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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 112466 times:
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MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinetheaviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 112177 times:

Thanks to Mods for doing wonderful job here...Cheers.

User currently offlinemadmouse From Netherlands, joined Sep 2013, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 112336 times:
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Saw this in Facebook about the Malaysia Airlines .

If allready posted feel free to delete It

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=498377323600299&set=p.498377323600299&type=1&theater


User currently offlinegiopan1975 From Greece, joined Jun 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 112368 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 243):
"The obvious reason why the airplane hasn't been found - yet - is a track change. How drastic and how far is the biggest question we could ask."

The farthest they drifted off course without mayday, the less possible the initial event was devastating (as in explosion). But they couldnt have gone so far (more than 5+ minutes into emergency) without notifying of an emergency. Then again no sign of debris close to point where communication was lost.

The more days without debris findings, the less possible the initial event was devastating.

Either people looking for the plane are useless or blind, or the plane was taken over by passengers or crew for some mysterious reason.


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 111857 times:

Quoting madmouse (Reply 2):

Saw this in Facebook about the Malaysia Airlines .

If allready posted feel free to delete It

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=498377323600299&set=p.498377323600299&type=1&theater

I did see this posted earlier, but I feel it is worth re-emphasising. It strikes me as the most credible report about this disappearance from any source.

I understand that the location described meshes with the reported sightings of a possible debris field by Cathay pilots, who should also be considered as reliable witnesses in this matter.

Let's hope that it will be followed through if it has not already.


User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 111843 times:

Quoting madmouse (Reply 2):

So what's the deal with this email? Has it been validated by the authorities?

Has anyone plugged those GPS co-ords into Google earth ? Where does it take us?



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User currently onlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 111902 times:

Based purely on the eye-witness report from the oil rig, if the aircraft was a ball of fire, it indicates a pretty catastrophic event that kept the airframe relatively in tact. It would explain why it disappeared from the primary radar as communication systems got knocked out.

They really need to send a lot of SAR resource to that area.... There aren't many leads, so when you get something like this they should be jumping on it. Do you think they have flown out to the rig and interviewed the guy?



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User currently onlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 111824 times:

This post was about the last in the previous thread, so let me repeat it here with an addition:

Who controls the ATC in Malaysia - the military or a civilian government agency ?

If the military, then it is no wonder their spokespersons are so defensive and acting confused, the top leaders are likely no matter what of losing their jobs or forced into retirement, in a place where being in the military means financial security and allows to have great power. If the Government, it may mean a turn in party control, so many current leaders lose their jobs and lose the financial security and power they provide. This event may bring out huge revelations of corruption and incompetence of both the military and government triggering major changes in key appointed and elected positions.

There is also the ugly possibility of a terror act by some group or nut individual even someone in the cockpit that went rogue.

We need a international well coordinated search to be done, one that has to bring together countries to ignore their issues among them, for example China and the USA, who have important interests (China with their citizens the majority of the pax on board, the flight going to their country, the USA as the a/c was made in the USA). In the end it will take a coordinated effort to search, verify possible evidence and to hopefully find the answers we need to prevent another disaster like this.


User currently offlineSeJoWa From United States of America, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 110861 times:

Quoting madmouse (Reply 2):

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=498377323600299&set=p.498377323600299&type=1&theater

08 22 30.23 N 108 42 22.26 E

https://www.google.com/maps/place/8%C2%B022'30.2%22N+108%C2%B042'22.3%22E/@8.6276892,112.4058292,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

http://goo.gl/5vLF5S

[Edited 2014-03-12 04:49:13]

User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 110565 times:

Copied from part 15


Quoting aw70 (Reply 249):
If you can potentially fly something the size of a T7 across the entire bloody country, and four days later they are still not sure whether that actually happened - in plain language that means your entire military airspace surveillance is worth precisely nothing.


I have been wondering how a large aircraft on an unexpected flight path towards Malaysia could not have set off alarm bells for the MAF. It seems to me quite possible that the lack of a response to an unidentified aircraft heading towards or reaching then overflying Malaysia has caused those who fell down on the job to suppress all information associated with this failing - in other words, that the MAF decided to keep quiet about this embarrassing lapse. It would be very diificult to own up now, wouldn't it?

I'm not saying that this is what happened, only that if if did, it could have led to the search being conducted in the wrong areas.

[Edited 2014-03-12 05:03:50]

User currently offlinePhilV From Germany, joined Feb 2009, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 110323 times:

Quoting madmouse (Reply 2):
Saw this in Facebook about the Malaysia Airlines .

[quote=SeJoWa,reply=8]08 22 30.23 N 108 42 22.26 E

We could repeat everything form the last thread15. So we will come to part 20 soon.

Please... Come on.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 110183 times:

Quoting SeJoWa (Reply 8):
08 22 30.23 N 108 42 22.26 E

Using spherical trig, I worked out 8:22.4693N 108:4.0868E using the 270 bearing and 70 km from the position on a WGS84 spheroid.



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User currently offlinetheaviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 109885 times:

Quoting PhilV (Reply 10):

Unlike you not everyone taking part in this discussion since initial thread hence some repeat information being traded.

By the way looking at map, does look realistic area for SAR.

[Edited 2014-03-12 04:58:53]

[Edited 2014-03-12 05:00:50]

User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 109622 times:

Quoting aw70 from previous thread: "If you can potentially fly something the size of a T7 across the entire bloody country, and four days later they are still not sure whether that actually happened - in plain language that means your entire military airspace surveillance is worth precisely nothing. Total garbage."

Amen, my man, amen. I'm so surprised at some people here saying we shouldn't judge the Malaysian authorities because we don't have better solutions ourselves? We don't have the data! They do -- or, SHOULD.

Vietnam pulling out most of their SAR resources and basically saying, "We can't get a line out to these guys, we don't even know what they know" while Vietnam has been extremely forthcoming about every single potential lead they had tells a lot.

The sooner the NTSB starts looking into those radar logs the better. Didn't the US have a warship in the region? There are also classified space-based assets at play, what did they track? The triple-seven reflects radar nicely, but who knows if there were radar sats watching the area (and we will likely never know).



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User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 109094 times:

I want to know why Mandala doesn't buy them flying back over Malaysia.

with regards to the eyewitness report from the oil rig, I'd be amazed if you could spot a fire going out at 70km away. Even if the fire going out was point of impact, Jet A is volatile enough to keep burning. And there would be massive amounts of smoke, debris and other flights would have seen this in such clear skies.

Pihero, you talk about the redundancy of the electrical circuits... Are you hinting you think one of the pilots wanted a little joy ride and screwed up? Hence switching the transponder?

would certainly fit in with Mandala's main preoccupation with the FO... If something went wrong, they could have gone miles off course... To an area where there is less radar coverage.... Borneo maybe? Speculation again.... I fear you're right. We know nothing.


User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 109114 times:

After following this event on major media outlets (BBC, CBC, CNN) since its inception, and reading hundreds upon hundreds of posts in this forum, I am forced to one of the following conclusions:

1) The Malaysian authorities are deliberately hiding something very bad; something that would be horridly shocking to the rest of the world; or
2) The Malaysian authorities are kindergarten-level inept.

I personally lean toward the latter.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 108843 times:

I saw part of the last press conference from authorities.... it is really heartbreaking to see that essentially they don't have a clue about the whereabouts of the aircraft and the souls on board....this event is really amazing.

Let's hope the weather remains good enough in the área to keep the search teams working.... although I have the feeling that if we cross some timelines, part of the countries that are currently helping with resources will abandon the efforts making the things even worst....

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineNav20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 108550 times:

Quoting art (Reply 9):
I'm not saying that this is what happened, only that if if did, it could have led to the search being conducted in the wrong areas.

Agree, art. Came across this this afternoon. Given that the aircraft's intended course was north-east, towards mainland China, I can't for the life of me work out why the authorities would divert any resources at all to searching an area to the west-north-west, over the Malacca Strait?

Unless, of course, they suspect some sort of hijack?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-1...lane-malaysia-airlines-map/5314858



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 108595 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 11):
Using spherical trig, I worked out 8:22.4693N 108:4.0868E using the 270 bearing and 70 km from the position on a WGS84 spheroid.

Only problem is the CX pilot sighted debris at 9.72N 107.42E, according to avherald, and the current and wind in the email are in the opposite direction towards the south.

PA515


User currently offlinePiedFly From Finland, joined Jan 2014, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 108435 times:

I thought the media questions in that press conference were generally quite poor; they were either too easy to be dismissed, or were poorly phrased so that the panel could proceed by repeating some information.

Given the 'inexperienced' nature of the panel facing questions, some well thought out and constructed questions could've gleaned extra info. Of course, perhaps the right reporters were not indicated to ask as they already have reputations for pertinent questions.


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4672 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 107877 times:
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I guess I need to make myself clear : I am not against speculations, however far-fetched they could be. I am just apalled by the lack of knowledge from aviation people.
And more than anything, I am against disparaging any country just because it doesn't belong to the western hemisphere.

With the pitiful amount of facts at our disposal, there is THE big question :

Why didn't the crew manage to contact one ATC about a seriouis problem ? ... and a corollary :

Why did ATC lose the flight's transponder ?
At IGARI, both K L and HCM were in radar coverage of the airway... yet both couldn't have a response from MH370's squawk.
There are not so many possibile occurrencies that answer these questions in a logical manner :
- One is a takeover from one of the flight deck crew members...
- Another is a fire in the electronic bay (s) of the airplane
... ... ... ... ... ...
As someone who studied aircraft systems, IFE in particular is one of the most vulnerable systems in an airliner...
BUt I'm speculating as much as most of us here...



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 107784 times:

Does anyone have a link to a recording of the presser? I woke up right as it was winding down.


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User currently onlineaw70 From Austria, joined Mar 2014, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 107110 times:

Quoting art (Reply 9):
I have been wondering how a large aircraft on an unexpected flight path towards Malaysia could not have set off alarm bells for the MAF.

Exactly this. And "setting off the alarm bells" would not necessarily mean that interceptors are sent up to investigate. In peacetime, few countries maintain fighters on 24/7 QRA. No idea whether the MAF has any planes on QRA at night, but given that the entire area is reasonably peaceful, and given that their resources are not overwhelmingly large, I would assume they do not.

However, military airspace surveillance should never sleep. Ever. And they have to know what is going on in their airspace. At all times. No excuses. If such surveillance is done competently, one of the most obvious things to set off all alarm bells within reach would be a significant radar contact that does not correlate with any ATC data. And few things would generate a stronger radar return than a T7, even with all transponders and such firmly off.


User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 106519 times:

Officials investigating the disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER are tight-lipped about Aircraft Communications and Reporting System (ACARS) data reported by the aircraft.

Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation is examining ACARS data from the missing aircraft, but senior DCA officials declined to comment on their findings, if any. They also declined to say when ACARS data from flight MH370 will be released – or even if it will be.

In response to a question posed by Flightglobal about the aircraft’s ACARS data, one of the officials cited the “sensitivity of the investigations.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-mh370-acars-transmissions-396857/

I get the impression that (a) things are being done too slowly (b) the authority does not welcome its work being scrutinised


User currently offlinepolnebmit From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 107267 times:

I have to ask this question again or rephrase it since it doesn't seem that it was answered. Is there any information as to why it seems that 9M-MRO was grounded in KUL for an extended period of time after it came from HKG? According to FR24, 9M-MRO flew in from PEK hours earlier as MH371 before turning around as incident flight MH370, but interestingly flight MH370 to PEK using 9M-MRO had been cancelled the day before which makes it impossible to have it come in from PEK if it never got there in first place. If the cancelation is true, this means that 9M-MRO sat in KUL for an entire day between the incoming flight from HKG and before the incident flight since it never went to PEK the day before. Again, if this is true, what was the reason? Why was flight MH370 grounded the day before the incident flight? Mechanincal issues?

[Edited 2014-03-12 05:22:24]

25 Starlionblue : I dunno. At night over the ocean, you can see aircraft lights a long way. A fire would be more visible. Possibility 3) They aren't really that bad at
26 Trin : I agree with you totally - and there is a third possibility: 3) Malaysian authorities have NOTHING to go on, can't figure out why, and are embarrasse
27 DTW2HYD : Same is true for 150+ other countries on earth. Most countries don't have a need to build up their air defenses. Malaysia is a tiny peaceful country
28 giopan1975 : Maybe it has been already been answered but Why arent they searching over mainland Malaysia? Maybe some villager in some remote jungle area saw someth
29 Tobias2702 : Strange this doesn't seem to have been discussed here before (at least I can't remember). But according to flightstats.com, on Friday, 7 March, fligh
30 theaviator380 : If I am not wrong, MAS CEO said they don't yet...When plane crashes first thing I would assume they would do is to check maintenance record and histo
31 us330 : This is more of a technical set of questions than anything else, directed towards those with experience with radar and knowing how these systems work.
32 thunderboltdrgn : I think perhaps with the amount of air traffic going across the peninsula a wreckage would have been spotted already?
33 JHwk : From the sound of previous reports, they only get engine data on 30-minute intervals. There was one report at takeoff, and a second report at climb t
34 COEWR787 : Does ARINC have access to the ACARS data in addition to the airline in question? This is not a rhetorical question. I don;t know the details of how AC
35 rj777 : I have a feeling that if the plane isn't found soon, the families might get so fed up with Malaysian that they'll sue them for the info that we all su
36 mpsrent : Realizing that its easy to be a keyboard critic, I admit that I don't have the expertise to judge the credibility of the Malaysian authorities. I do h
37 SEPilot : My impression is that this is the most likely. While I have yet to see any government agency in any country not have its share (or more than its shar
38 Gonzalo : The fire in the electronic bay should be the less probable of the two IMHO. This 777 was manufactured some years after the Swiss 111 crash, and the c
39 David L : Then you have a lot of catching up to do. They haven't said they're certain of anything like that.
40 Post contains images YokoTsuno : After working myself through two dozen, rather uneducated posts, on the Malaysian press conference, finally somebody with a correct understanding of
41 nupogodi : Agh, friend, it is not about disparaging the country or its people, just its government and their handling of the case. I think I speak for everyone
42 art : The idea of a press conference is to pass information to the press, so why do they not say how many packets of data were sent by the ACARS system and
43 cptkrell : CBS This Morning TV news show will be interviewing CPT Sully Sullinberger shortly. They have announced that he will be discussing missing 777. If USAe
44 Post contains links PhilV : I came across this on a 777. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/...2_2007__boeing_777_222__n786ua.cfm This event happening during cruise would be...
45 travelhound : I have done a quick overlay of the current search areas against the co-ordinates in the email and this area is currently not being searched? Who cont
46 Nav20 : Meaning what, David-L? That I'm wrong, or that the Indonesian aviation authorities are way short of being 100% competent in many areas?
47 Bongodog1964 : The Malaysian Airforce has at best 36 interceptor aircraft, its likely that on any one day day they would be able to deploy less than half of them. M
48 thunderboltdrgn : Well I would think that they still would have been able to send out a mayday or change the Squawk code or something like that,.
49 TheRedBaron : We live in a world where technology is king and everyone believes to be being watched 24/7, in some way its still great that we as a human race still
50 Shanwick1011Z : Back to simplicity. Of the trillions and trillions of words printed on this incident has it yet been printed in the public domain whether this aircraf
51 TreeHillRavens : 9M-MRO operated flight MH73 from HKG back to KUL before it operated as flight MH370 from KUL to PEK about 6 hours 26 minutes later. MH371 on March 8t
52 BaconButty : What info are they supposed to be hiding? Do you think they know where the aircraft came down but are keeping it a secret? I don't have any reason to
53 Post contains images David L : No. Meaning the reason for extending the search to the Malacca Strait (no mention of "diverting resources") has been explained and discussed for a co
54 LTC8K6 : IIRC, they do have some radar data indicating a heading change before the disappearance. A left turn. The search over towards the Malacca Straights w
55 Post contains links JimJupiter : Quoting the Guardian: "An official gave the position of the last radar signal at 2.15am as 200 miles north west of the mainland. But he said this nee
56 PhilV : I would assume that as well.. But, lack of situational awareness... who knows.
57 PA515 : The 'cancelled' annotation for the 06 Mar on the 9M-MRO flightradar24 summary is an error. If you replay from 1650 UTC on 06 Mar you get 9M-MRO doing
58 Post contains images David L : Something that many are still failing to realise.
59 BoeingVista : Yup, I noticed this when I looked up 9M-MRO the day after the accident, I assumed that it was bad data or it was ferried back empty (which should hav
60 lnglive1011yyz : Why would they start now? They haven't shown ANY discretion at all IMHO through out this entire thing. I agree with your statement though, discretion
61 Post contains links breiz : China is reported to divert 10 high-resolution satellites to scan the area: http://www.todayonline.com/world/asi...deploys-10-satellites-search-mh370
62 Gonzalo : Yes but N786UA ( the 777 involved in that incident ) was delivered in 1997, well before Swiss 111. Probably they used MPET in that aircraft and I'm n
63 na : To judge how big the combined search areas are: 27.000 square miles/70.000 square kms are roughly the size of the German state of Bavaria or the US st
64 anatolialevant : Hi! I've been reading A.Net for a long time, but for this moment, I am intrigued to talk my own speculation (I know, it's tiring to see another specul
65 Post contains links katekebo : Found this on NHK: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20140312_26.html This is the interesting part: Here is my 100% speculative addition to
66 LTC8K6 : IOW, that probably was not 9M-MRO...
67 passenger8170 : New member to airliners.net. I've had an interest in plane crashes for many years now and have loved the discussion so far despite it being under the
68 dtfg : You know, the news is more than likely to serve for propaganda purposes. The Gov wants to convince the public that they are doing whatever they can t
69 captainx : A couple of questions: 1. If it had so much fuel wouldn't it make sense to project out the flightpath to see when it ran out of fuel - Indian Ocean? 2
70 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : I don't know, but I don't think the weather satellites have the "zoom" needed for that. Here are some example of weather satellites: http://www.smhi.
71 boacvc10 : Has Thailand reported on SAR activities / reports in the Malaysia/Thailand border region? If the aircraft did cross the peninsula then it could have (
72 BackSeater : What is the likelihood of 3 possible scenarios in this agonizing saga? 1) the airplane suffers a catastrophic system failure while near its last ADS-B
73 mandala499 : From the previous thread: What kind of system do you want? Streaming blackboxes through satcom? I asked a question that the advocators of this has so
74 Mark2fly1034 : When they might of crossed back over flying westbound were the caught on primary radar or the military radar. AFAIK Military radar does not give altit
75 gobeyond : Hi, Longtime lurker... What if: Both GPS units were disables. (1/2 and 3). Plane was on autopilot at FL350. No emergency was perceived. The plane foll
76 katekebo : Moreover, from what I have read it was an HF OTH military radar. It has long range, but it uses signals that bounce of the ionosphere. It is inherent
77 windshear : "After engines start, about the time the engine driven Integrated Drive Generators (IDGs) would normally come on-line" This happened at ground idle e
78 md80fanatic : Perhaps what we all understand today to be science fiction has become science fact without the general public being told? It's 2014 and there is more
79 Post contains images mandala499 : They would notice and the integrity monitor would show a degrading ANP... They could also fly on IRS only and not GPS in such a situation (fly in sta
80 Post contains images JimJupiter : How can we know it's a fact if we know that we don't know?
81 breiz : You are most probably right. Thanks for taking the time to find the links.
82 Starlionblue : You don't need GPS to get speed or altitude data. In fact the flight instruments only use GPS speed and wind speed really. The speed data comes from
83 DTW2HYD : Glad you said that. China do have several imaging satellites and if they have high-res images from the area they can definitely use those. But terms
84 Post contains links hivue : I don't think so. See this from the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...nded-into-andaman-sea-live-updates (posted above as well)
85 maxpower1954 : The 777 or any modern aircraft doesn't need GPS to navigate. If the GPS was disabled, the Inertial Reference Systems (IRS) would continue to navigate
86 branoco : Hello there, I am not actually new on A.net, just wasn’t posting around, did read a lot of comments from this 16 threads about MH370 flight. I have
87 Post contains links liquidair : thank you for your reply. that makes a little bit more sense now with regards to the unlikely situation with regards to a 777 performing a covert fli
88 Pellegrine : I didn't want to say this at first. But these Malaysians are fools, absolute fools! They are sending out mixed signals and confusion and frustration.
89 Gonzalo : Many people here with theories where this or that instrument fails "and the crew didn't notice", "they weren't paying attention"... modern jets are no
90 Starlionblue : Pressurization is the same in the entire pressure vessel. You can't separate the cockpit. Anyway there'd be alarms if the cabin altitude climbed to d
91 anatolialevant : How about actually over occupied with those warning, alarms, and screens? Or focusing too much on few warnings or alarms? (something like AF 447 or T
92 Pygmalion : the cockpit doors will take large caliber pistol rounds without breaching and an axe would still take you a fair number of minutes to breach the door
93 captainx : Does anyone know if the 777 cockpit oxygen masks have microphone/earphones built-in, and would ATC be able to determine that you are indeed wearing on
94 JimJupiter : Well, they're also guessing but won't make it sound like that on their press conferences. By now they have told us that there was some radar data (al
95 Gonzalo : The problem with that scenario is ( as AF447 demonstrated ), we should have a good number of ACARS messages telling at least a good part of the failu
96 BaconButty : The Guardian report confirms what I said: Edit - JimJupiter beat me to it with a better explanation[Edited 2014-03-12 07:44:12]
97 rebr : In the very unlikely event the aircraft has somehow managed to land somewhere, how long would it theoretically be possible to survive? I suppose they
98 klmtom : Has anyone questioned the amount of hours that the Captain and Co-pilot had done prior to the flight? Maybe fatigue to the pilots played a major role
99 billreid : I think the scariest scenario is they just find nil after months of looking. At some point between now and the end of March further searching could be
100 Post contains links JimJupiter : Or maybe not.... http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...a-airlines-plane-after-temporary-s
101 Gonzalo : AFAIK all the modern airliners have the feature of oxygen masks with communication devices. And in the case of the crew talking with any ATC while we
102 thunderboltdrgn : It depends on where the have landed, what condition the survivors are in, are there any freshwater available? Any larger quantities of fruit/berries?
103 anatolialevant : Can see that as well as a cause, I think, especially since this is a midnight flight.
104 mandala499 : Blame the media for that. The Malaysian government never confirmed the straits of Malacca. However, the media kerfuffle made Vietnam think exactly wh
105 branoco : I hope I did the "quotes" well and it will work Yes , I do know this, but once the PIC/FO did know, they are "out of air" he just wear the mask, as he
106 Post contains links KarelXWB : A cracking and corrosion problem on Boeing 777s that could lead to the mid-air break-up of the aircraft prompted a warning from air safety regulators
107 pvjin : Depends from where they landed. If it was some tiny island in middle of nothing then probably not too long depending from amount of survivors. But if
108 hivue : From the Guardian article: "It caused Vietnamese deputy minister of transport Pham Quy Tieu to announce on Wednesday morning a temporary suspension o
109 garpd : Coincidence, as an in flight break up would produce an enormous and obvious debris field many square miles across.
110 United787 : I assume (but I don't know for certain), that they followed the blip from the direction of where the transponders stopped working. But do we know the
111 rfields5421 : If an airborne fire was observed at a long distance, and the aircraft fell to the sea - the fire could fall below the observable horizon. While I'm s
112 Post contains links art : According to Aviationweek.com: Malaysia Airlines has now confirmed that its missing Boeing 777-200ER operating flight MH370 did not send out a distres
113 dirktraveller : Hi mandala! Thanks again in putting more information to my post. Well I was referring to the way media and information being handled, not exactly abo
114 mandala499 : I may have said it before but... This warning does not apply to 9M-MRO. The warning applies to 777s equipped with Inmarsat High Gain Antenna (and of
115 Mir : Normally the ACARS would not report anything if nothing was going wrong. Nothing being reported would tend to support the idea that whatever happened
116 nm2582 : If I were in charge of searching for Vietnam or any of the other countries in the area, I think I would stop searching long before "months" have been
117 SKAirbus : With such a small amount of information, at this stage I am inclined to believe the eye witness report from the New Zealand man on the oil rig. He sa
118 nupogodi : Resolution of OTH doesn't matter, even if they can get a return with a 50km resolution that would find them quickly. It is far better than that, thou
119 BackSeater : Regarding possible scenarios I know all that, thank you. Did I say they broke the door ot gunned it down? Does MH use keys or combination locks? Is th
120 tim73 : I don't see what else they could do search&rescuewise. Almost 40 planes and 40 ships looking areas obviously outside primary radar coverage. The w
121 Post contains links pvjin : http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...en-find-life-raft-near-pd-1.509222 Could this be any related? "PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life
122 Post contains images mandala499 : The "last suspected blip" was at FL295 at 200NM NW of PEN... but they could not confirm this was MH370, and neither could they confirm if any unident
123 hivue : Instantaneously it sounds like.
124 Owleye : Does the Malaysian Air Force operate with drones?
125 nupogodi : 3-5 days without water. 3-8 weeks without food, depending.
126 cougar15 : yes, it is one pullout (complete) unit with ´all goddies attached´ that it on either side of the cockpit and jumpseats,
127 rcair1 : Well stated. Really? That is a huge area to find a small object. Also - most of this is water - so most of the object would sink. While I find it per
128 JimJupiter : Has been discussed somewhere above - it's unrelated to the 777.
129 hnl2bos : I'll have to say I highy doubt the Vietnamese SAR effort would soley rely on media reports and not info directly from the Malaysian SAR efforts/
130 art : Thanks for that. As I see it, an absence of ACARS data being transmitted is not abnormal. Just inconvenient if one is trying to establish a last know
131 hivue : Could it also indicate that nothing happened (that ACARS thought was worth reporting)?
132 garpd : Do we know if the authorities involved are heeding this man's account and scouring the area he states the plane went down? Or are they ignoring it?
133 SQ452 : You know after watching the press conference earlier today and seeing the heat they are taking for what seems to be a blazingly disorganized and chao
134 aerorobnz : Typically the media dont care what they do or who they hurt/manipulate as long as they can milk the story as long as possible. They should do the hono
135 holzmann : The Facebook/NZ Oil Rig Email seems like the best lead out there. What about a "Cast Away" scenario? Something catastrophic occurred, engine or otherw
136 SKAirbus : I thought they were sending a ship into the area? Anyway... it all seems to make sense.. It was pretty much on its flight path and it was sighted not
137 Aither : One thing for sure is that there will be new ATC, Interpol, ... procedures put in place.
138 tim73 : There are almost 2000 million people living around South China Sea, much busier shipping lanes than anywhere around USA So the coast guards there are
139 nupogodi : This is depressingly jaded. Most of the media aren't out to hurt or manipulate anyone, they just want answers, same as we do. They're not trying to t
140 nupogodi : In the ocean, at night? This ain't the Hudson. Anything is possible, but I'd believe the meteor strike "theory" quicker than I'd believe a 777 ditchi
141 penguins : If your theory is right (and I think it might be), then this crash has eery similarities to SR111. They said it was an accident bound to happen again
142 SQ452 : While I don't wholly disagree with you that there are those in the media that are out to intentionally try to trip up officials to flame the controve
143 tim73 : Total BS. The press likes bad press conferences, creates a lot of speculation, sensational non-news, endless non-stories to sell to the public. They
144 rcair1 : There have been reports from Rolls Royce that the accident a/c sent 2 engine status messages - at take off and 20 minutes later. They were unremarkab
145 SQ452 : Won't argue with you on Katrina (that was embarrassing) but I was specifically talking about one of the Civil Air Patrol's missions in the U.S. (sear
146 mandala499 : No... No... No.... and once again... NO! I listened to an attempted phone call to a person onboard a crashed aircraft once.. it rang... but after a w
147 katekebo : Many people here have been criticizing Malaysian authorities for SAR performance and question how is it possible that the plane has not been found in
148 AviRaider : You've said that same line twice now. What exactly is your point? Because your comparing a truck load of apples to one orange.
149 DTW2HYD : I don't think the blip started exactly where MH370 lost contact. When they reviewed radar data they found a target traveling from Gulf of Thailand to
150 A380Heavy : I would suggest that a large aircraft, on fire, possibly with a forward speed in the region of 500mph, falling from the best part of 7 miles up is un
151 Kaiarahi : Am I right in thinking that they were actually in the SIN SSR when the transponders stopped responding? If so, what are the protocols for exchanging
152 LTC8K6 : A life raft at Port Dickson? The location seems odd. Do they even carry such separate life rafts on airliners?
153 nupogodi : I am sorry your news outlets are so bad. Ours are not. It's not about a smiling puppet, it's about coordinating your messages even from your own gove
154 Post contains images Unflug : That sums it up, nothing more to say at this point. I'm following these threads closely, and this time I'm looking forward to the downtime
155 Kaiarahi : See the previous thread. It's not from a 777.
156 tim73 : HA! Copycat little America there.
157 nupogodi : I don't think anyone is criticizing their ability to search a particular grid effectively. The criticism is about their ability to coordinate such a
158 Post contains images JimJupiter : Very good summary. Please, someone pin this on top of the following thread(s)! And maybe add: - the primary radar return in the West gave 2 possible
159 hivue : How about floating debris from a crashed 777 in relatively calm seas? I think most people on this forum would agree. But a tough job demands a compet
160 nupogodi : I knew you would find that amusing. At least I said sorry! Anyhow I'm just saying that's not my experience. Some outlets do hunt for sensational stor
161 SQ452 : I think what may frustrate a lot of people on this forum is HOW the search is being managed and HOW that information is being disseminated to the pub
162 evomutant : And why do the public have a god given right to know every in and out of the search effort? Some awfully spoilt people nowadays who demand everything
163 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : Did the Vietnamese (or any other) authorities prove or disprove the observation by the oil rig worker? That seems to be the most promising lead so far
164 B747forever : CNN is reporting that 42 ships and 39 aircraft are looking for MH370. Nothing has been found, not a single trace to go after even though there has bee
165 Post contains links nupogodi : Avherald is reporting that Chinese satellite imagery from Mar 9 has revealed 3 large pieces of debris http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b It's
166 nupogodi : Transparency in these sorts of things is lauded as a virtue and is often seen as the mark of good governance.
167 456 : Jeej, we are back! Thanks crew! That they can recognize anything out of those pictures. Its also way out of the intended flightpath(giving the fact th
168 Post contains links johnsonseattle : This isn't an official statement or anything, but: .@ABC spoke with Richard Beaton w/Japanese Idemitsu Oil & Gas Co who hired Songa Mercur to dri
169 Trin : Yes, they sent a SAR aircraft to the coordinates and found nothing, apparently.
170 Post contains links captainx : Would the new FAA AD on the depressuriztion/break-up risk on the 777 cause loss of the transponder and comm antennas? One expert suggest that if the d
171 Post contains images Speedbird128 : I have said this many times in these threads.... SAR amongst other things is in my field and i would bet there is more information that isn't publicl
172 nupogodi : The debris is within their glide range, and that's after ocean currents had a day to move them around. The fact that they are quite large is what mak
173 747megatop : What equipment does it take to detect the black box signals and what is the range of these signals? Given that we have 25 days left now for the black
174 B747forever : Not surprised they didnt find anything. If there was anything there it would have drifted away with the currents by the time it was checked out.
175 laddb : I think it is good to check satellite images from March 9 rather than the Tomnod images that are more recent. I wonder if anyone (governments, I supp
176 barney captain : Great synopsis in that link - thank you.
177 phxa340 : Were those Debris found closer to where they lost initial contact or where the military is claiming they tracked it to ?
178 Trin : I spent some time on Tomnod this morning, and I THINK the images on there courtesy of DigitalGlobe ARE from March 9th. That's what they were date-sta
179 JimJupiter : Thanks, indeed this sounds a little promising (and pretty unspectacular too, compared to the wild speculations).
180 nupogodi : 121nm southeast of last secondary radar contact.
181 planesmart : I think maybe the Malaysian authorities are being a little mischevious with their reporting. The aircraft was ACARS capable, but I'm guessing the airl
182 Post contains links trex8 : And more resources sent. Now I see why some reports quoted the Chinese nationals as "china/taiwan" http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/201
183 laddb : OK. I saw something on twitter that said they had fresh images. But maybe they meant from a different area.
184 hivue : Go to the avherald link. They have a map.
185 Post contains images ejl : Hi two quick graphics; one from Google Earth showing the last known position of MH-370, a guess at a potential crash site as per the n2yo website (als
186 nupogodi : The US said they have good coverage of the area and did not detect an explosion. They would not be able to detect one lower in the atmosphere.
187 kevinkevin : Have all those latest debris images that have been found been analysed by professionals? Have they been marked as nothing to do with MH370?
188 Post contains images captainx : On the AD: "The problem with 777's satellite antenna was identified by the US Federal Aviation Administration last June but the Air Directive telling
189 hivue : That would be consistent with how the Malay authorities seem to have been handling this whole affair.
190 nupogodi : Not yet. They were only revealed about two hours ago. There is not enough detail in the images for even professionals to say conclusively. They will
191 Post contains links canoecarrier : I've heard both as pretty much the only reasons a transponder would be turned off from several other sources as well. Good to see both you and Pihero
192 trex8 : The -200ER is nothing more than a weight variant of the -200, it was called the IGW (increased gross weight ) initially. If you look at the actual AD
193 hivue : Where is that quote from? Way up thread somewhere someone said that the incident aircraft did not have its SatCom antenna in the dome on top of the f
194 rdwootty : One small thing.. I understand there were 5 no shows.Did all the bags get taken off? Have all the missing customers been identified and all the bags b
195 DUSdude : We've been over this in earlier parts of this thread. This particular 777 did not have the satcomm antenna installed that is affected by this AD.
196 kevinkevin : Well I'm praying for any sort of breakthrough. I hope these images are the breakthrough they need.
197 Finn350 : I understand that NTSB assists in examining Malaysian military radar recordings. Hopefully that examination will provide a definitive answer whether t
198 nupogodi : The Malaysian authorities have stated that they never checked in, there were never any bags, and it was only 4 people not 5. Considering it was anoth
199 Post contains links captainx : Here: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-...-from-the-crew-20140312-34mqg.html
200 hivue : Apparently they were never put on.
201 spacecadet : Because a not insignificant number of people among that public knew or were even related to the people on that plane. It is certainly their "god give
202 trex8 : True but someone a zillion threads ago said the MH plane has TWO antenna on the sides rather than the usual one on the roof which is the subject of t
203 JimJupiter : This is one of those erroneous reports that had to be set straight later: Apparently, four passengers were booked on the flight but did not check in.
204 kevinkevin : The part of the fuselage that was reported by Boeing future problems may be evident - would a fire break loose if that part of the fuselage detached f
205 jcxroberts : We don't have anything because nothing has been released. The ACARS on 447 were available within 24 hours. We've heard nothing about maintenance and
206 rj777 : Those pieces are all around 20+ meters in size and within 11 nautical miles. If they're not from an airplane, I'd like to know what else they could be
207 davidzill : Someone better be interrogating the witness from the oil rig. Failure to do so, or investigate the matter any further is a clear sign of covering up s
208 hivue : If that happens you've got problems worse then a fire. Edit: I see what you mean. At FL350 there probably would be no fire in the area where the ante
209 kevinkevin : This must be the breakthrough. Debris with a length of 20+ meters is not something you would see randomly laying in the ocean floating. If you were p
210 captainx : On the ground somewhere? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQexNlbudW4
211 nupogodi : The problem is the imagery is from Mar 9, so god knows where they've gone, or if they're still floating. I hope they make an earnest effort to locate
212 andy33 : Subsequently denied at press conference - where the Inspector General of Police stated that there were no passengers who checked in but did not board
213 jasondn : AF447 & MH370 happened in an area of heavy marine and air traffic Without cursing any flights - I have now started to wonder how the S&R would
214 Post contains images rcair1 : Comparison of "Oil Rig Worker" data and China SANSTID data Just for the heck of it, I did a bit of work in Google Earth to compare two reports. First
215 kevinkevin : If the plane was on the ground somewhere, other military radars would have picked up unidentified object across their radar raising suspicion. Object
216 hivue : That's a lot closer to the time the plane went missing. If the debris is actually from MH370 then March 9 info is better than March 12/13 (and March
217 Post contains links Pihero : It has happened ... on the ground... See Egyptair 772 fire on AvHerald The pics are sobering, aren't they ? A similar occurrence : AAIB special bulle
218 Post contains links and images kmot : Tomnod seems interested in the image and have tweeted it to CNN and Sky. http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/4894 The only thin
219 neoshi : Yeah Map 4894 has shown up numerous times throughout this topic...
220 nupogodi : I disagree. Finding the debris is most important to confirm the plane's fate. Ocean current modelling is accurate enough to be able to backtrack the
221 kevinkevin : Has this area not been scanned by the search team?
222 longhaul67 : CNN International just reported that Chinese Government Agency may have satellite images of the wreckage! They have measured the length of what could
223 nupogodi : Welcome to the thread. Scroll up.
224 kevinkevin : Let's not get our hopes up. I will only be relieved once I see and get official confirmation.
225 rebr : Sees an A380 with someone pointing at it and saying how does a triple 7 dissappear.....closes the window. Can't be taken serious......
226 hivue : Should work for forward tracking too. We'll see if they find anything. If they do, the March 9 pictures could be very useful for locating any main wr
227 longhaul67 : According to CNN these latest Chinese images were released within the last few minutes.
228 Post contains images kmot : Im not sure. We have also seemed to find a small yellow object north east of this site. Center grid, lower right corner. In addition, in the grids to
229 hivue : Too bad they weren't released they day they were made.
230 hivue : How do you know it's an "oil slick?"
231 kmot : I can't say for sure but they do have examples on their site.
232 Post contains images JimJupiter : Yeah, I smell government cover up.
233 awthompson : Surely there are no parts in the region of 20 metres in dimension that would float on a Boeing 777? Some have argued as to whether the tail fin on a
234 PW100 : Glad that I'm not the only one seeing things through anything but pink glasses, and calling the rest of the world incompetent. Welcome to my RR listi
235 hivue : I wasn't being facetious. I was saying that it's too bad they weren't released the day they were made.
236 flyingturtle : But SAR crews fly over the scene quickly, have about six or eight eyes at their disposal, while thousands of people are staring at satellite pictures
237 sandyb123 : What a crock. First they show a picture of an A380 then they interview a 'veteran pilot' who says Boeing aircraft are indestructible. Sorry but that
238 nupogodi : Sorry if I was rude. These images have been online for about 3 hours and I posted the link in this thread as soon as the site came up. It's a good id
239 Post contains links PlaneInsomniac : Not sure if it's been posted yet, but the actual SASTIND images are supposedly here: http://www.sastind.gov.cn/n112/n117/c303244/content.html That sit
240 nupogodi : If you look at the pictures, they are not perfect rectangles. Certainly certain pieces can meet those dimensions if the fuselage breaks up in an inte
241 jcxroberts : Chinese satellites can get clearer pictures than this. They just put fuzzy ones out to the public for military secrecy reasons. Almost certainly they
242 hivue : They could be many pieces of debris conglomerated.
243 Post contains images JimJupiter : My apologies if that came across rude. I for one am happy if they actually found something at all, and I realize that analyzing a lot of data might t
244 Post contains links and images kmot : If you replace "challenge" with "api" in the address bar, Tomnod gives you an error message with the coordinates. These match up with the search area
245 Post contains links and images kmot : If you replace "challenge" with "api" in the address bar, Tomnod gives you an error message with the coordinates. These match up with the search area
246 nupogodi : Don't be so sure ... Space-based optical imaging is a tougher problem than you think. That being said, it's a possibility.
247 Eagleboy : Indeed.. they may have not released them till now thinking that the debris field would be found by ships earlier.
248 hivue : Yes, I understand that. This looks to me like the best lead so far. But, as others have noted, the "debris" in the images needs to be verified. It wo
249 456 : But then I would expect more floating debris in the area, if those large parts ripped of from the plane and are sunked by now.
250 nupogodi : Sunrise is in two hours, so hopefully we will hear something before the next terrible presser in the evening.
251 hivue : More would be nice. You take what you can get.
252 gulfstream650 : My only problem with these images is that they potentially shows the aircraft or at least the fuselage pretty much in one piece. BUT, how does someone
253 PanAm1971 : Those reported dimensions of spotted wreckage would seem to indicate something less than a high speed nose down impact. It would be completely tragic
254 Finn350 : There is no point in withholding the images as there were so many Chinese nationals in the plane. The pieces appear to be too large to be parts of a
255 OldAeroGuy : If the sizes (approx. 20m x 20m) quoted are accurate, the only 777 configuration parts fitting that description would be the center fuselage with part
256 hivue : They don't look like an airplane in one piece to me. They look like globs of floating junk (admittedly, as mentioned above, they're pretty fuzzy).
257 Post contains links suseJ772 : If you take the email from the Oil Rig and the Spot from the Chinese Satellite you get 209nm - I would think that at least is reasonable. http://gc.kl
258 456 : Ah yes ofcourse. I mean it gives definitely hope! What I meant was that if those large objects were already sunk to the bottom, it's still usefull to
259 slinky09 : Am I the only one, but your images show black space and arrows, with red circles and dots ... what do they prove?
260 hivue : Why do you think they are single pieces?
261 flyingturtle : This reminds me of the AF447 threads. I appreciate the lack of any bashing (anti-Boeing or anti-Airbus) in this thread. --- As an addition - I rememb
262 suseJ772 : I thought the same thing. THANK YOU so much. This was killing me.
263 Post contains links PhilV : Hopefully we still have debris floating around. In the area, debris would float towards the coastlines at the moment. Wind on the surface: http://ear
264 suseJ772 : I wonder if the large floating objects could be the life rafts just grouped together into three groups. It gives some hope. I don't know the dimension
265 Post contains images SOBHI51 : How could you trust this type of report when Tony keeps on calling an A380 a B777
266 rfields5421 : That is always like herding cats. Each nation has its own chain of command. No nation is willing to be subservient to another nation about searches w
267 PanAm1971 : Not to be dramatic... but it should be pointed out the waters in this area are fairly warm. During WWII people were known to survive ridiculous amount
268 slinky09 : Yes, a 60' sqaure object is huge ... be interested in others' views whether there is any single piece of a 777 matching this. Or is it a mass of junk
269 hivue : How did France and Brazil do in the AF447 search?
270 jcxroberts : The US intel almost certainly has similar satellite photos and never released them. China revealed more than they wanted by releasing these, mostly th
271 hivue : The images are not of the Malacca Strait.
272 flyingturtle : If the accident was so "benign" so that people were able to survive - and the plane was able to ditch in more or less one piece - then the crew shoul
273 OldAeroGuy : Because they are being described that way. The largest of the three pieces is said to be 22m x 24m (72ft x 79ft). Try matching that up to a 777-200ER
274 hivue : I can't match that up with anything -- airplane or not -- as a single piece.
275 suseJ772 : If the electrical killed the transponder and communication but left fly by wire? Just a thought?
276 nupogodi : This is a bit crazy, but the fuselage could have bent outwards on impact. The 772 has a diameter of 6.19m, which would give it a circumference of abou
277 Post contains links DUSdude : " (Reuters) - Boeing Co on Wednesday said the missing 777 Malaysia Airlines jetliner was not subject to a new U.S. safety directive that ordered addi
278 747megatop : Much better. They found confirmed floating debris with 2 or 3 days close to last known point of contact. After that it was pretty much trying to figu
279 rfields5421 : Once an alert had been declared that the plane was missing - Brazil was able to get a C-130 over the last contact location that same day before dark.
280 slinky09 : Erm that was my point. Anyone have data on currents from the last know position to where these items are observed, noting that the satellite images a
281 Finn350 : Not to mention a portable ELT in one of the life rafts. FAR 25.1415 Ditching Equipment (Overwater Requirements. Also see FAR 121.339) (d) "There must
282 DeltaMD90 : Probably lots of things. Just because you or I cannot think of something means it's the 777 that somehow unraveled or whatever. It's an argument from
283 steve7e7 : The satellite images were reportedly taken on Sunday, if the Chinese were at all convinced they were of the missing 777 then wouldn't they have releas
284 hivue : As has been mentioned above, combing through satellite images to find little dots on them takes some time.[Edited 2014-03-12 14:58:53]
285 marosbts : Most likely because it takes some time to review those images?
286 nupogodi : Those ELTs have to be activated, they are not G-activated.
287 nupogodi : Well, we are all literally ignorant right now. There is very little information to go on. :-/ Sunrise is in a little over an hour.
288 hivue : They're looking for debris floating on the surface in a general area. The images are of what looks like debris floating on the surface in more or les
289 SpaceshipDC10 : Between the time to review those images and the already ongoing search by Malaysian people, perhaps wasn't it at first deemed a priority.
290 Post contains links Owleye : Source BBC and Telegraaf: maybe an image of the missing jet spotted by Chinese satellite. http://www.telegraaf.nl/jsp/foto_win...%20mogelijk%20plek%20
291 456 : I can imagine that planes can already take off in order to fly to the location of the found suspected debris right now in order to save time? That's
292 nupogodi : Gosh I don't have a link for you, it's many many pages back, but what I read is that the marine SAR is 24/7 but air SAR is sunrise to sunset, approxi
293 stasisLAX : The dimensions of the objects seem eerily similar to the sizes of containerized shipping. A freighter may have lost some sealed containers which coul
294 stuyyz : I agree, this phone thing just won't go away, argh....at least the passport thing has gone away, finally. I went through 3000 Tomnod images and found
295 nupogodi : It is also possible that the Chinese got the dimensions wrong, or they were reported incorrectly. If you look at the photographs, these are not perfec
296 hivue : I would think a shipping container could fit inside of a 77F.
297 gulfstream650 : New thread please MODs Thank you!!
298 nupogodi : Exactly! This is the kind of transparency we expect from modern investigations! It's only fair to keep the friends/family in the loop entirely, as we
299 MSY-MSP : Was wondering if anyone could convert the coordinates that the Chinese said they saw the debris at with the tomnod map id. This way we could see if th
300 na : There is Mr. Quest and two other CNN guys, they are looking at the pictures and quote the sizes of the parts, and all 3 are not able to notice that e
301 noflies : Exactly! Pity that clarity was only revealed yesterday and I don't even think that was the intention. It wasn't directly part of anyone's speech, fro
302 D L X : So, this would suggest that whatever happened was all over before the 1:20 mark, correct? Didn't they also have reports from other commercial jets sp
303 Aither : Dont they have puctures before ans after saturday ?
304 acabgd : Can't quote properly as taken from previous thread. Appreciate the full quote and understand your position. Sorry if I was a bit jumpy. Sad that we'r
305 nupogodi : It's not likely that area of the sea would be imaged recently prior to the event.
306 Post contains images mach4 : Aircraft size relative to reported debris size:
307 gulfstream650 : Benefit of the doubt has to be given to the Chinese at the moment. It would be quite embarrassing for them to release these photos only for them to be
308 s5daw : But what could be so big and float? Parts of fuselage and wings wouldn't float, would they??[Edited 2014-03-12 15:59:42]
309 rj777 : I hope for every From what I just heard on CNN, the Malaysians haven't even SEEN the pictures, so if it does turn out to be the wreckage, it's going t
310 gulfstream650 : Did anyone else catch that on Erin Burnett's CNN intro: "crash sh i te! Ha ha.
311 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : The Guardian reports the same thing: http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...tes#block-5320e415e4b001fc58715766
312 trex8 : They see something which may be debris, it may even be artifact, or not 777 debris and just flotsam. At this point all agencies should be doing this,
313 airbazar : Why? No one else has done any better. At this point any thing is worth a closer inspection.
314 B747forever : Unbelievable. So they havent even seen the pictures, and thus nobody checked out the area for the debris?
315 456 : I would not be surprised when china is sending their own planes to this spot as well to check for these parts.
316 tonytifao : I believe we have sunlight at the location by now. Lets hope for some good news
317 Post contains links vicentezc : I have been following the forum for a very long time and finally decided to post. While searching in Tomnod for anything that could help, I came acros
318 nupogodi : These were only made public about 5 hours ago, sunrise is only about now, so no one would have really had a chance anyway. Also China probably wants
319 B747forever : But being clueless about the pictures after they were made public hours ago is what surprise me. Totally understandable with so many Chinese citizens
320 nupogodi : It's possible that whoever is working the overnight shift at their "crisis headquarters" or wherever they set up shop for the office work has seen th
321 UALWN : And sometimes they don't. Steve Fossett's plane disappeared on September 3, 2007. The Civil Air Patrol searched for it for a month and couldn't find
322 Stretch : I'm not surprised that anyone on the Malaysian side isn't aware of it. On the surface, they have seemed helpless, if not clueless about where their pl
323 noflies : Perhaps it's looking like the Chinese are trying to be more transparent and therefore handling things better?
324 awthompson : Exactly, there are no pieces which could come from a Boeing 777 of that size which would float. The only possibility as someone has suggested is thre
325 Post contains images horstroad : edit: it's not necessarily to scale, I was just comparing the shape[Edited 2014-03-12 16:34:27]
326 777Jet : If so, and if there are still survivors after all of this time, I'm sure they will be wondering when somebody is coming to rescue them... Without foo
327 markalot : The Malaysia bashing is getting really really old. They are frustrated they haven't found the plane, along with everyone else. They are not as media s
328 solarflyer22 : Yeah I have to say, the number of mistakes and flubs they have made has made me question everything coming out of the Malay government. They referred
329 nupogodi : The span of the tail is 21.5m, so you weren't really that far off on the scale.
330 AT : What I don't understand is why there have been so many delays in communicating across the different teams. If it indeed turns out that these images we
331 nupogodi : Without water? They would likely have all perished by now. With water, without food? Healthy people can last over a month. Gandhi did it for nearly a
332 OTF : I think the average is about 3-5 days without water & 5-8 weeks without food. IF, and that's a big if there are people out there on a life raft t
333 Post contains links 777ER : MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)
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