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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 80540 times:
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Due to length part 9 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 10.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

-There's no solid evidence other that 9M-MRO remains missing.

-There's no indication that ACARS was active on 9M-MRO.

-The debris field, when it's finally located might be our first clue as to what happened. But even that is being distorted by the ocean as the hours pass.

-We still have the barest of info.

-There were no calls for help, and apparently data and radar were lost around 41 minutes into the flight near IGARI waypoint.

-Several countries are assisting in the search effort.

-At present a government cover-up seems unlikely.

*** Extracts from several members ***


A select few members have been making remarks towards others in the “Missing Malaysia Airlines 777 threads” for speculating about the fate of 9M-MRO, her crew and passengers. Given the fact that there is so much uncertainty going on at this stage, speculation is going to be a factor on this site and also at the biggest and greatest news corporations of the globe. At least until we all have a clearer picture. Is it a perfect situation – certainly not? That being said, we need to stay dynamic in a possible fast-changing situation.

It is not unique to this incident and if we go back in history and trace remarkable aviation events we will see that speculation has been an aspect, essential to some healthy debate. It is not the intention of the moderators to stifle the opinions of members that fall within the rules-and regulations of airliners.net. All that we kindly request from all our members is to stay within the site’s parameters. Please be respectful towards one another and let us all hope for the best possible outcome. Enjoy the forums!


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Pat

[Edited 2014-03-10 14:48:29]


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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 80259 times:

(repost from thread #10)

Quoting ideekay (Reply 261):

If you also account for flying low (to avoid primary radars), you'll end up with a radius of 1500 nm (at least I've read that in one of the previous posts).

Quoting indcwby (Reply 244):
But in a situation like this, and if it is determined that terrorism is the result of this case, then he could/would easily become a scapegoat for providing a way on board the flight. Again, key word is if those stolen passports played a role at all.

Then he may be a scapegoat. But in order to book tickets, does the Iranian need to know IF the passports were stolen? Until now I didn't have to indicate my passport number when booking anything. U2 and W6 let me happily fly in the past four years. I just had to indicate my name as it is written on my credit card.


David

[Edited 2014-03-10 14:56:30]


Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 79776 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Thread starter):
-We still have the barest of info.

And yet eleven threads that are chock-a-block...



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User currently offlineideekay From Switzerland, joined Jun 2012, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 79850 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 1):
If you also account for flying low (to avoid primary radars), you'll end up with a radius of 1500 nm (at least I've read that in one of the previous posts).

Thanks for the info.
In that case its 1500 * 1.852 = 2778 Km

So the map COULD look like this:


User currently offlinesamair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 79670 times:

I don't understand why the authorities are still looking for wreckage, they are assuming that the aircraft has broken up (it's never good to assume anything). Based on previous 2 major 777 crashes where the fuselage has remained almost intact. Could it be possible that with a very experienced pilot the aircraft has had a very successful landing but unfortunately sank before people could evacuate?


the captain has now dimmed the lights for take off this is a routine procedure for flights during the hours of darkness!
User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 79642 times:

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 215):
Note - I believe modern ATC systems will continue to show a predicted track and information for a time - I don't know how long (minutes or seconds I would expect). This prevents the a/c from appearing and disappearing all the time due to momentary signal loss.

We have what are called "coasting" targets... They are there for 3 or 4 sweeps on an extrapolated basis from the last calculated track/gs. Then on the newer systems, we have what is called on the Eurocat X system, a 'flight plan track'. This is a psuedo track generated according to the flight plan route, aircraft preformance in our database, and winds aloft. We keep this up to date by using pilot reports and estimates. Its very accurate, not like radar, but is still a good situational awareness tool. So if a transponder fails (or SSR antenna for that matter), you don't lose all situational awareness.

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 215):
Back in the "day" primary radar was used for ATC in local areas - to day it is rarely used.


Not at all. It is hugely prevalent (if not mandatory) still (at least here in Europe), however as I wrote in one of these threads, it is digitised data and is presented to us not entirely unlike a SSR target, just no altitude and squawk. The days of green or orange blobs are firmly consigned to history. All centres I have worked with in the last 3 countries all have PSR/MSSR/ModeS/MLAT covering terminal areas...



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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 79250 times:

In an earlier thread (perhaps #8?), I wondered why the search was focussed on the Gulf of Thailand and the Straits of Malacca, but was omitting the mountains of peninsular Malaysia and southern Thailand- land that must have been crossed if MH370 flew from its last known point across off the coast of West Malaysia.

I thought previously that this must be a serious omission of a logical possibility.

It has now been justified in terms of 'there are things I can tell you and things I cannot tell you'.

That suggests that there is undisclosed information about some kind of "activity" in the Straits of Malacca, rather than idle speculation that perhaps the plane may have changed course.

My guess (and that is all that it is) is that more will come from this line of investigation.


User currently offlinemarktci From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 78750 times:

Re-posting from after the last thread was locked:

Having read through most of the ten pages, I am going to wade in with my (admittedly amateur) thoughts.

To me, it seems like there are two possible scenarios:

1) A hijacking type of incident in which the systems which would otherwise transmit information from the plane were disabled. I don't see the plane having landed safely anywhere (surely every satellite possible would be looking for a 777 where it doesn't belong) and thus has crashed somewhere, possibly some significant amount of time after its last known location.

2) A catastrophic system failure affecting the ability to fly the plane, to communicate (both actively and passively), and possibly to breathe. The plane flies for some distance (either on its own or with some limited inputs) before crashing.

I don't know enough of the technical details to talk about how either would have happened. To me these just seem like the most likely scenarios taking into account what little we know at this point.


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 78768 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Thread starter):

Just wanted to say, thank you for the summary...as interested as I am, it's difficult to go through 2,000+ posts to get an idea on the current status of the search.

It would be wonderful if a miracle happens and all are found alive and well, but it's almost certain that that will not happen...may the passengers and crew rest in peace  



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User currently offlineDUSdude From United States of America, joined May 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 78440 times:

Quoting samair (Reply 4):
I don't understand why the authorities are still looking for wreckage, they are assuming that the aircraft has broken up (it's never good to assume anything). Based on previous 2 major 777 crashes where the fuselage has remained almost intact. Could it be possible that with a very experienced pilot the aircraft has had a very successful landing but unfortunately sank before people could evacuate?

My previous post at the end of the previous thread was apparently ignored...

The previous two 777 incidents were low speed crash landings at a speed below stall speed on final approach at a flat angle. Just about any aircraft type should look largely visually intact in such a scenario. The present disappearance may or may not turn out to be similar depending on the speed at which MH 370 impacted whatever it turns out to have impacted and at what angle. In either case, whatever remains of the aircraft, recognizable or not, would be properly referred to as "wreckage" since it is most certainly going to be a total hull loss.


User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 78153 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 1):
If you also account for flying low (to avoid primary radars), you'll end up with a radius of 1500 nm (at least I've read that in one of the previous posts).

That was an estimate based on no factual data, and stated as such.



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 78213 times:

Quoting samair (Reply 4):
I don't understand why the authorities are still looking for wreckage, they are assuming that the aircraft has broken up (it's never good to assume anything). Based on previous 2 major 777 crashes where the fuselage has remained almost intact. Could it be possible that with a very experienced pilot the aircraft has had a very successful landing but unfortunately sank before people could evacuate?

1. That the aircraft has broken up SR111-style (steep angle, high velocity, millions of small debris particles that won't float on water) is still a possibility.
2. No fuselage will remain intact in a real crash.
3. An aircraft still capable to prepare a ditching/water landing is still capable to squawk 7700, call mayday through VHF or HF, or even use the sat phone to talk directly with OPS, announcing the coordinates of the intended ditching.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 78000 times:

Looking at improbable scenarios, something came to mind, and I don't know whether this is possible or not (so please tell me).

If (repeat if) this was a hijacking, is it possible to beam false radar signals that say the plane is flying on its normal course (say, across the Gulf of Thailand), when it is in fact flying in a different direction (say, up into the Straits of Malacca)?

If this is possible (and I don't know whether it is), then the search in the Straits of Malacca - but not on land in either Malaysia or Thailand - suddenly makes sense.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 77634 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 10):
That was an estimate based on no factual data, and stated as such.

Thanks, and I now see that KUL-PEK is about 2400 nm, and if the 777 has taken fuel for such a short trip, then the possible range when flying at 1000 ft, avoiding any radar, whould be much, much shorter still.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 77318 times:

Does the 777 autopilot have an "auto level off" function, where the cruise altitude is set during climb and the airplane will automatically level off without pilot intervention?

User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 77357 times:

If the plane did go down west of the Malacca Strait, the water gets pretty deep.... I'm not sure how it works, but if a plane sinks intact then i think they'll never find anything- unless the same resources are used as they were with AF 447.

User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 77117 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 12):
If (repeat if) this was a hijacking, is it possible to beam false radar signals that say the plane is flying on its normal course (say, across the Gulf of Thailand), when it is in fact flying in a different direction (say, up into the Straits of Malacca)?

There is military technology that can falsify radar returns, but don't ask me about the specifics.

What you describe could be achieved quite simply - find another air crew willing to change the transponder code.

Squawks can be changed quickly - but what about the hex code?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_transponder_interrogation_modes


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 76779 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 16):
but what about the hex code?

That requires hardware on the ground. It cannot be done in flight.



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 76496 times:

Quoting rc135x (Reply 14):
Does the 777 autopilot have an "auto level off" function, where the cruise altitude is set during climb and the airplane will automatically level off without pilot intervention?

Never flown anything that big, but my understanding is that it is a standard feature on autopilots. You set a maximum climb rate and you set a target altitude and away you go.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone. I've simply heard of autopilots on less sophisticated planes being used in this way.



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User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 75926 times:

Quoting samair (Reply 4):

I don't understand why the authorities are still looking for wreckage, they are assuming that the aircraft has broken up (it's never good to assume anything). Based on previous 2 major 777 crashes where the fuselage has remained almost intact. Could it be possible that with a very experienced pilot the aircraft has had a very successful landing but unfortunately sank before people could evacuate?

I think they are looking for anything that would indicate where the plane is. At this point, no one knows whether the plane is in one piece or in many pieces at the bottom of the ocean. I can imagine that the pressure difference would make it nearly impossible to open an emergency exit when the plane is fully submerged.

I am sorry for asking this, but I missed it. The oil slicks have been determined not to have been from the 777. What were they from then?



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User currently offlineCALTECH From Poland, joined May 2007, 2213 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 75967 times:

Quoting gatechae (Reply 226):
If the plane did in fact crash into the gulf of Thailand at a high rate of speed, wouldn't the relatively narrow depth (average depth at 80m, with a 777 length being 64m) cause it to break up upon impact with the sea floor (allowing debris to float to the surface)?

Not known what speed or what angle the 777 entered the sea. Could miss the sea floor altogether. All speculation until the FDR and CVR are recovered. Just seems odd that there is no large debris field, would think that points to the fuselage somewhat surviving impact. The fuselage is where almost all of your floating debris would come from. Macabre, but there should be magazines, clothes and bodies and such floating everywhere if the fuselage took major damage.

Remember AF 447, who would have thought that it had hit the sea relatively level with a little bit of forward speed and a lot of vertical speed, which shattered the aircraft. Took forever to find that aircraft. The sea is shallower in this tragedy, might be found quicker.



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User currently offlinePRFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 75669 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 19):
I am sorry for asking this, but I missed it. The oil slicks have been determined not to have been from the 777. What were they from then?

Laboratory analysis confirms that it is bunker oil from a ship.


User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 75417 times:

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 20):
Just seems odd that there is no large debris field, would think that points to the fuselage somewhat surviving impact. The fuselage is where almost all of your floating debris would come from. Macabre, but there should be magazines, clothes and bodies and such floating everywhere if the fuselage took major damage.

I agree with that 100 percent and that is partially, almost entirely, why I believe the plane may be intact, but resting at the bottom of the ocean. I know that sounds crazy. If that were the case, however, how long would it take for water to engulf the cabin?



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User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 75384 times:

Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 21):
Laboratory analysis confirms that it is bunker oil from a ship.

Thank you.

Does the lack of fuel in the ocean mean that the fuel tanks held up? If so, does that mean the wings are not damaged?



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 75058 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 19):
I can imagine that the pressure difference would make it nearly impossible to open an emergency exit when the plane is fully submerged.

If the outflow valves were closed, the pressure would make it easier to open than normal... If those systems were working normally, the pressure would have normalized and it would be like opening a car door (underwater - nearly impossible). It's my understanding that aircraft have pressurized canisters on the emergency exits that, when "armed", force the door open and inflate the slide.

Realistically if you were in a laden 777 that hit water and managed to survive, you'd be exiting through a hole in the fuselage.

[Edited 2014-03-10 15:34:50]


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25 nupogodi : No one knows. They haven't found the wreckage. Jet-A1 would disperse and evaporate quickly in that environment.
26 Post contains links Web500sjc : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash This is what that sort of crash looks like. Lear jet set to climb to up, and then all abo
27 Post contains links nupogodi : Yeah. Here's another that made use of that AP system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701
28 laxboeingman : I forgot about the evaporation factor. Thanks. If the wings were destroyed or sliced, would the pieces float or would they stay submerged, if there w
29 aftgaffe : What do you all think of these as premises: 1) Assuming the pilots were not incapacitated (e.g. hypoxia), there has to be a amount of time (e.g. 20 mi
30 laxboeingman : Thank you for that response as well. I did not know the exit doors are equipped to be opened in any environment. But that is just my point, if there
31 marktci : This is pretty much in line with my thinking from reply #7.
32 laxboeingman : That is why I believe something very, very bad happened very quickly in the air, because there was no time to communicate. I think a captain with tha
33 nupogodi : I wouldn't know about that. I know they are denser than water so they would sink. Way way way earlier in the threads, someone commented about how the
34 Dalavia : Yes. And the fact that no traces of wreckage have been found in the highly populated area (fishing boats, sea vessels, etc), combined with the vague
35 Post contains links Hywel : I've not seen mention of this yet: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lap-joints-focus-of-new-boeing-777-directive-faa-374597/
36 nupogodi : Oh, gosh, I didn't say *that*. I just mean that they have canisters that force open the doors, and at least on some types they are MEL items. If you
37 gasman : Perhaps something of a 'layman" question, but how is it, in 2014, that we don't know the exact whereabouts of all heavy commercial aircraft in flight?
38 laxboeingman : Sorry about that. I thought that the canisters would allow it to meet the pressure requirements to open.
39 nupogodi : The system you describe exists, it is called ADS-B, and was used on this flight. It is how websites like FlightAware and FlightRadar24 get their data
40 peterinlisbon : Here is a possible scenario: imagine the two people with false passports were terrorists. When the captain or co-pilot got up to go to the toilet, the
41 OTF : Perhaps there was an explosion at the front of the plane, severing the cockpit & the rest of the fuselage. That would explain the sudden loss of a
42 Post contains links 747megatop : China has redeployed 10 military satellites to aid in the search http://www.scmp.com/news/china/artic...ites-deployed-search-missing-plane
43 tyler81190 : in reference to swapping "squawk" codes, let's just say that this was a terrorist attack of some kind... They had 1-2 years to plan, and put a lot of
44 nupogodi : They would hit the ground at terminal velocity, from the flight levels at least. Pieces of the cabin would break away, and float.
45 OTF : Good point, perhaps I was overthinking. I've been reading this thread since the start so it's been a little bit of an information overload for a rook
46 cjg225 : This becomes more disconcerting with each day that passes. It should be light soon there. We'll be entering the 4th day with not a single shred of evi
47 nupogodi : No, but what's the motive? The cell phone thing has been thoroughly debunked in previous posts. You get a dial tone when the last known location of t
48 Post contains links tyler81190 : http://www.news24.com/Travel/Flights...s-ring-but-no-one-answers-20140310 passengers phones are ringing... Interesting story. Perhaps something nefari
49 liquidair : unlikely. If they had connectivity the authorities would take ten minutes to locate them.
50 evomutant : It means none of those things at all. It just means the phone was roaming, as any Chinese cresidents would be for example. Even if it did, phones che
51 Stabilator : Even if the plane was experiencing a catastrophic event, either the F/O or Captain would certainly make a distress call. In all my years of g/a train
52 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : This have been mentioned many times already. The latest time it was mentioned was in the previous thread: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enrout
53 nupogodi : NORDO![Edited 2014-03-10 16:11:42]
54 pvjin : Nah, that means nothing, they can appear to be ringing to the caller although in fact they aren't. Same happened with AF447 in 2009, when a relative
55 penguins : How have the authorities ruled out that the plane did not make it to land? What if we are searching in the wrong places?
56 gulfstream650 : Sunrise in Vietnam is NOW. Let's hope a new day will bring us all some news and answers.
57 Post contains links 747megatop : Full passenger list - http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...rlines-flight-mh370-passenger-list RIP for those souls.
58 nupogodi : Published 2 days ago, seen here 2 days ago
59 tyler81190 : Ahh, i see I didn't have time to re-read all 10 previous pages haha, but I think it is still erie as there is no word on the aircraft. With AF447, ev
60 Post contains links Mark2fly1034 : Crowdsourcing the Search for Malaysia Flight 370 Kind of neat article to read. Maybe one of us will fine it. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...he
61 Post contains images airbuseric : I won't judge about the cause, but following the thread with most interest. Being from flight ops/dispatch myself, I have a strong believe that the ai
62 Post contains images Speedbird128 : I am not desperate to know - all I am hoping for is resolution so the poor victim's families can get closure one way or another. The endless nothingn
63 nupogodi : This is what many of my CPL+ friends think as well, but it's based entirely on the sudden loss of contact in the flight levels. The lack of a debris
64 DTW2HYD : 70% earth is covered with water. The probability of a 777 landing anywhere on an unprepared land without breaking apart and catching fire is near zer
65 nupogodi : Also the ELT would go off...
66 cjg225 : I understand what you're saying, but I think that the uncertainty over what happened has to make it very important find out what happened as quickly
67 Post contains images btfarrwm : Anyone know if there was valuable art onboard?
68 PROSA : Something I haven't seen mentioned (though I might have missed it) is that MH suffered one of the first A330 hull losses back in 2000, due to the leak
69 solarflyer22 : This was my thinking as well but leaning toward number 2. The gentleman with the stolen passport was described as of African descent. If it had been
70 TC957 : For what it's worth, my guess what could have happened is that the cockpit had some sort of severe decompression, crew initiated an emergency decent (
71 cjg225 : I agree. At this point, a mid-air breakup of any type (explosion or otherwise mechanical) seems to be much less likely as each minute passes. Small p
72 Speedbird128 : I wasn't talking from transportation safety boards point of view - they will continue to work as hard as they can until everything has been deciphere
73 PHX Flyer : Highly unlikely. The explosion would have been picked up by a reconnaissance satellite and there would be eye witness reports by countless marine cre
74 spacecadet : It hasn't. I read through all the same posts you did. What people said to refute the cell phone thing were basically these points: a) Cell phones don
75 aftgaffe : This definitely seems like a possibility if not a probability. But with damage so bad that the transponder failed (along with, seemingly, all communi
76 F9Animal : I am suspicious that investigators know more than they are telling. They seem pretty interested in the stolen passports, and terrorism has been specul
77 tyler81190 : I saw in that link I posted up-thread about the phones, there was a quick single sentence about the possibility of being highjacked and landed somewh
78 Stretch : Actually, dial tone (of the old land line days) and modern "ringing" are just courtesy tone so you don't hear dead air whilst waiting to connect.
79 flyingturtle : Very great! David
80 cjg225 : With a hijacking, I have such a hard time believing it would happen so quickly with post-9/11 security protocols that not a single message would get
81 tyler81190 : I appreciate your summary of the previous posts. Very helpful. However, for selfish reasons in hoping that somehow this aircraft is intact somewhere.
82 tyler81190 : That is my fear, is they the crew and/or some in the airline knew and were in on it, whatever "it" was.
83 smeagol : If I am correct, AF447 trigedy, the wreckage was found on Jun 6th, which was 5 days later. So in this case, given the depth in that area is relatively
84 nupogodi : Yes, it does. Have you never made an international call and had the ring switch from one tone to another? The first was your network trying to connec
85 flyKiWi : I know it's been discussed before, but in my opinion - if this was a hijacking, or a terrorist act, there would be somebody / some organisation taking
86 RomeoBravo : is this lack of progress unprecedented? i does feel like a real exception that not a trace has been found in such long time. even things like af447 an
87 cjg225 : I feel like that was more of a function of the remote location of the crash site than timing of crash, but it's possible. We're starting Day 4 of lig
88 oly720man : unless it was a hijacking to get the plane and the "point" would be where the plane turned up next.
89 flyKiWi : Very true.
90 nupogodi : Not in and of itself, no. In general this is probably the most unique and bizarre aviation disaster I have heard of in over a decade.
91 Web500sjc : If this was a hijack, in this day of age, there most defiantly would have been a mayday or help call over the radio. It wasn't a hijack. the only thi
92 gyojoo : I was looking at Philippine Airlines Flight 434 incident and thought of this What about a possibility of 2 individuals with a stolen passport sneaking
93 flyKiWi : Or at least a 7500. Unless they really knew what they were doing ... But again, the only reason I decided to post my opinion was to counter the hijac
94 penguins : A problem I seem to see with a lot of these theories is that even if the transponder if turned off, won't the plane still return a radar signal, just
95 Starlionblue : Once a plane sinks it will more or less rapidly fill with water. An airliner is not a submarine. Not certain how long until the plane fills but I'm p
96 nupogodi : They found the debris in about a day or two.
97 rfields5421 : Some debris was observe on the afternoon of June 1 from C-130 aircraft flying over the presumed area of lost contact. Of course a C-130 can't land in
98 AR385 : If that was their intention, I think they would have picked up a day flight. Trying to find your target at night would be very hard. I don´t think s
99 awthompson : Here's one to think about. In the SFO Asiana crash last year which was rather violent involving a collision with a sea wall followed by a semi cartwhe
100 Post contains links PanAmPaul : The lack of progress is however making people think out of the box. I just came across the Tomnod website which is using a form of crowdsourcing to ha
101 rcair1 : Interesting - I did not know that. Maybe it has to do with 1) Density of radar systems 2) The fact that radar was largely deployed in Europe first (d
102 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : According to the Mirror the Iranians intended to "migrate to Europe" "The two passengers travelling on stolen passports on missing Malaysia Airlines f
103 747megatop : Well, at least some floating wreckage was found in the AF 447 case 5 days later (http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.af.447/discovery.of.the.wreck
104 suseJ772 : I initially thought bomb or catastrophic event like I think most people here. But after reading 11 pages of posts, I have a new theory... Chinese Espi
105 awthompson : Here's one to think about. In the SFO Asiana crash last year which was rather violent involving a collision with a sea wall followed by a semi cartwhe
106 tyler81190 : Not if THIS highjacking wasn't the "end result" planned. I am not saying the passengers are alive, and letting their phones ring, but that their phon
107 rcair1 : You are correct, to an extent, but it is not as simple as that. The direct return is called primary radar. The transponder return is secondary. Secon
108 747megatop : Now now, i know that we all are speclating over 10 parts of this thread; now i think you are taking it to a new level!!
109 Post contains links suseJ772 : I'll give you. It's a bit crazy. But then again, so are random planes in remote Chinese deserts: Google Map Link I am just saying, it does explain th
110 hoMsAr : Wait...you're suggesting that they concocted this highly elaborate scheme just to steal a 777 so they could reverse-engineer it, rather than using on
111 Post contains links dirktraveller : The Malaysian media updated that the search extended up to Sumatra in Indonesia and waters around Hong Kong. It would be surprising if the flight mana
112 thunderboltdrgn : My apologies but your link goes to some Turkish farmland in Balıkesir Çanakkale Yolu Hurma /Çanakkale and not some Chinese desert.[Edited 2014-03-
113 Post contains links suseJ772 : Again. Just a speculation. But to answer your direct question (which I already somewhat addressed in the first post when mentioning China Southern's
114 Starlionblue : Too many assumptions. Crashes are all different and we don't know what would have happened to a 737 or M80 in the Asiana case. As mentioned a few thr
115 Post contains links suseJ772 : Sorry. Google Maps Beta is the worst at linking. Try this: http://g.co/maps/vgdf7 Also, I didn't post this one before, but here is a remote airstrip
116 tyler81190 : I don't think it's too crazy, except for the motive... I doubt the motive is trying to re-engineer an airplane. I think that if the aircraft indeed l
117 Post contains links and images kann123air : Please don't flame me if this is clearly a wrong hypothesis, but.... Factoring in the last known position (about 170 miles south of the Tho Chu island
118 suseJ772 : I think the issue with this is that it would have been spotted by South Korean radar (and Chinese for that matter).
119 Web500sjc : The water is attenuating the ELT signal, further more ELTs only have to have a battery for 24 hours, so the ELT is dead. Smoke inhalation could have
120 glideslope : Agreed. Several items, IMO.
121 aftgaffe : It's theoretically possible assuming that whatever knocked the transponder out did not otherwise impact the plane's flying ability. But it seems impo
122 777Jet : If the plane broke apart (for whatever reason) in the area of its last known location then I would have expected some debris to be found by now - anyt
123 smeagol : 777 Fleet in China: CA: 25 (772A and 77W) CZ: 17 (772A, 772ER and 77W) MU: 4x77W will be delivered by end of 2014 If you think China is so hungry to g
124 flydeltajets : Even if they switched the transponder off wouldn't there still be a target, just with no identifier? At least for the time the plane remained airborn
125 nupogodi : Does not work under water unless it is floating. Water is very difficult for anything but high-power low-frequency radio to get through.
126 nupogodi : I asked a similar question, about expected coverage and recording/archiving of primary radar in the region. I was told by someone in this thread who
127 747megatop : and the US military.
128 UA787DEN : Yeah no. Plenty of Chinese Airlines own 777s. And the government could acquire one in ways that don't involve hijacking. Plus - if China did want it
129 suseJ772 : As I stated when someone else questioned the same thing, you can't keep a 777 in a D-Check for 12 years. Sooner or later, someone is going to ask a q
130 zoom1018 : I am not sure if it would work but why do they not attach something works like a mobile phone in the black box? The last time I read the black box co
131 Post contains links and images kann123air : Agreed. What about this scenario? I brought the line just a few degrees east. MAS370 2 by kann123air, on Flickr
132 chrisrad : Why isn't this appearing on more news sites?
133 suseJ772 : I have answered above twice why I think their 777s disappearing would raise alarm bells sooner or later. In an odd way, a plane disappearing in the o
134 DeltaAtl : May sound stupid but has anyone tried the find my iPhone app? Like I have my daughters info if she loses hers-
135 777Jet : Exactly.
136 tyler81190 : Good point, but WOULD the Chinese really go to all this trouble to make a second rate copy of a 777?
137 Web500sjc : more plausible, but you still going to pass close to Taiwan, the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, and Okinawa (Major US military base).
138 tyler81190 : Unless EVERYONE is in on it to blame Iran?
139 777Jet : Also, why pick this flight? If it was down to a breakdown of nationalities that would make such a plot look less suspicious, would the Chinese be abl
140 UA787DEN : The Chinese government owns Boeings - not 777s but they've had access to (IIRC) a 737, 747, and 767. Remember the whole mess over the bugged 767? It
141 Boeing717200 : Probably because you need it to communicate in order to work.
142 tyler81190 : Well, all booking info would have been sent to china for Customs purposes... How far in advance is unknown. Also, if this is the case, surely they co
143 rfields5421 : It was the lack of transmissions which alerted Air France maintenance to look harder at the ACARS messages. And to request Air France Ops contact the
144 tyler81190 : Entirely plausible...
145 rfields5421 : That only works if the phone is in contact with a cell phone network, which this aircraft was not when it disappeared. And yes, I'm certain some folk
146 Post contains links solarflyer22 : Yeah, there should have been good coverage in that region but those radars are not high resolution military grade radars. The press conference indica
147 StuckInCA : But they could just take one from one of their airlines. They wouldn't have to tell anyone where it went. If they wanted to have it in a hangar for 1
148 777Jet : Agreed. Would also explain the type of press releases from MH.
149 stuyyz : Next news conference at 10am... in 37mins
150 Post contains images todareisinger : What a terrible catastrophe, I feel sad and frightened I know that at the present stage we do not know anything yet. BUT, in the case it was a bomb...
151 Kaphias : Is there anywhere that these can be watched live online?
152 marktci : When I heard the Mario Balotelli thing, I didn't think it was meant literally. I took it as the official saying that not everyone with an Italian name
153 philask : No way, the SAR effort is costing millions of dollars per day, and there's no precedence for dealing with a hijacking in this manner.
154 gatorman96 : This is somewhat of a grim question, but how long does a SAR mission like this last before it's called off? This is an extremely expensive venture tha
155 tyler81190 : With all the publicity, it will probably last for a while... Unless they find some kind of info to elude to what happened. After they stop, the insur
156 tarmacphotos : Exactly, wouldn't be the first time a defective timer was used by terrorists/criminals.
157 777Jet : I agree. I highly doubt it would be called off without finding anything. Who would just accept that a 777 or any commercial aircraft goes missing in
158 Post contains links stuyyz : This is where i watch the press conferences live: http://www.astroawani.com/videos/live This channel is not in english but the press conferences are
159 Stabilator : Agreed. Authorities would surely alert other governments if this was the case and they'd be 1) pretty ticked 2) would end SAR missions quickly to avo
160 tyler81190 : The only way they would call it off without finding the bulk of the aircraft is if: 1. they find black boxes 2. they somehow found radar recordings s
161 777Jet : Thank you...
162 Starlionblue : Indeed. They'll keep looking until they find something, probably for years if it gets to that. However if they don't find anything within another few
163 stuyyz : just seeing on twitter that the 10am press conference has been postponed without explanation...
164 kurtjeter : I've seen a few references to the ACARS system, but if there has been a clear answer to my question I've missed it and apologize. Does a 777 have ACAR
165 flydeltajets : Air China (not directly owned by Chinese Government) owns 777s
166 777Jet : They are an excellent product too! Their new 777-300ER is great, even in economy class...
167 Post contains links and images danvs : I have mentioned this on thread 7 but since no one replied to it, here it goes again: The media says Subang ATC lost contact with MH370 near IGARI pos
168 UA787DEN : Many 777s do have ACARS yes, but I'm pretty sure this one did not. EDIT - As later pointed out, yes this plane has ACARS capabilities. Its just that
169 747megatop : Since a lot of Chinese citizens are involved and a US manufactured plane in question I think there will a lot of pressure to find this plane and figu
170 tyler81190 : 1. there would have been some kind of debris... 2. Though I could be woefully wrong, and I would appreciate someone with more knowledge commenting, b
171 Starlionblue : AFAIK 777s have ACARS, that is the hardware, as standard. However the hardware doesn't do anything unless you activate the reporting service. This is
172 wxmeddler : So here is a question, why doesn't Boeing/AB just attach a hydrostatic EPRIB in the tail section? I know the ELT does practically the same thing for l
173 DBCooper : I was reading, with interest, some of the info about the Captain. One of the items that struck me was that he had created a 777 simulator at home...wh
174 kcrwflyer : ACARS doesn't exist for situations like this. It's pretty standard equipment for operating...most regional jets even have it.
175 Vctony : Excellent thought. I'd be interesting to know what, if anything, was on that simulator as well.
176 tyler81190 : I don't think anything can be ruled out at this point there than the plane landing at PEK... I also don't think anyone should be offended by the noti
177 UA787DEN : I'm by no means an ACARS expert. From previous posts, I've read that for whatever reason, this plane was not trackable with it - whether its because
178 danvs : Even if it does withstand, one must consider a worst-case scenario where the detached piece slams into the vertical or horizontal stabilizer etc.
179 Web500sjc : I dint know, but I would like to know. spelling[Edited 2014-03-10 19:16:05]
180 rfields5421 : Not necessarily. The flight was crossing the corner of the WSJC FIR (Flight Information Region) and either the ATC could have been delegated to Malay
181 buckfifty : Amazing how wild the speculation is now, which isn't terribly surprising though considering the circumstances. I fly this route quite often, and I can
182 cjg225 : No, I think that's a legit question to ask. I said a bit earlier that one uncomfortable scenario is that the lack of communication opportunity/attemp
183 JettTracer : ***opinion*** I was discussing with my colleague yesterday about this flight. Can I just check what usually is the standard protocol when an airliner
184 DeltaMD90 : Am I only one that thinks that they'll eventually find out the reason for the crash is something not crazy and it's just taking them a while to find i
185 cjg225 : Did any search craft reach that alleged debris field southeast of Vietnam before last light on the 10th? I haven't seen anything that's said the debri
186 Mark2fly1034 : We seem to have determined that MH had not paid for the service of sending things automatically back to MX. I would guess all the 777s are like that o
187 gulfstream650 : That's what I'm waiting to hear about too.
188 Mark2fly1034 : To think outside the box would if it was as simple as they lost GPS and got lost. It takes me back to the two planes that went missing from OAK-HNL wh
189 Post contains links Finn350 : I think it had ACARS but no ACARS messages after the time the aircraft disappeared. Unfortunately, the quote is ambiguous. Source: http://www.reuters
190 dragon6172 : I believe it was posted that that debris field was discounted as being associated with the incident.
191 tyler81190 : I don't know specifically about that piece... but the latest news reports are that nothing potentially belonging to MH370 has been found, and that al
192 rfields5421 : Back in the late 60s, a US Navy WC-121 (Lockheed Super Constellation) stuck a wing-tip tank into the eyewall of a typhoon in the South China Sea. The
193 Post contains links Toni_ : http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014 Thought I'd share this here. This website has satellite images that were taken last sunday. Any
194 Braniff747SP : Certainly not. I'm all for reasonable speculation, but some of the things being thrown about here are simply beyond comprehension. Odds are that it w
195 LTC8K6 : I'm sticking with the plane being down in the IGARI area. SAR has either missed it, or there was, for whatever reason, very little floating debris.
196 acabgd : I would say this is clearly a practice/bombing range, as can be seen from numerous bomb craters at the top of the "airfield". In addition to that, th
197 zhiao : What would happen if they never find anything? Would it be possible that it was sucked into another universe via a wormhole? I think there was an epis
198 Post contains links DeltaAtl : http://bit.ly/Pm7uwC
199 Post contains images hivue : Nope. Count me in. When we look back 5 years from now the SAR effort could be as big a story as the (assumed) crash. What's that all about?
200 Reffado : If they never find anything, which I seriously doubt, this will be RG 967 all over again. Except this time, instead of 4, over 200 families will deman
201 tyler81190 : Interesting point of view... While I agree that explosives would have left a lot of debris, your level of detail probably guarantees that you will ne
202 suseJ772 : After I proposed the Chinese Espionage theory, someone private emailed me and we were discussing the same thing. I was thinking the First Officer bec
203 hivue : He didn't say "simple" (although "benign" would hardly apply either). Most aircraft accidents have a complex set of causes.
204 Post contains links Starlionblue : A lot. Even an explosion as massive as TWA800 left much of the plane in large pieces. ICAO defines three phases depending on what is known and so for
205 Boeing717200 : Gotta wonder what that's going to cost in terms of satellite lifespan because of the fuel burn. Of course who knows what technology China has managed
206 marktci : While I agree that some of the theories are rather crazy, the simplest theories don't really work either. Structural failure would have led to a debr
207 Post contains links DeltaAtl : Large debris fourth off Southern Vietnam island of Vung Tau http://bit.ly/1fR73oM
208 Boeing717200 : Fingers crossed.
209 tyler81190 : I thought that has been reported earlier?
210 LTC8K6 : How would you spot debris from a cruising airliner? Binoculars? Seems difficult.[Edited 2014-03-10 20:04:02]
211 gatorman96 : I think the major takeaway from this incident thus far is that there is an insane amount of trash/pollution in the Gulf of Thailand.
212 solarflyer22 : I seriously doubt that. It turns out that CNN flew with that exact same co-pilot on another flight a few weeks ago while doing a story for CNN Busine
213 gulfstream650 : That vung Tao debris was reported yesterday but we have not been updated since.
214 tyler81190 : Agreed...
215 stretch : Was there any update on when the news conference was going to take place?
216 gatorman96 : There is a solid chance this was covered in the previous 10 threads (which I have followed closely), but if authorities expanded their SAR mission int
217 Burchfiel : In this era of high-definition satellite imagery, why couldn't you just have a couple satellites take lots of high definition photos of the surroundin
218 gatorman96 : Already being done.
219 Boeing717200 : They have to be in position to do so and it can take quite a bit of fuel to do so. It seems China is positioning satellites for this, but they don't
220 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : My simple explanation? Anyway, I never said it had to be simple, I'm sure multiple factors were involved. I just don't think that just because we sti
221 cbrboy : Probably because it is unlikely, given the population density, that an aircraft crash on land could have gone unnoticed and unreported.
222 Post contains links stuyyz : That is exactly what is happening here.... http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014
223 Post contains links aryonoco : BBC Persian is reporting that the two passengers on board the plane who were using false documents were Iranian refugees on their path to Europe to cl
224 aftgaffe : Working theory Three assumptions: 1) The plane lost secondary radar contact / its transponder functionality over the Gulf of Thailand (this we seem to
225 marktci : I agree with all of this. It's just that "structural failure leading to a crash" doesn't explain what it happening here. If the plane dropped out of
226 gatorman96 : Fair enough. But wouldn't it be also as unlikely, that an aircraft in such distress to the point that it attempted to turn back, would fly ~300km acr
227 ANPlatinum : Browsing previous postings, I haven't seen this suggestion. Perhaps there was an unconfined engine disintegration similar to QF32 where there was sign
228 DeltaAtl : That was off Tho Chu island in Vietnam
229 Dalavia : Actually the population density is quite low in the central mountainous area. I have proposed another theory to explain the lack of searching on land
230 DeltaAtl : Even though the possible new debris field is off the beaten path (Vung Tau)... Let's hope it's related so we can move forward. The news article was up
231 YULWinterSkies : I don't think they are assuming anything. rather they are trying anything they could... and searching for debris is logical to do, unless the aircraf
232 Post contains links boacvc10 : What does the a.net community think of this man's claim of possibly seeing the airliner ... descending at high speed towards the South China Sea about
233 marktci : Actually, the Vung Tao debris was reported yesterday. See reply 29 in Part 9.
234 acabgd : This inflight breakup would leave a large debris field, strewn more or less across the last known position. Dozens of ships and rescue planes already
235 vnangia : You're not alone. I proposed a very modest calamity that could explain it a few threads ago involving the repaired area of the wing suffering a metal
236 Post contains links stuyyz : I'm just baffled at this... this was posted on Malaysia Airlines site, 30 minutes ago.... ...The search and rescue teams have expanded the scope beyon
237 Post contains images DeltaAtl : Ok thank you- thought the time update of 3/11/14 was speaking of the debris found
238 philask : Suggests some new information has come to light.
239 dvautier : The first officer went suicidal, overpowered the captain, turned off the transponder and augured into the jungles of Thailand. That’s the best I can
240 E195 : Could there have been an ACARS outage? e195
241 vnangia : Given how relatively crowded the Straits of Malacca are, this has to be a credible eyewitness report. I can't imagine how they could otherwise simult
242 Coal : Already discussed in Thread 8 or 9 and based on what he said and some of the comments here, it seems not plausible. Cheers Coal
243 malaysia : "This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end. It is the end of the beginning" Is the best I can do as well.
244 tyler81190 : eyewitness report taking 4 days to come forward?!?
245 Enobar : I've been trying to keep abreast of all the threads so apologies if this is a repeated idea but... Would it be possible that the jet was flying with t
246 boacvc10 : Could their navigation system have failed or gone kaput? Smoke/Fire in cockpit? CFIT ?
247 tyler81190 : Still, that means the military of whatever country shot it down would have to clean it up in a hurry so it could continue to be "lost" Anything is po
248 Starlionblue : As has been mentioned repeatedly, the best info at this time is that Malaysia Airlines probably does not subscribe to ACARS for its 777s. Subscriptio
249 vnangia : Well, the news first surfaced yesterday, so three days, but the focus hadn't shifted there until today. That could simply be time to get confirmation
250 Enobar : True... but of course with the last known location being over water and the focused search area being there, we are up to 4 days now of potential cle
251 flyenthu : I mentioned about the wing issue and how there is very little attention being paid to it. I find it is not just coincidence that the same aircraft wi
252 E195 : The aircraft was delivered to Malaysia Airlines in 2002 and have since recorded 53,465.21 hours with a total of 7525 cycles. All Malaysia Airlines ai
253 fiscal : This is from the latest official press release from Malaysia Airlines "All Malaysia Airlines aircraft are equipped with continuous data monitoring sy
254 tyler81190 : Been discussed slightly, unless 25% or more of the wing was ripped off in flight and/or hit the empenage, it is doubtful this would have brought the
255 vnangia : Uhoh. If that's the case, then that to me sounds like avionics failure or pilot suicide. Well, my suggestion was more modest - just the bit that was
256 wxmeddler : Just came across the feed: AP Mar 11, 12:21am via SocialFlow BREAKING: Malaysia Airlines says west coast of country now the focus of search for missin
257 Post contains images flyenthu : The absence of debris in the ocean is very perplexing. Although, others have suggested that maybe the plane was more intact than being speculated at
258 Post contains images KELPkid : That means the plane flew an average stage length of 7 hours for its entire life I was going to say something about how Asian carriers fly their wide
259 deltaSEAalsaka : I'm not great with geography but wouldn't that be the other side of the country from the last radar country or am I completely wrong.
260 Starlionblue : It is possible and I'm sure the investigators are looking at it. However planes are repaired all the time and this repair was certified so it is not,
261 YVRLTN : Has MH published a cargo list to confirm if any hazmat on board? Undeclared or insufficiently packed DG cargo or in luggage is more likely than terro
262 stuyyz : Next press conference at 3pm...
263 Post contains links KC135Hydraulics : Don't know if this has been discussed, but AvHerald is reporting a large debris field spotted on 10 March 2014 by an overflying Cathy Pacific flight.
264 DeltaB717 : 3pm Malaysia time?
265 JimJupiter : Has been looked at - false alarm.
266 Starlionblue : Vietnam has three An-26 searching. I'm thinking the modernity or type of plane isn't really that relevant when it comes to visual scanning anyway. I
267 Mikey711MN : Agreed, but something that admittedly bothers me about the PR is that the statement could be technically true AND that the airline doesn't subscribe
268 BoeingVista : I agree, its like officially they are supposed to have it but somehow the bill has not been paid so in actuallity they do not...
269 DeltaB717 : What was written earlier seems more like supposition on the part of a.net posters, not actual information from MH. Unless I've missed something?
270 TheRedBaron : First of all my condolences to all the people who perished in this baffling tragedy. Now entertaining a wild speculation on my part: What if they had
271 yodobashi : Most pilots I've ever spoken to have stated FL100 as the norm in the event of an explosive decompression ....
272 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to its length this thread will be locked. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Please feel free t
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