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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 90801 times:
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Due to length part 11 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 12.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 91230 times:

these tweets just came in from CNN :

''CNN JUST IN -- "Large solid debris" sighted in sea by Cathay Pacific Airways pilots ''

''JUST IN: Hong Kong Civil Aviation Dept to CNN: pilots spotted "large solid debris" in Sth China Sea. No proof it's from missing jetliner''

Two CNN reporters have tweeted that the Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department have spotted debris in the South China Sea. There is no confirmation yet on this debris, and CNN have not posted anything yet on their site or on their official news streams. Even if there is confirmation that debris was found, as has occurred previously it will need to undertake testing to determine whether it originated from the plane.

[Edited 2014-03-10 22:13:33]


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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1557 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 90912 times:

From thread 11

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 267):
Agreed, but something that admittedly bothers me about the PR is that the statement could be technically true AND that the airline doesn't subscribe to ACARS, no?

Not trying to be pedantic here, but a few threads back seemed to mention that MH does not subscribe to ACARS. The only way to reconcile the PR statement with that is to critically evaluate the word choice.

I agree, its like officially they are supposed to have it but somehow the bill has not been paid so in actuallity they do not...

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):

''CNN JUST IN -- "Large solid debris" sighted in sea by Cathay Pacific Airways pilots ''

This maybe the same report from yesterday, without location info its impossible to apraise its credibility.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 90910 times:

I don't know if this has been asked yet, but I have been hearing some radars may have seen the jet make a U-turn. If we go with that, could it be possible it could be missing in the sea on the other side of the Malaysian Peninsula?


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User currently offlinecmhflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 90957 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 2):
This maybe the same report from yesterday, without location info its impossible to apraise its credibility.

AVHerald says "they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City"

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0


User currently offlineJimJupiter From Germany, joined Sep 2011, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 90903 times:

Quoting cmhflyguy (Reply 4):

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 2):
This maybe the same report from yesterday, without location info its impossible to apraise its credibility.

AVHerald says "they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City"

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

This seems to be the Vung Tau debris field, that has been looked at yesterday - without any results. The "large solid debris" reported today seems to be a new, maybe unrelated find.



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User currently offlinecmhflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 90152 times:

Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 5):
This seems to be the Vung Tau debris field, that has been looked at yesterday - without any results. The "large solid debris" reported today seems to be a new, maybe unrelated find.

But it mirrors exactly what CNN is reporting if you read the full AVHerald article. So I donno :-/


User currently offlineLittleFokker From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 261 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 89851 times:

I have not followed all the threads closely but have popped in every so often to see if any updates have happened. I think it's very fascinating that it has been 3 whole days, we have 12 A.nut threads about this incident, and there is still little to no credible facts known about what happened. We don't even have a crash site pinpointed yet. I think within a few hours of AF 447, we could at least narrow down the location to within a 50 mile radius or so.

At this point, I'd believe the plane traveled through a time warp, landed at BGR, and is about to get eaten by The Langoliers.



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 89511 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 3):
I don't know if this has been asked yet, but I have been hearing some radars may have seen the jet make a U-turn. If we go with that, could it be possible it could be missing in the sea on the other side of the Malaysian Peninsula?

That has been my own theory since the initial SAR locations "straddled" both sides of the peninsula. This was further cemented in my mind with the comments made by Malaysian civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman earlier when he said, in response to the obvious question as to why resources would be placed so far from the last known point of contact, "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't."

Don't get me wrong...I don't consider the notion of some large conspiracy or cover up, and I safely assume that governments have their reasons for keeping things out of the public domain, including Malaysia. In this case, however, what I believe one can safely conclude is that there is some evidence on radar that leads these authorities to believe that the plane is quite a bit further south and west than initially proposed.

This seems consistent with the mantra of "aviate-navigate-communicate". It is indeed truly unfortunate that these pilots never appear to have made it to this last step in their efforts to regain control of the aircraft. But human nature is to find egress from which one enters, so perhaps the natural response was to simply "turn around", provided that the airplane was fit to do so. If there were any maintainable avionics, that seems to make the most sense in the moment.

Taken in combination, something rather catastrophic and debilitating occurred on the flight - ranging from sudden mechanical failure to terrorism, in order of most to least likely IMHO - the effects of which appear to have been unrecoverable. Let's hope the necessary information will itself be recovered in due time.

-Mike



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User currently offlineairlanka From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 89131 times:

Yes the search is already in both sides of the peninsula. In fact most of the search is in Malacca straight plus the land mass of the peninsula. See the pics in this BBC news article here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26513077


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 88581 times:

So to summarize, the aircraft is not where it was supposed to be and it seems that the authorities know more than they are revealing ?


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7079 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 87950 times:

Anything in the cargo manifest that deserves a closer search?


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User currently offlinegr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 714 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 88063 times:

IT seems like they released a High Res satellite image so everybody can help searching.
Its a 3200 km2 area so might take a while to load

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014



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User currently onlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 87783 times:
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Quoting gr325 (Reply 15):
IT seems like they released a High Res satellite image so everybody can help searching.
Its a 3200 km2 area so might take a while to load

I've tried to get on there a couple times. I either get an error, or when I get the actual page it won't load all the way. Bummer.
Pat



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User currently offlineairlanka From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 87563 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 12):
So to summarize, the aircraft is not where it was supposed to be and it seems that the authorities know more than they are revealing ?

Seems that way. Otherwise why should the search area to the west of peninsula in Malacca Strait and on the land together be as much as four to five times larger than the search area near the place where the aircraft's final contact position in South China Sea?

[Edited 2014-03-10 22:59:37]


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User currently offlinewxmeddler From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 87155 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 16):

It seems everyone has been having that issue... I think their server is just being super-overloaded at the moment. Their twitter account has said they got over 10,000 pings within the first 2 hours, and that was before it went viral. I'm seeing multiple links on Twitter, Reddit, Facebook etc. now. I'm sure the amount of traffic the site is getting from SE Asis is enormous.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 85821 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 12):
So to summarize, the aircraft is not where it was supposed to be and it seems that the authorities know more than they are revealing ?

I'm personally not convinced that it's an either-or choice. In some sort of disintegration or massive structural failure, would, say, a sizable portion of the wing (again, one that was subject to a significant repair) show a return on primary radar in addition to the larger craft?

In other words, if radar is capable of that type of granularity to show two objects, it would certainly explain the vow of silence behind the nearly certain radar evidence that has them searching for, in my opinion, any fallen pieces near the point of last contact and the remaining craft closer to land. But I would think it important to recover from both areas, particularly as any hypothesized debris would not have the benefit of any locators to listen to, which further explains the long-standing resource commitment to points more north and east along the original flightpath.

Food for thought,
-Mike



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User currently offlineBA025Heavy From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2014, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 83753 times:
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If the aircraft did crash into the Straights of Mallaca then it would have crossed the Malaysian peninsula and surely someone would have seen or heard something. Parts of the peninsula are sparsly populated but its not like Borneo where things really can disappear!

I don't think their is some form of conspiracy going on but the Malaysian authorities performance in front of the media has been dreadful. They are clearly not revealing everything they know (in my opinion) which makes me think that what they know is not particularly flattering to Malaysia. I feel like they are managing the fall out for the country. Having said that if the Malaysian authorities know more than they are letting on surely other countries do to. I'm confused!!


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 83492 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 12):
So to summarize, the aircraft is not where it was supposed to be and it seems that the authorities know more than they are revealing ?

They either know more, or even less. The whole concept of possible (ie unknown) overflight and ending up having to search both sides of the peninsula gives me a headache. I can't help get the impression they're not being as forthcoming so as not to expose the cracks in their radar coverage.

Alternatively, they're also looking for the drug runners' aircraft which eventually ended up crashing on the West side. Rather far-fetched (or not) but expanding the search to include the Malacca Strait strikes me as bizarre.


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 85092 times:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/11/wo...irlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Read paragraph 8. It seems as they are indeed searching the Malayan peninsula, between the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman Sea.

Cheers
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User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2285 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 85303 times:

I suppose any new debris field that is *near* to any marine flotsam already checked deserves to be checked again. It shouldn't be that the MH370 debris plays mimicry and hides behind non-suspicious flotsam like this red/orange cable drum...

Yesterday I've spend an hour looking at the tomnod images, having tagged about 40 floating objects (and in 16 cases the tagging agreed with that of other people). It's easy to get frustrated there... clouds, clouds, water, clouds, and might this be a wave crest or... no, nothing... water, water... I can feel for the SAR guys out there.

But crowd-sourced interpretation of satellite imagery is the way to. We already count refugee camps that way, and during the last tropical storm in SE Asia, the anonymous crowd has helped identifying damaged roads and bridges, thus helping the land-based disaster relief.


David



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User currently onlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 83403 times:

I think they should start bringing in submarines...... after all the pingers on the recorders only last about what, 2-3 months?

User currently offlineJimJupiter From Germany, joined Sep 2011, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 83444 times:

Wasn't there a new press conference due by now?  

E: Or is everything said in the latest CNN article?

[Edited 2014-03-10 23:57:55]


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User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 83086 times:

Quoting BA025Heavy (Reply 23):
but its not like Borneo where things really can disappear!

Thanks for the reminder, new search area should be Borneo?



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User currently onlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 82903 times:
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Quoting JimJupiter (Reply 29):
Wasn't there a new press conference due by now?  

Someone in the previous thread mentioned the 3PM news conference was cancelled. Maybe they have something new they are working on? *fingers crossed*
Pat



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25 Post contains links flood : Looks like it's about to begin. http://www.astroawani.com/
26 liftsifter : Actually, 30-Days is my understanding. Maybe the triple seven's got a longer life on them, but I'm pretty sure it's 30-days. They've found planes wit
27 Finn350 : I think there are three scenarios that can be considered: 1 - Catastrophical structural or mechanical failure at the last known location. However, as
28 Post contains links alberchico : the guardian has a live blog covering the press conference : http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rlines-plane-search-continues-live
29 infinit : Singapore has sent submarines.
30 slinky09 : I'm veering between the Malaysian authorities do know something but are not being transparent (which is a worry), to they know absolutely nothing and
31 tortugamon : one of the passengers using a fake passport has been identified as a 19 year old from Iran and authorities believe he was trying to emigrate to German
32 jetblueguy22 : Maybe it is just a language barrier. But the gentleman they are interviewing seems hesitant before he speaks. It makes me think they know a lot more t
33 slinky09 : From the press conference: "We are looking into four areas: one hikacking, two sabotage, three psychological problems of the passengers and crew and f
34 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Also raising doubts about the possibility of an attack, the United States extensively reviewed imagery taken by spy satellites for evidence of a mid-a
35 tortugamon : Nor pilot error.... This speaker is responsible for figuring out who is on the plane and what their backgrounds are to see if there are motives for b
36 westjet_737 : I believe the person speaking here is the Inspector General of the police. He is referring to what is being investigated by the police only.
37 Post contains links Speedbird128 : Hi rcair1... I am nearly 100% that you guys over in the USA have primary radar still. Your FAA website has this information about their integrated PS
38 dan23 : I may be incorrect but my understanding (from what was said) is that those four areas areas are with respect to the investigations being undertaken b
39 Starlionblue : Language barrier is part of it. He is speaking with Malay accented English, which is rather close to Singlish. It takes a while to get used to it if
40 slinky09 : My thoughts too, and yes I agree they are not handling it well. The police chief is now contradicting the claim that five people were no shows and ha
41 Post contains links Starlionblue : Continually updated here: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rlines-plane-search-continues-live[Edited 2014-03-11 03:13:49 by SA7700]
42 CaliAtenza : Yeah this press conference was a total shit-show....seriously. It doesn't help when the media are constantly hounding the poor guy too.
43 Post contains links CalebWilliams : yes http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rlines-plane-search-continues-live
44 slinky09 : Although not reported there, but by the AP who say that according to the airline the west coast of the country is now the focus of the search area ..
45 Post contains images Coal : Thanks! Cheers Coal
46 Post contains links CaliAtenza : there was this on PPrune: http://i.imgur.com/KtDYQf4.jpg pretty creepy if true.
47 Speedbird128 : Except torching the plane would result in a huge black smoke plume detectable by satellite... best just leave it alone.
48 Starlionblue : Very interesting analysis of a very unlikely scenario. You could probably not do FL350 from the presumed loss of contact point though as primary rada
49 redadeco : This guy has gone too, too far. The chances this scenario would occur are very minimal if not zero. Anyway the background check on all passengers wil
50 Post contains images gr325 : That made me laugh
51 tortugamon : What are the chances there would be zero indication of a ghost plane and no flights or texts leaked out when the were crossing land. Its a pretty out
52 Starlionblue : Quite. Very interesting analysis. Astonishingly unlikely scenario. However rather oddly we cannot rule it out completely right now.
53 Post contains images AF185 : To match with this scenario, the a/c would also need to land somewhere with Zero cell phone transmission, so that no handset from passengers/crew cou
54 tortugamon : I took that as the easiest component of the entire far-fetched idea personally. tortugamon
55 Summa767 : There is, only that it's between the lines. Of the 4 possible scenarios given, 3 have to do with interference: hijacking, personal problem of the pax
56 PlanesNTrains : Just going by some of the other comments, the impression I get is that those four scenarios were only based on a criminal investigation and not mecha
57 canadiantree : Has any one confirmed whether the sightings from the Cathay crew of debris panned out? Given that no updates from the media probably means no...
58 CaliAtenza : That guy probably can't come out cause he most likely has his fingers in many pies; stuff like that. As soon as he comes out, they are gonna throw th
59 nm2582 : Speculation....perhaps the past 4 days of "results" (or lack thereof) are not perceived as matching well with an aircraft failure scenario? I'm overs
60 CaliAtenza : i could see them passing for Europeans easily; that's how they would have gotten on the flight undetected by Malaysian Authorities.
61 BoeingVista : No, at the press conference they said that all reported debris fields had been ruled out.
62 CaliAtenza : interestingly enough, if you go back to the thread in real time, that post seems to have been deleted and then another one has taken its place. But l
63 nm2582 : Did anyone notice this comment from the TheGuardian blog's live coverage of the press conference? "The United Nations Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organisa
64 PlanesNTrains : I would imagine they are just looking for another source that might be able to verify that an explosion of some kind took place. While not nuclear, p
65 BoeingVista : The Americans already checked 2 days ago, they found nothing. The UN are unlikly to have their own satilite resources.
66 nm2582 : If indeed they are looking for a nuclear signature, then they could be looking at air sampling or ground sampling - in much the same way that the worl
67 theaviator380 : Hijacking looks unlikely. Structural damage possible but would have given pilots some chance to send some signal to atc. So chances are slim. Suicide
68 LH648 : They just have very sensitive equipment that potentially can "smell" plane crashing into the water.
69 Post contains links liquidair : I woke up this morning to see the headlines on the morning news. "ex spy says Iran not Libya responsible for Lockerbie" http://www.bing.com/r/1A/Gj91d
70 JimJupiter : Well, they have half a century of experience in detecting US or Soviet underground tests through seismic monitoring.
71 Post contains images Starlionblue : This was the police/security head (can't remember exact title). He specifically only addressed the criminal bits of the investigation and stated he w
72 SKAirbus : The ineptitude of the Malaysian authorities is quite astounding. If they know something, they should at least inform the families. By with witholding
73 LO231 : Is there any hope? Belgian news announced somebody's mobile on board still works, no answer... Cannot stop being upset
74 murchmo : No. They have equipment that detects frequencies out of human capabilities. They are searching for anything abnormal that could be an explosion. Nucl
75 Post contains images JimJupiter : We're way ahead of the news here... A ringtone does not necessarily mean that the phone is actually ringing (it's network generated). We had similar
76 marosbts : Read the Guardian summary. It seems the mother of one of the Iranians was awaiting him in Frankfurt and she reported to the authorities when he did n
77 pvjin : Why do you think they actually know anything more than we do? So far the fact they are searching from many different directions would indicatethey do
78 Leej : I've not read every thread, but awoke this morning with this 'nagging' thought. What if the Captain, with his amazing simulator set up at home, was tr
79 Post contains links melpax : A young woman claims she was entertained in the cockpit for an entire flight back in 2011 by the co-pilot who was on board the Malaysian Airlines plan
80 LO231 : Thanks Jim, Im just upset about the news coverage, watchin CNN and BBC here 24 24
81 nm2582 : Fair point - I wonder how sensitive their equipment is. North Korea's first nuclear test yielded approximately 1 kiloton (4.2x10^12 joules) of energy
82 Post contains images Pellegrine : Not that I believe that mess of a story, but what 'primary' radar is anywhere near the Indian Ocean except for Diego Garcia and any naval ships there
83 windshear : I've seen many Asians with their Iphone in water proof containers... Could be why...
84 Post contains links liquidair : respectfully, the press have been pretty shocking and whether the mother story turns out true or not, I'm not so sure. I mean, if she knew he was on
85 LO231 : Seems like worse crash thn 747s in TFS back then, I just get more upset
86 vfw614 : I guess she was entertainedby the CPT rather than the then 25 y/o FO - surely the FO was not able to entertain passengers in the cockpit against the
87 Post contains images JimJupiter : It's not easy to keep up with all the reports and speculations. Maybe somebody would be so kind to add FAQ section to thread #13, like in some of the
88 redadeco : I'm literally running out of words after watching this video. In-flight smoking and teasing inside the cockpit, could be a potential scenario for adu
89 Finn350 : I think they are able to rule out high-altitude explosion based on the satellite network used to monitor ballistic missile launches. They probably ar
90 marosbts : I meant that hijacking by the two fake passport holders has been IMHO discredited. If you consider that the plane was under control of one of the pil
91 Asiaflyer : More likely than what? Not much indicates that any of the pilots were suiscidal candidates. Major technical failure on the plane is just as likely at
92 Post contains images 456 : I think it is to have a complete picture of the austrian person rather to have only half his body on the picture. Who cares his legs and shoes
93 haynflyer : LOL! I think the pants of the guy on the right was pasted on the lower half of the guy on the left. They didn't even bother to hide where the left gu
94 liquidair : you're right.... and its not just that. The picture posted before of the group of friends - they're wearing the exact same tops as in that previous p
95 airevents : Just a - maybe a bit naive - question: Why is there no live broadcast (audio/video) from all flight decks to the airline's ops departments where all d
96 SKAirbus : So... just to put it out there. What do you think are the chances of the wreckage never being found? The aircraft went missing relatively close to lan
97 Starlionblue : What makes you think they're withholding information? What regime? Malaysia is a constitutional monarchy. Same as Norway incidentally. Sorry. That's
98 EVAAIRBR076 : yes indeed, that change my opinion aswell towards the cockpit crew on this flight. Quite shocking actually considering they are responsible for many
99 Post contains images redadeco : Most likely, few moments before their departure to the airport. The other two guys with them on the photo seem to be potential illegal migrants too w
100 marosbts : This was explained before. Even if you would have such systems, due to safety the crew would always have the option to switch them off. Same way the
101 slinky09 : There are at least two occurences of this happening with large passenger jets, albeit in very different places and situations.
102 Post contains links PanAmPaul : Meanwhile, the search is expanding on land in two areas according to the latest reports in addition to sea. Search for Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet E
103 Pellegrine : I agree that some horrible splice or misprint job went on here. Yet, look at the lower half of the left image in reply 71. They are actually from dif
104 liquidair : seems it was taken by another Iranian student living in Kuala Lumpur. only difference between two photos is crucifix missing in airport photo of guy
105 SA7700 : Out of respect to the crew, passengers and also family members; close to those onboard MH370; could we please keep science fiction theories and conten
106 YokoTsuno : No, the lower half of both pictures are the same. Look at the tiles and orientation of the feet. A printing problem I guess.
107 aryonoco : While the name Reza is a very common name in Iran, and obviously Iran is a majority Muslim country, just because someone's parents gave them the name
108 speedbird203 : My first theory was that the plane has been landed somewhere and was possibly a hijacking, But with lack of information and no one claiming responsibi
109 canadiantree : Tuesday, March 11, 05:29 PM MYT +0800 Malaysia Airlines MH370 Flight Incident - 12th Media Statement This statement is in reference to the many querie
110 westjet_737 : Pure speculation here, but given what is seen on the Australian cockpit video, is it possible that an improperly discarded cigarette started a fire? P
111 dirktraveller : Thanks for sharing this one. I noticed that while the testimony looks honest, it have been exagerrated by the media at some stage. It was surprising,
112 Post contains links specks159 : Apparently they have possible radar evidence that MH370 went west over land and out over the Strait of Malacca, last detected around Pulau Perak http:
113 speedbird203 : At the moment anything seems possible, But don't you think the pilots would of managed to send some sort of signal or transmit some kind of message.
114 ChaosTheory : Max reverse and max autobrake will get you down to 4000ft. Max manual braking will shave about 400ft off that. 10 000lbs for takeoff and climb. Anoth
115 Post contains links redadeco : "Christian Kozel, a 61 year old former masseur from Salzburg says his passport was stolen years ago in Thailand. A version of his passport was used by
116 KingAir93 : If you pay attention to the bag that both men are carrying, you will notice the similar red marking on the right side of the bag, that raises some su
117 Starlionblue : Thanks for the numbers. However those are "runway required" numbers right? They assume the mandated safety factor (required distance is 1.67x actual)
118 westjet_737 : I was envisioning something that at the time that they were able to send the message, they didn't in a panic. Perhaps to try to avoid explaining what
119 YokoTsuno : I doubt that. Most likely a printing error. Look at the line in between, typical for printing problems.
120 JimJupiter : Could this solve the confusion about the conflicting time specifications by the authorities?
121 ChaosTheory : Correct. Textbook and not cowboy numbers.
122 Starlionblue : Ever since the British Airtours fire way a few decades ago it is 'very hard to set any fittings on fire in an aircraft. All the fabric and stuff is f
123 Post contains links liquidair : i do a lot of printing as part of my work, and I'm not sure what you're referring to. Unless one was stopped halfway and then the other started witho
124 speedbird203 : Quite possible, If they did panic and things progressed quite quickly it may of been hard to alert anyone. I've just listened to the Interpol news co
125 aryonoco : You thought you had heard all of the conspiracy theories, hadn't you? Bet you not this one: Hasan Naghavi, an Iranian MP who is also a member of the p
126 gr325 : Quote from Avherald: On Mar 11th 2014 Malaysia's Air Force reported their primary radar data suggest, the aircraft may have turned west over the Gulf
127 Pellegrine : How far through the roof? I just don't think as far as some people think.
128 EI747SYDNEY : So shocking to think the plane has just vanished. So much wild speculation flying (no pun intended) around at the moment is really not healthy.
129 Post contains images David L : They may simply be reluctant to mention unconfirmed theories or anything that might be seen as no more than a hunch. The first explanation for extend
130 s5daw : That's just bizarre... They had this bleep on their screen flying across the country and no jets were scrambled and the aircraft disappeared? OK... i
131 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : From the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...tes#block-531ee760e4b025518d900a65
132 Post contains links PanAmPaul : Now the military is saying it tracked the jet to the Strait of Malacca. Military Tracked Malaysia Airlines Jet to Strait of Malacca .
133 vfw614 : If the aircraft made the turn deliberately and not because of an emergency, I am wondering if the area where it happened was chosen for a particular r
134 OV735 : As wild and irrational as it sounds, and as unprobable it has been ruled by the lot here after previous speculation, I'm thinking more and more about
135 liquidair : only 3000 feet below original FL? Doesn't sound uncontrolled or unpowered to me. incapacitation and autopilot on heading previously set, perhaps? or
136 Post contains links tkukucka : http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/359411/Strait-of-Malacca Not sure if this has been posted here before According to this the strait is betwee
137 pvjin : Malaysia isn't Soviet Union during its most paranoid times or a war zone, I can't see why anyone would possibly shoot down a jetliner cruising at 35k
138 Post contains links jetfuel : http://mobile.news.com.au/world/miss...light/story-fndir2ev-1226850952131 CO-PILOT at the controls of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 invit
139 vfw614 : Sure. But why? Makes no sense in case of an emergency to continue past Malaysia / Thailand. Makes no sense in case of a hijacking to never show up an
140 s5daw : I'm not sure if Soviet Union ever shot down a civil plane, but USA did (or some people claim they did), so what's your point?[Edited 2014-03-11 04:07
141 marosbts : If they continued at this heading, they could be lost anywhere in the indian ocean. And without further clues, it will be very very difficult to find
142 Post contains links OV735 : The soviets were responsible for the most publicized shootdown ever, of the KAL007.
143 Post contains images redadeco : KE007, 1983
144 westjet_737 : Perhaps a it started in a bag or garbage can? I guess it would require outside items to feed the initial spread. I would also assume then that the re
145 TC-MNC : KAL 007 ?
146 na : And what took them 3 days to detect that? More important occupation? While that is right, there are few places where a 777 could land in that region,
147 Post contains links don : And Korean Air 902 in 1978 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
148 murchmo : Interesting they initially said 2:40am then immediately changed it to the widely discussed 1:30am. Now with the release of radar info of it in the Mal
149 damirc : So let me surmise what we now know. 01:20L - ADS-B gets turned off, MH370 stops communicating with ATC 02:40L - MH370 vanishes from military radar (pr
150 pvjin : Yes, that's what I thought, Helios 522. A serious failure of some kind -> They turned back towards Malaysia with autopilot still on -> They got
151 Finn350 : I think they have suspected it all the time, otherwise they would not have started the search west of Malaysia. Maybe they now have gotten confirmati
152 LTC8K6 : Why the delay in reporting the correct last position? 32K feet would not explain those witnesses reporting an unusually low flight.
153 Post contains links murchmo : http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...t-tracked-mh370-to-malacca-straits "This is also supported with police reports made by some east coast resident
154 Julian773 : Very unprofessional actions by the flight crew. The content of the video also confirms that the F/O indeed transitioned from the 737classic/NG to the
155 Finn350 : A possible scenario, but it doesn't explain why the transponder was turned off or failed and why there were no ACARS messages related to the loss of
156 thunderboltdrgn : This is could be due to time zone differences. 01.30 Vietnam time is 02.30 Malaysia time.
157 nupogodi : They've been searching that area for a while now, so I would say no, it took them 3 days to tell the public about it. I don't know why they're being
158 LTC8K6 : The transponder would not be turned off in any "regular" incapacitation scenario.
159 LTC8K6 : The claim seems to be 3K feet below normal, not 3K feet. That is, 32K feet. You'd probably hit something at 3K feet and not make it to the straights.
160 na : There indeed is some similarity. In this case originating in a structural failure of some kind disabling the transmitter and incapacitating the crew.
161 liquidair : i think this is most likely scenario- something knocked out comms and eventually lead to incapacitating the crew. I'm going with fumes of some sort f
162 s5daw : I think the are hills up to 1800m high between west and east coast.[Edited 2014-03-11 04:28:22]
163 slinky09 : But at the same time, to devote much need SAR resources in the Gulf of Thailand shows they're not certain ... perhaps! Compared to AF447 and the avai
164 BoeingVista : Heading straight towards SOMALIA! You couldn't make this up..
165 Post contains links pvjin : True, it's really weird. I can't see why someone would want to hijack the aircraft and fly it over Indian Ocean. Based on positions reported so far t
166 LTC8K6 : Can you safely cross back over Malaysia at 3K feet?
167 na : According to flightglobal MAS may have a "cheap" ACARS contract were data is only transmitted every 30 minutes or so.
168 flyingturtle : If we assume that no hijacking happened, but rather something like electrical failure, what's the most probable scenario given that the whole route to
169 LTC8K6 : Why would they not search out farther along that track? Would other radar sites have seen the plane given this new track?
170 aw70 : Long time lurker, finally registered to join the discussion on this topic. If the information about MH370 dropping by 3000 feet, *then* turning back,
171 redadeco : No I don't think so because there are many >2000m summits across the peninsula.
172 David L : It's sounded all along to me that the evidence wasn't so positive that there was no doubt. Given that they wouldn't initially have expected the fligh
173 liquidair : From the guardian latest Earlier on Tuesday, Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the Malaysia Airlines pl
174 Voodoo : There does seem to be a layer of subtle censorship from the Malaysian govt. Perhaps its subtlety is due to a lack of certainty on their part and the f
175 EVAAIRBR076 : but if they were flying so low for a while, why nobody used their cellphones?
176 Voodoo : Below other aircraft in area at cruise of 30k+ is my guess.
177 pvjin : I think they lost around 3000ft or so from their original altitude rather than flying at 3000ft. So they were still somewhere around 30 000ft...
178 Asiaflyer : When it vanishes from the military radar, it unfortunately seems to be the point where it crashed. You can turn off ACARS during flight, but you cant
179 klebert : The NYT reports this morning that apparently all threads with the fake passports have been explained and terrorism on that end has been ruled out (ill
180 flyingturtle : Because all seemed normal for the passengers. In the AF447 case, no F/A informed the pilots of anything... no mention of "some passengers complained
181 EVAAIRBR076 : sorry i forgot to say that i said this to possible rule out hijacking or the flight crew flying the plane somewhere else etc, it wouldnt make sence i
182 OV735 : I agree that a runway with an absolute minimum of 1200-1500 metres in lenght and 30 metres in width is required, not to mention a good weight toleran
183 Owleye : Totally off planned route....!!
184 theaviator380 : If they went West over Malaysia towards Malacca, how come outward traffic from KUL didn't notice MS370 in their vicinity? I guess Radar on board can d
185 Starlionblue : It takes time for these alerts to filter through and you can't scramble for every lost comms situation because they do happen not too infrequently. W
186 garpd : So, what he have now is a statement from the authorities that indicates a radar return travelling from this flights last known position, over Malaysia
187 Post contains links traveladdict : What does everyone make of this? http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/?og=1
188 slinky09 : Or if this route is correct, what did they say to the passengers ... does Malaysian's AVOD have a live flight map (I checked their website and it see
189 Post contains links and images flyingturtle : View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael Brazier-Aviation-Images No, but airliners certainly can't do that. This detection (TCAS) relies on ADS-B broadc
190 imatams : I'm thinking that right now 2 very distinct scenario's are emerging: The 'eastern' scenario: The aircraft did NOT cross the Malay peninsula and did in
191 pvjin : What if the aircraft simply flew out of that military radar's range?
192 michi : No! The "radar" on board of civilian aircraft is a weather radar only. The system for collision avoidance (TCAS) is using transponder information or
193 klebert : Not just in Asia. Again, look at MS990 and the reaction throughout by the Egyptian authorities. I think it has more to do with gvmt-owned entities (a
194 LTC8K6 : 200ER not listed in the Boeing doc, iirc. "This AD applies to The Boeing Company Model 777-200, -200LR, - 300, -300ER, and -777F series airplanes, ce
195 LTC8K6 : Yeah, that's why I wondered about the search not extending along the track.
196 Speedbird128 : No it doesnt. TCAS is independant of ADS-B. TCAS functions off a regular Mode-A/C transponder...
197 aw70 : Or, more specifically, what if the Malaysian military does not want to admit that some of their primary radar stations were inoperable that night? Sa
198 Pellegrine : As someone else probably proposed, after an emergency the pilots could have turned back towards KUL and flown over the South Andaman and Strait of Mal
199 Post contains links nupogodi : Only some TCAS integrates ADS-B broadcasts, apparently they call this 'hybrid surveillance': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic...surveillance-broa
200 EI747SYDNEY : This is all very strange! a modern jetliner just dissapearing and nobody seems to have any idea where it is! All just speculation at this stage.
201 Post contains links SOBHI51 : http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/11/wo...irlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 With all due respect, he can not be sure of that, yet.
202 DTW2HYD : I doubt Malaysian military has any clue. It is possible other countries with advanced surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities might have some id
203 Speedbird128 : Or TIS-B, and requires ADS-B "in" hardware installed...
204 JimJupiter : "we're inclined to conclude" =/= "we're sure of" To my understanding.
205 dirktraveller : According to airlineroute's twitter page, MH is retiring flight number MH370/371 effective March 14. MH's KUL-PEK service will be MH318/319 this Frida
206 Post contains images JimJupiter : Going by Hanlon's razor, I'd also assume that they either are not sure of their findings (data), or may have had a visit from Mr. Cock-up that they d
207 SCQ83 : This is getting weird by the minute. Regarding terrorism hypothesis, Banda Aceh (on the Northern tip of the island of Sumatra) is well-known for terro
208 hiflyer : So 1000 meters...fairly staight course...crosses the land mass over a park...last reading out in the strait apparently same course...if a hijacking wh
209 aw70 : Something else that I have not read much, if anything about here: if the flight indeed doubled back to overfly the peninsula, and if primary radar con
210 Post contains images Starlionblue : You have a good point about "home base". Zero comms seems so very unlikely but let's posit that. You lost everything. Why are you dumping fuel? First
211 flyingturtle : Thank you! The difference wasn't clear to me. David
212 TreeHillRavens : Yes. MAS AVOD system on the 772 does feature a LIVE flight map. This channel however, can be switched off.
213 Enobar : Yes, I have flown many times with MH on the 772 Fleet and It does have live maps. If there's ever a spare seat next to me i always tune it into the m
214 slinky09 : Thanks, so the passengers must have know they weren't going to Beijing, OR it was another system / channel deliberately or due to some failure turned
215 Post contains links s5daw : SOme people on the forum mentioned 9M-MRO didn't have SATCOM antenna. Probably not something Malaysia would like to advertise. Pulau Perak is 100km o
216 nupogodi : GPS works fine inside an aircraft fuselage, and mobile devices are fully capable of locking on to GPS without AGPS. While many mobile devices require
217 Post contains images mila : Interesting a Swedish military assault boat Stridsbåt90 in Asia https://www.google.se/search?q=stridsb%C3%A5t+90&client=firefox-a&hs=2nN&
218 uta999 : Does the captain hold the vital clue to this. Why would a 777 captain have a simulator of the same plane at home? It does not make sense
219 zeke : Which could be the single engine drift down level at that weight. Low flying small and large aircraft are common in the Strait of Malacca for piracy
220 pvjin : Because he enjoys flight simming? After all in a home flight simulator you can fly your 777 wherever you want with your own schedule, something you c
221 mila : I did ask myself the same thing when I saw the simulator, odd but he could just be a real flight nerd OTH.
222 LH648 : Make perfect sense to me. It would be strange if he had Tu-134 simulator...
223 mila : Why? I seldom do things at home that I do in the office!
224 nupogodi : It makes perfect sense. He enjoys flying, he's an aviation enthusiast, and clearly a geek. I am jealous of his setup. He was using Flight Simulator 9
225 nupogodi : Really? I do things for fun that I get paid for professionally... Some people actually love what they do, but getting paid for it and having bosses a
226 Mir : I can buy the cracking happening, but I can't buy the results. A slow decompression will set off the cabin altitude alerter well before the crew goes
227 OV735 : I've met pilots personally who are avid simulator enthusiasts. The reason why most of us don't to things at home that we do in the office is that wha
228 Post contains images na : And I do the same at home as in my office as my hobby is the same as my job (lucky me, well, at least when not looking at the money all the time ). S
229 Post contains links cbrboy : Malaysia may well have asked the Indonesian military, but the media doesn't appear to have asked. According to this January blog post, Indonesia has
230 Post contains images mila : I agree, but he was flying the same plane I would fly a different plane at home just like I do HW at work SW at home.
231 Tristarsteve : Well they are wrong. MH B777 have flat plate satcom antenna fixed on each side of the fuselage around door 3. They do not have a huge bubble on the r
232 Shanwick1011Z : TINKER - TAILOR - SOLDIER - SPY! All very complicated! Maybe it's very simple after all! Let us consider that first word "tinker" The captain is known
233 Post contains images David L : There's at least one here. If he'd had sinister motives, he probably wouldn't have shown his simulator setup on social media.
234 foxxray : Well, i'm a real life pilot but i still enjoy "playing" Flight Simulator at home from time to time... I have a lot of friends which are also pilots a
235 timothy31388 : What's wrong with that? My dad was a MH B747-400 Captain and he too has a B747 flight sim at home, although not as large as the one built by Captain
236 David L : Given the history between Malaysia and Indonesia, I'm not surprised, although I've no idea what the situation is now.
237 mila : Swedish media now refers to Reuters the the military have spotted the aircraft in the Malacka channel.
238 BaconButty : I think it's pretty certain they have, and drawn a blank, since they're concentrating their efforts in the NW approaches to the Malacca strait. Cheer
239 flyingturtle : Ehhhh... if it is true... WOW... David
240 456 : Nothing on the reuters side. Only that it is tracked to the malacca channel...
241 Voodoo : I think that just refers to 'last tracked position' ... not a finding of the plane.
242 JimJupiter : Sure? Or are they referring to it's radar appearance in the area at the night of the incident?
243 Finn350 : Same here in Finland, but it probably is only a mistranslation of the following Reuters quote: [Edited 2014-03-11 06:29:01]
244 Post contains images flyingturtle : Then I have an axe to grind with mila for using the words "spotted the aircraft"... David
245 9VSIO : Never mind that, what were the air defence chaps doing if that's the case?!
246 Post contains links slinky09 : And look what Crikey Plane Talking has posted: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...uthorities-visit-crash-site-today/
247 COEWR787 : The extra surveillance of the Straits of Malacca may also have something to do with dealing with the level of piracy in that area.
248 vfw614 : One has to wonder if they only found out about the aircraft heading in the direction of Kota Bahru and descending from there across Malaysia in the di
249 Post contains images JimJupiter : Some speculation and some (barely hidden) allegations.... Well.
250 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked down, due to length. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Please continue
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