link I'm not aware of.

And there's also no reason to descend from FL400 to FL250 for a hydraulic problem.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 31783 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 16):

I have contacts all over the world and within airlines. My contacts with JL are quite unreliable.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 17):

Thanks. I appreciate what my sources can't get me haha



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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 31234 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 21):
I don't really know what an engine shutdown would have to do with hydraulics, but I guess there could be some link I'm not aware of.

Don't you lose presurisation of one hydraulic system if you lose an engine? So maybe indirectly hydraulic.. And CNN have no exatly covered themselves in glory on MH370 reporting.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 22):
And there's also no reason to descend from FL400 to FL250 for a hydraulic problem.

Nope.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 20):
Second line says hydraulic issues, unless the I get a different link on the old iPad.
Quote:
787 Airliner met with emergency vehicles after shutting down an engine in flight.



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25 kl692 : only 171 people on board! isn't that low numbers for such flight?
26 Post contains links Stitch : JL's 787-8s seat 186 so that was a pretty full load (even if that number includes crew). The 787 has three independent hydraulic systems, two of which
27 TruemanQLD : Wow 186! JQ on the other end fits 335passengers, thats nearly double! - I know why this is but just interesting. Lets hope its just an isolated issue
28 Mark2fly1034 : Dang and I saw that plan in HND right before we left. Thats crazy to think about.
29 seat55a : On the liveatc (link in reply 11) I hear "request stop on the runway for oil or fuel leak inspection" Suggests that someone saw leaking fluid and the
30 777stl : On a traditional airliner you would, but this is the all electric wunder-aircraft. All three hydraulic systems are at least partially electrically dr
31 7BOEING7 : If you shut an engine down with the fuel control switch the engine will continue to windmill providing hydraulics until the airspeed gets to low. You
32 7BOEING7 : If you suspect a fuel leak you now have a fuel leak checklist which depending on which branch of the checklist you follow you may end up shutting dow
33 BoeingGuy : This is not true on a "traditional" airliner either. All Boeing airplanes (except I don't know the 737 very well) have Hydraulic Demand Pumps as back
34 7BOEING7 : 737 has two engine driven, two electrical. Depends on how you shutoff the engine -- see Reply 31.
35 BoeingGuy : Are you saying that if you pull the fire handle, it will completely disable that side Hydraulic System? Why won't the Electrical Driven Demand Pump k
36 airlinebuilder : I hope this whole B787 episode would be the sole dip in the Boeing product line and none else would follow, if by any thought of any complacency then
37 jpetekyxmd80 : I was wondering why I saw her today at HNL She was parked at gate 25 when i left.
38 Post contains links and images kengo : More pictures of JL 787 at HNL. http://hnlrarebirds.blogspot.jp/2014...ines-787-8-dreamliner-ja-829j.html Based on the link, it looks like JL will beg
39 Post contains links specks159 : http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/.../jal-dreamliner-makes/1026346.html This article states that the right engine was shutdown in flight due to low
40 Stitch : A UA 787-8 flying London-Houston had to divert to Newark due to a low-oil indication in one of the GEnx engines on 20 June, 2013.
41 Revelation : My reading of Reply 31 tells me the opposite: yes, the engine pump depressurizes, but the electric backup is still in place.
42 ikramerica : This is not uncommon. With 150 787s in service, the occasional leak indicator event should not really be news. I've been in two non-787s with this iss
43 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : That's 2 in 80,000+ flights -- that's less than I experienced in my career of considerably fewer flights.
44 SInGAPORE_AIR : From JAL: "During flight, the right engine oil pressure and quantity showed decreasing tendency, so the diversion to the nearest airport, Honolulu was
45 ikramerica : That's pretty much how things went on my 757 flight though they also deployed the RAT. Had they spent a few more minutes going through the checklist t
46 Post contains images airportugal310 : So Japanese-English written...I love it. Having done a ton of business in Japan, it always makes me chuckle a little I'm sure my Japanese sounds terr
47 Post contains links Viscount724 : JL is also the only 787 operator with 8-abreast (2-4-2) seating in Y class on all their 787s which further reduces the seating density. http://www.ja
48 tortugamon : When Airbus launched the A350 in 2006 I am sure that a Q4 2014 EIS would not have been considered 'on-schedule'. The A380 had in-service 'issues' as
49 ikramerica : A380s have had engine oil indicator diversions and aircraft taken out of service. At first it was news, now it's not. It's inherent in ALL airframes.
50 zeke : Boeings database currently shows around 120 deliveries.
51 PassedV1 : Just to clarify what some posters may be getting tripped up on...just because power is lost from a hydraulic system does not mean that there will be a
52 Post contains links Viscount724 : As a sidenote, another JL 787 (JA832J) en route from NRT to BOS diverted to YWG on Sunday due to a medical emergency. Photos in following news item. h
53 PHX787 : Guys, every single minor incident with 787s will be completely scrutinized by the media for the next 5 years. Lets stop making a huge deal out of it.
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