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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65499 times:
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MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65172 times:

Quoting AT (Reply 331):
If it indeed turns out that these images were noted on Sunday but only released today, then, whatever the rationale, it is problematic.

As mentioned before, China deployed any imaging sats (I think they said 10) they had that could reach an orbit that could image this area, and they imaged the entire area on Mar 9. Since then they have presumably been looking at every single image, possibly (and hopefully, for their sake) aided by software that detects anomalies. Still a lot of human effort to reject pictures of clouds and such.



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offline777Jet From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 1423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65160 times:

With a new sunrise and 12 or so hours of daylight let's hope that something is found today or that they can at least track down / confirm what that image was...


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User currently offlinesuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65074 times:

Alright, EVERYONE needs to stop using Tomnod.

I now see why they don't publish their coordinates. I have extracted at random a sampling of about 2,800 of the estimated 31,000 maps on Tomnod challenge (thanks to Kmot showing the API link. As you can see from the link below plotting them on Google Maps, the sampling on Tomnod is SOOOOOOOOOOO unbelievably small. Keep in mind when you see the map at first, you think it is just one dot. That is actually 3000 sampling points. Zoom in and you'll see what I am talking about.

I am going to extract more points if their servers don't catch on and limit it. But, sadly, a waste of time people.

http://borgmann.me/a/mh370

PS the X on the map shows where the Chinese satellite images are located.

[Edited 2014-03-12 16:59:11]


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64707 times:

What the searchers need is something that can take high-resolution wide angle pictures in a certain area over a long period of time. Maybe it's time to deploy the RQ-4 Global Hawk flying at 60,000 feet and use that UAV's high-resolution cameras to find the remains of this 777.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64435 times:

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 2):
or that they can at least track down / confirm what that image was...

That should be their main focus until they know what it is.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64272 times:

Top of the morning to you a.nutters!

Here is rcair1's excellent summary from thread 16.

Sanity check.
I'm going to try to list what we know, not what we think - we being the public. And sadly it is very short.

- The ship took off normally and headed on course to Beijing
- The last comms were a normal handoff from Malaysia to Vietnam control.
- It was a normal 'good night' on the Malaysian side, but Vietnam was not contacted.
- The aircraft dropped off secondary radar with no communication from the cockpit.
- There is some reports of a descent and turn - based on primary radar.
- But there is confusion about the veracity of that.
- There is some confusion (in the press) about if the descent was 3000ft or to 3000ft
- There was a primary radar return tracked west over the Malacca straits.
- Since it is primarily - a reflection - we do not know that it is the accident a/c.
- We do not know if it was a track (multiple returns) or a few points returns.
- We have no ELT signal detected.

Based on this information - authorities are searching 2 areas - near the planned route and in the Malacca straight.
- Frankly - this is quite reasonable. You search where you have evidence the a/c may be.

There are lots of conspiracy theories out there - from the Malaysian government hiding something to pilot suicide, to hijacking to whatever.
- We have no data to support any of them.
- The breadth of the countries searching alone makes me discount many of the 'government is hiding it' aspects
- It is likely there are covert (secret) resources in the area that are trying to provide the info without revealing themselves.

We have lots of complaints about incompetence.
- I've been in and in command of large emergencies and been the one responsible to communicate to large groups.
- Even in the best situations, with cooperating agencies - it is easy to portray incompetence when what is really going on is hard work that is not providing the desired result.

There are lots of people talking about "mobile phones".
- We know that if any mobile phones were connected to the tower - we would have a location and would search there.
- We don't have any reports or evidence of that - so I conclude that it is not viable to consider.

We have had a lot of "false" sightings
- This is common and we need to investigate the credible ones. Most will be false.

In summary
We KNOW 3 things.
- The a/c disappeared from secondary radar and stopped communicating. We do not know why or what happened to it.
- There is some evidence that it traveled west. But that evidence is not conclusive or sure.
- We have not found it despite multiple governmental agencies from multiple countries searching hard.

That is all.


Answers to previous thread:

Captainx: Would the new FAA AD on the depressuriztion/break-up risk on the 777 cause loss of the transponder and comm antennas? One expert suggest that if the decomp event occurred and the pilots changed course prior to donning their masks then both pilots would likely pass out quickly and the plane would fly on the new course until it ran out of fuel. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...rrosion-problem-boeing-777s-n50591
Answer: We've been over this. That AD does not apply to this particular plane since it did/does not have that antenna.

747megatop: What equipment does it take to detect the black box signals and what is the range of these signals? Answer: According to this link http://www.hydro-international.com/i...Deepwater_Black_Box_Retrieval.html they ping on acoustic 38.5 kHz (an audio signal) and a range of 2-3km.

747megatop: The biggest question/issue would be who would pay for all this!? To me it seems to be in the best interest of everyone to find out what happened and rule out any sinister plot. Answer: The insurance companies and Boeing have a vested interest in the investigation. Just throwing a number out there, US$100m operation cost sounds like a lot but if you think about it that is cheaper than a brand new 777.

planesmart: I think maybe the Malaysian authorities are being a little mischevious with their reporting. The aircraft was ACARS capable, but I'm guessing the airline does not use the facility. Answer: This has been covered. Please skim and search previous threads.

nupogodi: Welcome to the thread. Scroll up. Answer:         

hivue: How did France and Brazil do in the AF447 search? Answer: The political situation was a bit different. Far from territorial waters and those countries weren't regularly sniping at each other in ongoing territorial disputes.



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User currently offline777Jet From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 1423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64196 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 2):
or that they can at least track down / confirm what that image was...

That should be their main focus until they know what it is.

Agreed. With all the uncertainty, the authorities should thoroughly follow such a lead...



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63960 times:

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 3):
the sampling on Tomnod is SOOOOOOOOOOO unbelieveably small. Keep in mind when you see the map at first, you think it is just one dot. That is actually 3000 sampling points. Zoom in and you'll see what I am talking about.

Kinda puts the difficulty of SAR in the sea into perspective, doesn't it?

I think your China Sat location is wrong though - at least, it disagrees with the information and map on Avherald which puts it southeast of the last known secondary contact, and that website is not known for being inaccurate.

[Edited 2014-03-12 16:56:00]


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User currently offlinephantomx18 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63961 times:

Can anyone comment on the difficulty of creating a computer program to pick up anomalies from these satellite images? Would this be technology that larger governments have (USA, China, etc.) and could be used for something like this, or is this just sci-fi at the moment. I would think that these governments would already have programs to pick up possible troop movements, missile launchers, etc. . .or software that would flag possible objects for further human review.

User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63484 times:

Quoting phantomx18 (Reply 9):

Can anyone comment on the difficulty of creating a computer program to pick up anomalies from these satellite images? Would this be technology that larger governments have (USA, China, etc.) and could be used for something like this, or is this just sci-fi at the moment. I would think that these governments would already have programs to pick up possible troop movements, missile launchers, etc. . .or software that would flag possible objects for further human review.

It is something a computer science student who has taken a class in scientific computing / image processing could do in less than 24 hours.

The sea is blue and there's a lot of it, filter it out. Look for any contrast. There are algorithms that quantify the amount of contrast in an image. Prioritize images for review that have the most contrast. You will get lots of clouds. You will still have to go through all images, but you can at least look at the interesting ones first.

It's trivial. When I worked for an aerospace company in R&D, we did GIS work and we were doing much more complex image processing on RadarSat images with people no more educated than BCS/BMath (although often guided by papers written by serious academics)

[Edited 2014-03-12 17:00:43]


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User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1059 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63464 times:

Quoting phantomx18 (Reply 9):
I would think that these governments would already have programs to pick up possible troop movements, missile launchers, etc.

Yes, but they may not have algorithms foe picking up floating wreckage.


User currently offlinevicentezc From Honduras, joined Jan 2008, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63254 times:

Repost from previous thread as I'd appreciate any input.

While searching in Tomnod for anything that could help, I came across some images that intrigued me.
I have noticed several objects that don't look natural in a widespread area, e.g.:
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/18550
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/16740
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/14473
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/16378
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/15011

However, the images are quite dark so I cannot say if those are boats/ships.
In the vicinity, you can clearly see two ships as a comparison:
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/18176

Using kmot's technique to get the coordinates, the area is located around 7.57563N 103.232585E

Last known position of the plane was 6°55'15.0"N 103°34'43.0"E

IIRC, someone talked about a turn heading 330° after this position.
When you connect the two dots in Google earth, they are 45 NM apart, heading 332°.

http://www.airliners.net/uf/73977/phpyWjpOG.png


Any thoughts?


User currently offlinesuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63217 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 8):
Kinda puts the difficulty of SAR in the sea into perspective, doesn't it?

It sure does.

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 8):
I think your China Sat location is wrong though - at least, it disagrees with the information and map on Avherald which puts it southeast of the last known secondary contact, and that website is not known for being inaccurate.

I'll look into that. It's Google's encoding, but I might have the coordinates wrong.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 382 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63214 times:

Could a JSTARS pick up surface debris on water? It seems one of those could cover a huge area and stay on station for a long time as it is refuelable.

User currently offlinesuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 62955 times:

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 13):
I'll look into that. It's Google's encoding, but I might have the coordinates wrong.

You were right. According to CNN the coordinates are "6.7, 105.63", and for some reason I had "8.6276892, 112.4058292" - I have fixed the map to reflect the right spot. Good spot and thank you.



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User currently offlinedesh From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 62694 times:

"
The Malaysia bashing is getting really really old. They are frustrated they haven't found the plane, along with everyone else. They are not as media savvy as some of the western organizations are, but that does not make then incompetent.
"

- markalot

Thank you and well said. (sorry this is just before the previous thread was closed)

I am sure they are under a lot of pressure - domestically and internationally - and there are people who are trying their best to find the plane with the technology they have. Yes they have had some flubs and they could have done a better job of communicating and managing the message, but that is , hopefully, a lesson learnt on their part.

Hoping we can move to the next phase of the investigation to find out what actually happened to the poor souls onboard.



"History is merely a list of surprises. It can only prepare us to be surprised yet again." - Kurt Vonnegut
User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1069 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62238 times:
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Until the aircraft is located and the Voice and Data Recorders are retrieved, everything is pure speculation. Even though their was wreckage that was found floating of the Air France A330 in the Atlantic Ocean within about five days, it took about two years to recover the recorders and determine what caused the aircraft's demise. Until that happens with this tragic accident, everything is pure speculation and heresy. Only then will we know what really happened and this tragedy can be put to rest and MAYBE some corrections can be made to help prevent a repeat of this accident.   

[Edited 2014-03-12 17:16:09]

User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62210 times:

To give an example of some things we were able to do by processing RadarSat images, we could image farmland and then accurately predict crop yield year-over-year. This is a service you can purchase.

Finding something floating in a sea of blue is literally trivial, from a computer science perspective. You still need humans to look through all the images in descending order of "interestingness".



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62229 times:

But what could be so big and float? Parts of fuselage and wings that large wouldn't float, would they??

No, pieces of the aircraft the size of the componets of the Chinese satellite photo would not float. However, many pieces
of individual wreckage could gather together in the ocean currents into floating clumps. Also, I believe that the Chinese have MUCH
MUCH higher resolution photos and are not releasing the photos due to military secrecy reasons.

[Edited 2014-03-12 17:10:43]


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User currently offlinelucaspithan From Brazil, joined Feb 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 61683 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 19):
But what could be so big and float? Parts of fuselage and wings that large wouldn't float, would they??

In the AF447 the tail was floating. I think could be something of the same size.

[Edited 2014-03-12 17:14:56]

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[Edited 2014-03-12 17:15:45]

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 21, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 61138 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 19):
But what could be so big and float? Parts of fuselage and wings that large wouldn't float, would they??

It depends on whether it has taken on water. From a comment about eight threads ago, the AF447 tail had trapped air pockets so it stayed afloat. If the tanks are still sealed, fuel is less dense than water so would contribute to buoyancy.

Aircraft structure is relatively light. Huge ships made of steel float so part of an airplane is not a problem per se.



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User currently offlineKIAS From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 61238 times:

A New Zealand oil rig worker claims to have seen a burning aircraft. He says he has tried to contact authorities but does not know if they received his email. Included is a copy.

“The general position of the observation was perpendicular/southwest of the normal flight paths.”



[Edited 2014-03-12 17:17:50]


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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 61200 times:

In the previous thread, the following image was posted:

http://picload.org/image/laoilop/malaysia_b772_9m.jpg

He said it was not to scale, but the tail span of the 772 is 21.5m which is almost a perfect fit.

Remember that the dimensions are the minimal bounding box that would enclose the object. Therefore, a piece of the fuselage with the tail attached could be crazy big by those metrics, even though realistically most of that bounding box would be negative space.



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User currently onlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 60924 times:
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I can't believe AWST ran an article with this headline

MH370 Could Be Worst Boeing 777 Accident

The loss of a Boeing 777-200ER operated by Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 could be the worst air accident involving the Boeing twin-aisle since the type entered service in 1995.


http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_03_08_2014_p0-670478.xml

No kidding! I hate it when people say the most self obvious things.


25 nupogodi : Respectfully, please read the thread first, at least the posts made on the date of your contribution. This has been posted. They deployed resources t
26 DTW2HYD : It is easy to find changes on land thru software but nearly impossible to compare water bodies. Every single scan of the water surface will result in
27 KIAS : I've been reading since page 1, it's quite difficult to keep up with these threads. There is bound to be duplicate info. Thanks for the note.
28 nupogodi : This is nowhere near correct. I have literally worked on automated processing of satellite images. I'm only a private pilot, so I'm not the authority
29 nupogodi : You may naturally ask - well, why isn't this technology used to locate other crashes? 1) It is. Just that traditional SAR gets there first. 2) There's
30 ThunderboltDrgn : The problem with is is that his rig is too far away from where the Chinese object is. His rig is some 350km north-east of the place where the Chinese
31 DTW2HYD : If it is that simple, DigitalGlobe/Tomnod wouldn't be crowd sourcing this effort. There are hundreds of companies and universities with image process
32 nupogodi : You don't understand the problem I am describing. We are not comparing two images against each other. This portion of the sea probably hasn't been im
33 solarflyer22 : Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I doubt they'd release what they are really looking at. They make all the digital cameras now so its not like the infrastr
34 David L : And yet there were many who thought the search was being handled so badly that they suspected the French were trying not to find it in order to prote
35 rfields5421 : From the previous thread: What makes you think Malaysian authorities had any idea on day 1 that they had a recording of an unidentified possible aircr
36 winstonlegthigh : Wouldn't it be a good idea to possibly take the email address of the sender and recipient out of the image a few posts above?
37 trex8 : But the high end chips etc still come from US, Japan, Taiwan etc and your garden variety commercial chips don't hold up well out there in space!
38 Starlionblue : I agree it is very hard. No worries. However for a specific item you can do a "ctrl-f" text search.
39 Post contains links suseJ772 : I added the location of the oil rig, last location of MH370, and even though the airport doesn't have much effect, the airport. Since I know it's hard
40 9VSIO : I think you mean hearsay - there's no one blaspheming here!
41 vfw614 : The problem I have with the Chinese sat images is that they are showing three large chunks of whatever. Even if the aircraft made it relatively intact
42 PHX787 : This probably was posted a few times but I'll say it again for emphasis- the CNN iReport from someone using a satallite that spotted what appears to b
43 airplane : I know the search for this aircraft has been very poor and puts Malaysian authorities in an under qualified situation. But since this is a Boeing, is
44 Post contains images Starlionblue : Surely not! Indeed. Even in this day and age of instant everything, very little is actually instant. I had the same thought exactly! Then again I thi
45 Stretch : Thanks, this does add some useful perspective. That sat photo seems quite a stretch south of the flight path.
46 lnglive1011yyz : Great work - thanks and keep it up. What about overlaying the ocean currents? That might help too.. 1011yyz
47 nupogodi : In case there is still skepticism, here is how I would personally coordinate a satellite-based search effort for floating debris: 1) While our satelli
48 9VSIO : And his passport number!
49 suseJ772 : I think it still is valid. Yes, it is 350km now. But it's been lost for 4 days. If ocean currents are .9 m/s (or 3.24km per hour) for 4 days would be
50 bond007 : Since there are numerous military satellites in orbit, you can probably estimate the resolution to be many times, if not orders of magnitude better t
51 suseJ772 : I noticed that too. Crazy.
52 Post contains links suseJ772 : Plus if you look at the small field that Tomnod actually is, it is even more improbable. I would love to. I don't know where to find that data.
53 vnangia : Oh man, if that is indeed the wreckage, it's completely unconscionable the time they've wasted looking in the Malacca Straits instead of exactly where
54 gulfstream650 : Is there an upcoming pres conference? I'm dying to hear about what is being done regarding these new Chinese 'crash' images.
55 squad55 : Would a meteoroid be detected in the radar? CNN said there was activity in the area that night. Perhaps the mystery contact was from space?
56 lmpinto : I believe the high resolution Google Earth imagery is aerial photography, is it not ?
57 rfields5421 : Every piece of floating debris has its own drift rate. Some will move with the water currents, some with the wind, some by a combination of both. 12
58 Post contains images nupogodi : There are not that many of them owned by any one country, I believe (though I have no insider information). Imaging such a large area in one day woul
59 rfields5421 : Yes, though they do buy some danged good satellite imagery.
60 ubeema : Also he may have done it to confirm his identity in case someone else would have claimed the sighting in his place
61 9VSIO : I understand that, but I'm more thinking about the publication of the photograph! The email reveals that the rig worker knows what he is talking abou
62 Post contains images Starlionblue : Don't forget Singapore. As Zeke pointed out way back, the aircraft actually vanished in the Singapore SSR, which covers large parts of the Gulf of Th
63 Post contains links tkukucka : Just on cnn "Malaysian search aircraft en route to area satellite images suggest could be a crash site: Malaysian air force official." -- CNN www.cnn.
64 nupogodi : In cities and other high-density areas, yes. They source whatever they can get, though. You'll find aerial photography in strange places due to this
65 DTW2HYD : Once US Navy gets those coordinates, they will run those by NRO. NRO can quickly pull up their imagery and tell what those are even before someone vi
66 Capt747Ret : Please indulge me in what I’ve been pondering for the last few days. At this stage of the investigation we still have very little data and some of i
67 David L : To what extent has the search off the west coast impacted the search in the Gulf of Thailand? All I've seen is that the search area was "extended" to
68 Coal : Not to nitpick, but I think you mean Brunei. Borneo is an island shared by Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei. And I think herein lies the problem. Ther
69 Starlionblue : That's only part of the reason the vertical stab was floating. It had trapped air pockets inside that gave buoyancy. Besides, the 777 fin is also CFR
70 Post contains images mandala499 : It does not apply to this plane. This is a repeat I know, but am saying it to enforce the fact that we've covered this already. OH YOU'RE A LIFE SAVE
71 bond007 : On the images that are obviously satellite, you can still assume a huge increase in resolution for a military satellite. China has over 100, most of
72 AT : Agree completely. when it comes to search and rescue and human life, political boundaries should be irrelevant.
73 Starlionblue : One former 744 pilot told me that at his company the question whether to hand fly or use the autopilot in an emergency descent depended on who the ch
74 Post contains links Airvan00 : The Australian P3s went to butterworth ( the ex British and then australian base) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMAF_Butterworth
75 CO953 : User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2621 posts, RR: 2 Reply 322, posted Wed Mar 12 2014 14:26:23 your local time (1 hour 46 min
76 DeltaMD90 : I know the USN has a lot of P-3s at Kadena AFB... not sure if there are any others in the area or if the USN P-3(s) are using another airfield while
77 zeke : The Australian P3s are normally based at Butterworth, it used to be an Australian base, still gets visits from P3s, C130s, and F/A-18s. A P3 can easi
78 suseJ772 : Well as much as you have done (along with Starlionblue, Phiero, and Zeke), I am glad I could finally return the favor in even the smallest way. I hav
79 Coal : Thanks. Yes, but where are they landing and refueling? Obviously they're not going back to Japan every night. Cheers Coal
80 Post contains links imagoagnitio : found this strange, both planespotters.net & airfleets.net have the aircraft as written-off. In planespotters case they even have notations that i
81 Post contains images nupogodi : Awh, sorry to hear that. I guess I should have said I personally don't know them to be inaccurate, based on the accuracy of their reporting through e
82 Starlionblue : Somewhat premature, definitely.
83 DTW2HYD : I would think US P3s/P8-As in that region operate from Diego Garcia. I may be wrong. India operates Do-228 based Electronic Surveillance Aircraft fro
84 Post contains images flightsimboy : And to think this has gone to 17 threads, with some "a.nutters" excited about breaking a record...really Possible future movie rights...don't get me
85 Post contains links rfields5421 : The US might be flying out of the Philippines or more likely U-Taphao, Thailand. Both are still visited by US aircraft at various times. Some more in
86 neoshi : Diego Garcia is almost 3000 nm to the Gulf. The US probably wouldn't supply P3s given that range unless we were given airbases in Malaysia to operate
87 N328KF : I suspect that India is just getting used to their first one. Do you think they would actually use it in "anger" at this point?
88 Post contains images mandala499 : I still go there to read, but I always check the references since then... It's good, as long as you know its weaknesses and know how to deal with it.
89 thegreatRDU : This looks more and more like an Egyptair 990 situation to me.
90 Post contains links vnangia : I assume that every country has a limited total number of SAR personnel and equipment. Every bit of SAR out in the Malacca Strait is SAR that was not
91 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Wikipedia claims that US P8 normally operates from DNA But like previous posters say they are probably operating from somewhere close during the sear
92 Post contains images vnangia : That said, India would probably help if asked since they've now volunteered. There is the minor problem of a base from them to operate from - India d
93 Starlionblue : I can't remember exactly but I think it was Singapore controlling it on last contact. Then again. the map shows SSR regions which may or may not coin
94 stuyyz : They obviously knew it as soon as they started SAR in the Adaman Sea. They wouldn't have been able to make the case to deploy the resources there wit
95 Enobar : In situations like this, do other airlines not directly involved but operating flight paths in the region actively direct their crews to monitor the w
96 Post contains links Nav20 : Our radio news just said that the aeroplane was seen at intervals on radar, tracking well to the north-west, over the Malayan Peninsula (way off track
97 777Jet : Agreed. I was looking through planespotters yesterday and thought it was a bit premature to have MRO removed from the MH fleet list...[Edited 2014-03
98 jcxroberts : China is backing off the images ? " Li Jiaxiang, chief of the Civil Aviation Administration of China told media a short time ago they can not confirm
99 jcxroberts : That would be Thailand then ? They would have spotted it. I think the oil rig engineer's description remains the strongest.
100 hivue : Got a source?
101 mandala499 : The SAR assets in Malacca Straits are the ones used to cover the area on a regular basis. They're just out there as a just in case. Vietnam almost fe
102 tristarcrazy : The photos were from Sunday. What was floating then may have sank by now???
103 Post contains links DTW2HYD : Andaman and Nicobar islands are part of India and has a Naval Base. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_and_Nicobar_Islands http://www.defencenews.i
104 Post contains links aftgaffe : The Guardian has this: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ash-debris-in-south-china-sea-live
105 nupogodi : You have to interpret it literally. They cannot confirm that the debris photographed has anything to do with it. Because they have not yet located th
106 777Jet : What is sad is that it has been 5 days and authorities in various countries still don't know for sure what they saw or did not see on their radars...
107 Kaiarahi : I asked in the last thread - as best I can tell, the last transponder response was from within the SIN SSR. I was wondering what the protocols are fo
108 n471wn : Sadly I must agree.......the transponder being turned off is the key clue here.
109 Coal : Excellent, thanks. A question from someone who is not technically at all, but how hard is it and how long does it take to go over recordings of radar
110 777Jet : I agree that the transponder stopping transmissions is a key clue. When I hear of all the different theories, I keep going back to the transponder st
111 zeke : I do not think the transponder was turned off, many reasons why it can cease transmitting
112 mt99 : Sorry if asked before.. Why would you want to be able to turn of a transponder mid-flight? Why is there an "OFF" switch for it? It would make sense t
113 Kaiarahi : They never changed their story - they just corrected the media "interpretation". All they initially said was that they had a primary radar contact (i
114 thegreatRDU : That's EXACTLY what I was saying to my cousins earlier!! It's so frustrating...the fact that the transponder was disabled and that this plane had 7+
115 vnangia : That's not what I said, Gerry; I specifically meant additional and non-regular SAR that was assigned unexpectedly to the Straits instead of the Gulf.
116 777Jet : Good question. I'd like to know too. I guess that they would have a good idea of what to go through because they know the rough time and location. Kn
117 nupogodi : This has been discussed a lot. The flight crew needs to be able to disconnect any part of the electrical system that may be misbehaving. Electrical a
118 Post contains links dtfg : Hi guys, This morning (Beijing time) a message posted on weibo by a Chinese pilot drew some attention. He quoted a NYTimes report which said that the
119 9VSIO : Many many pilots have inadvertently entered an emergency code while changing squawks. Changing the mode to "off/standby" allows for this error to be
120 DeltaMD90 : Was the transponder 'turned off?' We can't say that for sure. It could have very well lost power or got destroyed.
121 Kaiarahi : Asked and responded to many times. 1. Ground radar clutter at busy airports 2. Recycling to resolve problems 3. Analogy - would you want a piece of e
122 davidzill : My theory as well. It is the one possible explanation for the disappearance of the aircraft that is very difficult to rule out. Transponder off, no r
123 Kaiarahi : SAR is not the same as accident investigation.
124 vnangia : Yep, but Poseidens have a range of about 2200km total, and just Andaman* to IGARI is about 1400km, so no way it would work. Would have to be based cl
125 nupogodi : This is not an issue with the 777 as you would not be rotating the dial to set a squawk and perhaps inadvertently flip through the 7-thousands. You'd
126 Starlionblue : Four reasons to turn off transponders: 1. Transponder malfunction so you need to power cycle it to see if that makes it work. 2. ATC may ask for it t
127 vnangia : You're absolutely right; sorry. Too late in too long a day. Perhaps then crisis managers, rather than a four-letter agency.
128 Kaiarahi : We don't know that it was "turned off". We just know that it stopped functioning, for which there are many possible explanations.
129 ltbewr : I would like to note the difficulty of trying to find a missing a/c. Recall aviation adventurer Steve Fosset who when missing while flying over the de
130 aftgaffe : It's not a standard FL for commercial aircraft. If an a/c were to divert from an airway without clearance and wanted to avoid other traffic, it would
131 jcxroberts : A 'senior defense official' told Reuters it went over Malacca. I don't think Reuters is lying. Someone yanked the guys chain.
132 9VSIO : Well, the poster was asking why you would ever want a xpondr off, not just the ones in B777. Not my quote. Certainly not in my post.
133 777Jet : I should have expressed my thoughts more carefully... Regardless, MAS and the Malaysian authorities are looking a bit amateurish... However, I wonder
134 Coal : OK, I just watched a Navy news clip on YouTube and they said the P3s are being deployed out of an air base in Malaysia, I'm guessing the same one the
135 flyenthu : I am a flight enthusiast but not highly conversant with all of the tech aspects. I am trying to keep up with all the information coming along. My ques
136 Kaiarahi : He didn't. All he said was that "something" (an unidentified radar contact) went over the peninsular and the Malacca straits. The press turned it int
137 Post contains links 777Jet : Flight numbers 318 / 319 will now replace the flight numbers 370 / 371 effective from March 14 on the KUL - PEK - KUL route. Just heard it on here: ht
138 stuyyz : Can somebody explain the Rolls Royce Engine communications? Apparently there was one on takeoff, and then 20 minutes later, and then none. If these ar
139 aftgaffe : To answer your questions: 1) Yes, for secondary radar. The radar interrogates and the transponder replies (w/ info like altitude). 2) Not sure I unde
140 nupogodi : A transponder is used with SSR - secondary surveillance radar. You are correct, the transponder generates the radar return. It is derived from the wa
141 Starlionblue : There are two main kinds of radar used in tracking aircraft, and they are often combined. - Primary radar depends on signals bounced off objects and
142 mandala499 : Suggest, yes. I have not seen any change of deployment from the Indonesian assets according to my sources... dunno if they're accurate at this moment
143 Kaiarahi : To our eyes. But don't underestimate the jurisdictional / territorial issues between Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Vietnam, China, etc in this area
144 flyenthu : Aftgaffe and Nupogodi, thanks for the responses. That makes a lot more sense. Yes, I can now see transponders being used in TCAS. I appreciate the inf
145 bikerthai : The Indian Navy have 3 P-8i. They are based out of Chenai, or somewhere on the east coast. As of right now, they are still checking out their new toy
146 Post contains links and images dandelany : Hello all, I've been following this thread and mystery for a few days now, and I must say, while MH370 has been a tragic and confusing event, it's ref
147 flyenthu : Great explanation. Thank you! I have flown in that area few times and most recently in Dec from SIN-CCU. I always feel very safe because I figure tha
148 nupogodi : Due to the heavy image compression of your source image, I would have to personally guess that this is just a coincidence. It looks like, as you notic
149 flyenthu : Interesting for sure. Is that location close to some of the points of interest?
150 rcair1 : The "RR" signals are signals sent as part of ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) which is a system that send maintenance
151 Post contains images rcair1 : Comparison of "Oil Rig Worker" data and China SANSTID data Posted this in 16, but there have been some comments here so I though a repost may be usefu
152 Post contains images nupogodi : Usually VHF actually Some on this forum call HF ACARS uplinks "sat-cars". But in most cases it's ground-based stations listening for VHF Still, if I
153 747megatop : How many buoys can it drop before it runs out of them? Surely, they would drop a buoy only after sighting some debris or suspect the aircraft is in s
154 Post contains links Starlionblue : While I agree that the "average" hijacker might not prepare well, nothing says our very hypothetical hijacker is average. Once you make the assumptio
155 rcair1 : Thanks!
156 Post contains links spacecadet : US officials are discounting the Chinese images: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/wo...laysia-airlines-flight-370.html?hp An American military offici
157 Post contains links and images Nav20 : That New Zealander, Mike McKay, provided a very detailed report of what he saw. Good for him.......... As far as I can work out the position he states
158 LTC8K6 : Don't anyone take this the wrong way, but, could we stop with the Rorschach tests?
159 Post contains images Starlionblue : Your old atlases and this little thing we call "The Internet". You can plonk in coordinates in Google Maps. Entering "8°22'30.2"N 108°42'22.3"E" gi
160 Starlionblue : I saw an estimate of 7+ hours. In any case a looooong way.
161 nupogodi : This is very disconcerting. The US has massive space-based assets, and would easily be able to confirm or deny this. I fear this will be another empt
162 747megatop : Why has it been poor or why are they in an underqualified situation? Lack of debris in the Ocean makes it hard to pinpoint where the aircraft came do
163 Post contains links flood : Someone had posted this here a couple of minutes ago but for some reason it's been removed? Ostrower tweets: "BREAKING WSJ EXCLUSIVE: Engine monitorin
164 ADent : Does ADS-B rely on secondary radar interrogations to transmit, or does ADS-B transmit on a schedule also? (Say broadcast location every 30 sec?)
165 nupogodi : The latter. The B in ADS-B stands for Broadcast.
166 Post contains links Stretch : Good afternoon. The Wall Street Journal is reporting new information on missing flight MH370, which U.S. investigators now suspect flew on long after
167 Starlionblue : And AFAIK it is every second.[Edited 2014-03-12 21:44:53]
168 Post contains links flood : Link to WSJ article http://tinyurl.com/m7jnd8x
169 nupogodi : Hahah, I suppose when the terminology was created, it could only really go down! Now the down can go up and who knows what where... Jargon!
170 jetblueguy22 : I did but for whatever reason the link got all messed up. This is beyond sketchy IMO. How does something like this happen which isn't some kind of hi
171 LTC8K6 : So they seem to be saying that engine data was still be reported by 9M-MRO for hours?
172 Coal : Wholeheartedly agree. Just to reiterate what I said in Thrd 15, this was just two dumb blondes wanting a bit of fame plus typical sensationalist Aust
173 rcair1 : Indeed - but it does argue for our VERY hypothetical hijacker having pretty deep knowledge of a 777. Compare to the hijackers on 9/11. They did not e
174 Post contains links 747megatop : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26514556 "They [flight recorders] typically have a radio beacon and so for example our P-3 - if they are flying wit
175 KIAS : Most of the 772 circuit breakers are located in the E/E bay, ACARS is in the AIMS cabinet in the rear. Doubtful a hijacker made it there. More likely
176 Post contains images dtfg : WSJ: Engine data suggests the plane flew on for hours after disappearing from radar
177 nupogodi : So NTSB says Rolls-Royce was getting engine status updates 5 hours after the last known secondary contact? I talk to my CPL buddy about this every day
178 Post contains images vnangia : I think I speak for a lot of people when I say: Also, wtf does "The investigators believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data auto
179 LTC8K6 : So we would be looking at a hijacking, or an incapacitated crew, with this "engine data for four hours" story?
180 Post contains links nm2582 : EDIT: apparently this had a mention in the news yesterday and was never confirmed, so it's probably old news. This came across google news a few minut
181 huxrules : By the time I get up there better be some 'splainin from "US investigators" if this is true.
182 nupogodi : I'm not sure they would be heard outside of the water, but I could be wrong.
183 Nav20 : Fair enough, Starlionblue. But it looks as if I got it pretty well right, south of Ho Chi Minh City? So if Mike Mckay is right, and really did see th
184 Starlionblue : Thx for info. I suspected it wasn't in the overhead panel at least. Both are possibilities.[Edited 2014-03-12 21:55:51] [Edited 2014-03-12 21:56:30][
185 LTC8K6 : The engine data comm system is separate? Wouldn't have guessed that.
186 jcxroberts : Makes sense and what many people thought. Given how heavily monitored the South China Sea is, this means it went out the Indian Ocean most likely. I
187 wjcandee : If the WSJ is right, that's why a red-eye flight was the one that disappeared. That may be why cell phones and chat apps showed communication active u
188 nupogodi : Assuming no misdirection that is exactly what it means. They said previously that Rolls-Royce got 2 status updates during the accident flight, one on
189 Post contains images flood : It was initially reported yesterday with no mention since and appears to have been unrelated. Ah, thanks... was surprised it disappeared so quick but
190 Starlionblue : ACARS is a separate comms system from the others. It's not only for engine stuff though. You can even use for text communications with base.
191 nm2582 : Considering it's a Boeing aircraft, and the NTSB's connections with Boeing and around the world, it's entirely possible that they have formed up a di
192 chrisrad : Stranger and stranger every day.
193 nm2582 : Thanks. updated my post so that nobody takes it and runs with it.
194 Capt747Ret : The data feeds can be traced to the ground receiving stations which would give a good plot of its flight path.
195 Post contains links PanAmPaul : To me, this sounds like the Malaysian's are backpeddling a bit but it's not really clear. Malaysia: Radar Tracked Object Over Strait of Malacca Saturd
196 flyenthu : Wow...this if true is much less than the 4-5 hours WSJ is reporting. Obviously source and info. needs to be confirmed.
197 Stretch : The more info that gets released WITHOUT visual verification of an aircraft, the more bizzare this gets.
198 LTC8K6 : I was assuming ACARS was not working.
199 777Jet : If Mike Mckay is correct then the engine monitoring data is wrong. If the engine monitoring data is correct then Mike Mckay is wrong. Awesome! If the
200 LTC8K6 : If engine data is sent via ACARS, then why wasn't it mentioned that ACARS was still working for hours?
201 Post contains images 777Jet : "The Times also reported on Wednesday that a different group of fishermen found a life raft with the word “Boarding” on it ten nautical miles fro
202 spacecadet : I'll take engine data over a guy on an oil rig. No offense to him, but witnesses are notoriously unreliable. That assumes the engine data story is ac
203 Post contains links 747megatop : They drop sonobuoys into the water - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eidMDdMK38s
204 philask : The Malaysian authorities have been deliberately sketchy about answering questions about ACARS. They have never absolutely denied anything.
205 timpdx : hoooleeey wow. this incident is surely worthy of some 5000 posts. After reading the latest WSJ story, kinda speechless at this point.
206 777Jet : If the engine data is correct (which I'd also believe more so than a witness), then this makes for more possibilities...
207 KIAS : Not likely. The door would be closed and locked on exit. Typically an F/A is required to be on the flight deck in such a situation. Not sure about Ma
208 dcsben : If it is indeed true that the a/c kept on flying for 4-5 more hours, then it is again quite possible that the transponder was turned off and the plane
209 777Jet : With what is known about the FO (the flight from HKT when two women were supposedly entertained in the cockpit for the entire flight - pics to back u
210 tortugamon : Anyone think that China is going to take control of this investigation? This investigation is an embarrassment to the fine Malaysian people tortugamon
211 Capt747Ret : In addition to giving us a generalized flight path, I believe the data can also be reduced to provide altitude and airspeed for those extra hours.
212 flyenthu : Yes, one or the other is wrong, because both can't be right. Just wondering why no other witness than Mr. McKay. Did he see any explosion upon impact
213 hamiltondaniel : 5 hours @ 777 cruise speed of 512 knots = 2560 nautical miles. That's a LOT of globe in that radius. As far as hijacking theories, it doesn't appear t
214 N328KF : I think the NTSB and US Navy did just that, informally. Also, do you all realize who did the WSJ piece? Jon Ostrower (FlightBlogger), an a.net alumnu
215 nupogodi : If it was intentional, they knew the area well. I'm just wondering, what's the motive?! I hope to god they disprove this WSJ story because if it's tr
216 jcxroberts : $ hour radius map that is out there. Yes, it is strange. A big clue that was just out there.
217 SXDFC : Does anyone know what type of cargo MH 370 was carrying? Perhaps this might very well be a reason?
218 hamiltondaniel : I have to say...the last three nights, right about this time at night, some new piece of information has appeared that makes me say, quite entirely ou
219 tonytifao : I'm really sick of this story! Some individual must know where this is and thousands of dollars are being spent with tons of made up junk!
220 nupogodi : As far as I know that has not been made public.
221 spacecadet : Read the WSJ piece more carefully: At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that
222 777Jet : I wonder if any of the pilots had financial difficulties? Also, how come it has taken five days to find out that the engine monitoring data suggests t
223 Post contains links flyenthu : This breaking : nothing at Chinese sat site http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/...irlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
224 CO953 : Well the Wall Street Journal article gives me a bit of cover to say this... and it is sheerly speculation. The possibility is very remote, I have been
225 Finn350 : Yes, that seems likely. Based on the new information, the person who took control of the plane knows a lot about the 777 but did not realize that ACA
226 747megatop : One question though; if it were to fly over open ocean how would there be ground receiving stations (other than on small Islands)? This means that th
227 tortugamon : If I was the NTSB I would stay well clear of any microphone. Just keep releasing facts as they come in. I have a feeling India military radar is goin
228 nupogodi : Well, either 1) They are speculating 2) They know way more than we do :/ This is so so so so weird.
229 rcair1 : With all due respect, this is not a story. This is a tragedy for some 239+ families. Let's try to remember that. While the WSJ tweet about 5 hrs of A
230 Post contains links LTC8K6 : Well, we had this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...sia-airlines-idUSBREA291D520140310 The Malaysian passenger jet that disappeared on Saturday
231 Enobar : Wikipedia lists the range of the 772ER as 14,300km... I would presume that is with a reasonable payload though isn't it? If it were loaded with a maxi
232 Post contains links 747megatop : Why? Do you have more information than we do? Just curious. India has already joined though - http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...ing-MH370-Japan-
233 11Bravo : In my view the "Malaysian Authorities" are not up to this job. These last several days have been completely chaotic. It's long past time for some adu
234 Post contains images 747megatop : I am really starting to doubt this "people familiar with the matter" thing. At this stage nobody is familiar with anything now .
235 Post contains images jetblueguy22 : Being a mod has some benefits besides the private jet . That's personally why I think a crew member took control and took the aircraft somewhere else
236 BoeingVista : Its most probably added by RR the sole purpose of contracted maintenence, I think we all suspect by now that Malaysian does not contract for ACARS as
237 SamH123 : I did not see it mentioned in this thread that at the press conference yesterday it was said that: "We are looking into four areas: one; hijacking, tw
238 Finn350 : Apparently the ACARS data contains only some engine parameters and no location information in this case. Theoretically the plane could have circled a
239 CaliAtenza : Has anyone read this person's twitter feed: https://twitter.com/flyingwithfish seems like this person might know a lot more than is being told to us..
240 KIAS : The interesting thing about the WSJ article is it contradicts earlier reports that a lesser amount of EHM snapshots were sent. The RR systems typicall
241 nupogodi : Expecting journalists to reveal sources who are probably revealing things that require security clearance is naive. NTSB investigators are not amateu
242 sipadan : This has CAPTAIN written all over it, perhaps in collusion with others (though doubtful). Clearly, info has been suppressed throughout the course of i
243 philask : Actually, and I don't blame you for missing it in the previous 16 threads... This was commented on several times, but in the light of this new inform
244 jetblueguy22 : I'm willing to bet that is exactly what they will do. They are professionals and don't talk until they have something. Maybe the police doing the inv
245 AR385 : I read that. But it makes no sense. Which terrorist group in that part of the world, giving the ass kicking they´ve been receiving for the past deca
246 chrisrad : It's amazing how this whole story has turned in just 1 hour. I wonder if this will be mentioned in tonights press conference.
247 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : Hi Everyone, This thread has gotten long. Part 18 has been created and can be found here MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 M
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