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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18  
User currently onlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2762 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54840 times:
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MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)
MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 55024 times:

This captures three types of reports:

The first are snapshots, where the sensor data listed above is captured and collected into a small report. This is carried out during take-off, during climb and once the aircraft is in cruise.

The second type is triggered by unusual engine conditions. Examples might be if an engine exceeded its TGT (Turbine Gas Temperature) limits during a take-off. These reports contain a short time-history of key parameters to enable rapid and effective trouble-shooting of the problem.

The final type is a summary, which is produced at the end of the flight. This captures information such as maximum conditions experienced during the flight, and power reductions selected during take-off and climb.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/about/tec...ystems_tech/monitoring_systems.jsp


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54914 times:

There's no indication that the RR EHM system would have produced anything but the three snapshots and the summary.

Presumably, they received a summary? And thus know when the flight ended?


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6138 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54754 times:
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"Quoting dcsben (Reply 209):
If it is indeed true that the a/c kept on flying for 4-5 more hours, then it is again quite possible that the transponder was turned off and the plane flown somewhere intentionally."

I read that. But it makes no sense. Which terrorist group in that part of the world, giving the ass kicking they´ve been receiving for the past decade and a half, has the infrastructure to carry out such an operation? I can buy they managed to hijack the plane and fly it somewhere, land it (it´s happened before) but then prepare a 777 for a future operation? With no government in that part of the world knowing about it? It sounds like a bad Bond movie plot.

The only place it could have gone if flying West is to countries that are not going to be able to hide something like this for such a long time, or not knowing about it.

"Quoting 777Jet (Reply 223):
Also, how come it has taken five days to find out that the engine monitoring data suggests that the plane flew for 5 more hours?"

I would guess that it´s data that has taken a while to analyze and then re analyze.



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User currently offlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54780 times:

As reported in the previous thread, Wall Street Journal claims U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.

Link to the story
http://tinyurl.com/m7jnd8x

Apparently, the plane sent ACARS information regarding engine performance but without location information through a satellite connection.


User currently offlineaftgaffe From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54750 times:
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So we're down to two broad possibilities right:

1) Hijacking (including by the crew)
2) Hypoxia plus other weirdness explaining the transponder and turn

Any other possibilities?


User currently offlineaftgaffe From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54604 times:
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Also, the WSJ report makes FL 295 sound exceedingly intentional. Again, not something that is necessarily incompatible with hypoxia and other non-nefarious weirdness, but it's tough to square.

User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1563 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54553 times:

Quoting aftgaffe (Reply 5):
Any other possibilities?

Loss of control is still a possibility.



BV
User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 54179 times:

I have a feeling....

Last radar signal from MH370 (en route from Kuala Lumpur to Bejing) was above Vietnam Sea/South Chinese Sea. New Zealand oil ridge worker (on oil ridge south of Vietnam) sees burning plane falling from sky into South Chinese Sea. Chinese satellite might found debris in South Chinese Sea.

Fishermen found dead body with life jacket in Malakka Street. Life raft was found in Malakka Street. Malaysian Air Force picked up radar signal from an unidentified flying object (maybe a disguised or not responding plane) above Malakka Street.

My feeling: maybe a stealth aircraft collided in mid-air with the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777. The airliner crashed in South Chinese Sea and the stealth aircraft tried to get back to Diego Garcia or other base but did not make it and crashed into Malakka Street.


User currently offlinenm2582 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53936 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 1):
The final type is a summary, which is produced at the end of the flight. This captures information such as maximum conditions experienced during the flight, and power reductions selected during take-off and climb.

Goodness. This seems to be the only type that fits a scenario which would communicate a duration of flight.

What conditions have to be met for "end of flight" to be triggered and this summary set? If we're talking about a controlled proper engine shutdown, then things are about to get super, super interesting...

EDIT: upon second thought, the report could also have been the "unusual engine condition" report.

If they received an "unusual engine condition" report but no "summary" report, that could indicate that the flight did not end with a controlled landing (the unusual engine condition could have been flame out due to fuel starvation, or an excessive throttle setting for excessive duration?? just guessing here).

On the other hand, if they received a summary report, then the plane could be wheels down somewhere.

The content of the data they have will be very telling.

[Edited 2014-03-12 23:13:58]

User currently offlineaftgaffe From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53574 times:
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Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 8):
Loss of control is still a possibility.

Can you say more? 4 hours loss aloft without control and comms - that's difficult to envision (although I realize we are in exceedingly difficult to envision territory), particularly since (1) WSJ did not report anything unusual in engine ACARS (although sources could be holding back) and (2) we have an indication of a significant post-transponder failure heading change but no indication after supposedly flying back over Malaysia that the a/c maneuvered in direction of land. So it would be four hours of uncontrollable but relatively stable, straight flight.

What am I missing?


User currently offlineSamH123 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2014, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53603 times:

The story of the dead body found in a life jacket is a day old now, has there been any news in terms of the authenticity of this discovery?

User currently offlinehamiltondaniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53437 times:

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 10):
Holy fuc...

What does the range circle look like four hours after it was lost from Malaysian radar?

It's on this Twitter, a few posts down:

https://twitter.com/flyingwithfish

His range circle does seem conservative. I don't have image-creation capabilities at the moment but my Google Earth fooling around yields a circle stretching from central Pakistan to central Australia.

And, of course, extending VERY far into the Indian Ocean.

[Edited 2014-03-12 23:11:41]

User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53423 times:

Some of you guys are great at making maps. Can someone make a map with a radius from the last know point showing how far this plane could have flown if it did fly 5 hours more. That would help a lot of us visualize up to where this plane could have gone.


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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53479 times:

From the earlier thread:

"NTSB investigators are not amateurs and neither is the Wall Street Journal. "

I seriously doubt the NTSB is leading this investigation from the US side. They are probably involved as they would have the technical knowledge to know what to do with stuff like ACARS data. But the WSJ left very little doubt that this is a counter-terrorism investigation that's going on in the US. And why wouldn't it be at this point? The Malaysians are leading the SAR (for now), there's no actual crash to investigate (I mean, not one that's been found)... all there really is to do from the US side is make sure no one's going to get hit over the head with an airplane.

I doubt it was the NTSB that gave this info to the WSJ. The NTSB doesn't typically leak stuff to the press. Other US government agencies are known to do that, however, both intentionally and not. (But I'm guessing this was the former.)

[Edited 2014-03-12 23:13:17]


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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53238 times:

The only thing I can think of to explain the WSJ report is that ACARS sent an engine summary report, indicting that the plane had landed.

I'm not really familiar with how all of that works though, so I'm just guessing.


User currently offlineKIAS From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 53010 times:



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6138 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 52912 times:
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Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 13):
Some of you guys are great at making maps. Can someone make a map with a radius from the last know point showing how far this plane could have flown if it did fly 5 hours more. That would help a lot of us visualize up to where this plane could have gone.

If heading West, it could be India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or the Maldives. If on its current heading at point of contact loss, somewhere in China.



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User currently offlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 52636 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 15):
The only thing I can think of to explain the WSJ report is that ACARS sent an engine summary report, indicting that the plane had landed.

And maybe also a successful or nearly succeful ditching. Even if the engines are separated that might cause the ACARS to send a report.


User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 52644 times:

Quoting Owleye (Reply 9):
Fishermen found dead body with life jacket in Malakka Street.

Are you saying that a body was found on a street on land? That would mean something happened over land and not water, which would change the nature of the search.

Quoting aftgaffe (Reply 5):
1) Hijacking (including by the crew)

I know we do not know for sure and that we are all just guessing at this point in time, but I highly doubt the captain would hijack the plane or allow it to be hijacked. He was experienced and had been with the airline since the 1980s.

Quoting nm2582 (Reply 11):
What conditions have to be met for "end of flight" to be triggered and this summary set? If we're talking about a controlled proper engine shutdown, then things are about to get super, super interesting...

Very true. Could it also have been that it sent the summary when the engines turned off because of a crash, so more of a mechanical or forced shutdown rather than a proper shutdown?

Also, have the authorities been able to verify the report of the New Zealand oil ridge worker or are people blowing that off at this point? Do we know when there will be verification or further investigation into what the Chinese satellite saw?



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User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 52240 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 20):
Are you saying that a body was found on a street on land? That would mean something happened over land and not water, which would change the nature of the search.

Malakka Street is a sea street, west of the Malaysia penninsula (not on land)


User currently offlinewashingtonflyer From Bouvet Island, joined Sep 2013, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 51967 times:

Quoting KIAS (Reply 16):
https://twitter.com/petchmo/status/443972954401935361

That map is way too conservative. It shows the range as not even making it to its intended destination - PEK.


User currently offlinesipadan From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 52027 times:

If WSJ reporting is accurate, and data interpretation is conclusive and bears out that the plane was aloft for another 4 hours, the only possibility is that the plane was commandeered by either crew or "terrorists". What is MOST PROBABLE, and what I've heard is now driving the main vein of the investigation, is the Captain acting alone. There has been some speculation, in "reputable" circles, that the pilot of MH370 was afflicted by a type of delusional personalty disorder. Particularly a propensity towards grandiosity and ego-inflation, which may have been catalysts to an event such as is now unfolding. Again, this is very preliminary, perfunctory speculation but IS THE line of logic currently driving the investigation. As for the status of a/c and passengers, officials are being very cautious about releasing any pertinent information as the situation is "very fluid" and "dynamic" and of a "sensitive" nature. I will post more when I have more info.

User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 51994 times:

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 17):
I assume that it had enough to get to Beijing and then fuel for one additional hour....

I believe two additional hours was mentioned in a previous thread.



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User currently offlinegatechae From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 52014 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 20):
Are you saying that a body was found on a street on land? That would mean something happened over land and not water, which would change the nature of the search.

I'm pretty sure hes confusing the word "street" for "strait", and he means the latter.



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25 FlyingAY : Malacca Strait in English. Sorry to nitpick, but in this case it might make a difference.
26 hamiltondaniel : That's not a fuel range map, it's a time-of-flight map based on the "4-5 hours" of engine ACARS data.
27 LTC8K6 : Do we know how the system determines "landed"? I assumed weight on wheels.
28 jetblueguy22 : They may not be formally, but I wouldn't doubt they are leading their own independent investigation. If they find something worthy of notifying the M
29 laxboeingman : OK, thank you. Sorry for my error. Has it been confirmed that the person was on MH370? Have authorities moved into that area to search for debris? As
30 hamiltondaniel : It's not really possible that kind of information is showing up on some aviation consultant's Twitter, is it? Surely something that astounding would
31 laxboeingman : If your assumption is correct, then a crash would have been able to send the report. That is still creepy. I would have to say that I find it unbelie
32 JimJupiter : From the previous thread: The guy was speaking for the security agencies involved, i.e. the criminological aspect of the investigation. He did explici
33 imagoagnitio : crap at maps, but according to MH own website the 772 cruises @ 0.84 Mach/897kmh, so lets base a few cities on 5 hours @ 850kmh = 4250km First up Col
34 laxboeingman : It seems like Flying With Fish is speculating and guessing based on information available, sort of like we are. I would like to find out, though, wher
35 LTC8K6 : I would think that is unlikely. My understanding is that ACARS prioritizes messages and sends them in a certain order. It doesn't immediately send da
36 nm2582 : If we are going full conspiracy theory, then it could have been landed at a remote military facility where it is extremely unlikely to have been obse
37 laxboeingman : True, but why would a government be in on this and how would other governments not find out?
38 Post contains images LTC8K6 : Is he reading my posts?
39 Post contains links stasisLAX : officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purp
40 stackhouse007 : Wouldn't an ACARS report contain a touchdown rate, speed, etc...?
41 fiscal : Here we are at day 5. When did Boeing (I assume) become aware of this information? I would have thought that as soon as they become aware of the missi
42 laxboeingman : OK, thank you. Does that mean it would not send the data if it crashed?
43 laxboeingman : If Boeing got the information, wouldn't the airline then get it as well? Why would Boeing and not the airline get it?
44 spacecadet : We don't know that it's accurate. But it is highly detailed, gives specifics on actual briefings going on, and quotes anonymous sources within the US
45 LTC8K6 : I would think it's a long shot, but not entirely impossible.
46 nm2582 : Accounting for rounding errors, reported numbers being rounded, favorable winds, etc. etc.; either of these two locations could potentially be possib
47 jcxroberts : Or both.
48 Starlionblue : At night it would be very hard to identify the plane. The vast majority can't even identify the type during the daytime.. That apparently depends on
49 laxboeingman : Does the WSJ story indicate the radar or transmitter was turned off during flight? How would someone not have leaked it by now if it did land?[Edited
50 jetblueguy22 : If they have a Boeing maintenance package Boeing would get it. In this case it seems they have a Rolls Royce package, so they get the data. I highly
51 spacecadet : Is it possible that the engine manufacturer gets *all* the data, and only gives the *airline* what it subscribes to? Meaning RR would have everything
52 Finn350 : I think the reporter has connections to Boeing, so that would be a logical place where he got the information. Boeing is probably involved as they ha
53 flood : Technically, so is pilot suicide. If his intention was to make the aircraft hard to find, he may have done a rather good job. The report of the body
54 asetiadi : I think we have to involve every country to search this plane. Get as much help as possible. We must rely a lot with US sine they have all high tech e
55 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : For all of those wondering about the RR engine care the BBC did a documentary on Rolls Royce. Here is a link. It is set to start at when they discuss
56 laxboeingman : Thank you. I did not realize it was part of a maintenance package. Good point...I keep forgetting it was night time.
57 giopan1975 : The chain of events began some minutes after leveling off. The chain of events began in the gap between two national ATCs. Crews in this region usuall
58 Starlionblue : I get the feeling that RR analyzes the data and then reports useful parameters and trends to MH. I don't know if MH would need the raw data. Note tha
59 laxboeingman : Thank you. About the WSJ story, is it implying the radar or transmitter was turned off during flight? I would think it would be difficult not to leak
60 hamiltondaniel : He has made several tweets about the purpose of whatever happened to the flight being "asset acquisition" of 20 employees of Freescale Semiconductor
61 Starlionblue : I agree with all that. However I am inclined to think the Wall Street Journal has above par fact checking.
62 aftgaffe : Wait a minute, unless ACARS was turned off or failed after the 4+ hours it was on and working, RR / Boeing / US Gov't ought to know whether the plane
63 flyzapper : I have a theory: What if Ethiopian 702 that was diverted to Geneva by the pilot a few weeks ago was a practice run? Some organization wanted to know h
64 hamiltondaniel : I agree. I doubt WSJ, who broke the story, would jeopardize their reputation on something like this by posting if they didn't have a very good source
65 LTC8K6 : So, if stolen, why steal a 777? Valuable cargo? Use as a weapon? Hold for ransom?
66 jcxroberts : I don't see hijackers controlling a plane post 9/11. It didn't work for the last plane on 9/11 either. Unless they had sub machine guns. Looks more li
67 Prost : No crazier than some of the other theories I've read.
68 CaliAtenza : so lets say the pilots were in on a scheme; that could be anything at this point...
69 jetblueguy22 : Although a fair thought, I would have to imagine they could break the pilot pretty quick. I doubt they just arrested him and let him go on his way. T
70 hamiltondaniel : It occurs to me that most of the earlier mechanical failure theories relied on total electrical system failure to simultaneously knock out comms and t
71 laxboeingman : The former would indicate a crash, then, right? I agree.
72 AR385 : What are you going to do with it? Sell it in Sotheby´s or Christie´s? People who are in it for the money are not going to steal an airliner with 23
73 hamiltondaniel : The standoff theory just seems less and less likely. It's been a LONG time for something like that to be going on and nobody to have leaked something
74 laxboeingman : Why not? They could sell parts and sell the people too. I am not saying that is what I think happened, but simply going along with the thought proces
75 Finn350 : It is quite remarkable that a pilot suicide is the least controversial theory now. Hijacking the plane and landing it somewhere would be quite a feat
76 laxboeingman : That is one of my main thoughts and why I do not think it landed safely.
77 Prost : It'd have to be ebay. Buy it now price.
78 Post contains images JimJupiter : I think it's Bravo Sierra, but totally in line with this thread.
79 hamiltondaniel : Who are they going to sell parts to? There's no burgeoning black market trade for modern airliner parts. A chop shop for a 777 would have few custome
80 laxboeingman : That is my other issue with the safe landing theory. Even though it would have been might at the time of landing, it would stick out during the day t
81 Post contains links CaliAtenza : http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...tion-to-verify-possible-sightings/ what does that mean? This thing keeps getting murkier and murkier by the min
82 flood : This whole mystery will unravel when two Trent 800s show up on Ebay next week.
83 777Jet : Is it the captain who determines the final fuel load and can request more fuel based on weather / head winds etc? If so, it would be interesting to kn
84 laxboeingman : They were RRs, but I know what you mean. Just imagine that for a moment...because imagining a little more at this point can't hurt.
85 Starlionblue : Just spitballing here but it is possible. Transponder and radios have switches in the cockpit. Not sure where the circuit breakers are. However ACARS
86 KIAS : The range is not based on fuel but on estimated flight time. I believe he is speculating, like most folks. Not necessarily. ACARS is a means of trans
87 laxboeingman : It does not necessarily mean that he is going to a possible landing site. What it does mean is that he is going to an area where people think they sa
88 Finn350 : If the story has any accuracy to it, it sounds like a hostage negotiation. It is beyond unbelievable. Edit: And to be clear, I don't believe this kin
89 hamiltondaniel : He is claiming that he has insider information that the RR ACARS reports include an after-flight summary, implying the plane landed successfully. Tha
90 nm2582 : An oversight? History is littered with nefarious activities foiled by a missed detail. Perhaps engine reporting is quite outside a pilots' sphere of
91 AY-MD11 : If the plane was hijacked or the pilot/pilots was the hijacker then the engine data that show it flying for 4-5 hours,maybe they try to fool the inves
92 Post contains images Starlionblue : I know the circumstances are grim but I couldn't help but "Trent" is the model name of this RR engine type. RR engines are typically named for rivers
93 Post contains images hiflyer : so lessee....RR says their motors turned for 4hrs after last contact per the WSJ. Hmmm Aircraft was at 29.5 why 29.5? well it's below most commercial
94 flyzapper : I also think my theory is one of the craziest things I have heard, but terrorists are known to do practice runs before the actual attack. The 9/11 hi
95 Airbus747 : Dear Aviation Enthusiasts, I have followed this website for years, enjoyed photography and read multiple discussions on this forum - though never cont
96 JimJupiter : With all due respect. You might want to spend more time carefully reading these threads.[Edited 2014-03-13 00:20:14]
97 aftgaffe : Does anyone know what the applicable cutoff in flight time is for adding a third crew member. It seems like MH 370 might be pretty close to the thresh
98 jetblueguy22 : And sad at the same time. Who knows. But this is getting more and more bizarre. It's almost as if you can't rule anything out. If they managed to put
99 777Jet : Or it flew well beyond its destination (to make the data misleading) and then turned around, came back, and landed...
100 Starlionblue : If it didn't it would be pretty useless to RR and MH I think. As was mentioned before, 29500 is quite logical whether you are talking hijacking or me
101 XFSUgimpLB41X : Andy Paztor, the author, is probably the finest mainstream aviation reporter in the industry. I worked with him after the Colgan accident at his requ
102 CaliAtenza : at this point i can imagine a special ops mission being planned (Delta Force, SEAL Team 6) to retake the plane if its found in some jungle somewhere.
103 laxboeingman : Sorry, but thank you. It is very late here, so I just realized it was Trent RRs. My bad and that was a stupid mistake on my part. I do not believe it
104 LTC8K6 : Then it's very unlikely that a summary report was received from the RR engines, and my theory is ruled out.
105 Starlionblue : Astronomically unlikely. No weather forecasts or reports indicate anything and no other aircraft on the route around that time noticed anything. I do
106 laxboeingman : You are right and I do. I did not expect to be on here this long and as I mentioned it is late for me. I agree with that and my mind is opening even
107 aftgaffe : Didn't see this before from WSJ: “The disappearance is officially now an accident and all information about this is strictly handled by investigator
108 KIAS : They would know. Engine sensors on the Trent 800 include: - Inlet pressure / temp - Shaft speeds - Vibration - Turbofan power ratio - Gas temp - HP /
109 CaliAtenza : so data was being sent after the transponder turned off, for about 4-5 hours, from the engines...but then that data stopped? Is that what the timelin
110 LTC8K6 : I believe "now" should be "not". Other accounts have it as "not an accident."
111 laxboeingman : If the plane was brought down in a remote area, but the area was home to a group that used WiFi, then it could be possible.
112 BoeingVista : It could as easily be that the final report was the fault condition of the engines running down through fuel exhaustion..
113 LTC8K6 : I doubt it would connect with any old wifi. Perhaps if it can't connect via wifi, it reverts to the VHF link? I dunno...
114 jcxroberts : He thinks the plane landed in China. Which reminds that the earliest report was that it landed in China. Then the report was retracted. Freescale has
115 LTC8K6 : Meaning a crash? But the tone of the reports seems to be toward a landing somewhere.
116 Post contains links aftgaffe : The *not an accident* is what the WSJ originally reported but they corrected it to *accident*.
117 Post contains links KIAS : No, gatelink services don't work that way. It's not like a mobile phone, for example, which is constantly searching for WiFi networks. These are secu
118 LTC8K6 : Well, that typo was not helpful...
119 Aesma : I woke up to this ACARS "information/news/speculation", I'm really surprised it took so long to get investigated, especially considering what happened
120 Post contains links aftgaffe : Agree! RR must have flipped out when they saw that. Here's the article with correction:
121 Post contains links CaliAtenza : http://translate.google.com/translat...iakini.com%2Fnews%2F256954&act=url Pilot activated the code "Tango"---code for hijacking or confiscation. S
122 slinky09 : If the engines had recorded data post-landing, and transmitted that then this is the most fascinating detail to emerge - albeit has it been confirmed
123 trent900 : Morning everyone. I've been trying to keep upto date with the thread with difficulty due to it's speed. I issue I have with this theory is the aircraf
124 BoeingVista : I don't get that from the article. But this whole thing is very confusing, the RR monitoring guys must have read the newspapers and checked the syste
125 LTC8K6 : Okay, so nother possibility is that the RR system sent a report when the engines ran out of fuel in flight. That should generate data reports as the e
126 CaliAtenza : what if they passed it on and the location is being kept secret? I don't know, with the way things are going, we will all wake up Thursday morning wi
127 airbuster : The data stream from the engines sent via ACARS cannot (in my experience) be turned off by anyone on the flight deck in flight. It is however possibl
128 LTC8K6 : Yeah, the tone was retracted after my post. WSJ changed "not an accident" to "now an accident". I don't know what's going on with the ACARS reports.
129 CaliAtenza : Going with the theory that there was a decompression/hypoxic event; how would the transponder switch off in that case?
130 nm2582 : Why? The 777 is not a technological asset per se (it's not like a stolen military prototype jet); if it's found in "some jungle somewhere" it will pr
131 hamiltondaniel : One thing to keep in mind as hijack theories seem increasingly likely: The most complex hijacking operation in history, September 11th, was still fair
132 Finn350 : Guys, the plane is hijacked in China. Everything else is smokescree.
133 CaliAtenza : By retake the plane i meant maybe the passengers are being kept on the plane as some sort of bargaining chip for who knows what; hence "retaking the
134 slinky09 : I can't beleive that for a moment either ... in any case, good old laptop bag theft is much easier!
135 JimJupiter : There was speculation of an emergency landing in Nanjing. But how would this stay unnoticed at a major airport? Plus: If it had continued its way to
136 garpd : I wish people would stop suggesting hypoxia/ slow de-pressurisation as a likely cause. This theory has a single. serious, flaw: It does not explain th
137 asteriskceo : I don't understand how they can say, officially, that this is an accident. Why can't they just come out and tell us why they have come to this conclu
138 CaliAtenza : so then we are back to the hijack/terrorism angle....if the engines kept sending out data for 4-5 hours; and the transponder was still off...then wha
139 BoeingVista : That does actually make sense, if it was seperatists China would not admit it unless they had too. They would rather it be written off as a crash mys
140 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Here are some cities that are within and outside the possible range: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=NAW-LHW...SG=.84&SU=mach&E=240&EV=389&a
141 slinky09 : Since anything is possible, perhaps there was a fuselage crack that depressurized AND damaged comms equipment?
142 LTC8K6 : Since 9M-MRO was not part of that AD, why would we have a fuselage crack? What would crack it?
143 philask : So where's the debris?
144 Speedbird128 : No, less than that step... I think there were reports of blue suede shoes earlier... The "radar" on an aircraft in the nose is exclusively for weather
145 flyingturtle : A "tango" code - never heard since I'm here lurking on a.nut. Maybe it's company-internal lingo? But its interesting to see some little developments
146 garpd : To be honest, that has been my main suspicion for a while now. If you think about it, it makes sense: Pull circuit breakers to turn off all transmiss
147 jcxroberts : And go where ? There's nowhere really to go. Unless a state actor is involved.
148 777Jet : It could also explain the way China is acting towards Malaysia in the media, acting very annoyed and saying Malaysia is not doing enough. Of course t
149 CaliAtenza : then if the plane did fly for 4-5 hours, surely military radar would have picked it up?
150 uta999 : You would fly at 29.5 to avoid hitting anything coming the other way at 300, or we're selecting a lower altitude on autopilot when overcome. The fact
151 Post contains images Starlionblue : Transponder is an independent system from ACARS. You could totally disable or remove one and the other would still work. Just to be clear, there are
152 Post contains images philask : Far fetched but I'm also pretty sure they're quite hot on this already
153 BoeingVista : Shame the tomnod map sequence doesn't go up as far as china, it might be worth a nosey.. I know that the border area in southern china is a closed mi
154 F9Animal : I just can't believe there isn't a system or device installed in the multi million dollar planes that does not give a signal to where a plane is. Kind
155 LTC8K6 : What do they want an old 777 for?
156 777Jet : Is there a way for the crew or persons flying to depressurize the cabin to knock the passengers out whilst not being affected? Could that be done wit
157 MH772 : Though I can't speak for all residents of Malaysia, as a person who has been following the local media and press daily, it's fair to say that the min
158 rheinwaldner : There is one reasoning for the latter: The unusual events started exactly in the rather short timeslot, when the flight was handed over between two A
159 Post contains links and images Starlionblue : I half jokingly posted this picture four days ago. Now I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. (If you don't get the reference read here https:
160 trent900 : So considering the PSRs have 50nm range for example, any pilot would be able to stay away from areas that are covered to stay in-detected? The questi
161 jcxroberts : It's unlikely but so is everything else. The satellite images China put out as a possible plane crash ring some alarms. They have better images avail
162 nm2582 : The powers that be would be insane if they don't have fighters in the air 24/7 at this point for at least the immediate future, but with that said...
163 Starlionblue : Reasonably sure you could. Reasonably sure you can't prevent the masks. I think the system is self contained. More like 15 but correct in that it is
164 Coal : Exactly. Can they ask basically all the countries with potential radar coverage to the East and West? I find it very hard to believe that it would've
165 imagoagnitio : Presuming mainland US is the target as opposed to .................
166 Speedbird128 : Yes, however all those military forces are being incredibly tight lipped. China certainly don't want the world knowing their capabilities. Malaysia o
167 Post contains links 777Jet : Here is a link to an article "Police raid house of Malaysia Airlines pilot" - sorry if it has been posted: http://www.news.com.au/world/police-...pilo
168 BoeingVista : They would want to stop it flying into Buildings in Shanghai or Beijing.. We would be looking for a smoking hole in the ground.
169 dc863 : Not necessarily.
170 BackSeater : Can someone help try to pin down the ACARS data path? I assume that MH uses SITA as SP for ACARS. Data transmission could be via VHF to ground station
171 Coal : Not always. I fly UA frequently SIN-HKG and listen to Ch.9 when available. I find that many airlines from many different countries don't always repea
172 nm2582 : Anything could be the target; the person I was responding to suggested US mainland so I was responding to that. In reality, any country that someone
173 Speedbird128 : PSR's detect all targets at all levels - it doesn't matter if its at F390 or F90. What our systems do for me, is when I have a PSR/MSSR correlated ta
174 Starlionblue : Not necessarily. You are not required to keep repeating the call sign as long as you can be sure will be no confusion. If nothing else, this sentence
175 KIAS : 777-200ER does not have circuit breakers on the flight deck like the 737-36N. To shut off ACARS someone would have to enter the E/E bay via the main
176 garpd : If you're the only plane the ATC was talking to at that time, no really, no.
177 radone : MLE airport is exactly on the 4 hours range circle. It is a tiny (islamic) community with a large airport used to handle big charters by night, so a c
178 CaliAtenza : where are the circuit breakers for the CVR and the FDR located?
179 philask : Said as someone who knows nothing about the Maldives... seriously, you think nobody would notice at such a busy international airport?
180 garpd : Do we have confirmation of this yet? I know the WSJ is a respected paper, but so far, they are the only source of this information.
181 theaviator380 : Assuming your friend telling truth, question still remains > where is the debris? If it was shot down on course to Petronas Tower then it's obviou
182 AR385 : Agreed, but what would be the reason for that? 1) Semi-totalitarian state that really does not know how to be open with media from the entire planet,
183 Starlionblue : Indeed. It would be hard to hide a rogue Twin Otter at Male airport. It has only one runway and takes up the entirety of a tiny, pancake-flat island.
184 CaliAtenza : also you are forgetting about Diego Garcia. I'll bet you the farm that US forces have radar of coverage of the entire Indian Ocean; probably even mor
185 Post contains links JimJupiter : There's at least one stolen plane out there since 2003. They will be looking for such things anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Boeing_727-223
186 Post contains images YokoTsuno : You'd like me to ask. I can at least spot 10 right now . Pretty sure what they are gonna answer though.
187 Owleye : Maybe the two events, a low flying unidentified flying object (locals and fishermen are talking about a plane) over the Strait of Malakka (Kota Baru r
188 Starlionblue : Where's the wreckage? Quite so. I had the same thought a few threads ago. This seems very hard work just to steal a large plane for some nefarious pu
189 KIAS : Also in the e/e bay. It is really up to MAS to confirm, the EHM data is their intellectual property. As far as I know 2 snapshot reports were corrobo
190 CaliAtenza : then maybe there is hope that those weren't shut off.
191 nm2582 : random thought: the reason this engine health reporting news is so delayed in becoming public could be: There was an assumption that the people who to
192 philask : Why would a "stealth fighter / drone" be flying at commercial aircraft altitudes and in that flight path? And lets just entertain your theory, where'
193 garpd : Then we have a chance that, if the plane is ever found, we might be able to learn what actually happened! Anyone know what types of FDR and CVR Malay
194 airbuseric : The captain was on his flight simulator at home a lot, on trial missions? If the plane flew towards the Indian Ocean, and e.g. towards Somalia/Yemen,
195 philask : A 230t glider... 777 glide ratio is about 20:1 (best case) so from 35,000 ft that would be about 100 miles. We're assuming it's a lot lower than that
196 Owleye : Indeed, where is it? How trustfull is the statement of the kiwi oil ridge worker than? If it is true what he proclaims there must be something in the
197 KIAS : A simpler explanation is that he is an aviator, and enjoys building and enjoying simulators. The glider theory seems especially far-fetched.
198 Post contains images 777Jet : Or under the water, possibly on the ocean floor... Nothing can be ruled out. The Kiwi might have even been encouraged or forced to make up this as to
199 AirPacific747 : It's possible that the aircraft hasn't crashed but landed in a secret location. Until the wreckage is found, nothing is certain.
200 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : at mach .84 it's 7 hours to the Sana'a (El Rahaba Intl)], capital of Yemen; about the same for Mogadishu, capital of Somalia. http://www.gcmap.com/ma
201 Speedbird128 : No, how about this one? It was probably done to see what we would come up with on a.net... Extremely unlikely to have no floating debris left behind..
202 kevinkevin : Rolls Royce has said the engines stopped sending data the same time ATC lost contact with MH370. Sky News have just reported.
203 MillwallSean : This is a development I dint see coming. Baffled. Perplexed. Have we yet seen the cargo manifest or gotten definite answers for how much fuel that was
204 Post contains links flood : Just a heads up, press conference scheduled to begin in 5 minutes or so, provided no further delay. http://www.astroawani.com/
205 senliture : It won't has 7 hours flight distance if it flew low to avoid radar. Engines effeciency are very different at low attitude and they burn a lot more fu
206 wjcandee : Look. It's as simple as this. Appealing to folks who like high-concept, low-tech attacks. You steal the plane. You fly it somewhere comfortable. You t
207 SKAirbus : Isn't there meant to be a press conference soon?
208 Speedbird128 : I cannot write what I am thinking...
209 Owleye : Has this guy been checked?[Edited 2014-03-13 02:31:33]
210 theaviator380 : As lot of people coming with Drone or Stealth theory..that either crashed with MH370. Okay for a min let's think that's what happened but whose Drone
211 SKAirbus : Beam me up scotty? It's perplexing. The wreckage must be somewhere!!!
212 Post contains links 777Jet : About to start... Also being shown on ABC News 24 in Australia... http://english.astroawani.com/videos/live
213 Owleye : When it flew in western direction over the Strait of Malakka (like locals, fishermen and Malaysian radar tell us), it might flew to Diego Garcia?
214 pvjin : No need to fly low in middle of Indian Ocean. Is it even possible for pilots to stop the engines from sending data?
215 asteriskceo : They are claiming that the earlier WSJ claims are false.
216 nm2582 : news conference stating that news that the plane flew for 4-5 hours is "inaccurate".
217 B747forever : Just said on the press conference that the reports about the engines sending data for +4hours are incorrect.
218 JimJupiter : For those of us who can't follow it on TV or anything: Would somebody be so kind and post a summary on here? Thanks. And, please: Could we give the J
219 777Jet : Confirmation that the reports of the plane flying on for hours based on engine monitoring data are incorrect. Both RR and Boeing confirmed this to MH.
220 nm2582 : the news conference is indicating a high degree of involvement with the NTSB and FAA.
221 RickNRoll : Is there anything about this story that is correct?
222 777Jet : Reports that homes of pilots searched are not true also...
223 nm2582 : also according to news conference - reports that police visited the homes of the pilots is false...
224 Post contains links Nav20 : Point is, though, JimJupiter, that any such aeroplane would not be fully serviced and would certainly not have fuel in any quantity on board? If you
225 ThunderboltDrgn : Yes I know.
226 flood : Good on them for having cleared that up right off the bat at the press conference. How things change... looks like we're back to the oil rig guy and
227 asteriskceo : The spokesman is taking a defensive tone. "Malaysia has nothing to hide."
228 nm2582 : news conference over. nothing new offered. edit: they are moving on to the question phase now. my feed froze.[Edited 2014-03-13 02:41:50]
229 mileage : There would be many easier ways to make such an "acquisition" on the ground.... such as hijacking their taxi/bus!
230 9VSIO : Interesting that they have shared the raw data from their military radar with selected countries....
231 777Jet : MAS also said that Malaysia has released radar data that it would not normally release because this investigation is more important than protecting th
232 Starlionblue : Yes it is. You can pull the breakers in the electronics bay. This was debunked about three days ago. Due to the nature of cell phone comms, the syste
233 Speedbird128 : -Plane vanished. Last ACARS message was 0107 local time. WSJ reports of it flying for hours incorrect. RR statement aligned with this press briefing.
234 garpd : Back to square one: We know nothing more than a 777 is missing, presumed crashed.
235 B747forever : Same thing after every press conference.
236 456 : Much better news conference today... At least the transport minister is more understandable. Why dont they have such update twice a day to clear up mo
237 Speedbird128 : I personally don't believe it is due to the lack of trying. And I feel for these guys - English is clearly not their native language, and I imagine t
238 KIAS : The engine data is sent via ACARS, which could be disabled through catastrophic event or manual intervention. To shut off ACARS manually someone woul
239 slinky09 : Although very defensive in tone there were some nuggets: - The transport and defense minister was adamant that the plane did not fly on for four+ hou
240 b738flyUIA : True and all more will know when they find the missing plane. I hope to find out more about those pieces they found floating in the water.
241 liquidair : I still hope the plane landed. Far fetched, unlikely and very Hollywood. but it would mean the 239 missing might still be alive.... And thats somethin
242 garpd : Agreed. These people are surely doing their best in a language clearly not of their own. And they are perhaps overwhelmed with the astounding pressur
243 9VSIO : I'm sure he said that the engines stopped transmitting at the same time they lost contact, not that the a/c did not continue flying beyond that.
244 slinky09 : I should say that Eric Moody's comment about something being held back was based on information he received from a Boeing employee seventeen years aft
245 777Jet : I'm still listening to the press conference. Here is what I am hearing. Asked when the aircraft went missing, the last transmission was at 0107 at the
246 theaviator380 : Do you guys think MAS could be in trouble if they get lawsuit filed against them? not only publicity wise but financially?
247 ThunderboltDrgn : I think it could be something of misunderstanding and that they merely is saying that they don't have any evidence of it flying for those 4+ hours.
248 9VSIO : I see the point you're trying to make, but what if the search turns up nothing? Does one start searching the homes of the passengers? Imagine the bac
249 AirIndia : Well said. Just because it is an islamic country it is not expected to be party to such a conspiracy. Besides, the area is not an isolated dark terri
250 777Jet : The pax are not the ones sitting at the controls...
251 9VSIO : Neither are hijackers until they get into the cockpit.
252 Speedbird128 : And then everybody screams *COVERUP*. They are screwed whatever they do. I sincerely pray now that its come to light the NTSB/FAA/other agencies are
253 Post contains images KIAS : Before hitting the hay, I'd like to throw out an alternative perspective. There seem to be a lot of sensational ideas about hijacking and conspiracy,
254 AR385 : At this point, I don´t believe for a second the home of the pilots has not been searched. This would have happened even in the more open Western Worl
255 777Jet : So, which passengers homes are you going to search? We know that the pilots were in the cockpit... It would be foolish not to search the pilots homes
256 Post contains images JimJupiter : As English is not my native language, I'll now go and look up the word "fact". It seems to pop up erraticly on this site...
257 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to length this thread will be locked for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes on
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