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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 79671 times:
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Due to length part 8 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 9.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 79886 times:

Looking at the photos of suspected debris from MH370 I ask why arent those SAR guys able to make a photo thats better than with a 1999 cellphone?
Can someone please give them a decent 200 $ camera with a tele lens to add to their multi-million $ plane?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17043 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 79647 times:

Quoting na (Reply 1):

Looking at the photos of suspected debris from MH370 I ask why arent those SAR guys able to make a photo thats better than with a 1999 cellphone?
Can someone please give them a decent 200 $ camera with a tele lens to add to their multi-million $ plane?

Won't they have to have to send a ship or helicopter to investigate anyway? I imagine their job is to scan with binoculars and mark one eyeballs and taking pictures is secondary.

Also, even at 1000 feet, you need quite a telephoto lens to make things clear from a moving aircraft.

[Edited 2014-03-10 03:38:06]

[Edited 2014-03-10 03:42:52]

[Edited 2014-03-10 03:49:27]


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User currently offlinemila From Sweden, joined May 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 78549 times:

According to Swedish media now one of the PAX that was traveling on a stolen passport has been identified.

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1738 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 78556 times:

This whole thing is mind-boggling. They could find the AF crash site after a couple of days in the middle of a vast Ocean, yet the MH aircraft supposedly went down relatively close to land and nothing can be found.

It feels like the Malaysian government is hiding something...

Nothing can be ruled out... some theories more likely than others. Maybe the false passports are just a coincidence? The passengers were booked onto PEK-Europe flights so why would they attack a plane on the first leg of their journey? Unless whatever they had detonated early?

It is frustrating... and we are not involved parties here... The families, friends and colleagues of all those poor people on the flight must be beyond distraught right now... I cannot imagine how it must feel. They need find the wreckage, just to give them that confirmation.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17043 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 78359 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 4):
It feels like the Malaysian government is hiding something...

This begs the question why they would want to hide something.

In any case assets from six (?) different countries are searching, and several of these countries are engaged in minor territorial spats with each other (Vietnam, The Philippines and PRC over the Spratly Islands for example). They're not enemies but they're not always the best of friends either. Meaning I don't think they could all hide something.

[Edited 2014-03-10 03:54:38]


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offline77west From New Zealand, joined Jun 2009, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 78174 times:

Thoughts to the family and friends of those aboard MH370.

My theories are in order of likelihood: 1.) Terrorism 2.) Suicide 3.) Shootdown 4.) Mechanical Failure.

As to where she is... well all I can say is that even my workmates who mock my interest in aviation are intrigued and worried about this situation.

A commercial jet does not do this. Ever. In the history of aviation.

You know, sadly, my mum was the first to notify me of this and I saw it on my mobile, didn't say the aircraft type but when I saw the headline for some reason my blood ran cold and I though, oh no, the 777's time is up.

And sure enough after clicking the link there it was. A part of me still hopes it has landed on a remote island and everyone is well.

Please return to us 9M-MRO.



77West
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 77951 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
Also, even at 1000 feet, you need quite a telephoto lens to make things clear from a moving aircraft.

Thats why I wrote that they need a good camera.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
Won't they have to have to send a ship or helicopter to investigate anyway? I imagine their job is to scan with binoculars

In the first place, sure. But if they have detected debris it should be expected that they fly around it a the lowest hight possible (whats that for a decent SAR plane, 50 meters, 30?) and take enough GGOD pictures so no ship is wasted in the wrong location.


User currently offlineah414211 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 77974 times:

Sounds like the floating object thought to be a life raft was actually a cable reel :


BREAKING [6:24pm]: Floating object spotted in ocean turns out to be cable reel and not life raft.


Also, they're saying the analysis of the oil slick has determined that it ISN'T related to MH370.

Link: http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html


User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 77950 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):

thank you for your reply. It seems extremely unlikely that they'd lose all comms, therefore- an incredible series of events would be necessary. But then, most accidents are...

does anybody know how busy the sea is towards borneo or the eastern part of Malaysia? How good might the primary radar coverage be there?

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:06:08]

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:07:00]

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17043 posts, RR: 66
Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 77774 times:

Quoting 77west (Reply 6):
A commercial jet does not do this. Ever. In the history of aviation.

Several airliners have been lost for quite a while before being found. AF447 to quote a relatively recent example. There are even jet airliners that have never been found, such as Varig flight 967.

I have little doubt we will find out what happened eventually, but it may take a while.

Quoting na (Reply 7):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
Won't they have to have to send a ship or helicopter to investigate anyway? I imagine their job is to scan with binoculars

In the first place, sure. But if they have detected debris it should be expected that they fly around it a the lowest hight possible (whats that for a decent SAR plane, 50 meters, 30?) and take enough GGOD pictures so no ship is wasted in the wrong location.

Fair point.

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:04:36]


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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 76979 times:

I believe it is ICAO standard for all systems used for air traffic services to record & archive their data for a minimum of 30 days. Based on this document I found, it seems that not all countries are always in compliance: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1934/20100...SurveillanceDataLetterOfIntent.pdf

Does anyone know whether it is likely that primary radar being used in the area was not recording?

It seems to me likely that military radar would be more accurate and higher powered, but what do we know about primary radar coverage in the area in general? I imagine the military wouldn't rush to share information with the public.

I think primary radar gives SAR teams the best hope of finding the plane.



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User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 76559 times:

I think all thoughts and comments are pure speculation. There is not even a wreck, debris etc, to say nothing of FDR and VR.

What is available are some radar data showing that the aircraft disappeared. A loss of engine power would at least make the aircraft gliding, which then would have been seen on radar. An example for such an event was some years ago an A330 from Canada gliding to an alternate airport safely.

What I am wondering about is, why the FDR, and possibly the VR, data are not sent to the maintenance basis live and constantly. Technically it shouldn't be a problem. A loss of a FDR would then not be so dramatic.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 76297 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 11):
Does anyone know whether it is likely that primary radar being used in the area was not recording?

As I wrote in the last thread - primary radar usually has a range of less than 60nm, so it would be my guess that the aircraft had left the range of a PSR if there was one on the east coast...

As an ATC I would find it unlikely that the upper airspace used PSR data... It would be almost exclusively SSR. I have worked upper airspace and I never had primary radar there...



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User currently offline77west From New Zealand, joined Jun 2009, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 76333 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
Several airliners have been lost for quite a while before being found. AF447 to quote a relatively recent example. There are even jet airliners that have never been found, such as Varig flight 967.I have little doubt we will find out what happened eventually, but it may take a while.

They found bits of 447 within days. No sign of 370 yet and no ACARS or other data to go off. Please tell me what other modern aircraft has ended up in this situation? As for 967, I can';t consider that a modern airliner by any respect. And SAR was not quite what it is today. As some others have put it, we can locate a $200 phone anywhere in the world but not a 250,000,000 airliner.



77West
User currently offlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 76349 times:

From the previous thread by Windshear:

Quote:
The plane is missing and if the satelite could not detect it crashing, why would it detect it blowing up? The fireball is usually not very big on smaller improvised deviced like a suicide vest, the fire would be instant inside the cabin, but would be out already at hull breach and in flight breakup... This does not rule out terrorism.

The NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) has the capability to detect intercontinental missile launches based on their infrared signature in the upper atmosphere. The NORAD should be able to detect if a plane explodes at a high alitude due to the fireball and the infrared signature it is producing. Due to the atmosphere, it is not possible to detect small explosions at ground level from space using this technology.


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 944 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 76117 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 4):
Nothing can be ruled out... some theories more likely than others. Maybe the false passports are just a coincidence? The passengers were booked onto PEK-Europe flights so why would they attack a plane on the first leg of their journey? Unless whatever they had detonated early?

This has been discussed to extenuation here. With an European passport AND a flight bound to Europe you don't need a pre-arranged visa to transit through PEK. Which means that your passport would have never been checked by Chinese authorities in a consulate (where a fake passport would be easier spotted than in a check-in counter in KUL) before entering China... or a Chinese aircraft.

In the terrorism hypothesis, why wait for your second leg? Going through another airport (additional security, screenings) would increase the chances that you are caught.

Also, if you want to attack Chinese interests... it would make more sense to do it in a KUL-PEK than in a PEK-Europe flight. PEK-Europe would be completely overland (higher probability of emergency landing with a good outcome) and likely a higher percentage of non-Chinese on board in a flight from Malaysia than to Europe. In the KUL flight the overwhelming majority of passengers had Chinese passports or were ethnic Chinese even if holding Western passports.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
There are even jet airliners that have never been found, such as Varig flight 967.

Interesting. Apparently it has been the only major aircraft disaster of which not a single trace has never been found. Still, this was in the middle of the Pacific... not comparable to the Gulf of Thailand.

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:17:31]

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1738 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 75903 times:

Quoting 77west (Reply 6):
You know, sadly, my mum was the first to notify me of this and I saw it on my mobile, didn't say the aircraft type but when I saw the headline for some reason my blood ran cold and I though, oh no, the 777's time is up.

My blood ran cold when I heard the news and would have done no matter what the aircraft type was. The way this thread is going, is that people seem to think this is far more awful than anything that has happened before because it involves the 777.

Human lives have been lost and it doesn't matter one iota to the families of those involved what the aircraft type was, nor should it matter to us.

The fact of the matter is that a plane went down and we need to know why it happened and how it could have happen. Questions that should answered irrespectively. Yes, it is unlikely it was a mechanical failure but believe it or not the 777 like any other aircraft type is not invincible. No aircraft is.



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User currently offlinemichi From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 75668 times:

http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html

New report of debris somewhere else.


User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2411 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 75367 times:

In the last thread, satellite imagery was suggested in order to find wreckage faster.

In the search for Steve Fossett, Amazon's "Mechanical Turk" was employed to do a crowd-based review of recent satellite imagery. In natural disasters, the crowds also help with mapping still usable roads based on very recent imagery.

I wondered about this earlier...

GeoEye's imagery has a resolution of 0.41 meters, which should be enough debris found in AF447. But here, no debris has been found at all...


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 75346 times:

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 15):
The NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) has the capability to detect intercontinental missile launches based on their infrared signature in the upper atmosphere. The NORAD should be able to detect if a plane explodes at a high alitude due to the fireball and the infrared signature it is producing. Due to the atmosphere, it is not possible to detect small explosions at ground level from space using this technology.

ICBM apogee is roughly 100 times higher than an airliner isn't it? 700 miles or so?


User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 75341 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 16):

Is connecting luggage scanned again upon connection?

if not, then I'd argue that might in fact make the second leg more plausible than the first. Why bother with a connecting ticket to AMS, then onwards?


User currently offlinePhilV From Germany, joined Feb 2009, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 75483 times:

Someone posted this link in another Forum:
http://www.tienphong.vn/xa-hoi/truc-...eu-manh-vo-gan-vung-tau-684926.tpo

Is this new?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17043 posts, RR: 66
Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 75095 times:

Quoting chieft (Reply 12):
What I am wondering about is, why the FDR, and possibly the VR, data are not sent to the maintenance basis live and constantly. Technically it shouldn't be a problem. A loss of a FDR would then not be so dramatic.

This has been covered. The expense for such a system would be huge and the safety benefit would be marginal, if any. Not economically defensible.

Some airlines have ACARS transmissions on a continual basis. It seems MH did not. It is a paid service.

It is also important to note that the job of the DFDR and CVR are not there to help in rescue and recovery. They are there to solve the crash and provide data to prevent future accidents.

Quoting 77west (Reply 14):
As some others have put it, we can locate a $200 phone anywhere in the world but not a 250,000,000 airliner.

The logistical issues are somewhat different as phones have to be rather close to cell towers and they don't move at Mach 0.85.

Even so, most airliners do report position, speed, altitude and heading every second with ADS-B. If such reporting ends for some reason at cruise altitude there's no magical way to extrapolate more than a rough position estimate. The number of variables is quite high.

If you think about it, no lives would have been saved by immediately locating the wreckage of, say, AF447 within a few hours? If this aircraft has crashed in the ocean, immediate location would not have saved anyone either.


If a new technology can potentially save lives, I'm all for it. However easier location of wreckage has a very marginal potential benefit when it comes to saving lives. It could be argued that all you're doing is making planes more expensive and complex for the benefit of speeding up a multi-year investigation by a few days. Maybe. In extremely rare cases.

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:26:41]

[Edited 2014-03-10 04:27:04]


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User currently offlineredadeco From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 75096 times:

Quoting 77west (Reply 6):
My theories are in order of likelihood: 1.) Terrorism 2.) Suicide 3.) Shootdown 4.) Mechanical Failure.

Why terrorism as a 1st reason? I personally dismiss this theory. All the speculations on terrorism are centred on Uyghur muslims living in XinJiang province who currently have issues with the central Chinese government; however, why the h**k would they target the flag carrier of a Muslim country with presumably passengers sharing the same faith as them.

I would've considered terrorism as a possible route to explore if this was an Air China flight, for instance.

The fake passport holders are in my opinion mere illegal immigrants/drug mules bound for Europe.


25 Finn350 : Yes, but my understanding is that the launch is detected shortly after the launch at a significanlyt lower altitude than the apogee. I am not sure if
26 nupogodi : The implication is, then, that by turning off ADS-B and transponder, they could effectively disappear and be anywhere in the Gulf, as long as they di
27 77west : I am terribly sorry for the perceived unfeeling behaviour. Of course any accidents is too much, weather a C182 or an A380. I simply meant that for so
28 LTC8K6 : The sea sawdust is not new. I'm not sure about the small bright objects in the water. If they are not whitecaps...
29 JimJupiter : "60km southeast of Vung Tau, a coastal city in Vietnam" That would be way off the current search area.
30 Starlionblue : Primary radar can also be shipborne, and radar sites don't blanket the coast, or are always set right at the shore.
31 SCQ83 : A ticket KUL-PEK would require a prearranged Visa in a Chinese consulate for an European passport holder. That would be more certainly more bothering
32 Speedbird128 : Yes and no. The military have better tracking capabilites than us civvies ever would. But that's another kettle of fish. Maybe they weren't watching
33 77west : Working in IT, I actually do realize this but still think it stupid given our technology today. At this point I am sad to agree that saving lives is
34 345tas : I think the fact one of the stolen passport holders has been identified but no further details are being released could *possibly* indicate that they
35 gr325 : I am not entirely sure if this has been discussed. I know the odds are very unlikely but would it be possible the aircraft has been hit by a meteor or
36 Speedbird128 : Sure, I am also familiar with those, but I know of no ATC unit using ship-borne PSR. I was responding entirely to the civilian aspect of the question
37 redadeco : Welcome to the speculation club! I'd give this a 0.0001% chance and it's already an overestimation.
38 nupogodi : It had been discussed with varying levels of tongue-in-cheek. "Big sky" and all that, it would certainly be an incredibly improbable event.
39 77west : 777 - 18 Years of pretty much trouble free operation, hence statistics show that airplane failure is low on the list. Pilot error, not likely at FL35
40 Post contains links vfw614 : More information that one of the two passengers travelling under false identity has been identified: http://my.news.yahoo.com/identity-on...-confirmed
41 Starlionblue : I've worked in IT most of my career and I agree with you but I can't really see an economically reasonable way to get around the issue. The problem i
42 77west : I had though of that today actually. Also, what about a drone, military or otherwise? If this is the case I hope they find the bloody thing lodged in
43 Asiaflyer : Makes sense. An aircraft can just not disappear, even if it is blown into pieces on 35000 ft altitude. There are too many items which floats in an ai
44 ltbewr : One other terror possibility - a person on the ground crew (mechanic, baggage) at KUL placed a bomb at or near a fuel tank, critical structures to bri
45 Post contains links wisborg : Not correct - the tickets included flights to AMS within 72 hours, so would not require a prearranged visa - see http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/ce/cedk/eng/
46 UALWN : Not really. Contact was lost 30 min after taking off from NRT.
47 77west : We are on the same page here. I am checking for news every hour at least and every hour that passes my rational brain gets more upset by this. Firstl
48 breiz : Thread part no. 9! And the B777 disappeared only 3 days ago. I am amazed to see how much can be written out of nearly no information.
49 Post contains images Starlionblue : Possible, but even in a "major boom" scenario, let's call it a TWA800 type explosion, you'd still get large bits and pieces in the water. That was in
50 Post contains links AngMoh : Just have a look at this article about how little was found back from MI185: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...e-terrible-implications-for-mh370
51 trex8 : Al Qaeda have killed more muslims than "westerners" ! And they weren't collateral damage. Has any report come out as to any "celebrities" on the pass
52 Kaiarahi : So what does that tell you about the source and credibility of the alleged debris photos published so far. Hint - none of them are related to MH370.
53 vfw614 : From an amateur point of view, I was expecting this to be a rather straightforward SAR operation. As it is more or less agreed that it is very unlike
54 michi : Until now, we don't know nothing so far. The search found nothing. However, this debris was seen more ore less under the planned flight path of MH370
55 Post contains images j77w : I've been reading this thread almost hourly ever since this whole affair started. There've been some pretty solid arguments for - and against - all o
56 77west : I do realize this. Sattelite 'transmitters' all over the airframe would no work. A colleague asked, don't the black boxes talk to satellites? And I w
57 trex8 : It was a China Airlines 747 SP I think you are referring to. Don't mix up CA and CI. In theory their two "countries" are still in a civil war!
58 Starlionblue : Sorry oops! Forgot to double check. Yes I know the difference between Mainland China and Taiwan. I've edited my post to correct the error. [Edited 20
59 flyingturtle : At least in Switzerland, there's a tax on any insurance that is deemed as investment (e.g. life insurance, or insuring a car or household effects). S
60 77west : Cheers J77W; a bit of hope goes a long way right? I am holding out hope until that (sadly) inevitable moment they hoist the vertical stab out of the
61 Post contains links 456 : Your memory is ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_006
62 345tas : I can't link because I'm on my phone but the Australian Broadcasting Corporation was reporting earlier that the 5 pax who failed to board are being in
63 Post contains links redadeco : http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...-370-search-continues-live-updates "China Xinhua News ✔ @XHNews Follow #Breaking: Local media: Tests reveal t
64 anfromme : That blog paints a pretty bleak picture, setting an expectation of hardly anything being recoverable. However, about 73% of the wreckage (by weight)
65 Post contains links PanAmPaul : It turns out that the oil slick came from a ship, not the missing 777. The search goes on... Maritime Official: Oil Slicks Not from Missing Malaysia A
66 LTC8K6 : I still think it went into the sea near IGARI waypoint. I don't think it went much farther than that area. With the lack of info or debris, I am begin
67 Post contains images YokoTsuno : Has been discussed. Mid air landing into an Antonov 225 is however still open for discussion
68 Post contains links SpaceshipDC10 : Voilà http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-1...passengers-failed-to-board/5310874
69 77west : Really I so hope you are right. I have a funny feeling about this one and I really hope she appears however unlikely. But seriously how long do we lo
70 Post contains links ben175 : Oh my god. This is journalism at its absolute WORST. http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...agedy/story-fnhocxo3-1226849027718
71 77west : First time for everything right?
72 77west : Ironic when the PAX have more faith than the media right?
73 DTWPurserBoy : If the plane had exploded at high altitude there would be massive amounts of debris floating--there is none which makes me think it went down relative
74 redadeco : The tickets of the two suspect passengers were bought from an agency in Pattaya through an Iranian man (i.e. the passengers in question were not prese
75 warreng24 : So let's say that we give them a 10 MP camera. That would mean approximately a 1.1 MB file size with JPEG compression. The data link capabilities for
76 Bongodog1964 : A 772ER has a far greater structure than a 737, there would be proportionally more to show up. Additionally the example you quoted fell into a swampy
77 cbrboy : Details in the linked story provide some insight into earlier reports that a Malaysian immigration or customs official had been arrested or questione
78 Starlionblue : It took two years to find the recorders, but it only took a day or two to find parts of AF447, so at least it was positively determined it had crashe
79 redadeco : The men travelling on stolen passports “were not Asian looking" according to Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman.
80 RayChuang : If that oil slick discovered is fuel NOT from a jet airliner, then the loss becomes even more mysterious indeed. It's almost like the plane effectivel
81 JimJupiter : It took them less than 2 days to find debris from AF447. I think it's natural that people are curious, you don't have to be a spoiled brat for that.
82 thenoflyzone : If the plane seemed to be turning back on radar screens (which is what they were saying yesterday), then the plane might be in another sector entirely
83 redadeco : This is now funny: "Asked to clarify the appearance of passengers on stolen passports, Rahman bizarrely suggested they looked like the black Italian f
84 Post contains links redadeco : Theguardian created a live coverage section for MH370, here you go: http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...-370-search-continues-live-updates[Edited 2
85 BackSeater : While in flight, can one logically stop or physically power down ADS-B? ACARS?
86 theaviator380 : My questions are, 1. How long this search operation will continue ? (Search around flight path area) 2. If they call it a day, would they be looking s
87 Post contains links PhilV : Last known Heading was 040. Might be possible. avherald: http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0 'Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center rep
88 Hywel : Asked to clarify the appearance of passengers on stolen passports, Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman bizarrely suggested they
89 LTC8K6 : 281nm away from the last position?
90 Bongodog1964 : Until a fortnight ago I was unaware of the use of European names in this part of the World, then I met the case of a 99 year old Burmese lady Mabel a
91 B747forever : Even with complete loss of electrical power, I have a hard time believing that a radar, be it a military one, wouldnt be able to pick up the 777s pos
92 Finn350 : Besides the name, even a most cursory comparison of a person of African or Asian descent and a passport having a photo of a Caucausian descent should
93 Starlionblue : Easy peasy. Just switch off the transponder for ADS-B, or pull the circuit breaker. Not sure if ACARS has a switch but everything has a circuit break
94 lnglive1011yyz : Is this some sick joke, or is this an actual quote? If so, please provide source. 1011yyz
95 Post contains links s5daw : Just remembered the USAF F-16 which crashed over Adriatic sea. The debris was found the next day IIRC and it took 3 days to find the pilot's body (he
96 Post contains links 456 : This has been said during the press conference http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraf...ssing--says-airline-023820132.html
97 Post contains links Finn350 : It appears to be an actual quote. See for example: http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...-370-search-continues-live-updates
98 je89_w : It's true. Just saw it on TV.
99 redadeco : 100%, unless immigration at KLIA turned a blind eye ($$), the reason behind this is that Malaysia's civil aviation chief just declared that one suspe
100 LTC8K6 : See posts 22 and 28.
101 vfw614 : Although these are often not official names in my experience, but rather self-given names. I don't think that is possible in a biometric passport as
102 B747forever : How far can a 777 @FL350 glide if it loses all power?
103 peterinlisbon : It possible that this aircraft could have been hijacked and landed somewhere way off course, or have continued flying for many hours in an unknown dir
104 LTC8K6 : Not that far. Well, if it could glide that far it could have gone back to the airport...
105 Post contains images flyingturtle : Wow. Let's hope that this debris field gives a clue. Marine pollution tends to concentrate due to oceanic currents, so a relatively fresh debris fiel
106 Toni_ : "The suggestion that the two passengers on false passport resembled the footballer Balotelli was greeted by laughter at the press conference." Sure, l
107 Post contains links vr-hkg : And we've come full circle, back to the vicinity of the flower plantations from Part 5: MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5
108 Starlionblue : Conservatively a 1:15 glide ratio. 35000 feet is 10.67km so in excess of 160km in still air.
109 Aesma : Whatever the person looks like (and Balotelli doesn't look Asian at all), what matters is that they should look like the photo on their passports. Or
110 vfw614 : I think I read somewhere that it loses 1 feet altitude for every 10-15 feet distance covered - but don't quote me on that, my recollection could be w
111 B747forever : Way out of reach of current debris field then.
112 Post contains links wingz : What about the possibility of a fuel tank explosion, as happened to TWA800. As I understand it the FAA has mandated inerting systems on new aircraft,
113 Skippy777 : Maybe a weird thing, but what if the select transponder code has been turned off. I think all the data will not be visible for the radar stations. May
114 vfw614 : I guess the problem is that the sea in that region is rather polluted by waste. So unless something undoubtedly belonging to an airliner is spotted fr
115 Post contains links j77w : If that's not bad enough, check out this link: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...ts-boeing-777s-20140309-34f9g.html Whenever a major event or in
116 redadeco : Obviously passports were forged/passengers somewhat bypassed immigration, the original holders are caucasians and yesterday the Italian man named "Lu
117 BackSeater : Autonomous tracking of non cooperative aircraft Thank you Starlionbblue for confirming what I suspected. Comm systems can be easily switched off in fl
118 flyingturtle : He doesn't need to look Asian with an Italian passport. And perhaps the check-in/gate agents at KUL don't know how the typical Italian looks like, du
119 lnglive1011yyz : Quite clearly the passports HAD To be altered - The only way the passports could have been used it they were untouched would be by the actual people
120 cbrboy : If correct, this information seems to end the terrorism theory involving the two people on stolen EU passports. They were earlier booked to the same
121 LTC8K6 : I wonder if comms were switched off given the change in heading on FR24 at the end of data? Went from 25 to 28 then to 40 degrees.
122 Starlionblue : If that data is correct, it implies the transponder sent it.
123 art : It rules the 2 suspect pax out as being terrorists IMO.
124 nomadd22 : I can buy a $.50 candy bar with my credit card and in two seconds the machine will scan the card and verify it's authenticity. A stolen card will be u
125 SKAirbus : Why are we going on about these passports? Based on the information about how the tickets were procured, it seems to me that these two were illegal im
126 vfw614 : Why? While I agree that the story - if true - makes it more unlikely, I don't think that terrorists necessarily target a specific flight if they plan
127 sandyb123 : But without being tracked by anyones radar? Even if they turned the transponder off then they would have been seen by radar unless they were flying '
128 Post contains links and images BuyantUkhaa : From the last confirmed FR24 position, a 40deg heading would take it roughly to the debris field, so not impossible. Again, let's see if it really is
129 LTC8K6 : The current in that new debris area apparently runs towards Malaysia, so the debris would not have drifted out that way.
130 TreeHillRavens : Not all the time though. I've even seen staff at KUL mistaken a local Chinese as Korean and vice versa.
131 Post contains links SKAirbus : The picture wasn't showing up so go to the link here and scroll down: http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0 Yeah, it looks like it could b
132 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://www.southchinasea.org/2011/08/19/surface-current-patterns/ S China Sea current patterns.
133 SEPilot : I am thinking that the stolen passports are red herrings. Why would a terrorist need a stolen passport? While it may be the case if he is unable to ob
134 asetiadi : I'm afraid the plane may crashed on the land not in the sea. They have to look this as possibility. It's almost hard to believe after 3 days, no debri
135 IADLHR : If nothing else I am sure they are plenty embarrassed that some people got on one a plane of their airline in their country with stolen passports. I
136 bikerthai : Not necessarily. Saboteur could easily have used a middle man to buy tickets as well. Just because they did not buy the first set of tickets does it
137 nupogodi : I certainly think it suggests those two weren't terrorists, since if you want to send a message you're not going to voluntarily end your life on whic
138 BuyantUkhaa : But only in the monsoon seasons, not March.
139 theaviator380 : Looks like Chinese officials are frustrated that Malaysian authority haven't had any luck whatsoever in this situation yet. They have sent 10 official
140 capri : if they turned off all communication and transporders, they could all be in pacific and people are looking in wrong places
141 nupogodi : Based on the content of the press conference, the apparently poor organization of the SAR effort, and the completely boneheaded reporting coming out
142 LTC8K6 : December to February has got to be close enough, I'd think.
143 cbrboy : Apologies, DTWPurserBoy. I am certain that I highlighted text and pressed 'quote selected text'. I did not manually manipulate the quotes. Unfortunat
144 345tas : The two stolen passport holders certainly seem less suspicious now. To the poster who said terrorists don't care so much what flights they are on, tha
145 UALWN : So you think they left it at the mercy of the travel agent in Pattaya which plane they would bring down? It could have been any company, going anywhe
146 bnatraveler : Since MH's res system appears to not have had their invalid docs list updated since the PSPTs were reported as stolen in 2012 to Interpol, I wonder wh
147 fotoflyer71 : Without going through all those AF447 posts all over again, can anyone remember what the radar situation was like? I seem to remember that, in fairly
148 solarflyer22 : Yeah, that's the only thing that makes me think hijack. It looks like they are looking in the totally wrong place. If the weather is good (it is), th
149 polnebmit : Is there a possibility that the aircraft went down on the South China Sea side of the Vietnamese pennisula and the rescue operations may be focusing o
150 Post contains images cbrboy : Ummmn, I agree with your rhetorical point, but Air Namibia doesn't have any Dash 8s, and even if they did, there probably isn't any rainforest within
151 B747forever : A 80% load factor (227/282) is not low. The flight was pretty busy.
152 SKAirbus : If you look at reply 131, you will see that a large field of debris has been spotted off Ho Chi Minh City, which is on that side of Vietnam. I think
153 gosimeon : Reports another flight has seen the wreckage: Picture on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Bruciebabe/status/443002497498509313/photo/1 Location: N9.72 E10
154 vfw614 : To get on an international flight to a destination for which you need a visa, but not the person you arepretending to be. That was me and it depends
155 flyingturtle : MH370: Yes, there are reports about the airplane turning (back). For this moment of disappearance, we also have altitude information about MH370. AF4
156 SKAirbus : In the same area as the other flight? Is this the same debris?
157 cbrboy : AF447 went down in mid-Atlantic where there was no radar coverage. The only information available was from their position reports to Brazilian ATC an
158 flyingturtle : ...this is already reported on the avherald.com site. See my reply #107 in this thread, I've pasted a map of the last known position and the newly di
159 windshear : Why does it end the terrorism theory? the 9/11 terrorists also bought their tickets, and on J class even
160 ASA : can they avoid all military and civilian radars along the way? or does South China Sea offers enough uncovered area for an aircraft to get away undet
161 gosimeon : I don't think so. From the Av Herald: Hong Kong’s Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enro
162 B747forever : And yet debris was found within a day or two.
163 rj777 : A comment on that Twitter link said that it just looks like water. However, I hope he's wrong. I know, I know hundreds of people have said the same th
164 theaviator380 : Good from China, deploying Satellite. Yes, this was discussed while ago.
165 vfw614 : Then MH2370 must have flown even further north as the currents in that part of the South China Sea are north > southwest. Guess we are talking the
166 michi : Well, your position and the avherald position are about 1000m apart. Looks the same to me.
167 gosimeon : Sorry folks - so much new content on this thread it's hard to keep track.
168 spacecadet : What am I looking at at the very top of that photo? It looks like part of the wing of the plane taking the *photo* is damaged, but that can't be righ
169 wjcandee : One hundred percent impossible. Look, the only reason that the fuel in TWA800's tanks could explode is that a portion was concentrated, explosive vap
170 s5daw : No no, look closer... it's probably aileron / flap actuator or sth. similar.
171 SKAirbus : I'm sure people in the aircraft had a much clearer view than what is seen in the picture, which is slightly pixelated.. and if an airliner saw the wr
172 michi : As I was asking before: Is there a map available showing the primary radar coverage of this area? Until not knowing anything about the primary radar
173 BoeingVista : I think that the ACARS had some location data though.. That looks more like a debris field but could be something else of course.
174 cbrboy : Because, given that the two stolen passport holders do not seem to have crashed the MH plane (instead of the QR or EY flights they were initially boo
175 mdavies06 : Hong Kong news channel TVB said the sighting was reported by a CX flight operating HKG-KUL or HKG-SIN.[Edited 2014-03-10 07:15:30][Edited 2014-03-10 0
176 LTC8K6 : I hope they are not running around to every report, and neglecting the area of the last known position.
177 flyenthu : What really makes me wonder is that how with so much security layers these days, X-ray machines, body scanners, metal detectors etc., how can someone,
178 rj777 : My question is.......... when we finally DO find the plane...... (which realistically will be wreckage).... will people be celebrating or getting even
179 fotoflyer71 : Thanks for the correction cbrboy - I remember seeing map plots but you're right, they were from position reports.
180 Post contains links Finn350 : Here is a map showing the current and expanded search areas http://twitter.com/501Awani/status/443007706735968257 I still don't get why they are looki
181 greenair727 : I’ve read the holders of the stolen passports were destined to AMS, while another story said FRA and CPH. As we know, the stolen passports got these
182 AT : One thing I still have not figured out is why it is at all possible to turn a transponder off voluntarily. One would think that these are programmed s
183 flyenthu : It may bring some solace, but it will not be any easier on loved ones. For the search crew it will be bittersweet if I had to suspect.
184 nupogodi : I am curious about public availability of primary radar data too, but I have not yet seen such a thing on the Internet. I believe it is also possible
185 hohd : If it is a mechanical failure, and it looks like it could be, especially with an earlier wing repair, Boeing should be assisting more in locating this
186 Stabilator : A given airline with hundreds or thousands of flights a day would require massive amounts of storage capacity, and huge centers to collect the data.
187 nupogodi : Two reasons. Transponders can misbehave and sometimes need to be power-cycled as a diagnostic step during flight. Second, circuit breakers. Any part
188 westjet_737 : I'm not sure about how exactly it works in the EU, but neither itinerary to be used by the stolen passport holders passed through any of the issuing
189 marosbts : The fact that they are searching west/south of the peninsula looks to me like them saying that their national air defense is so bad that you can fly w
190 na : I wonder wether the Malaysian authorities already know what happened and are hiding it. I mean, this plane cant disappear without sending out its regu
191 washingtonflyer : If this had been terrorism (i.e., a bomb), one would have expected the plane to basically drop out of the sky then and there - explosive decompression
192 KFlyer : Given that this is actually a commercial air crew (that is probably used to flying on this route) that reported this - I'm inclined to think that this
193 LTC8K6 : There's no indication of anything yet, except that 9M-MRO is missing. The debris field, when it's finally located might be our first clue as to what h
194 Post contains links and images BuyantUkhaa : It's the flap track mechanism of the Twin Otter:
195 Post contains links Starlionblue : Neither Boeing nor the NTSB can really do much right now since there is practically no data to base an investigation on. This was even commented on i
196 redadeco : In a nutshell, what you need to know is that in all EU airports there are 2 sections for immigration, one for EU citizens and the other one for other
197 holzmann : Could we please quit mentioning TWA800? Everyone knows the report is bogus. Watch the documentary. So if no small debris is found, what are the chance
198 LTC8K6 : There's no indication that ACARS was active on 9M-MRO, iirc. It's an optional service.
199 bobnwa : What is it that commercial jets do not do? Your statement is not clear to my pea brain
200 spacecadet : With a jagged edge like that? I'm talking about the big piece of jagged metal hanging down at the top of the photo on avherald, right in the middle.
201 vfw614 : They did. The "country" in question is the Schengen area. A border control in AMS is as good as a border control in Austrian or Italy because once pa
202 LTC8K6 : Surely we would have spotted an intact 777 in ~50 meters of water by now...
203 JimJupiter : Is it already time for the "authorities are hiding something" speculations? They can't even check the passports properly (rhetorical exaggeration, I k
204 CityhopperNL : I can confirm that this is the case. 9 out of 10 times arriving in Germany or NL on a German or NL passport the immigration officer will just look at
205 hivue : Actually there have been "indications" but no confirmation.
206 Rotate : Nope, that wrong. This feature of automated messages ACARS is not on all airlines, it cost money. MH doesn't have that.
207 sejtam : It looks like that is something hanging under that wing , maybe a hardpoint where a spare fuel tank (or in some case weapons) would be hung? You can
208 Starlionblue : On the contrary, ADS-B messages are easily stopped by turning off the transponder. The transponder appears to have stopped working (whether intention
209 Kaiarahi : According to Mandala499 in an earlier thread, this aircraft was not SATCOM equipped.
210 westjet_737 : Thank you! I think I read something wrong from the original post as I was unsure of the meaning of "home country." I was under the false impression t
211 hivue : I think maybe it was tristarsteve who indicated later that it was. The antenna were an old style and not situated in a dome on top of the fuselage.
212 slinky09 : Even AF447 had debris, although it is believed that it hit the water intact, most famously the tail fin. It adds to the mystery. Earlier it was repor
213 Starlionblue : There is a difference in that the passports are issued by different countries. AFAIK "EU passport" is not a legal term. It means that the passport is
214 Post contains links and images BuyantUkhaa : Most likely this is the plane from which the pic was taken: View Large View MediumPhoto © Daniel Nicholson
215 na : If so, this event should lead to making it mandatory. Right. With so many Triple Sevens flying chances are that on one of them one time something jus
216 spacecadet : But then you'd have to explain how there aren't a bunch of people on rafts in the water. They'd still have found something. If it landed intact on th
217 LTC8K6 : Did he mean it had VHF ACARS and not the SATCOM ACARS? Even so, I think it's an optional service. VHF also might not work very well in that area.
218 greenair727 : Okay, thanks for clarification. Such a system does nothing to catch stolen passports (and those carrying them) or to protect the land from people ent
219 PanHAM : They would have had to clear Immigration at AMS. It is likely that the Dutch officer in that case would have discovered that the passports are cancel
220 vfw614 : Someone said earlier that for flights into Schengen, the passenger list is transmitted from the airport of departure. So if there is a reason for sus
221 hivue : A previous post referred to an article in "The Guardian" where the author says that these days airliners should be constantly transmitting select dat
222 Starlionblue : That's exactly why "safest airliner" statistics (and I use the term loosely) are rather meaningless. The 777 did not suddenly become much less safe t
223 Post contains images hivue : The way I understood the context of the post he was talking about SatCom. However, I have no desire to go hunting back through previous parts to this
224 sejtam : It is entirely possible that the two pax traveled with more than one passport. One European one to use in Asia (where that would be less likely to be
225 AT : I wonder could the transponders be powered separately by their own independent systems so that they are not vulnerable to the problems above? And a r
226 redflyer : Terrorism on this flight because 2/3 of the passengers were Chinese. As for the Muslims who happened to have perished along with the Chinese if this
227 lnglive1011yyz : I wouldn't call operating 15 A330's, 6 A380's, 63 737's, 13 (presumably 12 now) 777's as"MH not having that..". They may have opted for not using it
228 sejtam : Nice find. Based on the wing-strut, I'd agree. However, if this particular Twin-Otter that took this pic also had floats, it poses the question why t
229 Starlionblue : Apart from a seemingly general lack of knowledge on the subject matter, the author of the article is under the mistaken impression that DFDR and CVR
230 mutu : Having listened to the press conference, the speaker was actually pressed hard by the audience to explain what he meant by "non asian appearance". Th
231 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Flightglobal just posted the following image: http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/443038630328549377/photo/1/large
232 Post contains links YLWbased : Civil Aviation Department (CAD) of Hong Kong SAR said it had received a report from a Cathay Pacific Hong Kong-Kuala Lumpur bound flight that a large
233 redadeco : You're assuming then that the suspects who bought their tickets one day before departure know exactly where does each passenger on MH370 come from? S
234 lnglive1011yyz : Am I to assume that "E" box to the West is the Malacca Straight? If so, WHY would they be looking there? That's WELL West of where they were last rep
235 Starlionblue : And that's about the fifth time this has been mentioned in this thread...
236 Post contains images IADCA : If you read his post with "that" referring to "ACARS" and not "money," it makes a lot more sense. Given that () and the fact that Rotate doesn't seem
237 giopan1975 : AF447 had hit water flat and in one piece and biggest part found floating was part of tail fin....it took them about 4 min to fall from cruise, no dis
238 sejtam : The Malacca Strait is actually areas A-D. E is more the South Andaman Sea. They search(ed) there because there was suspicion that the plane turned ba
239 flightsimboy : Well said!
240 hivue : I think that would be MH's responsibility. I believe ACARS data is proprietary.
241 pvjin : I wonder if it just ended up in some remote forests of Malaysia / Thailand or possibly even Vietnam, that would explain lack of floating debris.
242 na : From Flightglobal: "Flightglobal asked Malaysia Airlines about signals from the 777’s Aircraft Communications and Addressing and Reporting System (
243 flyingturtle : My limited knowledge on ACARS says that all transmissions are basically... public. Especially when transmitted over VHF. But some airlines do encrypt
244 sejtam : That's quite a leap you made. Maybe they declined comment to not have to explain the lack of ACARS at this point/to the many distressed folks...
245 na : While I agree with the latter being possible I would expect flightglobal to know wether the plane had such device or not.
246 bjorn14 : To greenair: If it is an illegal immigration scam then likely they would destroy their documents on the plane and gotten off and claimed asylum. AMS h
247 indcwby : So, here at work, one ex-military guy brought up the idea of the plane being hijacked and landing in a remote location of a nearby country. Laos or Ca
248 rcair1 : Agreed. Right now - we know virtually nothing, but the fact that we have not found debris or witnesses and that advanced technology has indicated lar
249 stuyyz : Why ruled out? It likely rules out Terrorism by these two passengers, yes, but what about all the other passengers?
250 BoeingVista : That search map is crazy, its like shrugging your shoulders and saying we have no clue..
251 Post contains links boacvc10 : As the search area is being expanded (source), is submarine ops taking place to listen for the ultrasonic pinger? I recall Singapore had wanted to dep
252 CityhopperNL : If this is truly the search area, including also an area far west of the Malay peninsula, as was said a few times before, than that tells me that tho
253 hivue : This airplane has done it (suddenly no transponder, ADSB, etc.) so apparently the answer is "yes."
254 sejtam : which sums it up about correctly I'd say...
255 prebennorholm : I do not agree. Vast resouces are spent on planes to not fall from the sky, and that effort has been immensely successful. Are they "rushing" to find
256 UA787DEN : Either that or they have nothing as well - and thus have to search anywhere it could possibly be. They do seem reasonably sure the plane was attempti
257 wxmeddler : Since nothing has been found yet... I'm going to float this. We know that the plane turned west after it had some kind of trouble. Is it possible it c
258 nm2582 : When you take the "what caused this/what happened?" speculation away, "we have no clue" is probably a pretty accurate assessment of what is actually
259 UA787DEN : But could a plane fly over land without such detection? I guess the Malaysian authorities seem to think its possible.
260 hivue : Probably most. All you have to do is throw a suitable receiver over the side into the water.
261 LTC8K6 : The "turn west" could simply be the plane falling out of the sky. FR24 has the last three headings as 25, 28, and then 40 degrees.
262 TreeHillRavens : But according to MAS officials, MAS B777-200ER is equipped with VHF, HF, SATCOM, ACARS, CPDLC.
263 Finn350 : If it crashed on land, the ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter) should have been activated. And that is something that cannot be turned off by the cre
264 vnangia : Long time (10+ years) stalker, first time poster. I think there’s a lot of really um… imaginative theories and speculation right now, but when we
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