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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 87351 times:
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Due to length part 6 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 7.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)


A select few members have been making remarks towards others in the “Missing Malaysia Airlines 777 threads” for speculating about the fate of 9M-MRO, her crew and passengers. Given the fact that there is so much uncertainty going on at this stage, speculation is going to be a factor on this site and also at the biggest and greatest news corporations of the globe. At least until we all have a clearer picture. Is it a perfect situation – certainly not? That being said, we need to stay dynamic in a possible fast-changing situation.

It is not unique to this incident and if we go back in history and trace remarkable aviation events we will see that speculation has been an aspect, essential to some healthy debate. It is not the intention of the moderators to stifle the opinions of members that fall within the rules-and regulations of airliners.net. All that we kindly request from all our members is to stay within the site’s parameters. Please be respectful towards one another and let us all hope for the best possible outcome. Enjoy the forums!



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 87506 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Thread starter):
A select few members have been making remarks towards others in the “Missing Malaysia Airlines 777 threads” for speculating about the fate of 9M-MRO, her crew and passengers. Given the fact that there is so much uncertainty going on at this stage, speculation is going to be a factor on this site and also at the biggest and greatest news corporations of the globe. At least until we all have a clearer picture. Is it a perfect situation – certainly not? That being said, we need to stay dynamic in a possible fast-changing situation.

It is not unique to this incident and if we go back in history and trace remarkable aviation events we will see that speculation has been an aspect, essential to some healthy debate. It is not the intention of the moderators to stifle the opinions of members that fall within the rules-and regulations of airliners.net. All that we kindly request from all our members is to stay within the site’s parameters. Please be respectful towards one another and let us all hope for the best possible outcome. Enjoy the forums!

Thanks.

Honestly, if there wasn't any speculation at all, we'd pretty much be able to sum everything we know about this situation in one sentence:

No one has heard from MH 370 in a long time.

Anything beyond that is basically speculation.



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User currently onlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 87396 times:

I did a quick recap for people that haven’t read through (partially or entirely) the other parts of this topic. Its very long at this stage (1,500+) so I will do another one for this part of the thread as some appreciated it in the last thread.

- Vietnam SAR teams spotted a floating object resembling an emergency exit door. This has become a huge target of the investigation and the major point mentioned today on the news stations.

- 2 passengers were travelling with stolen passports and have purchased a ticket simultaneously as their E-ticket numbers were only one digit apart. They were flying KUL-PEK-AMS-CPH and KUL-PEK-AMS-FRA.

- Agent in KUL that did not spot the stolen passport is being questioned/charged.

- The passengers who have had their passports stolen said they were taken in Thailand over the last two years and they were supposedly older passports with no chip - simply speculation that part.

- The passports have become one of the main targets of investigation at present. It may amount to nothing but many find it far too much of a coincidence that two passengers on the same flight were travelling on stolen passports, an had booked the flights consecutively.

- The agent in Thailand that sold the tickets is currently being questioned.

- One Russian was stopped in KUL for using a stolen passport and was not allowed to board.

- An oil slick has been spotted just off Vietnam but this has yet to be confined as a link to the flight. This seems to have disappeared from the news with our saying whether or whether not it was linked to MH 370.

- SAR had spotted some objects in the sea which could be "Yellow Lifejackets" but this was dismissed.

- The flight has supposedly gone down 40 mins into the flight rather than 2 hours in as previously reported. 2 hours is when Malaysia was informed of the plane going missing.

- The aircraft was involved in an incident last year where the wing tip was broken off. But many here have reiterated, then reiterated again, then again, that this should have no impact at all on the flight. The plan is made of many compartments all put together and this was fixed, then checked, then re-checked.

- Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, USA, Philippines (and maybe China) are currently helping in the search effort.

- The sea is only ~45-80m/148-260 ft deep where it has supposedly crashed.

This of course is not everything that has been discussed but I thought I would help some catch up rather than read through the 1500+ posts. Questions continue to be repeated 5-10 times as people are joining in without reading any of the previous posts, but sure it happens! Its a long thread to be fair...

[Edited 2014-03-09 14:07:48]

User currently offlinejfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 87157 times:

Have we ruled that picture of the door out yet?

User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 86950 times:

It doesn't look like a door and I can't think what part (at least outer) of the 777 that it could be.


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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 86748 times:

Given the length of the plane, and the depth of the water, a nose dive could impact the sea floor. Wouldn't that have an effect on the possible debris amount and field size?

User currently offlineWALmsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 86479 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):

I did a quick recap for people that haven’t read through (partially or entirely) the other parts of this topic. Its very long at this stage (1,500+) so I will do another one for this part of the thread as some appreciated it in the last thread.

Thank you! That really helps those of us who have not been able to read all the previous posts!



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User currently offlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 86478 times:

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 4):
It doesn't look like a door and I can't think what part (at least outer) of the 777 that it could be.

I think it was described as an inner panel of a door at least in some news, but the news regarding the potential debris is fast changing and apparently unreliable.


User currently offlineflyenthu From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 86503 times:

Reply 274 by Jetfuel: "Then that mean either A. Catastrophic instant failure or B. ACARS system disabled via interference"

In the link below there is a clip titled "Could plane have disintegrated?" where Richard Quest refers to ACARS and you can infer that the plane was equipped with ACARS and that nothing unusual was noted. If you page down, you will find this clip on the left.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/...ane/index.html?iid=article_sidebar


User currently offlinejfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 85798 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 5):

Excellent point, it's possible the aircraft could have even impact the floor of the sea at a high rate of speed


User currently offlinejfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 85551 times:

Am I wrong for moving away from the idea of breaking up in flight. There would be a wide debris field and perhaps something more conclusive from the airframe would have been discovered by now?

User currently offlineRedsand187 From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 85387 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 5):
Given the length of the plane, and the depth of the water, a nose dive could impact the sea floor. Wouldn't that have an effect on the possible debris amount and field size?

I believe the gforce of the plane hitting the water at hundreds of miles per hour would likely be so high the plane would disintegrate on impact, and not go into the water like a dart. Also, while it's not 100% comparable, if you shoot a bullet into water it will only travel a few meters before it loses momentum. The drag of the water is so great that it likely wouldn't make it all the way to the bottom of the sea floor via force. It would probably make it halfway and then negative bouancy would pull it further down.

I would also suspect the debris field, while not huge in size would be huge in pieces as the plane would break into a million pieces. By now floating debris would be pretty far spread out by the current.

My guess is they are looking in t


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 85374 times:

The supposed door was found in the water near the reported (still unconfirmed?) Oil slicks, 60 miles south of Tho Chu island.
Source: http://www.boston.com/news/world/asi.../TLZ5W65xU3mLsTVxD3lA5N/story.html


User currently offlinewashingtonflyer From Bouvet Island, joined Sep 2013, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 85332 times:

Could that part be an interior window panel?

User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1370 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 85388 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
I did a quick recap for people that haven’t read through (partially or entirely) the other parts of this topic. Its very long at this stage (1,500+) so I will do another one for this part of the thread as some appreciated it in the last thread.

Thank you for that excellent summary. There was also extensive discussion last thread about passports, Interpol verification, visa requirements, and other issues related to the two "mystery" passengers. Not much was concluded other than:

- Malaysia has among the world's most open entry policies, with relatively few nationalities requiring visas
- Thailand, especially Bangkok, is a major center for sale of forged/stolen identities
- The two tickets in question were sold by a somewhat "shady" travel agency
- While terrorism is an open area of investigation, other explanations for travelling on stolen passports include illegal immigration, drug smuggling, other criminal activity, spying/intelligence under non-official cover, etc. None of these can be ruled in or out at present.


Returning to the ACARS messages that were so crucial in AF447, comments on previous threads indicated that 9M-MRO did not have a SatCom antenna. A.net photos seem to confirm this - at least the usual pod antenna isn't visible on the fuselage crown:


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Without SatCom, ACARS messages would be transmitted over VHF or HF radio. Can anyone shed light on what the range of those transmissions would be and who is monitoring the appropriate frequencies? Also, does ACARS on a 777 transmit only messages of an unusual nature (e.g. system faults), or are there periodic position or status updates that would be expected as a matter of course? I remember this was all discussed at great length on the AF447 threads, but that's been several years now.


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User currently offlineAS737MAX From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 85058 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 1):

Very well said both of you, there will always be debate on a.net.

Quoting cipango (Reply 2):
- Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, USA, Philippines (and maybe China) are currently helping in the search effort.

I believe that Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, USA, Philippines, China, Vietnam, Thailand, and Australia are searching or have aided the search with aircraft or ships



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User currently offlineBSLFRA From Germany, joined Feb 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 85048 times:

To the people that have been asking about passport checking in Asia.
I had a quite intensive experience by a gate agent in Delhi boarding for a AI 774 aircraft to Frankfurt some years ago.
The agent asked me lots of questions where I studied, what I was doing in Germany and if I can speak German and so on. He put me also into little stress to see whether I stayed calm.
My background is Indian name with Indian looking skin but German passport because I have been born in Germany as second generation Indian. Now looking at the news of this troubles around passports I feel the Air India gate agent did a great job!


User currently offline345tas From Israel, joined Mar 2014, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 84739 times:

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 8):
In the link below there is a clip titled "Could plane have disintegrated?" where Richard Quest refers to ACARS and you can infer that the plane was equipped with ACARS and that nothing unusual was noted. If you page down, you will find this clip on the left.

I also understood from that that he didn't seem to believe the Malaysian military's report of their radar showing the plane making a turn before it disappeared, referring to it as "a rumour". I'm not sure if he knew definitively that the plane was equipped with ACARS, or was just assuming. Is he usually a knowledgable guy in these sorts of events?


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 84702 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 5):
Given the length of the plane, and the depth of the water, a nose dive could impact the sea floor. Wouldn't that have an effect on the possible debris amount and field size?
Quoting jfritz (Reply 9):
Excellent point, it's possible the aircraft could have even impact the floor of the sea at a high rate of speed
Quoting Redsand187 (Reply 11):
I believe the gforce of the plane hitting the water at hundreds of miles per hour would likely be so high the plane would disintegrate on impact, and not go into the water like a dart. Also, while it's not 100% comparable, if you shoot a bullet into water it will only travel a few meters before it loses momentum. The drag of the water is so great that it likely wouldn't make it all the way to the bottom of the sea floor via force. It would probably make it halfway and then negative bouancy would pull it further down.

I would also suspect the debris field, while not huge in size would be huge in pieces as the plane would break into a million pieces. By now floating debris would be pretty far spread out by the current.

My guess is they are looking in t

Could such an impact set off on a Richter magnitude scale ?


User currently offlineDALFA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2014, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 84375 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 18):

In the case of SR111 it actually did so the answer is yes.


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 84380 times:

Quoting Redsand187 (Reply 11):

Parts of AA77 penetrated over 300 feet into the Pentagon.

The front disintegrated on impact, but the rest drove well on in.


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 83984 times:

My thoughts and prayers for those on board MH 370 and their families.


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 83994 times:

Quoting DALFA (Reply 19):
In the case of SR111 it actually did so the answer is yes.

Thanx

Hope someone is checking that out then ...


User currently offlines5daw From Slovenia, joined May 2011, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 83656 times:

Quoting jfritz (Reply 9):
Excellent point, it's possible the aircraft could have even impact the floor of the sea at a high rate of speed

Could it? Water stops fast objects pretty quickly. Bullets are not lethal a few meters under water IIRC.


User currently offlineawthompson From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 83360 times:

I know I have too much free time but I have read ALL posts from ALL parts right up to here over the weekend.
My fervour is driven by having just recently returned to the UK after a trip to the Philippines with a few days spent in Kuala Lumpur on the way home. My main carrier was of course Malaysia Airlines.

Into the bargain I took a photo while boarding one of my flights at KUL and guess what was taxiing past in the background but 9M-MRO !



My shock about what has happened has attracted my attention so much that it has kept me glued to my laptop, largely on airliners.net all weekend.

For those who feel they have missed something by not having had the time to read all the posts, do not worry. There is nothing factual in there that has not been on international news, and such facts are very limited indeed, you could list them in a few lines.

The earlier parts largely consist of repetition and hundreds of suggestions and theories, many of which would not be out of place in the film world. The subject matter is very similar to the wild speculation that followed the Air France 447 crash, when all along the chain of events behind the crash were of a less benign nature. I believe this could also be the case with MH370.

Despite MH370 being lost closer to land and in shallow seas, there is actually less factual information in circulation than there was after AF447. In the case of AF447 we had the string of ACARS data transmitted by the crashing F-GZCP indicating various systems failures triggered by temporary loss of airspeed data. We do not appear to have any abnormal data from MH370, or at least it is not in the public domain.

There is some discussion surrounding the suggestion that MH370 'may have' turned back towards KUL in its last moments. This has been hinted at by the authorities but nothing more than that.

Based on infra red satellite images, weather at the time along the route of MH370 was reported to have been fair with no significant cloud buildup or convection activity. No significant turbulence was reported by other aircraft. It was night time when MH370 was last in contact with ATC and there was no moon in the sky at the time.

There are as yet no validated reports from any witness that may have seen or heard anything significant relating to MH370.

About 60% of the posts are devoted to discussion surrounding the two persons allegedly on board MH370 with stolen passports. So save yourself the trouble of reading everything. Stolen passports will not bring down a plane unless the holders manage to bring on board a viable explosive device.

There is some quite technical discussion about the pros and cons of various types of radar and marine searching equipment that could be used to locate the lost plane underwater. If you have a particular interest in that, you may find some useful titbits. A couple of well versed posters with marine background/interest posted charts indicating that the Gulf of Thailand where the wreckage likely will be found is very shallow so we are not dealing with ocean depths like in the AF447 case.

I hope my comments help save time for some readers.

Can I pay tribute to billreid From Netherlands at reply 98 Part 6 for the post that sticks out most in my mind as being very human and level headed, and the one that shows the most feeling for relatives who have lost loved ones.


25 ncfc99 : I am also looking for definitive confirmation that there was no ACARS capability on this aircraft. In the previous thread it was stated that CNN and
26 bastew : That was my first thought also. It's also interesting that some news reports are saying that the search area has been widened due to speculation that
27 awthompson : This technology is already fitted to the vast majority of airliners flying today. It is called ADSB. Even better, it transmits the 'text' you describ
28 Tristarsteve : The Malaysian B777 have flat plate antenna, one on each side. They are raised above the skin by about 3/16in and can be seen on a good close up pictu
29 CPDC10-30 : Not surprising. The most intensive screening I've ever had was on AI YYZ-LHR having bought a one way ticket at short notice - and rightly so. I was p
30 Post contains links flyenthu : He is a very reliable reporter and I have seen him on CNN for years. He travels a lot and reports on travel, business, and aviation quite regularly.
31 bobbypsp : Exactly what I thought. But only one piece? Just bizarre. So much can float: something so simple as safety cards.
32 ZKCIF : a quote from CNN: The mysteries surrounding the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and the true identities of some of its passengers, are
33 B2707SST : That thought occurred to me as well this morning, so I checked earthquake sites for Malaysia, Thailand, and the USGS world summary. Unfortunately, no
34 LTC8K6 : Yes, but that is many times the bullet's length as well. It's an interesting question. How far would it travel through the water? The water depth cou
35 UA787DEN : Depends on the impact speed and angle. SR111 disintegrated on impact - but it hit almost inverted with 350g. Other sea crashes have involved relative
36 steex : Excellent recap, but my understanding was the Russian was denied boarding because his legitimate passport had been stolen and he thus did not have on
37 stuyyz : In the current CNN main webpage article "The shift came at the request of the Malaysians, who are looking into possibilities the plane turned around a
38 Viscount724 : Didn't you already post that photo in an earlier part of this thread? This thread is already long enough without repeating previous posts.
39 Condor24 : I am amazed at how the media and bloggers refer to a crashed aircraft. Until any wreckage is found, the aircraft is one that has 'disappeared'. Due re
40 bjorn14 : As it s stated in this thread summary that the gate agent was being questioned. I would think so...wouldn't it set off at least a flag for them when a
41 cipango : The same picture was in a previous post, but I felt it was fitting for his post in this current thread.
42 456 : It's almost daylight again. I wonder if they can continu searching with the planes again. I wonder how long it will take before the boats are at the u
43 USAIRWAYS321 : That would indicate to me they have information that isn't being shared with the public.
44 747megatop : Thanks for clarifying, this makes it more puzzling isn't it? 40 ships and 20+ aircraft should have found some signs of the aircraft at the last known
45 queb : What's your point ? Where is the aircraft if it's not a crash ???
46 UA787DEN : The Andaman Sea wouldn't make any sense. Hmm. (For those who don't know its the sea on the other side of the Malay peninsula from the Gulf of Thailan
47 iberiadc852 : Because of the likely level of desintegration of the 777, together with the mysterious circumstances of the proper subjects, those fake Italian and Au
48 Hywel : Just why the men posing as the Italian and Austrian would have used the false documents is still unclear. Terrorism is a possibility, but so is asylum
49 Post contains images md80fanatic : The NRO admitted they have no record of a "flash" anywhere during this flight's time in the air. They have admitted, since 9-11 they have the ability
50 UA787DEN : They identified everybody on SR111 - quite a feat. That said, they knew who they were looking for. So whether we figure out the "who" of those two mi
51 LTC8K6 : They have them on video at the airport, so that should help.
52 Tod : Nope - 777 sidewall panels are typically two windows at a time.
53 WNCrew : HUH? No but really....what?
54 USAIRWAYS321 : Oh, I know it's a huge distance away and seems very unlikely - it's entirely possible that the media got confused. At the same time, whether this rep
55 rdu2sfo : Agreed - there has to be significant information at this stage that is not public. BUT it still makes no sense to search both sides of the peninsula.
56 747megatop : Definitely due respects for the family and friends of the passengers involved; but unless the aircraft is sitting in a remote jungle or on a remote m
57 Finn350 : I wonder too why the information regarding the military radar and the plane possibly turning back is so ambiguous. The authorities should know whethe
58 PHX787 : Re: that part, I think we can all agree that's an overwing exit door. If that is the case, we can hypothesize the airframe may have hit the water inta
59 jetfuel : Apparaently Interpol knew about stolen passports that two passengers used but no country checked the police agency's vast database on stolen documents
60 iberiadc852 : But what a tough combination, isn't it? Anyway, the real purpose of my comment was to emphasize, MAYBE relatives/friends close to those fellows DO KN
61 Post contains images hivue : Which wing?
62 Finn350 : As somebody pointed out earlier, Boeing 777-200 doesn't have overwing exit doors.
63 Web500sjc : 777 don't have over wing exit doors that are vastly different than main doors.
64 washingtonflyer : I don't think that plane as an overwing exit. So, no, I don't think I can agree.
65 EVAAIRBR076 : to me it doenst look like a exit door at all, more like a panel from the cabin, but i have a lot af doubt if it is a part of the plane. the 777 doens
66 steve7e7 : Whilst the various theories and speculation in these threads have been most entertaining and in many cases informative, I feel we have forgotten about
67 Post contains links s5daw : There seem to be overwing exit door, but it's a normal door, not the emergency "pull and throw out" door: http://www.plane-pictures.com/Boeing...oein
68 Post contains links washingtonflyer : This not a 773, but a 772 http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Mal...laysia_Airlines_Boeing_777-200.php
69 LTC8K6 : But that's a 300 not a 200.
70 EVAAIRBR076 : thats an 777-300, the 200 doesnt have that
71 Post contains links Finn350 : That is a 777-300. A 777-200 doesn't have an overwing exit. http://img.planespotters.net/photo/2...77-200_PlanespottersNet_282532.jpg
72 Daleaholic : That is a 777-300 sir. Different door layout. The debris in the photo is definitely not a door. Hope they find something soon so families can begin t
73 Viscount724 : 773 has 5 full-size doors per side including one over the wing. 772 has 4 full-size doors per side and none are over the wing.
74 rampart : I've tried my best to skim the threads as they appear, so apologies if this has been posed already. If a u-turn is observed, and searching may take p
75 Mortyman : I read in an article in a newspaper here in Norway, that every Boeing Aircraft is fitted with a device that reports back to Boeing base, any abnormal
76 B747forever : Why, does certain names just belong to certain looks and types of people? Is every Mr/Mrs Hansen and Johansen blond with blue eyes?
77 Spacepope : Geologist here. Even if they tend to be common, the geology of the basement rock in this area makes attenuation difficult, so the waves don't travel
78 Finn350 : I think this theory emerged briefly a couple of hundred posts ago... if something like that happened it raises the obvious questions why the crew did
79 SpaceshipDC10 : Had the ET 767 that was forced to "land" in the water been more level, would it have remained more intact ? And what about the drag effect in the wat
80 Aesma : For AF447 it took 36 hours before locating the floating debris, that included the horizontal stabilizer. Do we know if a 777 tail would float similarl
81 vfw614 : What really surprises me is that dozens of planes, helicopters and ships are unable to find anything after now almost three days. I mean we are not lo
82 s5daw : Wouldn't that make it much more likely for someone to pick ELT signal by now?
83 spacecadet : I'm pretty sure we all are. I'm pretty sure that's why there are now 7 threads on where this plane is. The sooner this plane is found, the quicker we
84 Mortyman : Unless, they are looking i the wrong place completely ...
85 SpaceshipDC10 : From what I have read a few hundreds replies earlier, I believe it would float.
86 Mir : Doubtful, because 777 window panels cover two windows each. So it would have to have broken in two, but the edges look too regular for that. It doesn
87 s5daw : I think somebody said A330 had carbon-fiber stabiliser, while 777 has aluminium. Aluminium would probably sink.
88 CF-CPI : I wouldn't be surprised if defense-related sensors of some sort actually registered - or were capable of detecting - an impact or catastrophe of this
89 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#Surface_search "On 2 June at 15:20 (UTC), a Brazilian Air Force Embraer R-99A spotted wreckage and
90 Post contains links and images PHX Flyer : Except may be for the one adjacent to the R2 door (towards the front). View Large View MediumPhoto © David James Clelford [Airplane-Pictures] Howeve
91 btblue : That image of the floating piece of debris. I've fiddled around with the image and it looks like a life buoy. I'll try upload it later but it looks ro
92 LTC8K6 : I wouldn't expect an ELT signal if the plane crashed in the water. The ELT is likely destroyed or under the water. If it broke free and floated, mayb
93 steve7e7 : I had a thought that the crew could have become hypoxic which would explain the lack of comms but the a/c would still have continued on autopilot unti
94 woodentom : Reading all these posts is just like an episode of Sherlock assuming the worst may all the passengers rest in peace.....
95 thunderboltdrgn : I assume you mean ACARS? See Reply 14 and 17 in this thread.
96 747megatop : Really? PanAm Lockerbie incident, AI 182, USAir & United 737s with the rudder problem, the Air New Zealand crash off France (http://www.stuff.co.
97 Viscount724 : What reply are you referring to with a photo of this debris?
98 wjcandee : They have photos and video of them from the time they walked into the aiport until the time they boarded the flight. They are reviewing it to see who
99 s5daw : Was referring to possibility of crash on land in remote area rather than where they are searching. Problem of ELT under water is that water absorbs r
100 danvs : Yes, but even with the ADS-B and transpoders off, it would still be on ATC radar as a primary 'dot'. May be that's the info the Malaysian authorities
101 747megatop : The image is really not clear enough to make out what it is. At this point all we can say is that it is some sort of square with a hole in it (more l
102 UA787DEN : Potentially - and there's a chance some of that will come out after the fact. Perhaps when they finally find the 200 foot long plane. Until then, I p
103 Tod : Good thinking. Aft of R2 is a lav so no sidewall there. Maybe forward of the door. I don't have access to the IPC or Boeing drawings tonight to check
104 Redsand187 : As crazy as it may sound, 50ft of water probably has exponentially more stopping power then 300ft of pentagon. Remember, while the walls at the penta
105 garpd : A distinct possibility. A DC9 managed it some years back. But in that situation, the pilot was not fighting for control of the plane at the very last
106 s5daw : Here for example: https://twitter.com/TrongKhanhVu/status/442653199682383873 It seems to be a photo of a monitor showing very zoomed-in photo, the qu
107 Post contains links Mortyman : No, the article gave the impression that the system reported directly to Boeing of any abnormalities in flight behaviour ... How the newspaper has co
108 SEPilot : But it is an extremely rare event, especially from cruise (the 737's were on landing approach). And I believe almost all jetliners except for AF447 t
109 AS737MAX : Exactly, there would have been a radar return regardless of turning the transponder off, until it crashed, or lost the "dot" if a bomb did explode
110 LTC8K6 : Is an ELT likely to survive a crash on land? Or do you mean a survivable crash landing where a person would activate an ELT, or the G load activates
111 spacecadet : No, they didn't. Pan Am 103 and AI 182 were blown out of the sky. And we're talking about the possibility of that here too. The UA and US 737's that
112 DiamondFlyer : Even if there was an explosion that caused an immediate failure, short of it vaporizing the entire thing, you still should have some primary targets,
113 Daleaholic : I may have dreamt this but in the past, possibly the AF crash, didn't airliners fly at lower altitude in the area where the wreckage may have been? An
114 Finn350 : It might be that Norwegian Boeing 787s send ACARS information directly to the Boeing because Norwegian has a Boeing maintenance program. However, the
115 Post contains links 777Jet : IMO the image in the article below is not of a door of a MH 777. The bottom 1/3 of the doors on the MH 777s have the color red or red and blue which t
116 AS737MAX : Correct, there was a radar station off of Long Island, NY that picked up TW800 after the nose broke off, or being returned as multiple primary target
117 ikramerica : The bullet analogy doesn't apply. A bullet has very little mass, and thus it's momentum can be dissipated quite easily by a large amount of water. A b
118 garpd : My guess is this floating debris is an interior part. Either that, or it is nothing to do with the aircraft at all. Could be flotsam from a fishing bo
119 s5daw : Doors have two sides.... what's the interior color of a cargo door?
120 Post contains images Mortyman : Yes, I thought so too
121 tortugamon : The vertical stab is carbon fiber on the 777. Not to sound like too much of a jerk here but it is a relatively quick and simple google search for tha
122 777Jet : I agree. If that is the only thing spotted in the area then I would tend to think that it is more likely nothing to do with the aircraft at all.
123 DiamondFlyer : I would think, that if they had some primary returns, we could at least narrow down the search area. Given the haphazard nature in which this whole s
124 garpd : I think you are forgetting one thing: An aircraft is not a solid object. It is a metal (in this case) tube with air taking up a large volume of it's
125 awthompson : The ADSB transmission may have ceased due to a sudden catastrophic 'event' or the aircraft may have gone out of range of suitable receivers. There is
126 777Jet : The slight curve in the object would lead me to believe that if it was a door it is floating with the outside facing up in the water so should have t
127 IADLHR : Thats what I have started to think. After reading and hearing so much about this I have just about come to the conclusion that the plane had some kin
128 Post contains images horstroad : the location of the debris that might come from MH370 coincides with the possible change of the flight path...
129 apfpilot : That's ACARS, you can specify the receiver for specific types of messages and with MX it usually happens in the back group over either VHF/HF/Iridium
130 AR385 : It´s actually the third time. And yes, I agree with you. I don´t think too much stock need to be put on the airplane turning back. KAL 007 did a lo
131 Julian773 : Chances are that any objects that are found on its own don't belong to the aircraft. I would expect there to be more wreckage in the vicinity. I bet t
132 PIKtoYEG : Just watching BBC World Service, their live reporter in KA is providing a 'new' update: "the Black Box is not emitting any signal, as stated by Malays
133 747megatop : The point i am trying to make is that the planes did fall out of the sky (irrespective of whether they were blown up, stalled due to pilot error or f
134 awthompson : Apologies. The point of my post at reply 24 was to provide a general recap of all 6 parts to save newcomers the need to trawl through hundreds of pre
135 Post contains links UA787DEN : This article says a Window Fragment was found: http://mobile.businessweek.com/news/...ragment-found-by-vietnam-searchers I aapologize if this is old n
136 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Well like Hywel writes in reply 48 it could be as simple as that they were refugees on their way to Europe to seek asylum (see links below). However
137 hivue : They would have to know where the "black box" is to know that it is not pinging.
138 danvs : The debris is at 353° and 113NM from the last known position of MH370 (near IGARI waypoint, when the aircraft should be turning right to intercept a
139 Reffado : Glad they found something, even if small. Would be really terrifying to see something in the likes of RG 967 happening again.
140 Post contains links Razza74 : It is amazing that after 48 hours, nothing Even the RAAF is getting involved with 2 Orion http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...ished/story-fnizu68q-
141 gosimeon : What distance do they emit a signal to? I'd imagine most potential crash sites have at Least been scoured at a reasonable distance by now.
142 LTC8K6 : It's probably not from the plane, though.
143 horstroad : oh thanks. I didn't know the exact position, just eye-balled it from the graphic. anyways, this was my point:
144 CaptainKramer : Amazing, this thread has so far generated 7 parts, 1611 Posts, and is anyone out there any wiser, beyond the fact that all we know for certain is that
145 caribb : CNN is reporting the door is an "interior door".. so maybe to a lavatory or kitchen. There should be no colours on it. I've also read the door was a
146 huxrules : At this point I'm shocked that they still haven't found anything. So if we are blindly guessing - what are the chances of an inflight fire (electrical
147 Post contains images Mortyman : Proabably reading this forum
148 Post contains images LTC8K6 : It's pretty strange not to know anything official by now. I think that is fueling the speculation, and the longer this goes on without any real info,
149 zeke : The ADS link in the area is not via the mode S transponder, it is satellite based. The range is only 1-2km, it is a ultra sonic transmission. They ar
150 cipango : I can not see this being anything to do with the disappearance of MH 370. If it was, it would not be on its own, it would have at least a few more pi
151 CaptainKramer : Hi LTC8K6, Your spot on! But as I sort through the Wheat from the Chaff of this thread, I have come to the realisation I would never have the patience
152 stuyyz : I've learnt an incredible amount reading this, - search and rescue operations - how handoff btw ATC works - all about ACARS - passport and visa protoc
153 cipango : I just had a thought: People are going on and on about the stolen passports and many have implied that they "chose" the KUL-PEK on purpose. If they we
154 Hywel : Yep, I'm not treating it as suspicious until we have more facts. I've often flown from other countries to save money, e.g. flying IST-PEK-HKG instead
155 CaptainKramer : Hi stuyyz, yes you can learn alot if you read every post, but I did notice, I think it was in part 5 or 6, post 121 there was mention of ATC in Vietna
156 vfw614 : You folks need to realize that media outlets lift a lot of the information they publish in circumstances like the ones we are currently experiencing
157 cc2314 : Is the local news in Malasia/thailand and vietnam pushing this story?
158 LTC8K6 : The timing of the supposed communication was many minutes after it was gone from the radar. 1:22 versus "after 1:30"
159 cjg225 : Wasn't this found to be false?
160 apfpilot : AKA ADS-C which does position reporting automatically.
161 N328KF : It was alleged to be false. However, given that the "official" sources have been shown to be wrong on this, it's difficult to tell who to trust.
162 danvs : I commented on Part 4, reply 236: "There was a Malaysia Airlines A330 (KUL-KIX) which was ahead but a lot closer to MH370... I wonder why Vietnamese
163 wjcandee : I think it's a fair bet that some nefarious activity is involved with those two. The holders of two passports stolen a year apart end up walking into
164 CaptainKramer : Thanks LTC8K6, cjg225 and danvs for the clarification.[Edited 2014-03-09 17:33:43]
165 Starlionblue : Regarding speculation, this discussion comes up after every major crash. We come here to spitball and speculate. If you've followed the site for even
166 illinicmi : I apologize if this has been asked, but can the 777 dump fuel?
167 wjcandee : And one other thought...given how unusual it is for a major airliner to catastrophically depart from controlled flight, there are any number of possib
168 cipango : Yes it can. Most commercial aircraft have the ability to dump fuel, especially those used on long-haul flights.
169 wjcandee : Yes.
170 wjcandee : I don't know about "most", but this one can.
171 Starlionblue : Actually most commercial aircraft do not have the ability to dump fuel because the equipment adds weight and complexity. Nowadays it is pretty much o
172 Stabilator : Perhaps, but a 773 is considerably more massive than a bullet and would penetrate much further.
173 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : There has been (at least) three different pics posted about the oil slick(s). Two of them indeed looked just like natural organic organisms called Cy
174 illinicmi : Thanks. I know I've heard that some newer planes can't (maybe some from Airbus?), but perhaps those are smaller ones. Now humor me on this. What's th
175 cipango : Excuse my ignorance in that case! You learn something new everyday!
176 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Boeing have a diagram of the runway requirements of the B777: http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com...ercial/airports/acaps/7772sec3.pdf This is with
177 CaptainKramer : Flight BA38 a B777-236ER, landed on wet grass at LHR, while attempting a dead stick landing on runway 027L and pulled up, having broken the landing ge
178 wjcandee : A bullet is travelling fast, is solid, and is designed to penetrate. An airliner is mostly a frame (i.e. not solid), has all sorts of outcroppings, a
179 Post contains links ASA : Are you suggesting something along the lines of "Flight 714" ?!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_714 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKAqxO7bZwo
180 danvs : I don't know if this has been posted already, but I don't think so... I've read that Sepang FIR/ARTCC lost contact with MH370 before it entered Vietna
181 Post contains links Coal : http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-...ane-5-theories-what-could-have-hap Here's an interesting and less sensationalist recap by Singapore's Straits T
182 Airvan00 : Part of normal ATC procedure. When an aircraft fails to communicate at a scheduled transfer point, communication check will begin. 15 minutes later a
183 Starlionblue : No worries. Fuel dumping is only needed if the maximum take-off weight exceeds the maximum landing weight by a considerable margin, and this really o
184 wjcandee : Well, they've had a couple of hours of daylight over there now on yet another day, and still nothing. Remarkable.
185 zanl188 : Bullets are relatively solid, a 777 is relatively light & fragile. If a 777 was as "massive" as a bullet it wouldn't fly....
186 Mark2fly1034 : I am trying to fine where it was talked about if it all on here but CNN was saying it may of tired to turn around to head to KUL. Is there any source
187 Post contains images Coal : I think we're all hoping for Laszlo Carreidas to be on the flight and for it to have landed at Rastapopoulos' island somewhere between Flores and Tim
188 flyenthu : What about the wing damage from the past? I understand that after repairs the aircraft was certified to fly. However, this does not appear to be much
189 thunderboltdrgn : It is possible that the authorities knows if this was the case but this has (to my knowledge) not been confirmed and is just as much speculation as m
190 Coal : Might have tried? Well we are all doing it, so suggest you do it as well before posting. Nothing much has been said about that, however. I believe it
191 klmtom : Hi guys, First post the a.net forum and new to the website! First of all, and most importantly, thoughts go to the people affected. secondly, maybe th
192 illinicmi : Not suggesting anything, just exploring the possibility. Right now I guess I don't see how it's any less likely than any other scenario. I'm also gue
193 Starlionblue : I'm sure the investigators are looking at this angle. However if the repair was done according to Boeing specs and certified correct, the wing would
194 specks159 : While the wing damage looked bad, it only barely reached the outboard aileron. There is still the chance that the incident a few years ago could have
195 flylku : It surprises me that the primary returns from the various radar systems have not shed more light (so we are told). In 2000 I was once flying over West
196 Web500sjc : Has anyone noticed that the jet would have a glide distance between 100-120nm from 35.000. With derbies being 113nm, away from the last known positio
197 Post contains images Coal : For those of you who are Geographically challenged, I just wanted to post a map showing roughly where MH370 lost contact as well as where the Andaman
198 SuperVC10er : Please note that in the thread title the airline's name should be "Malaysia Airlines" not Malaysian Airlines. Let's hope we get some firm news on this
199 Starlionblue : Furthermore, the 777 has roll control from three sources: outboard aileron, inboard aileron and spoilers. So even without the outer aileron, roll con
200 CaptainKramer : Thanks Airvan00, when I said "communications failure", it implied a technical failure, when "failed to make contact on the new frequency." was more th
201 Redsand187 : Figure the force over area. I'll bet you anything a solid lead bullet has more force over it's surface area then a hollow aluminum plane. Roughly 315
202 flyenthu : Say, if there was a major issue with that wing. Let's say part of it broke off, could it sever communications completely and immediately that nothing
203 specks159 : Hypothetically, if the wingtip were to fall off, lock the outboard aileron, and then drain all of the hydraulic fluid in the area, is the hydraulic s
204 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://tuoitrenews.vn/society/18186/...t-not-related-to-mh370-us-rescuers U.S. search and rescue forces have confirmed the floating object a Singapore
205 stuyyz : I don't think the plane can be on land anywhere, as there would be 227 cell phones trying to text/emai/twitter, etc.... as soon as the plane is low e
206 Senchingo : This is kind of a first time to happen under the given circumstances. We are able to discuss over the internet in real time on forums and blogs around
207 MillwallSean : Well cheapest tickets was mentioned before and makes sense if they are westerners. if they are Syrian refugees etc then its more likely due to the fa
208 CaptainKramer : For those in the know. There was mention of a left turn from heading 024 to 333 IIRC. Now the Malaysian B777-200ER sustained damage on the starboard (
209 Post contains images cal764 : RIP all souls on board. Do we know which organization will be spearheadding the investigation? Chances are good NTSB, Boeing, the engine manufacture a
210 jetblueguy22 : The way I was always taught was that those distances were calculated under perfect conditions with test pilots performing them. The captain had a lot
211 777Jet : The idea that it landed on the water at low speed like US Airways 1549 but sank in one piece is possible (the LHR BA 777 looked not too bad after hit
212 specks159 : If the wingtip simply fell off, there would be a tendency to roll to the right. Not only would there be more drag on the starboard side, but the wing
213 RomeoBravo : i was under the impression planes landing overweight was perfectly doable, it would just mean checks before the plane can be used again. one wonders
214 flyenthu : Another point that just crossed my mind is that AF 447 came down intact and the passengers did not know about the event taking place. I think there we
215 danvs : It's allegedly the opposite: from 024 to 333. And also why ATC couldn't see them gliding over such a long distance with their primary radar.
216 CaptainKramer : With a passenger manifest released, it will be interesting to see where the two passengers with the stolen passports were seated on the aircraft. If t
217 Post contains links infinit : On the two men traveling on stolen passports: "Malaysian Home Minister says the passengers who used stolen European passports were of Asian appearance
218 Mir : I'd think the dirt would subtract from the landing distance, as it would likely not be able to support the weight of the plane, and the gear would si
219 IADLHR : On one of the locked threads there were comments about cheap ground transportation between BKK-KUL . In some travel books that is mention too.
220 celestar : I still maintain my first guess that this is an act of terriorist attack by the East Turkistan Movement at Xin Jiang. 1. Moden airliners don't disappe
221 WingedMigrator : That is a rather mistaken notion. Aircraft are quite fragile structures designed to operate in a fluid less than one thousandth the density of water.
222 Post contains links apfpilot : You would be surprised how many airplanes are flying around that have had damage of that type and are still tooling around. I've seen some pretty hef
223 comair25 : Last known radar reports puts the plane around FL350, I highly doubt anyone was going to get a text or call out. And it was actually 2 hours after le
224 gcb5196 : Paraphrasing the FAR's if I remember correctly, so forgive me if I'm wrong. An aircraft can be designed to have a takeoff weight over max landing weig
225 Airvan00 : In your case i expect you were illuminated by multiple radars. In this case it appears to be on the very edge, if not beyond, the coverage of primary
226 CXfirst : I believe there are 3 separate hydraulic systems, so if the entire right one failed, there should still be no problem. Also, regarding the wing tip.
227 hivue : Anyone wishing to commit an act of terror on an airliner would be pretty stupid to buy a one-way ticket.
228 UA787DEN : I don't think it MUST have a way to dump fuel if it has a MTOW over MGLW, but because of the insane difference between those numbers on Widebodies, m
229 asetiadi : This is something that I never understand.... if you can track down a missile, why can't you track down a big plane? Another thing is, why is it so ha
230 Post contains links rdu2sfo : This may have answered the question I was going to ask, which is, do we know the coverage of primary radar in the area where contact was last made. I
231 CaptainKramer : Further to the damaged starboard wing failure scenario, and out of curiousity, if the aircraft rolled to the right, because of increased drag and redu
232 Coal : No it wasn't. I strongly suggest you read through all of the ~1,250 posts like the rest of us have done, and/or check your assumptions first. If they
233 airplane : Something has to come up float. Pieces of seat cushions, panels, fabric, etc. it's impossible for it to just vanish completely
234 DeltaMD90 : It's been explained, many times that you aviate, navigate, THEN communicate. When it hits the fan, the only thing you should be doing is getting the
235 argonaught : It's not impossible that there are survivors, whose chances to be rescued are dwindling with every passing hour.
236 Airvan00 : Missiles are higher. Radar (at least what we are talking about here) is line of sight.
237 Boeing717200 : Historically that's what most have done. I'll grant you most of them are stupid.
238 jetblueguy22 : Aviate, navigate, communicate. Yeah it sounds bizarre to not call up and alert anybody. But your primary mission is to safely overcome this issue. Ev
239 RomeoBravo : perhaps i'm overlooking something obvious, but what makes you say that?
240 Coal : But if you think of how this would play out, e.g. two European backpackers on an extended vacation in SE Asia, now returning home, is not all that un
241 btfarrwm : Exactly. A plane hitting the water in a dive is akin to stomping on an empty beer can.
242 Post contains links N328KF : http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/wo...aysia-airlines-flight.html?hp&_r=1
243 rdu2sfo : The one-way ticket concept is stupid if you are a terrorist because a one-way ticket naturally attracts more scrutiny, and the assumption is that a te
244 danvs : The last known position is near IGARI waypoint, where they should turn right heading 059° to intercept airway M765. It was turning right when it van
245 Airvan00 : Quoting rdu2sfo (Reply 230): Increasingly, it seems to me that there is no one in charge of the SAR effort. What I would consider a fairly chaotic SAR
246 CaptainKramer : Hi Celestar, If the missing Malaysian B777 was a politically motivated act of Terrorism, then it does seem strange that if it was a bomb that was deto
247 747megatop : Not to mention all the fuel and oil; it has to be visible as a giant oil slick!
248 XT6Wagon : Widebodies can land at MTOW if needed. Max landing wieght is for safe *routine* operation. If you need to land, doing so at MTOW runs the risk of dam
249 nm2582 : In terms of mobilized search crews/planes/ships - any ideas on how the number and capabilities of these resources add up? Are they overwhelmed with th
250 N328KF : If you haven't inferred it from the discussion of previous explosions, water means a tougher investigation.
251 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh370/#2d81a27 ~40 minutes to loss of data, is very close to official reports as far as flight time, track,
252 UA787DEN : Point taken. I was merely pointing out that there is no manufacturing requirement (AFAIK) for fuel dumping - just widebodies are more likely to be ab
253 LTC8K6 : Last three FR24 headings are 25 28 and 40.
254 CXfirst : Yes, landing over MLW just requires some extensive checks before the aircraft can take off again, although any pilot would try to dump some fuel at l
255 Viscount724 : I believe citizens of all countries in Europe require a visa to enter China. From what I can find, to obtain a tourist visa you have to show evidence
256 Web500sjc : Just as an example, on a business jet I get to fly the checklist including memory items for a dual engine failure are 1) thrust levers idle (this com
257 dirktraveller : I was surprised that the two mysterious passengers were of Asian descent, clearly this does not look like the profile some have speculated in previou
258 dragon6172 : Has there been confirmation that the Malacca Strait is being searched or not?
259 CaptainKramer : If the last three heading turns were to the right, the outboard ailerons would be locked out during high speed flight at any rate, placing no loads on
260 kiwiinoz : Amazed that the Malacca Strait is a possibility. Surely it would have been tracked crossing back over the peninsula.
261 Airvan00 : Don't rely too much on the loss of contact from FlightRadar24. It just gathers VHF information and a lot of the information is supplied from equipmen
262 Web500sjc : Just because they don't look like the ethnicity of the country on the passport, doesn't make them suspicious... And, at least in America, you don't h
263 ltbewr : There may indeed a lot more known when and where this flight may have ended up in the water but their sources. This event occurred in a area of some
264 hivue : The nytimes.com article had the one and only photo of the "slick" I have seen. A poster on a previous part of this thread who is a marine scientist s
265 dampfnudel : Since 9/11, passengers with one-way tickets are scrutinized more so any smart terrorist today would get a round trip ticket.
266 cbrboy : I think the fact that the two travellers were on CZ tickets to CPH and FRA via a circuitous route suggests that they were actually trying to get to t
267 N328KF : I was born in India, have a very German name, and a US passport and citizenship. Would you have me denied boarding?
268 dragon6172 : This is what I thought as well. Then I began to wonder if the difference in the initial reports of time was the difference between two events. Meanin
269 F9Animal : With satellite technology, can they help any? I would think it would be of some help.
270 hivue : So how does flightradar24 do ADSB tracking of aircraft farther out in the gulf? Also, I believe it was the Chinese who reported the turn.
271 LTC8K6 : I don't rely on it, that's why I said it matches official reports. If it did not match, I wouldn't use it to illustrate the flight.
272 RickNRoll : The only problem with that theory is that this is a Malaysian airline, not a Chinese one, and Malaysia is a Muslim country.
273 Post contains links Markam : Interesting article on The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ia-airlines-flight-mh370-black-box
274 Post contains images LTC8K6 : Is your passport reported stolen?
275 Post contains images barney captain : It seems highly unlikely that a bomb or wing separation at altitude took place - the debris field would be massive and easy to spot. Imagine throwing
276 Starlionblue : All this is true, but you have to assume: - Radar coverage. - Radar manning. - Recording of radar data. Any number of things could have happened that
277 Web500sjc : Quick Electrical power loss... Anyone know what the RAT powers on the 777?
278 Coal : I was wondering this myself. It seems there should be more than adequate equipment. But who is coordinating the activities? Too many cooks spoil the
279 Coal : Also, I was referring to them only booking a one way, presumably out of Southeast Asia (assuming they were going back home to Europe). I would also r
280 Coal : How could they be over the Malacca Strait? A) Check a few posts above, I posted for those Geographically challenged a map of where the aircraft lost
281 tharanga : AI182 and PA103 didn't have, I don't think, credible and quick claims of responsibility. I don't see any particular reason to favor a hypothesis of s
282 WSTAKL : Man, give it rest will you. I don't see the red lettering 'Forum Moderator' next to your name but you sure are acting like one! People don't have to
283 dirktraveller : I do apologise if I'm misleading both of you suggesting that everyone of Asian descent having a western name and passport is subject to suspiscion. I
284 solarflyer22 : This is a real tragedy for all the families so my heart goes out to them. The bio on the pilot indicated that this guy was a pure aviator with 18K + f
285 Senchingo : It generates about 7.5kva and powers the center hydraulic systems, some backup hydraulic systems, flight control systems and the FMC if i'm not mista
286 777Jet : Unless there was an act of Martyrdom...
287 Starlionblue : There have been at least twelve hijackings since 9/11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#2000s Not necessarily. AF447 did not
288 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : Hi All, Part 8 has been created. Please continue the conversation in that thread, which can be found here MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute
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