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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108894 times:
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As part 4 is became quite long, it was locked for further contributions. Part 5 is now open for further discussion:

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 109086 times:

Anyone else thinking that the oil streaks may be due to dumping fuel as they were returning back to KUL?

That debris field mentioned late in previous thread looks ominous.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 265):
As in the case of AF447... they didn't... by the time they did... they were swamped with their own problems.

I would argue that they really didn't diagnose that they were in grave danger until it was way too late. That was kinda my point. They were confused more than anything.

Quoting danvs (Reply 273):
it has been posted that Italians and Austrians (besides some other nationalities) do not need visas to enter China if they're in transit.

They can transfer for multiple days. Doesn't need to be just a layover. If these guys are to blame don't we think that the visas don't really matter anyway because evidently they were planning on making a move before that?

Quoting Reffado (Reply 309):
Is it something with the 777? Will this crash reveal serious issues with parts as AF 447 did? There are a lot of these planes flying around, I hope whatever happened here is an isolated case.

There have been over 5 million flights on 777 and up until the last year, zero deaths from flight operations (one ground crew accident as he was trying to fill the plane with gas). Its a very safe plane.

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 312):
Pilot hijacking is not possible given the track records of both pilots.

The ET pilot that just hijacked a 767 and flew it to Zurich had a similar record to the copilot.

tortugamon


User currently offlinevr-hkg From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108877 times:

Reposting here as my last post in the other thread came after the cut and will likely be deleted:

"Plane's turn back was seen on military radar; one reason for the turn back was to return to KLIA: Air force chief"
https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/status/442530590022066176

"5 passengers did not board flight, their bags were removed from the plane: Civil aviation chief"
https://twitter.com/STcom/status/442531277925650432

"Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Debris spotted but unclear if it's from MH370, says Chinese official"
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...otted-unclear-if-its-mh370-chinese


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2973 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108888 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 1):
Quoting Reffado (Reply 309):
Is it something with the 777? Will this crash reveal serious issues with parts as AF 447 did? There are a lot of these planes flying around, I hope whatever happened here is an isolated case.

There have been over 5 million flights on 777 and up until the last year, zero deaths from flight operations (one ground crew accident as he was trying to fill the plane with gas). Its a very safe plane.

And the one accident wasn't the fault of the airplane. In fact, it was in some ways a testimony to the airplane. A 777 slams into a concrete wall and cartwheels down the runway and only two people are killed in the crash. Still too many and tragic, but the design of the airplane prevented far more deaths.

Over 1000 build over 20 years and about as flawless of a safety record as you can get. Yeah, there is something wrong with the airplane (sarcasm intended).


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108739 times:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiQO9p5CQAAd1-B.jpg

Link to debris field pic.

Looks too uniform to me.


User currently offlineReffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108357 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Yeah, there is something wrong with the airplane (sarcasm intended).

I never said there was, don't get me wrong. I do know that the 777 is a very safe plane. But then again, so was the A330 before AF 447. We all know that something really small can turn into a big disaster when it comes to aviation. I'm just pointing out a possibility, which, IMHO, is much more likely than say, a meteor hitting the plane.


User currently offlineflyenthu From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108374 times:
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I had a question about the timeline (my last post) and CNN is reporting that:

"The Boeing 777-200ER departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 a.m. Saturday in good weather, and it was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700-kilometer) trip.
Air traffic controllers in Subang, outside Kuala Lumpur, lost contact with the plane about 1:30 a.m., Rahman said. Earlier, the airline said the jetliner lost contact at 2:40 a.m."

Thus, the plane had been airborne for less than an hour before losing contact with Subang ATC. Does this sound about right??


User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108412 times:

If that photo was taken at the same time as the photographer took his seatback map display image, this is well north of the supposed location.

User currently offlinedrew777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2013, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108344 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 4):
Looks too uniform to me.

And taken from 11,000 meters. So they would need to be large uniform pieces.


User currently offlineasetiadi From Indonesia, joined May 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108323 times:
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Is there any possibilities that we are looking this plane in the wrong area? Remember adam air case?

User currently offlineturjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108392 times:

Quoting vr-hkg (Reply 2):
"Plane's turn back was seen on military radar; one reason for the turn back was to return to KLIA: Air force chief"
https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/status/442530590022066176

If the plane was turning back, but the pilots had no time to either call 'pan' or 'mayday', or squawk hijack, then couldn't it be that they were occupied with something serious...like a cockpit fire + loss of oxygen?
***Cockpit fire like that on EgyptAir 772 ER.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYV_K7FAI5g


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108458 times:

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/large/6aca1bebjw1ee97m0dug6j20xc18g447.jpg

Higher res version.


User currently offlineflyenthu From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108000 times:
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Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 4):

Hmmm....any confirmation? Looks like some type of debris to me...not sure of what though.


User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 108015 times:

If that photo was taken at the same time as the photographer took his seatback map display image, this is well north of the supposed location.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21512 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 107714 times:

Reposting from the last thread in case it gets deleted:

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 322):
The only thing that doesn't make sense for a terrorism attack is that no org. has claimed responsibility. The whole point of a terrorist org. is to terrorize, thus make a claim on their attack.


Let's assume for the sake of argument that it was terrorism, and that a bomb exploded onboard. Eventually, that would be discovered by investigators, and at that point the public would know. If the public doesn't know who did it, that's not going to make those who would feel uncomfortable flying any less uncomfortable. So there's no real need to claim responsibility in order to terrorize - normally a group claims responsibility if they want a certain set of demands met. If a group does claim responsibility, however, then they can be fairly sure that China will be coming after them and coming after them hard and fast (likely other countries as well, but China would be the main one). They may not want to deal with that. It all comes down to whether the terrorists involved would rather be public figures for as long as it takes China to catch up with them or would rather not be public figures but retain the ability to operate for a longer period of time. Both are valid options depending on their agenda.

But we're getting way ahead of ourselves here, as there is no evidence that it was terrorism, and I prefer to not go down that road unless there are solid signs pointing that way.

-Mir



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User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 107731 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 11):
Quoting timpdx (Reply 7):

I concur. If this was in the middle of the ocean, I'd be inclined to say "that's it!". But if this is where the IFE map says it is, then it's probably trash or other debris from SGN...



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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 107676 times:

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 12):
Hmmm....any confirmation? Looks like some type of debris to me...not sure of what though.

No confirmation, and I don't expect any.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21512 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 107088 times:

Quoting drew777 (Reply 8):
Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 4):
Looks too uniform to me.

And taken from 11,000 meters

If that's taken from 11,000 meters, there's no way that could be debris. Too spread out, and far too many burning pieces (which are most likely lights on the ground).

-Mir



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User currently offlinevr-hkg From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 107074 times:

Reply to post 338 from the previous thread: "If that moving map photo is the correct location of where those photos were taken, I would contest that it is debris/trash from the mainland... "

I would concur. Looks too uniform in size, and too densely packed to be debris that's been awash for this long.

From the SCMP info that this was an MAS flight from Peking to Kuala Lumpur arriving Sunday AM, and the timestamp on the moving map, it'd presumably be 1h 35m or so before arrival on this flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...1/history/20140308/1730Z/ZBAA/WMKK

No track log though, so can't place where it'd have been more precisely than in the pic, but it sure looks pretty close to land and well away from the previous search area, not to mention even further from the just-declared search area in the Straits of Malacca. I'm thinking this is a red herring from the SCMP.


User currently offlineAS737MAX From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 106724 times:

Is this "debris" glowing?


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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 106444 times:

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/20_employees_of_freescale_semi.html

20 employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Texas were aboard missing Malaysia Airlines plane


User currently offlineKaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 106387 times:

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 19):
Is this "debris" glowing?

What time local was the photo taken? Could have been the orange glow from the sunrise.



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 106394 times:

If it's not from MH370, what else could it be from?

User currently offlineasetiadi From Indonesia, joined May 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 106166 times:
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I am soo pissed that my country didnt send or offer any help in finding the plane. And 7 of our citizens aboard that plane.

User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 106112 times:

Looking at the replies in the previous threads, I realise there is very little understanding about this part of the world.

Firstly, Malaysia is not an Islamic state. 60% of its population is Muslim and some in the country want the state to be Islamic but it is technically secular. The royalty has been playing varying degrees in politics over the years but the first king of Malaysia post independence said the state is secular and always be.

Secondly, some have asked why some of the crew names sound 'Western' and some sound Chinese.. Malaysia and Singapore (the other country in the Malayan Peninsula) are ethnically diverse. Different from Japan in that regard for comparison. Malaysians an Singaporeans are largely ethnic Malay, Chinese, Indian, Eurasian and a huge number of ethnic minorities. Citizens from both countries could look like anything and have names that sound like anything. My dad who is Singaporean like me has medium-brown hair and green eyes.


25 mandala499 : You look at it from the last known spot. Now hearing the military wanting to search for the aircraft in the Malacca straits only gets me to shake my
26 flyenthu : "Plane's turn back was seen on military radar; one reason for the turn back was to return to KLIA: Air force chief" This seems like a real piece of in
27 vr-hkg : 5:39am Ho Chi Minh City time, assuming it was taken at the same time as the moving map image. (Which seems likely.) So yes, right around sunrise.
28 LTC8K6 : We don't even know what it's a picture of... Might even be lights from boats or a city...
29 huxrules : The last photo says "local time at departure 6:39" so it's before sunrise. I think this is either fire out at sea or more likely villages at night. We
30 AS737MAX : Reply 18 estimates about 1:35 before 8:14 am, so roughly 6:20am
31 tortugamon : The point is that you determine how safe an airplane is by how few accidents it has over a certain number of flights. There have been 5+ million flig
32 AS737MAX : I believe Singapore has sent out a C130 to search, not 100% sure
33 LTC8K6 : What would cause a pilot to turn back without saying anything or squawking anything?
34 BoeingVista : From thread 3 : A cockpit fire, with loss of pilot oxygen would account for this mystery, maybe even the muffled sounds reported by the plane ahead of
35 Post contains links Mir : Article 3 of their constitution says otherwise: Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in
36 flyenthu : "It would be great to get a pilot's perspective but I don't think you initiate a complete 180 to fly back to KUL without alerting ATC for a vector and
37 penguins : Given the lack of debris in that area, that theory seems plausible. To return to KUL, I do not know. If MH370 was some how off course then that could
38 vr-hkg : Clock says 6:39am at departure (Beijing), which is one hour after Ho Chi Minh City time (nearest city), so that puts it at 5:39am local. Sunrise in H
39 Kaphias : Looking at the sunrise times for the area, and having spent enough time living near and flying over the water, and flying over cities at night... thi
40 Post contains images Coal : This is NOT a pic of the debris. I fly HKG-SIN twice every week on UA and I have seen this. This pic was taken at night. They're actually flower plant
41 vr-hkg : "Chief of Air Force: Baffled by no signal from emergency beacon on plane." https://twitter.com/H2OComms/status/442535824379215872 "Chief of Air Force:
42 vr-hkg : The photo is from 11,000 meters / 36,000 feet, remember. That would be a HECK of a lot of plywood from that height. "Chief of Air Force: Baffled by n
43 wxmeddler : From cruise? I'm thinking that's rural lights not debris.
44 dtfg : MAS confirmed the reports of aircraft that was flying near MH370 and contacted them were false.
45 rdu2sfo : For those who are from the region/more knowledgable than I...is my google mapping correct that the Malacca straight is on the other side of the penins
46 dirktraveller : I'm not sure if anyone have discussed this before but I was curious. Regarding the 2 mysterious passengers with stolen passports, did any more informa
47 flyenthu : "Also regarding a turnback, wouldn't that have been captured on the fr24 track? Is there a reason that might only have been captured by military radar
48 drew777 : Yes, that would be the west coast
49 Coal : Correct, but it seems bizarre they are now looking over in the Malacca Strait. EXACTLY! See my reply above. They are flower farms in Vietnam, NOT deb
50 Post contains images AAEXPlat :
51 Post contains images LTC8K6 : I meant to put "debris", as I am sure it isn't.
52 wxmeddler : Not if there was a major electrical malfunction and the transponder went out. If they are looking in the Malacca straight, it could be that they had
53 Kaphias : I'll take your experience in the area over my less educated guess. Can you find an example of the farms on Google Earth/Satelitte maps that shows som
54 Post contains images Coal : Very interesting AAEXPlat, and it seems these were bought in Thailand, since the far is in Thai Baht. And given the two passports were stolen in Thail
55 lparky : and the e ticket numbers are one digit apart possibly indicating they were bought at a similar time
56 stuyyz : tickets # purchased by fake passport holders were sequential. Clearly linked. Also, they both have a connection to AMS, so am I right there would be n
57 LTC8K6 : The "debris" does resemble lit greenhouses if you imagine a lot of them on the coast.
58 asetiadi : but not Indonesia. this is a shame.
59 bfiguy : Can you translate the date of issue of these tickets please?[Edited 2014-03-08 22:31:06]
60 flyenthu : AAEXPlat, those look like tickets in the name of the Austrian and Italian who list their passports and who were not on the flight. If indeed these are
61 rdu2sfo : It seems very suspicious to me that those tickets are sequential, seemingly purchased together, with the same connection in PEK, but different final d
62 Coal : This could certainly point us in the direction of terrorism, although we cannot be certain. Also, AAEXPlat, what is the source of those? Having flown
63 redadeco : Yes I flew KUL-PEK-FRA three months ago and I haven't been visa-checked.
64 vr-hkg : Was about to point that out. And booked almost concurrently, yet with different flights / final destination from the second flight, too. Definitely l
65 danvs : According to FR24, flight MAS361 (PEK-KUL) was near position 10.57 107.84 at 22:39Z (06:39 Beijing time).
66 dirktraveller : Many thanks AAExplat for the picture posted. Looks like they are flying on a discounted economy? Seems like a long route to fly from KUL to CPH. If th
67 Coal : There's no date of issue. The Chinese above just says "Date of Issue" Cheers Coal
68 Coal : That is exactly what they are. Trust me on this. The pic is taken over land, at night. Cheers Coal
69 flyenthu : Also, tix in Thai currency.
70 Post contains links ycp81 : http://news.163.com/14/0309/12/9MT5NSUU0001121M.html Another Chinese source with images from the reservation system.
71 Finn350 : If accurate, it would mean that the plane's transponder was off and the military radar would show the plane's movement regardless of the transponder
72 seat55a : The suspicious tickets could also fit the mission profile of common everyday drug mules.
73 Post contains links pilotalex14 : Although not the most credible source but not good news at all. "RT BREAKING: Malaysia airlines flight MH370 carrying 239 people crashed into the sea,
74 AAEXPlat : I have posted their ticket numbers. You may also retrieve the ticket details from Saudi Arabian Airlines website. What's really interesting is that t
75 grimey : Where did you get that from? There is no ID reference in that so does that mean they didn't show passports when buying the tickets? This whole thing
76 wxmeddler : Fairly cheap too.. 604 USD for a trans-continental trip. Note also, one way.
77 loalq : That's a loooong way to get from KUL to either FRA or CPH... KUL-PEK-AMS-CPH KUL-PEK-AMS-FRA Suspicious by itself. On the other hand, this whole fare
78 vr-hkg : So just off the coast from Ham Tan, which does look approximately the right shape for that light pattern.
79 AAEXPlat : GDS system. E-ticket document: 784-2280116100 Passenger: MR. CHRISTIAN KOZEL Booking reference: Issuing agent: 35306611 Issue place: PYX Issue date:
80 AS737MAX : Sorry, mixed up the 2 countries
81 Coal : And it seems to show the CZ codeshare numbers (CZ 748 seems to match MH 370). Cheers Coal
82 mandala499 : And they have sequential ticket numbers too... But before anyone jump and say "haha! This is the smoking gun"... consider: 1. Two drug dealers; or 2.
83 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://img1.cache.netease.com/cnews/...14/3/9/20140309124209342ee_550.png Supposed image of the ticket info...
84 SEPilot : Al Queda never claims credit, and the Libyans who brought down PA103 never claimed credit. This statement is simply not true. Yes, some terrorists cl
85 Coal : Maybe, but only if they were going from Europe to Thailand, not the other way round. Drug trafficking carries the death penalty in many Southeast Asi
86 spacecadet : The reservation system shows these two passengers were no-shows, and I've read elsewhere that their bags were removed from the flight. If that's the c
87 wxmeddler : At the bottom of each ticket there is a ticket #, all digits match except the last 3 which are 099 and 100
88 AAEXPlat : I agree. There's high chance of illegal immigrant wannabes, because Southeast Asia - China - Europe is a mature route for illegal immigrants. Someone
89 grimey : Agree but if you were carrying drugs China would be one of the last places you would want to stopover
90 AAEXPlat : That's not NOSHOW. That's just the annotation of the ticket, i.e. penalty applies when no-show occurs
91 Reffado : This creeped me out a little, honestly.
92 flyenthu : Mandela499, reply 82, you a have a point. It could be two people trying to get away w forged papers. But, given the circumstances, it raises questions
93 grimey : I was referring to the empty box beside where their names are printed
94 Post contains links wjcandee : No. That kind of activity doesn't happen in a vacuum, and it doesn't happen before a lot of other things would have been done which would have involv
95 LTC8K6 : That's how I found just the image, rather than the web site, by reading the post... I thought most readers would rather just have a straight image li
96 asetiadi : can somebody tell me how hard it is to say "mayday mayday" just at least to info someone on the ground or on the air that this plane is having a troub
97 flyenthu : "The reservation system shows these two passengers were no-shows, and I've read elsewhere that their bags were removed from the flight." These two pax
98 Reffado : It isn't. But flying an airplane is a complicated task, especially if you notice something is going awfully wrong. The amount of things going through
99 koruman : You can hardly cite PA103: ask Jim Swire or the other British relatives of the deceased and they will tell you that they believe that the Libyans had
100 wjcandee : One other point: the absence of a debris field of significant size could -- just could -- be the result of an event that did not cause the disintegrat
101 BoeingVista : If you add Thailand bought tickets into the equation the circular route to Europe makes a little more sense if you factor drug running into the equat
102 Coal : I don't doubt you at all and that would make a lot of sense. However, the death penalty in Malaysia and China and the fact that both governments do g
103 Ty134A : change the bag tags during unloading or loading process, if some one assists you from handling staff. no problem at all.
104 vr-hkg : "MISSING MH370: Chinese rescue force reaches suspected site of missing plane" https://twitter.com/NST_Online/status/442552093392375808
105 Post contains links kelebek : Just to add a little something: If I read this document (link: http://news.163.com/14/0309/12/9MT5N...U0001121M.html#p=9MQH46U200AO0001) right, colum
106 Post contains links loladaisydukes : Interesting details.. One of the relative of Chinese passenger tried to ring the phone of their relative, it rang but no one answered. Should phones b
107 Speedbird128 : wjcandee - I always enjoy reading your hyphothesizing... However, in my SAR training, we would expect a pretty large debris field by now due to the s
108 Post contains links BravoEchoNov : Good overall summary of the events that have taken place with Malaysia 370 of the past day and a half. http://www.airlinegeeks.com/blog/item/mh370
109 phxa340 : Indonesia has 5 Navy Ships participating in the search.
110 MerlinIIIB : Flash photography of ice crystals on the window?
111 BoeingVista : Thailand is the center of the so called golden triangle, its a major heroin producing region. Amsterdam seems to works as a drugs clearing house. As
112 SEPilot : But they still did not claim credit. And someone clearly planted the bomb that brought it down; that was terrorism.
113 Coal : No, flower farms in Vietnam. Cheers Coal
114 Coal : True, but it is easier for it to go through Central Asia than through Malaysia and China. Cheers Coal
115 ThomasMTroxell : Weren't the two pax who were no shows the people who were traveling on the stolen passports? Or is this something completely different?
116 F9Animal : I have noticed a few comments that terrorist groups usually claim responsibility. There seems to be several investigations already happening, and ther
117 Coal : Slightly off topic, but I am wondering who exactly is coordinating the search and rescue activities. Reports say there are Malaysian, Vietnamese, Thai
118 redadeco : No the 2 passengers in question have indeed boarded the plane and Malaysian authorities have footage of them from check-in till boarding. The 5 no-sh
119 F9Animal : [quote=ThomasMTroxell,reply=115][/quote Same names as the stolen passports.
120 BoeingVista : As I say, the direct flight is closely monitored, what mules tend to do is to try and shuffle the pack and choose an unusual route, but the late tick
121 Post contains links loladaisydukes : MISSING MH370: Pilot: I established contact with plane 'INTERFERENCE': Pilot in another plane was flying 30 minutes ahead of MH370 SEPANG: A BOEING 77
122 spacecadet : That's what I'm saying. So if we are to assume these stolen passports were being held by terrorists - which is a big jump in logic, but one it seems
123 Coal : MH 88? They did depart at 12:05am, about 30mins late, which would have put them about 30mins ahead of MH 370. Cheers Coal
124 SCQ83 : According to The Guardian, there are four IDs "under investigation".
125 LTC8K6 : Contact after 1:30 am would be 10 or more minutes after the reported loss of radar and radio.[Edited 2014-03-08 23:36:17]
126 Post contains links vr-hkg : Singapore Straits Times is now reporting that an MAS spokesman has told familes that FIVE individuals with stolen passports boarded the flight: http:/
127 LTC8K6 : Sounds like a mix-up with the 5 no-shows whose bags were removed.
128 flanker : I'm starting to think they could have been grabbed up by a portal or something else. Maybe another Bermuda.
129 vr-hkg : Yes, that does seem likely. (And Straits Times go on to point out that the most we'd been told previously was four, and that even that figure had bee
130 Finn350 : No, the story says:
131 vr-hkg : But it also says:
132 Finn350 : It seems that the media is having a royal mix-up...
133 vr-hkg : Or whichever family member they spoke to was (understandably) confused. Or an MAS employee made an innocent mistake.
134 MillwallSean : Hmm dont overestimate shoulderpats. Many businessmen buys tickets like this, quite a few of the European disapora in Bangkok buys their tickets like
135 Post contains images mandala499 : It's Mandala! As much a I respect Mandela, please... get it right! :p Doesn't look like it to me either... If you're talking about AF447, then the bu
136 Post contains links alberchico : Here is the weather for the search area: http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...to-build-as-search-contin/24170664 Now I'm confused. Shouldn't the air
137 Post contains links vr-hkg : This point is specifically addressed by an MAS spokesman who says that, while the information has been passed on, he's personally tried the number an
138 Post contains images airportugal310 : Thanks for the great info that Wikipedia won't tell you!
139 flightsimer : There is the Dragons Triangle, which is on the exact opposite side of the world as the Bermuda Triangle, but I do not know if it covers this area. I
140 pilotaydin : Ok good morning for day 2. First off i really feel that a lot of people are adding fuel to the terror fire for no reason. Just because the plane has n
141 LTC8K6 : You mean the pinger? I don't know how close you have to get to the boxes to detect their pingers. The ELT for the plane was probably destroyed.
142 LTC8K6 : It's the 41 minutes that bugs me when we start to think of inexperience, fatigue, or pilot error. They were only in the air for 41 minutes, supposedl
143 Post contains links LTC8K6 : 07:59 GMT - Another passport - Chinese state media is reporting that a Chinese person whose passport number is among those listed for passengers aboar
144 Post contains links Finn350 : This is quite a good wrap-up from Channel 4 (UK) (except for the ELT signal being short-range; modern ELTs transmit their signal through orbiting sate
145 Post contains links alberchico : some news updates: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26502843
146 ChaosTheory : As I mentioned before, even with ATC restrictions, they would likely have reached cruise within 20 minutes or so and with the standard 250/310/.84 sc
147 MillwallSean : Since the aircraft passed or is presumed to have passed over Kota Bharu its gone a fair bit further north than most oil installations. the oil industr
148 Zkpilot : Pretty much the first thing you learn as a pilot is Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. That is fly the plane first, know where you are heading etc 2nd, r
149 macsid : Just watched a press conference on local TV here in Malaysia a little while ago, and the authorities claim that only 2 passports were dubious. They al
150 DAL763ER : There are three flights on that itinerary, all confirmed with flight numbers KL1775 to FRA and KL1139 to CPH respectively.
151 dc863 : If it was a terrorist bombing and that's a big IF, then perhaps terrorist cell XYZ has performed a successful test run with a "formula" bomb. Cell XYZ
152 macsid : Also, I fully understand aviate, navigate, communicate, but why not immediately squawk 7700 immediately? It would take mere seconds and allow them to
153 ryu2 : AAExecPlat, why is the ticket receipt in Chinese if they were bought in Thailand? Something doesn't add up.
154 DALFA : What do you mean by that?
155 LTC8K6 : Sorry, I confused Flightaware with Flightradar24. Flightaware loses data earlier, just when 9M-MRO reaches 35K.
156 macsid : Every time I bought Flying Blue award ticket from AMS on KL, my ticket arrived in French and English.
157 Coal : It was issued by CZ. Would make sense to me. I've flown on CZ, MU, and CA tons of times and have seen such etickets, even actually printed on old pri
158 EVAAIRBR076 : yes i wouldnt be surprised by now if this is the case. Are there any results of the baggage or what was inside of it, cause i thought i read somewher
159 LTC8K6 : They were supposedly booked through China Southern, would that explain it?
160 pilotaydin : Saying mayday or setting 7700 does nothing to save the plane, we fly the plane first, why waste time that we cant get back?
161 Starlionblue : Switching the transponder takes time and brain power better used for other things. I know it is counterintuitive in some cases but after a few emerge
162 macsid : Understood, guys. Thanks!
163 Vhqpa : I can confirm it was issued by China Southern. The first three digits of the e ticket identify the issuing carrier. for example: 001 = American Airli
164 dc863 : The investigators will look at everything from security camera footage to interviewing every single ramp person who had contact with 9H-MRO going bac
165 Post contains links vr-hkg : Malaysia Airlines: "No new update as yet but the search & rescue teams are hard at work. Next tweet in an hour or two depending on developments."
166 s5daw : But why has the search expanded to Malacca Strait?? It's on the other side of the peninsula!? Could an airliner fly over the whole country without bei
167 B747forever : As mentioned above, if you go to Saudi Airs website and put in the ticket number/last name you will pull up the reservation of the two suspicious pass
168 ryu2 : CZ, the codeshare they booked, is Skyteam.
169 Tobias2702 : If it can't be ruled out with 100 percent certainty, then it might be worth a try, even if odds are low.
170 Starlionblue : Maybe if it turned the transponder off. You'd still have primary radar so it really depends on coverage.
171 MillwallSean : Also a reminder that fake passports isn't exactly unknown of in Asia. When Air India crashed in 2010 they had somewhere between 10-20 persons onboard
172 B747forever : But that is still a connection between oneworld and skyteam at PEK. Do CZ and MH have a code share agreement on KUL-PEK?
173 rdu2sfo : It's quite concerning that they can't rule this out or know for sure one way or another. It simply is not feasible that an airdraft could fly clear a
174 blueshamu330s : CCTV reporting Singapore Search vessel has found "suspicious floating objects." Also being reported on Viet TV. Rgds
175 SCQ83 : The tickets were issued in Pattaya indeed (Six Stars Travel).
176 qf002 : Please read the thread. CZ codeshares on this flight.
177 vr-hkg : That would appear to be the case. Note PYX in this quote from AAEXPlat:
178 Post contains links birdy : #MH370 Vietnam rescue authorities: suspicious floating object spotted 100km south-southwest of Tho Chu island. Sending vessels out to check http://ww
179 Post contains images Coal : Please read the thread above. CZ 748 = MH 370 Cheers Coal
180 macsid : Assuming they did turn back as a result of an emergency at the last known location per FR24, I'd hazard that the closest 777 capable field would be P
181 Tobias2702 : I've just been checking with Great Circle Mapper. If I'm not mistaken, this position is approximately 175km (110 miles) away from the (presumed) last
182 Coal : Seems they might have found something: https://twitter.com/TrongKhanhVu #MH370 Vietnam rescue authorities: floating object first spotted by Singapore
183 pilotaydin : Yellow? Life jackets?
184 rdu2sfo : I agree that might be possible. My only point was that it is not possible to fly a 777 across the territory of any country undetected (unless that co
185 Vhqpa : I can't make sense of it either. Initially I thought the authorities might know a little more on whether or not it crossed the peninsular than they a
186 liquidair : Just with regards to terrorists claiming or not claiming- often you'll have have multiple groups claiming responsibility for an incident, even when th
187 RWA380 : We had been told here in teh US, near the end of the Sochi games, that there were credible reasons to beleive that a new level of shoe bomb been crea
188 deaphen : Strangely you can log onto the two passengers (the alleged Italian and alleged Austrian) flight details on the KLM website....
189 tommy1808 : Wow.. this must be the first credible reason to believe that a terror strike is imminent we had in decades.... best regards
190 cipango : I will second this! The "glowing" flower fields are by far one of my favourite sights out of an aircraft window. Like Coal, I used to fly UA HKG-SIN
191 wjcandee : And for the other reasons you mentioned. The fact that the Valujet debris field was the size of a manhole cover was in part due t the fact that the E
192 lugie : I have been thinking about this as well and, to be honest, it seems like a quite concerning situation to me. If (and of course still a big IF) the fl
193 Jitesh : What is the procedure pilots make if there is a hijacking?
194 vivekman2006 : Or if it is a big object - a life raft from the aircraft, maybe? Are those yellow in colour?
195 slinky09 : Twitter has a photo of some oil / fuel in the ocean near To Chu island here: https://twitter.com/Mugsysam/status/442580940187897856/photo/1. In the sa
196 flyingturtle : Quite a broad question. But surely... Do whatever saves the most lives. And it always depends on the hijacker. Fight back 9/11-style hijackers. Or co
197 na : No one can open the cockpit door from the outside. So in any case the very first thing that must happen would be a distress call by the pilots. I can
198 ThomasCook : Slide rafts are generally grey with a yellow/orange canopy fitted only after a ditching. ThomasCook
199 anstar : Could it be possible civillian radar saw the last complete image of the 777 and the militsry radr perhaps caught a piece of metal flying in the oppos
200 Post contains links dahawaiian : It looks like the National Reconnaissance Office has chimed in on the matter. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...idnt-explode-new-york-times-n4818
201 specks159 : Well that's interesting. Although I wouldn't necessarily say that rules out the possibility of any explosion, just a large one. I don't know how sens
202 UALWN : If there were indeed 4 people with stolen passports on board, that to me would make the bomb theory rather unlikely: why do you need 4 people to carry
203 liquidair : I'm guessing that to be extremely unlikely...i mean, even after an explosion pieces travel in the same direction, don't they? In the case of a jet at
204 awthompson : Drug mules do need to get home again! How do we know whether these person were traveling outbound or inbound?
205 specks159 : More or less yes depending on the force of the explosion. There most definitely would be pieces heading in the same direction, so I don't see how a r
206 Post contains links pvjin : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin_Airlines_Flight_7554 That flight had 6 Uighur terrorists in it, although it seems like their main plan was to hij
207 Post contains links specks159 : Not to double post but, http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html They updated the article with information that the y
208 na : In any case of highjacking pilots have enough time to send out a distress message. The cockpit door is armoured. So if someone forces to enter it, on
209 awthompson : I somehow think that the hijacking and/or bomb scenarios are unlikely. We went through all such discussions with AFR 447 and failed to believe that th
210 kelebek : I slightly disagree. When travelling in C class you can always see how the FA enters the flight deck to serve food/drinks to the flight crew. Therefo
211 Singapore 777 : Not on VA for sure... I noticed on a recent flight that whenever the cabin manager wants to enter the cockpit, he/she will signal to an FA in the mai
212 na : Now that would be gross negligence to say the least. I havent seen that in a long time. And what sense would an armoured door have then? And even if,
213 uta999 : If those passports were stolen many months ago, that points to lengthy planning, which points to terrorism. This 777 has been missing now for over two
214 Post contains images AustrianZRH : The guys with the stolen passports traveled in economy, though. I don't know which outcome to favor: terrorism, to release aircraft and crew from gui
215 Koosi : Thailand to AMS and on to the rest of Europe is (or at least used to be) a popular heroin smuggling route. A not so direct routing makes sense (as do
216 BAeRJ100 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can "turn off" the oxygen - you can alter the pressurisation, which is different, but if cabin pressur
217 na : This is not a James Bond movie. And there would inevitably be traces, let alone the fact that there are no unknown places were such a plane could lan
218 sassiciai : Not necessarily true, it points to the fact that the passports were stolen many months ago. Passports are stolen (or "sold" more often throughout the
219 lh648 : Passports may have been stollen, have went to the black passport market, spend there some time waiting for a new owner and then have been purchased.
220 vegas005 : I just flew on a 747 in the upper deck business class and the flight attendant would come by with two trays of food, kick the bottom of the cockpit d
221 CXfirst : I would think this would have been checked by now, but do we know if these passports have been used for other flights lately? If so, they could have
222 Tobias2702 : What radius do you think would be a reasonablde assumption? As I said further above, this reported "yellow object" was found some 175 km away. By the
223 giopan1975 : This unjustified prolonged disapearance coincides with the escalation of the crisis in Ukraine which is becoming 2nd issue on global media over the pa
224 Post contains links 456 : The yellow object was not related to the plane http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html
225 YokoTsuno : Technologically virtually impossible. 2G networks in the SEA use GSM, which has a technological range limitation of around 35km. On top of that, cell
226 RayChuang : This is now all the more important we find the remains of the plane and especially recover the flight data recorder (FDR) and cockpit voice recorder (
227 kelebek : Good procedure VA seems to have installed. However I have never flown VA, but can confirm the security flaw for many mainstream airlines including SQ
228 theaviator380 : I have theory, it could be possible case of suicide by either of the pilots? Sorry but nothing can be ruled out just now. Imagine if one pilot gone to
229 lh648 : It's 70 km with extended range cell, but in reality nobody will use it to cover sea...
230 OV735 : Are you suggesting that the disappearance of this flight could be a 'red herring' to draw the world's attention away from the crisis in Eastern Europ
231 Starlionblue : As mentioned, make a distress call if possible. Squawk 7500 if possible. Comply with demands per captain's discretion. What if the flight crew is hij
232 Speedbird128 : That is literally the million buck question everybody turns to us as SMC to answer... Where do we start? If it was a deadstick glide from F350 they c
233 na : As this has happened before (Egyptair and a recent one in Africa come to my mind. and there were more), of course that is a possibility which at leas
234 iakobos : Not at all, there is no limitation other than power output versus space attenuation + reflections and the antennas' beams orientation. Under favorabl
235 76er : "Oxygen supply" cannot be turned off, but any airplane can be despressurized by turning off the packs and opening the outflow valve(s). When cabine a
236 lh648 : It's limited by time signal needs to travel and defined in the GSM standard. So no more than 70 km for GSM on 900 MHz.
237 bobbypsp : First off bear with me as I've read through parts 1-4 and now just starting 5. Someone mentioned seats only float if life vests provided. Also a "what
238 PC12Fan : Please pardon my laziness as I have not read the latest threads, but has there been any mention of anyone locating an ELT signal yet?
239 Starlionblue : Kudos to you! It is a chore but I wish more people at least made the effort to skim before jumping in. If memory serves that comment was facetious. I
240 Post contains images YokoTsuno : The GSM limitation comes from the maximum permissible delay inherent to TDMA. Besides, even without that restriction, how many people do you see walk
241 ash1111 : I am a flight attendant in Australia. Cameras DO NOT stop someone from storming the flight deck while the door is open. They only show who is outside
242 Post contains links KarelXWB : The pilot of a Malaysia Airlines jet that went missing on Saturday enjoyed flying the Boeing 777 so much that he spent his off days tinkering with a f
243 irregking : Negative. Only thing that was found so far was still the oild slick. But nothing found so far which can be 100% associated to 9M-MRO. They have to fi
244 flyingturtle : The sea there is just about 250 km times 500 km large. It really worries me that nothing could be found, given the SAR assets put to action. The P-3 O
245 airbazar : Thank you. That's what I've been saying since the beginning.
246 irregking : Hunty, I am aware of that and I NEVER said they STOP anyone. I simply replied to the other user who purported that the one can open cockpit doors sim
247 irregking : Indeed, I am starting to raise an eyebrow, too about this. Where is that plane?!
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