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User currently offlineLXLGU From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Effective 01 Dec Lufthansa inauguarate direct flight
Munich Johannesburg Munich 4 times weekly with a
Airbus 340.Welcome addition to South Africa

Cheers!
Tony

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User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1988 times:


Cool !


User currently offlineTimmay From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

That really is good news, the Tourism sector in SA are complaining this season with seat shortages on flights to and from Europe. With the local currency (ZAR) at an all time low, South Africa is very cheap for those with hard currencies !

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Hello,

What kind of operations do they have on the FRA-JNB route please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

This is great news. I know many people who have been complaining that they cannot get flights to Europe, because every flight to anywhere in Europe is full. After many airlines (Austrian, Sabena, Alitalia) pulled out, it is no wonder. So this is a great addition.

Alain -

I know they use 744's to JNB and CPT. Not sure about the frequency, but I think it's daily. They also code share with SAA on the route.

SunAir  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

LH fies daily to Jo'burg with LH572 using a LH aircraft that is codeshared with SAA as SA7572 that rotates from JBG to CPT.
SAA flies with its own aircraft SA261 ( also on codeshare with LH as LH9860) departing from FRA only 15 minutes before the other flight.

Therefore we can say that LH flies twice a day to South Africa form FRA and now they have 4 more flights a week.

Usually LH flies with 744 and SAA with 743's having the 744 deployed on the North Atlantic routes


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Cool. Looks like LH is doing great. They have a huge intercontinental network which is getting bigger every day.

Tom


User currently offlineRizzibird From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 232 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

I know that SA tried the MUC-JNB route some years ago, can anyone tell me what kind of operation they had on that route (frequency and equipment) and why and when they pulled it?

Rizzibird


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

I don`t know exactly but as i remember it was JNB-MUC-DUS and DUS-MUC-JNB. The last time i saw SA at DUS (maybe `1995-`1997), they used a 747 SP.

Patrick

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User currently offlineD-AIFB From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Actually the new service MUC-JNB will be served three times a week, not four times.

SA operated twice weekly mainly B743 from JNB to MUC with either a connecting service to CPH or to DUS. Sometimes they brought the B747SP. I can´t remember the excact date at the moment, but they pulled out of this market in the mid 90s in a phase of downturning traffic to south africa, albeit Southern Germany is a major source of passengers to South Africa. Also MUC had fewer conntecting possibilities at this time, because the LH MUC hub wasn´t as big as it is today. So altogether the flight wasn´t profitable at all. They concentrated their services at FRA and ZRH.

Recently there appeared rumours (from an SA official in Germany in an interview with the aviation magazine "Flugrevue") about a possible SA comeback in MUC in perhaps about two years.



User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1767 times:

Guten Tag,

Indeed, South African Airways (SAA) chose to refocus on the FRA market instead. I imagine there were some high costs related to the operations of additional short legs (FRA-MUC, FRA-DUS).


Did they mention why they have such an interest in the MUC market (and LH in the JNB one)?
I know BMW A.G. has a factory in South Africa, and some Bavarian employees from München, Dingolfing, ... were proposed to work some time down there. But I really doubt this is enough to warrant the profitability of regular operations...

What is the schedule of the MUC-JNB-MUC flights?
What about the MUC-LHR-MUC?

That could potentially enlightus about the strategy of Lufthansa for this flight. When Austrian Airlines operated services on VIE-JNB, most of its customers where connecting on LHR flights, providing substantial revenue.


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Viele Grüße,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineAirafrique From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1739 times:

Lufthansa used to come once a week in Dakar (GOOY).
A lot of Germans tourists come to Senegal for there vacation.

Does the company still have a flight to Dakar ?


User currently offlineLXLGU From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

LH 574 MUNICH/JOHANNESBURG
TUE/THU/SAT 2040/0805

LH 575 JOHANNESBURG/MUNICH
WED/FRI/SUN 2030/0600

Condor now fly once a week FRANKFURT DAKAR
with 757 on a charter basis

Cheers!
Tony


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

and i believe Lufthansa Cargo regularly visits DKR on its flights from FRA to VCP...

rgds
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineF+ Rouge From France, joined May 2000, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Airafrique,
I confirm that Lufthansa's charter subsidiary Condor visits DKR every Thursday evening inbound from FRA and I also saw a LH cargo MD-11 F when I arrived last Wednesday.

Regards,

F+ Rouge


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