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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2797 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 87471 times:
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Due to length part 14 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 15.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17038 posts, RR: 66
Reply 1, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 87529 times:

I'm going to quote mandala499 because the post deserves to be at the top as it summarizes a lot of things wel.

This is getting ridiculous.
Sorry, a lot of posts here are covering things that do NOT make sense.

Quoting dirktraveller (Reply 404):
He would probably tried to divert to PEN

Kota Baru would be the nearest to his position.

No, I don't buy the aircraft making it to the straits of Malacca.
Those who believe the cellphone theories need to know how the stuff works.
Those who claim that it can be through the satcom on the aircraft, unfortunately 9M-MRO is NOT fitted with the GSM-onboard system. Even if so, if it uses the Inmarsat Swift Broadband, you can actually narrow down its location by now if it's active, as it has fixed aiming spot beam from the satellite.

Those who say Indonesia shot the plane down, please get your heads checked. Our Air Force highly value the missiles. A gun run would require a higher performance jet... The jets we have in west Borneo and in Sumatra are mere Hawk 100/200s. And yes, interception permission to fire process involve approval to the duty commander of the Defence Command (The areas we are talking comes under the west air defence command), and if not being fired at, to shoot your interceptee, we need permission from the Chief of Staff, Minister of Defence, OR President. A LOT in the chain to get the permission, if it happened, it would have leaked by now!

People need to remember, AF447 simply disappeared... only the ACARS (sat-cars) gave clues. Now imagine if we had no Satcars on AF447? Coz MH's ACARS service subscription, is much lighter/less than AF's... eg: no automated flight following position update, longest interval engine monitoring... etc...


BTW mandala499 it is not getting ridiculous. It was already ridiculous a long time ago and many posts ago. 

The conspiracy theories are an inevitable consequence of uncertainty.

[Edited 2014-03-11 20:36:20]


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User currently offlinechrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1069 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 87481 times:

This is getting even more ridiculous now

THE search for missing Flight MH370 has been thrown into yet more confusion after a key Malaysian military chief denied earlier reports that radar had spotted the plane hundreds of kilometres off course.

Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was quoted in a local pro-government newspaper as saying a military base had detected the Malaysia Airlines aircraft near an island in the Malacca Strait, far to the southwest of where it should have been headed.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...ikely/story-fnizu68q-1226851991393



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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 87281 times:
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I've been following these threads with quite a bit of interest and given the recent developments I'm wondering if anyone one else has entertained the thought that the longer this plane goes without being found, the more interests in the areas along the Indian Ocean/Asian Pacific Coasts should start moving to a higher level of alert.

It wouldn't be the first time a terrorist group has used a plane as a weapon and it doesn't take a lot of imagination as to what types of materials terrorists groups can get their hands onto to fill up a 250 ton metal tube.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25291 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 87094 times:

Quoting chrisrad (Reply 2):
This is getting even more ridiculous now

THE search for missing Flight MH370 has been thrown into yet more confusion after a key Malaysian military chief denied earlier reports that radar had spotted the plane hundreds of kilometres off course.

Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was quoted in a local pro-government newspaper as saying a military base had detected the Malaysia Airlines aircraft near an island in the Malacca Strait, far to the southwest of where it should have been headed.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...ikely/story-fnizu68q-1226851991393

I've also seen some reports saying that his statement is being contradicted by other government sources.


User currently offlinesocalgeo From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 42 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86839 times:

OK, Another theory, but hear me out. I read this account of a "potential" eyewitness yesterday

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...ible-sighting-of-airliner-1.505683

and I immediately discarded it because it didn't fit all of the data points that I had been hearing. But after all of the different ebbs and flows of possibilities that we heard today I decided to see if I could make this account fit. Heck, it's got to sound more realistic than the theory presented a few pages ago of a government hijacking the plane (full of its own citizens, mind you) so they could reverse engineer the plane's 20+ year old design... even though that government owns dozens of these planes already..unbelievable..... Anyway, here it is:

1) The crew is somehow not in total control, and can't communicate.

2) An eyewitness in Keterah claims to have seen "a bright white light, believed to be of an aircraft, descending at high speed towards the South China Sea about 1.45am on the day flight MH370 went missing"

3) Eyewitness claims ""It was moving towards the sea, towards Bachok area, which was unusual. "Usually, aircrafts that fly over here have their usual route pattern, but this one went completely towards the other way," he said. Alif said he watched the light's movement for about five minutes, before realising that it was descending."

It is possible that the earlier account of a western flight path towards the Andaman Sea was real, but the details are not complete, or were inaccurate, like, perhaps the actual time that the plane was over Pulau Perak Island thus the Govt. retracted the whole thing. If you can believe this, then perhaps the plane turned back east and descended rapidly back over Keterah towards the South China Sea and ditched not far off the coast. Images of that Ethiopian 767 hitting the surf 10-15 years ago come up for me.

I made a map of the scenario:


If the plane went in within a few miles of shore, in a relatively confined area (like that hijacked Ethiopian 767) then perhaps it would have gone unnoticed. I have searched for a KML or good drawing of the search area boundaries, but I have not found one yet. Anyway, the search grids look to me like they have concentrated off shore...

So there it is...thoughts?

SoCalGeo


User currently offlineWeb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86772 times:
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Sorry just came to my mind, what happens to a fly by wire airplane , like the B777, B787, A320-A380 if there is a total electrical failure? how controllable would it be?

I realize it is really absurd to think about a total electrical failure, but I wouldn't mind knowing for future reference.



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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86763 times:

Quoting chrisrad (Reply 2):

He may not have said it, but somebody did. Why are they searching in that area, just for the heck of it?



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User currently onlinebellancacf From United States of America, joined May 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86760 times:

To what extent is a 777 able to fly entirely on its own? If someone set the autopilot (or some system) to hold an altitude and heading, would the plane then fly until its fuel ran out in the direction requested and at the height requested?

User currently offlineflyenthu From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86762 times:
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Can anyone please respond to my question (Reply 404) in Thread 14? It is almost at the bottom of that thread. Thank you!

User currently offlinechrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1069 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86607 times:

More and more this is screaming there is more to this story that the government of Malaysia know, and are not prepared to share.. yet

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Quoting chrisrad (Reply 2):
This is getting even more ridiculous now

THE search for missing Flight MH370 has been thrown into yet more confusion after a key Malaysian military chief denied earlier reports that radar had spotted the plane hundreds of kilometres off course.

Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was quoted in a local pro-government newspaper as saying a military base had detected the Malaysia Airlines aircraft near an island in the Malacca Strait, far to the southwest of where it should have been headed.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...ikely/story-fnizu68q-1226851991393

I've also seen some reports saying that his statement is being contradicted by other government sources.



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User currently offlineWeb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86604 times:
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Quoting aerobalance (Reply 7):

Quoting chrisrad (Reply 2):

He may not have said it, but somebody did. Why are they searching in that area, just for the heck of it?

The Malaysian government has no idea where MH370 is, or where it went. My guess is they are throwing darts at a map on the wall.

[Edited 2014-03-11 20:46:19]

My faith in the Malaysian government to properly conduct a search and rescue mission is severely shaken, and it really is a shame. I feel like they are going through the motions, hoping to stumble upon wreckage.


[Edited 2014-03-11 20:51:08]


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User currently offlineMark2fly1034 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86588 times:

I really hope they do find this plane soon. the longer this goes on the worse and probably more ugly its going to get to say the least. How is it if I lose my $500 iPhone I can find it right away anywhere in the world but a $250 million dollar aircraft goes under the radar. There has to be stuff not being told to the public. I have a feeling that new rules will be put into place because of this. Also how much longer do the search the new area before moving on. Maybe going more west? How many boats travel the area where they are looking or further west? By now a commercial boat of some kind would of found something. This is taking way to long to find this plane and is becoming a little ridiculous. 90% of the post on here with theories could be true the other 10% about aliens sound highly unlikely. I really do feel bad for the families I could never imagine being on either end and going through this.

On a side note the US media is going to keep going on about this until its found. One of my favorite quotes so far from CNN asked by the news anchor was can the plane even fly with the transponder turned off.... come on lets ask real question now.


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86233 times:

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Looks like Vietnam is scaling back their effort. Would China be expected to do the bulk of the recovery once the aircraft is found seeing as their navy is the most capable of doing the job ?



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User currently onlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 86028 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/malaysia-milit...veered-west-004734056--sector.html

I think it's pretty clear that the MAF has no info on where the plane went after IGARI. They know only that it changed heading at IGARI and then disappeared.

The other search area was based on that heading, and not on any radar track.


User currently offlineDeltaAtl From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85845 times:

FAA and Oxygen (From FAA Publications)

Oxygen Requirements at Altitude.

The FAA requires that all pilots flying their aircraft above 12,500 feet for 30 minutes or longer or at 14,000 feet or above during the entire flight must use supplemental oxygen. The amount required is 1 liter of oxygen per minute for every 10,000 feet. For example, at 18,000 feet there should be a flow of 1.8 liters per minute of oxygen available via a standard breathing device. The FAA requires there should be a device so attached to each breathing device that visually shows the flow of oxygen. (Nelson flow meters meet this FAA requirement.) The FAA also regulates that passengers must have supplemental oxygen available over 15,000 feet and that it is recommended that supplemental oxygen be used at night at altitudes over 5,000 feet.

Effective Performance Time.

This is the amount of time during which a pilot is able to effectively or adequately fly his aircraft with an insufficient supply of oxygen. At altitudes below 30,000 feet this time may differ considerably from the time of total consciousness (the time it takes to pass out). Above 35,000 feet the times become shorter and eventually coincides, for all practical purposes, with the time it takes for blood to circulate from the lungs to the head.

Average Effective Performance Time for flying
personnel without supplemental oxygen:

15,000 to 18,000 feet ..........30 minutes or more

22,000 feet ...............................5 to 10 minutes

25,000 feet .................................3 to 5 minutes

28,000 feet............................2 1/2 to 3 minutes

30,000 feet .................................1 to 2 minutes

35,000 feet ............................30 to 60 seconds

40,000 feet ............................15 to 20 seconds

45,000 feet ..............................9 to 15 seconds

Factors which will determine the Effective Performance Time

Altitude. EPT decreases at high altitudes.
Rate of ascent. In general, the faster the rate, the shorter the EPT.
Physical Activity. Exercise decreases EPT considerably.
Day-to-Day Factors. Physical fitness and other factors (smoking, health, stress) may change your ability to tolerate hypoxia from day to day, thereby changing your EPT.
Cannulas.

The cannula type breathing devices can be used up to 18,000 feet. If a cannula is used, there must be a standby face mask available for each cannula used in case a head cold causes the user some nasal congestion. Pilots should refer to FAR 23.1447 to see if any restrictions apply for their use of cannula type breathing devices in operating their aircraft.

Cylinders.

Oxygen cylinders should be hydrostatically tested every 5 years. Steel Cylinders are usually tested every 10 years. Specially constructed oxygen cylinders could have a shorter period for hydrostatically testing. There could also be a limit on how long the cylinder may be used when it was supplied as original equipment with a factory installed, built in oxygen system. Most cylinders can be used indefinitely. However, some aircraft may be required to replace the cylinders after 25 years. Factory supplied built in oxygen systems will have the necessary maintenance information in the aircraft manual.

Around the neck of the cylinder are letters and numbers stamped into the cylinder. Of importance to the pilot are three items. AT the beginning of the numbers are the letters, DOT. This indicates that the cylinder has been approved by the Department of Transportation, which means they can be commercially filled. European cylinders may not have the DOT stamped on the cylinder. This could prevent the cylinder from being refilled in the USA. Owners of imported aircraft from Europe should be aware of this problem.

After the DOT label, there will be 4 numbers. These indicate the rate cylinder pressure. 2015 and 2216 are common.

After the end of all the numbers will be two numbers followed by a letter that looks like an inverted capital A and then two more numbers. This is the date of manufacture of the cylinder. The first numbers are the month (03 for example would be March) and the last two being the year of manufacture (96 for would be for 1996).

The date testing is required is based on this date, not when the cylinder was purchased. It is quite common to have a unused cylinder that could be one of two years old. Perhaps not fair for the buyer, but who said life was always fair.

Outlets in Built-In Systems.

We understand that some systems require the O-Ring seals in the manifold outlets to be replaced on a scheduled basis. Consult your aircraft manual for more information.

FAA Altitude Test Chamber.


User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85686 times:

Quoting socalgeo (Reply 5):
If the plane went in within a few miles of shore, in a relatively confined area (like that hijacked Ethiopian 767) then perhaps it would have gone unnoticed. I have searched for a KML or good drawing of the search area boundaries, but I have not found one yet. Anyway, the search grids look to me like they have concentrated off shore...

So there it is...thoughts?

First, thank you for providing a map...always makes it so much easier to understand what you're explaining.

As to your theory, it's not too farfetched, however I don't think it's likely. I say this because with such a low flight path over a populated area, I'd expect many more eyewitnesses. Also, a crash site so close to land would be more likely to have debris found by ships/fishing boats/coastal citizens, etc. More importantly, wouldn't it have shown up on a primary radar somewhere, given that it would have flown over a large part of the country?


User currently offlineantskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85696 times:

Now the Vietnamese Govt has said they are suspending operations for now as they await clarity from the Malaysian Govt. Viet Nam deputy minister of transport Pham Quy TieuTieu is reported as asking for clarity twice but with no response. Further, to muddy the waters further, he says Vietnam told Malaysia on the very first loss of contact with the plane, that it had turned back West!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11218446


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17038 posts, RR: 66
Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85696 times:

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 6):

Sorry just came to my mind, what happens to a fly by wire airplane , like the B777, B787, A320-A380 if there is a total electrical failure? how controllable would it be?

I realize it is really absurd to think about a total electrical failure, but I wouldn't mind knowing for future reference.

In the case of 777, 320, 330-340 you end up in what is called manual reversion. Physical links from controls to a few select surfaces. In the case of the 777, you get some of the spoiler panels for roll and yaw control plus stabilizer trim for pitch control. Not good handling but better than no control at all.

Of course the issue is that without electrics you would have no instruments beyond the whiskey compass. At night over the ocean that makes having the flight controls somewhat moot since you have no way of orienting yourself.

If memory serves 380 has no manual reversion because they could pass certification without it. Basically they proved that the system was redundant enough to reduce the possibility of complete electric loss to a defined probability so low it didn't matter. No doubt a 380 is safer than a 727 anyway, and if you lose all electrics you're probably dead already.

I can't think of a single airliner that has suffered complete electrical failure.

Quoting bellancacf (Reply 8):

To what extent is a 777 able to fly entirely on its own? If someone set the autopilot (or some system) to hold an altitude and heading, would the plane then fly until its fuel ran out in the direction requested and at the height requested?

Yes.

[Edited 2014-03-11 20:57:04]

[Edited 2014-03-11 20:58:31]


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User currently offlineJOshu From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85360 times:

It's hard to sort through everything, but this might be new:

"Chinese state media has reported that vessels searching for the Malaysia Airlines plane have pulled floating debris from water. It is not confirmed that the debris is related to the missing flight."

Info received just past 11PM EST


User currently offlinedtfg From China, joined Jan 2013, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85344 times:

Quoting bellancacf (Reply 8):
To what extent is a 777 able to fly entirely on its own? If someone set the autopilot (or some system) to hold an altitude and heading, would the plane then fly until its fuel ran out in the direction requested and at the height requested?

Helios Airways Flight 522 pretty much flown itself for most of the journey since both the pilots lost consciousness soon after the plane took off, and it crashed until it run out of fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

Of course in that accident it was a 737, but I assume it would be the same for a 777

[Edited 2014-03-11 21:01:29]

User currently onlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85153 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20):
Of course the issue is that without electrics you would have no instruments beyond the whiskey compass. At night over the ocean that makes having the flight controls somewhat moot since you have no way of orienting yourself.

You know what heading you came out on. Wouldn't that be enough to use the compass to at least get you near KUL, which is well lit?


User currently offlineairplanedaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85202 times:

As mentioned in previous threads, there was an AD affecting 777's issued by the FAA regarding potential fuselage cracks near SATCOM antennas. Does anyone know for sure whether or not it applied to 9M-MRO? I only ask because there are two placements for SATCOM antennas, as discussed in earlier threads

User currently onlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85423 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20):
Of course the issue is that without electrics you would have no instruments beyond the whiskey compass. At night over the ocean that makes having the flight controls somewhat moot since you have no way of orienting yourself.

You know what heading you came out on. Wouldn't that be enough to use the compass to at least get you near KUL, which is well lit?


User currently onlinebellancacf From United States of America, joined May 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 85446 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20):
Quoting bellancacf (Reply 8):
To what extent is a 777 able to fly entirely on its own? If someone set the autopilot (or some system) to hold an altitude and heading, would the plane then fly until its fuel ran out in the direction requested and at the height requested?


Yes.

Thanks for the answer. BTW, I enjoy reading your posts.


25 Post contains images YokoTsuno : Yes, airplanes are like any other technical product. They can fail after one minute, 50 years of usage, or never, ever. You could propose an A.net ent
26 socalgeo : Thanks! I tend to agree with you, but amazingly, this is the single bit of evidence (admittedly weak) that has not been retracted, that I have been a
27 Mcoov : That still wouldn't explain the ginormous turn to the west MH370 took. The plot thickens with every passing hour.
28 Starlionblue : Heading would be the only thing you could hold. You have no electrics so no gyros, no servos and no displays. Thus, no artificial horizon, no altitud
29 jcxroberts : China won't stop until they resolve this. The public pressure is too high plus the government wants to know what happened.
30 Mark2fly1034 : You know 12,500 and 14,000 is not the rule for part 121 that would be 61. 121 I think is 10,000 and 12,000. It's different numbers the what 61 is.
31 Post contains links LTC8K6 : Yes, you would need some point of reference. Could you even see the lights on one of the coasts from IGARI at 35K feet? Anyway, here is the cockpit o
32 Post contains links DeltaAtl : ITS now being reported on FOX ( kelley files ) - 777- BA has had had a request or notice in for change to FBW computer / reporting systems for securit
33 flyenthu : Hard to imagine a scenario with catastrophic electrical failure without any prior electrical issue in 777, although your point is well taken. What is
34 Enobar : Can I just ask given how much discussion there has been Round ACARS and whether MH370 did/did not have it, and what level of subscription it had etc;
35 TheRedBaron : My gut tells me: Explosive decompression due to a failed cockpit window, failed electrical equipment and rapid descent from cruise, then th e other pi
36 Starlionblue : I think you probably could assuming clear skies. But this doesn't really help very much. At night everything becomes a bit muddled on the outside ref
37 Post contains links and images zeke : You need to be clear who has the responsibility here for SAR, where contact was lost it was in the Singapore SRR.
38 jetblueguy22 : On behalf of the moderators we apologize. It has been difficult to keep up. The amount of posts we've been getting on the subject is unprecedented. I
39 Post contains links DeltaAtl : Article from http://www.straitstimes.com "Alright, good night" were the last heard words from the missing Malaysian Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 - whic
40 YokoTsuno : Point taken, but still no guarantee that a flawless operation history totally excludes a sudden catastrophic failure. It's a bit like my wife who can
41 Post contains links DeltaAtl : China's satellites 'missed best chance' to find missing Malaysia Airlines flight http://m.scmp.com/news/china/article...ed-best-chance-find-missing-fl
42 timothy31388 : "Pressed repeatedly on what information the military had given authorities, he finally replied that "now is not the time" to reveal it." Hmm, that doe
43 Post contains images flyenthu : Your levity appreciated in these trying circumstances. Just hope a quick resolution to the search. I mean, for the families and friends of those on t
44 Starlionblue : Single cause widebody accidents where the pilots can do nothing are exceedingly rare. TWA800 and Turkish 981 are the only ones I can think of off-han
45 chrisrad : I still think there is more to this story than any of us know. The government know something that they are holding back, but why waste the resources
46 Starlionblue : It might just mean, "we are still analyzing and don't want to confuse things further". BTW please use the "Quote Selected Text" button when quoting.
47 lazybones : Failing to see the logic on this one. Almost all crashes are unique, its not just about the single failure its the chain of events. If there was a pr
48 GSP psgr : Also perhaps American 191?
49 Halophila : All is not being revealed, obviously for good reason. Because either the revelation of that information would compromise current ops, or that the gov
50 flyorski : That is what I think. They have an image on radar from that night, however they do not really know if it has anything to do with MH370 as the transpo
51 Starlionblue : Yes, thx! Forgot about that one. The famous pic gives me the willies every time I see it.
52 hoMsAr : Fact is, you can't find your iPhone anywhere in the world. It has to be within range of a cell tower (or wifi connection). This is much the same reas
53 Post contains links flyenthu : Just saw this on CNN. Quite an interesting take: http://us.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/a...der-explainer/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
54 phantomx18 : After reading thousands of posts (mostly with little to no new information), I tend to be leaning towards a "human" caused reason for the disappearanc
55 Enobar : Is this article from CNN accurate? Because if so, I refer to my original question which I asked about why ACARS doesn't transmit a GPS location. Starl
56 drew777 : Having lived in Malaysia for 3 years, I can not deny the incompetence of the Malaysian government. However, the amount of resources available to them
57 asetiadi : and when they do occur, they will find the debris easily. But not in this MH case. something more puzzling/weird/deliberate action occured.
58 davidzill : Too many post to read through, many mysteries indeed, the biggest not being able to find the wreckage. The most significant factor adding to the myste
59 Post contains links LTC8K6 : The transponder reports the altitude along with ID info. Radar gives bearing and range, transponder reports altitude and ID. http://en.wikipedia.org/
60 Post contains images mandala499 : This is becoming a mess. An official says A, media says "A said B". What's worse is that, media goes to C, and ask about A, and C would say, "Yea yea
61 JimJupiter : At this point, probably not even the military can say for sure, what the "right" geographical search area is. Please note that they started to search
62 asetiadi : I have a CCTV in my house than can be accessed wherever and whenever I want to through my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 device. All I need is just a working W
63 jetblueguy22 : From what I remember a pilot group was against it because they were worried the airlines would start watching them. The technology is available. My f
64 Post contains links kmot : I have found this in Tomnod... http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/4894 It looks the shape of a plane submerged in water.
65 Post contains links Finn350 : Malaysia had ACARS installed on all its aircraft. Source: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html (11th Media Statement, cannot be
66 rdu2sfo : I would just hasten to point out that the nefarious part of this quote ("to reveal it") is not quoted from the official but was added by the reporter
67 pvjin : I tend to agree, it's difficult to imagine a failure of any kind that would disable the transponder & communications, yet leaving the plane intac
68 Post contains images mandala499 : Asetiadi, Question: Who's going to pay for it? 1. The equipment isn't expensive if you already have satcom on the aircraft. If not, then you need to c
69 LTC8K6 : It also looks like a ship, a submarine, and a big ship with a small ship next to it, and several other things...
70 asetiadi : Where? I can't see it.... Well, a job is a job and if you don't do anything illegal, why you have to be afraid of? I don't mind someone recording me
71 Post contains images lightsaber : I'm not sure what to say after so many days of zero information. I thank the mods. The attention is high everywhere. At work it was the lunch conversa
72 spacecadet : Just answering your question, not saying I believe this is what's happening: Because if they didn't do a SAR, everybody would be wondering why they w
73 Post contains links Owleye : Why don't you make a screendrop and post the image? It's hard to get on that Tomnod. Btw A while ago Boeing has warned 777 owners which operate often
74 Post contains links LTC8K6 : I think this is it. http://i.cdn.turner.com/ireport/sm/p...percentMikeSeberger-3189824_p9.jpg
75 Post contains images haynflyer : I read this on another message board but did not see it discussed here: - What if there was a pressurization issue slowly reducing the amount of oxyge
76 Post contains links kmot : Here are ships... http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/3759 http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/641 This
77 LTC8K6 : What happened to the alarm for a pressurization problem?
78 Post contains links spacecadet : That's a boat with a smaller boat next to it. There are many such boats in these maps. I found one too: http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ture31
79 asetiadi : Hmm... never knew it's gonna be that expensive. Mine is free lol. Well other than paying my monthly internet subscription. Well at least Boeing or Ai
80 9VSIO : You answered your question in the opening statement. "All I need is..."
81 LTC8K6 : I said that in my post...#69[Edited 2014-03-11 23:23:29]
82 LTC8K6 : Darn old 772, every system on it seems to have failed at once.
83 Post contains links and images kmot : I have updated the map and put the red circle to the left of what I am describing. http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/4894
84 Post contains images mandala499 : Let's repeat this again... This AD/warning does not apply to this particular aircraft. I hope people don't complain if ticket prices increase to acco
85 asetiadi : what do you see? because I can't figure it out.
86 haynflyer : I am assuming that if they heard an alarm, they would have descended. It would appear either that it didn't go off or that the depressurization was s
87 Post contains links chrisrad : A good summary of Malaysia's bizarre response so far IS Malaysia laying a deliberate smokescreen? As the world waits for answers about missing Malaysi
88 asetiadi : Wow really? what is your company name? I have an idea of putting a live recording cam inside my car for my driver/kids.
89 Post contains images kmot : The arrows point to what appears to be the shape of an aircraft fuselage with wings and a portion of its tail. However I admit it is late and I could
90 jetblueguy22 : It isn't really about being illegal, it's about being spied on. I don't mind the cameras because they are only used in case of an accident. I don't l
91 LTC8K6 : Re tomnod, I don't see anything at all at map 4894.
92 kmot : I cannot remember, was there a debris trail with the 320 that landed in the Hudson? If it was a controlled landing and then it sank... it possible co
93 jetblueguy22 : Not to my knowledge. But he did it during the day. Your depth perception isn't as good at night, especially on the sea. If they were able to get it d
94 Enobar : I would have skimmed over that.. but I *can* make out the shape of a plane. Might be seeing what we "want" to see out of desperation (even though we
95 Post contains links GSP psgr : New Straits Times reports life raft found in waters near Port Dickson, just south of KL. There's even a photo of it. http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font
96 11Bravo : It seems pretty obvious that Malaysian authorities are rank amateurs. If I were the Malaysian authorities I would go looking for some professional he
97 hamiltondaniel : This is at least several hours after it would have gone into the water, so debris may have washed away. As for whether it IS a plane...it certainly l
98 kmot : Here in lies the problem. I can't tell where I have spotted it. And if they have in fact found a raft, then this is mute...
99 hamiltondaniel : Honestly, before reading the raft thing I was ready to say, "No way, it's just a compression glitch in the imagery..." But if there are rafts out the
100 Finn350 : The raft is most likely from a ship, not an aircraft. But we will learn shortly, as we have a good photograph of the raft.
101 giopan1975 : OK then it is all about money and who cares about locating 200+ missed people (dead or alive) in the first seconds of communication loss? Anyway, how
102 XFSUgimpLB41X : It does look like an airplane, but look at the scale and compare it to the object. Aft of the "wing" is longer than the 777-200 is in total length.
103 hamiltondaniel : Looking again I am back to thinking it's a compression artifact, but if not: The "line" of the aft portion is offset slightly from perpendicular to t
104 woodentom : Finding a raft sounds very positive but am amazed it has been found so close to KL. The currents maybe strong in the area. Also from reading the posts
105 Enobar : You think its from a ship? I think it looks like it says "Boeing" on that red sticker.. but then again if it did say Boeing, wouldn't you take a clea
106 gr325 : Well according to the text in the article it says Boarding.
107 Enobar : Oh, I skipped right over the headline... urgh. Does anyone have any knowledge of what kind of information is printed on the life rafts? I can't imagi
108 jetblueguy22 : Do the rafts actually say Boeing though? I would think Boeing wouldn't want to put their logo on it. Not exactly the best PR after a crash to see a b
109 Post contains links PhilV : Something from Vung Tau region again. http://twitpic.com/dy1qmm Thought it was ruled out.. Maybe fake?
110 rwessel : The standby instruments have their own battery, do they not? Certainly that's a standard feature on the standbys on smaller aircraft.
111 Post contains links hamiltondaniel : In grid 1594, so ~.5mi SE of the object or whatever discussed above in grid 4894, seems to be a slick of some kind. http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challen
112 rwessel : A certified raft would have a serial number, and the airline should know which serial number rafts are on which aircraft.
113 phantomx18 : From searching pictures on the internet, it appears that airplane life rafts do have the words "Boarding" on them to show survivors which side has th
114 Enobar : I am inclined to agree with you - It is probably not the worlds best PR to have your logo all over something like a life raft.. but on the other hand
115 Post contains links haynflyer : Here's a picture of a life raft. There is the word "Boarding" to indicate where to board. http://www.raftservice.com/aviation/eam-rafts-t-12.php Whil
116 Post contains images Coal : "However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard." Cheers Coal
117 Starlionblue : Because you don't expect to need ACARS to send a position. It is primarily a maintenance system. The AF447 thing was purely fortuitous in context. Yo
118 phantomx18 : Apparently fishermen were better equipped to hold on to that raft than SAR crew was. . .geez, this would make for great comedy if it wasn't such a tr
119 Post contains images Starlionblue : Question about Tomnod. I get the Tomnod logo and then a big blank grey-blue square. No controls or imagery. Any ideas? Hitting head on desk now. Must
120 Post contains links hamiltondaniel : http://www.rfd.co.nz/products/marine...-liferafts/dsb-lr07,-lr-97rsr.aspx These look closer to the raft in the photo (black and orange, rather than ye
121 laxboeingman : I am sorry, but I have been busy with school all day. I am sure I would have heard, though, but just in case I am going to ask: Did rescuers find anyt
122 Starlionblue : Zippo except maybe that raft.[Edited 2014-03-12 00:32:08]
123 hamiltondaniel : A raft, that promptly sank before they identified it. You can't make this up....
124 laxboeingman : OK, thank you and for all of your help in the previous threads as well. That is terrible and unbelievable. Didn't we have some things recovered from
125 laxboeingman : That is bizarre. How did they even know it was a raft and how does a life raft just sink, esp. one used on a long haul airliner.
126 Post contains links hamiltondaniel : Fishermen grabbed it, photographed it, and waited for SAR. SAR lost it somehow when they got there. SE of Kuala Lumpur, so way outside any of the sea
127 Post contains links Starlionblue : If this is the raft, then at least there are pics. http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...en-find-life-raft-near-pd-1.509222 Regarding sinking, the b
128 Post contains images Enobar : This is bound to be met with a fresh wave of cries of "coverup". How could the absolute muppets running the SAR operation allow what could be the fir
129 laxboeingman : So SAR let it get away? Even though it was far away from the search area, it could still be something because of how much time it has been drifting,
130 Starlionblue : My two favored speculative scenarios right now are as follows. - Catastrophic failure with pilots incapacitated and transponder down. Perhaps a electr
131 slinky09 : Has any information been released about the frequency of MH's ACARS communications or triggers for them? With AF447 they were very frequent, sometime
132 Post contains links PanAmPaul : Malaysian officials are contradicting one another. Now the Air Force is saying that the plane did not head over the Strait. Malaysian Air Force: Plane
133 Starlionblue : Only if the ACARS reports included position, and I don't think that is a given. You're also assuming that the plane flew for a bit after turning. And
134 tim73 : Strait of Malacca, about 70000 ships yearly, almost 200 per day. Half of world's shipping traffic. Most of those ship will sail further into South Chi
135 Post contains links gr325 : My colleague found this in Tomnod http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/221 Any thoughts?
136 Post contains links and images johnsonseattle : I spotted something that looks to me like a fuel or oil slick in the Tomnod imagery. Centered around map 11206, but extending a few maps to the left a
137 laxboeingman : Thank you to everyone who responded to my AF447 question. I can say that this is now 100% different than AF447 rather than 99%.
138 zeke : Most airliners that I am aware of, including the 777 have silver slide rafts, have a look at the SFO accident photos.
139 milestones787 : OK I have a very newbie kinda question that I might as well ask: With the importance that the transponder carries, why is it even able to be turned of
140 barney captain : It is turned off at the gate to prevent saturation of the airports ground surveillance radar.
141 Post contains links flyingturtle : As it is 9 AM here and I've got to work a lot, I don't have the time now to read most of thread #14 and all the posts of #15, but I'm happy to see act
142 Post contains links chrcaremanav : Hi! How are You? It is not easy time for Aviation Enthusiasts, that tragedy is confusing. Here is something to consider, maybe it is worth something o
143 Post contains links aerocabin : BBC World News reported that there is going to be another press conference at 4:30pm in Malaysia (so in around 12 minutes). The Telegraph has also rep
144 SQ452 : The problem with the contradicting information is there doesn't appear to be any "unified" press spokesperson; you have the transport minister, the di
145 Post contains images flood : The report itself looks legitimate, the question is what he actually saw. He estimated the object to be 50-70km... that's quite a distance. His rig l
146 Post contains links flyingturtle : http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1103537 There's also a page about this in the MH370 wiki, see http://mh370.wikia.com/wiki/Discussi...ject_%28ship%3F%2
147 Coal : Is the press conference happening? It's 4:30pm here in SE Asia but CNN is not airing anything. Cheers Coal
148 Starlionblue : This has been covered. Transponders need to have an off switch and a circuit breaker for a few reasons. 1. To prevent saturation at busy airports and
149 YokoTsuno : In the unthinkable event that the airplane will never be found, which jurisdiction/authority actually declares the passengers officially deceased?
150 iberiadc852 : I woke up this morning with this idea in my head, and I apology for the personal implications, but the issue of flying off course, at the height to b
151 Post contains links chrisrad : http://www.astroawani.com/videos/live Going live in a second it seems
152 garpd : Most airlines have a secondary, emergency code for the flight deck door lock to allow access in such a situation.
153 SQ452 : That looks eerily similar to a 777 fuselage. How to further relay these coordinates to rescuers? (assume this has already been done). If the plane di
154 Post contains images johnsonseattle : The two the things I had tagged as oil/gas slicks are highlighted in yellow. Nearby oil platform is highlighted in purple (map 13729) I can't figure
155 Post contains links Finn350 : The pilot in the cockpit can change the door security code, and I think that was done by the co-pilot of JetBlue Flight 191 to keep the erratically a
156 dc863 : Ditching at night with no moon and no outside lights would be nigh impossible.
157 flyingturtle : I can only answer for the Swiss laws, and you can hope that this regulation is similar across the world: In Switzerland, the last known place of resi
158 theaviator380 : Sky news did report there will be a press conference..so assuming it's going ahead. Cheers.
159 456 : Yeah, also on cnbc they are waiting and 'break in' the current program when the press conference is starting
160 janbrubel : Life raft confirmed NOT to be from MH370, says MMEA.
161 airbuster : The locked out pilot would try to regain acces by using a emergency acces code. A alert then goes off in the flight deck and the pilot in there has 3
162 Finn350 : If the plane had flown maximum time allowed by the remaining fuel, is there any chance it had reached dawn before ditching or crashing? If we assume
163 456 : Btw. I am wondering what they are gonna tell during the press conference. I am afraid that nothing news will be told: - not found yet - explanation of
164 slinky09 : Sky news reporter just quoted a source as saying "interesting" information will be shared ...
165 art : To me it is becoming increasingly likely that the aircraft will not be found if it came down in the sea. Affected by wind and currents, any debris fou
166 theaviator380 : I think those people still not sure exactly what time it disappeared. Feels like they all hitting darts in a dark, pitch dark. That 2 hour period fro
167 Starlionblue : Yes, it would have had fuel to fly until local morning. However if it was flying west of course morning comes later.
168 LH526 : Byond all chaos theorie, there are digital models calculating maritime currents, they are not 100% accurate but get quite close. If debris is being f
169 flyingturtle : Maybe it's time for a collaborative effort of all navies - to map the sea floor of major shipping/traffic routes using side-scan sonar. This might ve
170 345tas : That article distorts WSJ's reporting. Note the journalist did not use any quotation from the Air Chief's statement. In the statement he did not go a
171 Viper911 : There's always something with Vung Tau region (the pilot, the debris field and this letter now) and yes I know pilot and debris field were ruled out,
172 SQ452 : Yeah I hadn't thought about that. Fair point. Enough moonlight, maybe. but the chances are slim. Also, these reports surfacing about how a few years
173 YokoTsuno : Starting now
174 MD11Engineer : Yes he can lock the door from the inside. He can set the door control to "deny", which will electronically stop the door box from opening the door or
175 Starlionblue : You'd be surprised what people do for attention. Might be true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was bogus. Not at all. Many airlines still allow it
176 456 : Jep Started
177 tortugamon : I thought it would be interesting to note the number of statements about the search that have been contradicted a short while later -When the aircraft
178 Post contains links dtfg : Breaking: Body in life vest found in Malacca http://hen.chinadaily.com.cn/n/2014-03-12/NEWS13754.html The report said the body was found by rescue vol
179 na : Nothing new. I am surprised the search area (the two areas combined I mean) is not that big, just about the size of my German home state Hessen, somet
180 345tas : I note he's still not confirming or denying the detection of the aircraft flying back into the Straits.
181 456 : They are not saying anything... Just answering some chaotic shouted questions :/ I hope this is not how the search is going on...
182 EVAAIRBR076 : What is shamefull press confrence, just no news what so ever. The malaysian gouvernment really is a discrace how they handle this case. They just keep
183 SKAirbus : It's official... The Malaysians have not got a clue what they are doing. They are hiding information, the whole thing is just a chaotic mess. Time to
184 345tas : Seems that way. They're "still corroborating" the military radar signals. Still saying the turnback is a "possibility" and not a "definitive answer".
185 liquidair : i just cant imagine a single body floating in the busiest shipping area of the world, with no other sightings of anything. anymore details in press c
186 ZKCIF : Alright, imagine you are blond in the worst sense of this word. You love attention and suddenly a chance comes to get a TWO-BILLION+ audience. Just t
187 chrisrad : Didn't he say Penang?
188 na : The general just said they are not sure if the signals referred are from MH370. Why are they so slow to find that out? Honestly, the Malaysians show a
189 Coal : So basically nothing new, other than India, Japan, and Brunei have come forward to help in the search, and still no 100% confirmation that it was spot
190 s5daw : So... the ATC lost radar contact at 1.31am, but military got _something_ at 02:15, 200miles northwest of Penang, at they have no clue what it was. Kin
191 EVAAIRBR076 : ohwww and that *ucking smile on that face of the leader of the press conference, such a shame. they have no idea whats going on. And they have to chec
192 456 : They are continuesly saying how difficult it is to coordinate this operation with so many countries but is that true. I mean, are NAVO or UN tests (no
193 SpaceshipDC10 : And while they seem to not know anything and have nothing to say, there are people suffering from the loss of loved ones that are left in the dark voi
194 456 : Indeed. That last remark he made to a female journalist who was saying: your statements are changing. And he said: that is not true, that is your opi
195 chrisrad : This was what I heard
196 345tas : That was bad. Surely they would have gone through the maintenance records with a tooth and comb.
197 456 : Forget all scenarios, all conspiracies, all 'what ifs'... I have not seen the following scenario which pops up in mind after seen the press conference
198 s5daw : IMO it's sick to still call it SAR. They should have declared the plane crashed by missing by now. Why is it so hard to say: we don't know what happe
199 cougar15 : Guys, correct me if I am wrong, but the 777 Liferafts are it´s emergency exit slides that double up as liferafts , which are grey ! the pictures sho
200 345tas : Actually I don't think it is such a balls-up on behalf of SAR. The military radar saw the plane take a turn just before loss of contact. Then military
201 EVAAIRBR076 : They cant handle those western journalist haha their questions are to confronting and make them look like fools on that stage.
202 gosimeon : I hate to say it but the authorities in charge of this SAR mission seem to be inept. They are contradicting eachother and seem at a loss as to what to
203 BestWestern : Many airlines in China allow smoking over 15k f within their SOP, so nothing strange in this.
204 nupogodi : Sovereignty issues aside, China or the US needs to take over to lead the investigation. This is just absurd. Another day passes with nothing but publi
205 SKAirbus : It's complete arrogance on the part of the Malaysian government and military I say. They call themselves a democracy but they are far from that. The e
206 slinky09 : So, nothing interesting or new, albeit confirmation that the military did pick up an unidentified aircraft (what was it, 200m NW of Penang) but they c
207 larshjort : In Denmark it is the court who can declare a person to be dead. It only happens if somebody seeks to get a person declared dead. There is a period of
208 specks159 : Knowing what we do now, I do agree with their reasons for searching in both areas. What is wish is that they had been more transparent will all of th
209 Coal : The guy in the green uniform is a disaster. He said that any slight possibility of the plane being in the Malacca Straits prompted them to go and sear
210 MillwallSean : I know that most high positions in malaysia never have anything to do with the running of companies, that well connected malays get fancy jobs and tit
211 theaviator380 : I would like India and Japan to take part in investigation, there were 5 Indians onboard anyway..so why they waiting for?
212 buckfifty : I'm imagining that the Malaysians are grappling with a very serious issue with their air defence mechanism, or rather the lack of it. They know to loo
213 Starlionblue : While I agree things are a bit chaotic, I don't see anything to clearly indicate there is information being hidden. Mostly it just seems there are too
214 dean : I don't want to defend the Malaysian authorities, however we can't just blame them without knowing what's really the case. I know it's easy to give ou
215 gr325 : I think India is joing the SAR.
216 theaviator380 : 1. Lack of modern resources 2. Lack of expertise 3. Language barrier Three key points why Malaysian officials are having no clue. If they have little
217 slinky09 : I quite agree - it is most frustrating to witness how badly they are managing. But we do, in the case of AF447 there were daily and very transparent
218 qantas077 : that's what a one party system for the last 50 years gets you..the chap fronting the media is actually the PM's cousin.
219 liquidair : exactly. People need to get a grip.
220 s5daw : In other words, never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity.
221 anshuk : I'm surprised they haven't already. They have significant resources in the Andaman Sea and a Naval Base at Port Blair. Btw, do you have a source for
222 Post contains links liquidair : the guardian has confirmed India have joined SAR. http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...n-confusion-over-planes-final-path[Edited 2014-03-12 03:34:2
223 theaviator380 : Yes, keen to know source..have you got any by any chance? Thanks.
224 RickNRoll : Pretty certain I saw a Pareidolia.
225 qantas077 : oddly enough, this is the rough vicinity that CX crew reported seeing wreckage..but Malaysian officials didn't offer to search because the plane was
226 davs5032 : They stated during the conference that India, Japan, and Brunei are joining the investigation.
227 windshear : It is not possible for the 777 to go off course so much that it would not have been found on the flightroute across the ocean... The pilots would have
228 sejtam : I am quite appalled how so many armchair critics here (and elsewhere) have nothing better to do that criticise the authorities for not having leadersh
229 Post contains links PanAmPaul : Just to add to the tension, Malaysia is warning of a long wait for answers: Malaysian Transport Minister: Expect ‘Long, Drawn Out’ Wait for Answer
230 Post contains links anshuk : Found another source: http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...t/article5776093.ece?homepage=true India has indeed joined the search. Quote: "India has
231 SQ452 : Yeah you are probably right. If the two blonde girls are making stuff up then shame on them for taking advantage and profiting off of this tragedy. I
232 Starlionblue : Different culture, and much more experience with the international press. And a completely different attitude towards being prepared and having proce
233 CYCLOPZ : From Reddit, via Twitter https://twitter.com/brigadierslog/status/443681521002496000 Alleged witness sighting of MH370 crashing into the sea from an o
234 Post contains images Speedbird128 : 5 days later?
235 345tas : Surely this is a responsible course of action. The alternative being "yeah we saw this stuff on radar but it's probs not MH370 so we won't bother sea
236 Coal : That's my point (I know everything about face, I've been living in East Asia for eight years). What I am trying to illustrate is that they really hav
237 PhilV : Posted it a while ago. But it is still interesting. If nobody knows if MH370 really turned and crossed the peninsula, I take the last known heading f
238 art : Losing loved ones is extremely distressing but everyone is in the dark. There is nothing that anyone can do to confirm what happened to the people on
239 David L : Correct and that's all I've heard them say. The "extra" details came via the press. I'm annoyed at myself for falling for it. Agreed. Any other inter
240 SKAirbus : That eye witness report from the oil rig looks like it could be plausible. Why aren't we hearing more about it?? It seems to be in a similar location
241 Pihero : Sad to see the quality of this - these - thread (s) go down this low. As a matter of fact, as low as the *reporting* of the general media and lots low
242 theaviator380 : I heard Vietnam suspending SAR just now... Officials should trust eyewitness from oil rig, there is no harm looking around that area.
243 wjcandee : Kindly read the admonsihments at the beginning of the thread.
244 DTW2HYD : Well said. News outlets are running out of theories because this event doesn't fit into any previous ones pundits can relate to, so they have to dig
245 JimJupiter : Wasn't that report quickly refuted by Vietnamese (?) authorities?
246 Starlionblue : One of the basic rules of aviation: If a piece of equipment is on the plane, it can and will break.
247 aw70 : As someone with a bit of a military background let me say one thing with regard to the attitude of the Malaysian authorities: namely, that the whole i
248 Post contains links PhilV : From the straitstimes.com: http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-...ane-alright-good-night-were-last-h Maybe before changing the frequency to Ho Chi Mi
249 dirktraveller : The lack of information or explanation given for the past five days did refer to two possibilities, first is that something is being hidden and second
250 p201055r : There has been much criticism of the Malaysian authorities and their handling of both the SAR Op and the press/public information. Move away from the
251 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to length this thread will be locked. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Please feel free to co
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