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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65655 times:
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Due to length part 19 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 20.

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65704 times:

I was the last in the previous post, so I try again

Did anyone feel fuel load mentioned say something, if its a five and a half hour flight, why then the Captain take an extra two hour worth of fuel and more to be burnt enroute, was fog forcasted in Beijing? No wonder MH loses money, does that gave a red herring away?

Have backgrounds of both pilots been throughly checked, (skipper's charity work) nor the crew or the Iranian men with European passport holder.Malaysian officials. Does the four hours endurace gave them enough time to Afganistan or the more 'difficult' side of Pakistan or other -stans? Though it would be hard to get un-notice if they follow European flight's route and overflew India, as there are dozens of flight bound for Europe at the time, but I hope none of these things were true. If lower attitude, how low as low flying burn a lot more fuel. Have all the ground staff also been checked?

At the moment, Malaysian officals are losing the plot how to handle the situations they try to deny any possible links, the eariler thins come clean, the less suspisicion towards (cover up) it is.

What about maintanece record, any problem with pressuration with the craft, could be just de-pressuration, in-capicated crew as crew try to return but either way chance for those on board are slim.

Kev



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65737 times:

from the last thread.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 104):
WSJ has probably read too much from blogs like this and failed to separate fact from speculations. Very poor journalism IMO.
Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 125):

WSJ is a crap paper no offense. I watched them closely over foreign affairs issues and like 80% of what they write is unsubstantiated much like the current article. There is actually no evidence at all in the article.

Looks like the WSJ was right. will you guys retract what you posted? I doubt you will, but prove me wrong.


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65537 times:

The Kidd is apparently going to search the North Malacca Straits area, so the four hour flight doesn't match that, either.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...tes#block-5321df8be4b0bde291cd076a


User currently offlinetim73 From Finland, joined Nov 2013, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65560 times:

There is one possible sighting via Tomnod (article in Finnish) :

http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/Tutkija+ar...+kadonnut+lentokone/a1394680271317

The photo looks very interesting, does not resemble ship at all.

[Edited 2014-03-13 10:15:27]

User currently offlineMark2fly1034 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65344 times:

Just heard the two US destroyer ships are going to search more south and west of the current area. Seems they may.... or may not no something. I also like the idea of mid air collision with maybe a fighter jet of some kind.

User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65370 times:

Per US there is indication that Jet crashed in Indian Ocean

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...hed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802


Could this be it? Hope it turns out to be true!


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65340 times:

Quoting katekebo (Reply 241):
Unless US Navy, RR or Boeing confirm what WSJ and ABC say (and contradict Malaysian official reports), I would give them "zero" value to both WSJ and ABC articles.

Due respect, I think it is plainly obvious to nearly everyone but you that it is the "Malaysian Officials" who have zero credibility at this point. I do not understand how anyone could conceivably defend the Malaysian government on this subject given what we've all seen and heard this week. Reality Check.



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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1747 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65354 times:

Quoting KIAS (Reply 248):
To shut off ACARS someone would have to enter the E/E bay via the main deck access panel and tamper with the AIMS cabinet in the back of the bay.


If you just pull the CB's for the VHF, HF, and SATCOM which I believe are located in the cockpit you've in effect disabled the ACARS.


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65164 times:

Quote:
Stephen Trimble ‏@FG_STrim 6m

Just spoke to US Navy: USS Kidd moving now to western area of Straits of Malacca
at request of Malaysian govt to search for #MH370

Stephen Trimble ‏@FG_STrim 49s

@AirlineFlyer US Navy is emphasizing the USS Kidd are not going deep into
the Indian Ocean, but staying within the Straits of Malacca.

http://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/444157848055197696
http://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/444159541236989952

Haven't seen that bolded statement before,

[Edited 2014-03-13 10:17:19]


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 65207 times:

Quote:
India’s search team has been asked to explore “very specific coordinates in the Andaman Sea,” said Syed Akbaruddin, a spokesman for the Indian foreign ministry, without elaborating on those coordinates.

Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...to-have-flown-with-beacon-off.html

Also, Reuters on data: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/444156014141526016

[Edited 2014-03-13 10:20:46]


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User currently offlinegr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64947 times:

Quoting tim73 (Reply 4):
There is one possible sighting via Tomnod (article in Finnish) :

http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/Tutkija+ar...+kadonnut+lentokone/a1394680271317

The photo looks very interesting, does not resemble ship at all.

Dont want to sound stupid, but couldnt that be a whale?



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User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64952 times:

Quoting Mark2fly1034 (Reply 5):
I also like the idea of mid air collision with maybe a fighter jet of some kind.
Quoting 747megatop (Reply 6):
Hope it turns out to be true!

poor choice of words, come on.... 239 people, remember????


User currently onlinebellancacf From United States of America, joined May 2011, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64705 times:

Would anyone object if I reposted this; it was the last item in Thread 19, which got locked as I was writing it!

I slept on this before tossing in my opinion, and now I really ought to check the intervening posts, but that would take a long time, so, apologies if this has been covered.

In thread 17, post 146, dandelany put up images which showed various levels of image processing of an image from ca. 7.54 N and 103.01E.

For what it's worth, I'm a retired microscopist/physiologist/programmer who worked on tissue structure at the limits of light resolution and got pretty heavily into digital images, to the point of writing an image processing package and feature extraction and quantitation scripts.

The final couple of images that dandelany posted I have to say I find 95% convincing. I think that's a plane. It would make sense, I think. The Gulf of Thailand is so shallow that if you were to stand a 777 on its nose at a location with average depth, the tail empennage would be above the surface. If there were a planar, reflective, high albedo object on the bottom, then, with illumination and viewing direction both aligned with the normal to the object's surface, there very well might be an increased return back up to and through the surface of the water. Not to make a tight statistical case for it, but consider that if there were just a "V" shape in the image (wings, say), then you'd consider a certain probability of it being your "target". But put another shape of the right size at the right relative position, and the probability of it being just coincidence ("noise") drops sharply. Put yet another shape in the image at the desired location and it drops even more.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that there is a plane lying flat on the bottom at that location.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64716 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 2):

Looks like the WSJ was right. will you guys retract what you posted? I doubt you will, but prove me wrong.

Noooooooooooo. USN confirmed its sending USS KIidd off Malacca but technically in the Indian Ocean. That's hardly a 4-5 journey that WSJ claimed and MH and RR both deny engine transmission.

Whats your source that WSJ is right?


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64474 times:

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 1):

Did anyone feel fuel load mentioned say something, if its a five and a half hour flight, why then the Captain take an extra two hour worth of fuel and more to be burnt enroute, was fog forcasted in Beijing? No wonder MH loses money, does that gave a red herring away?

Is this a serious question? Do you think airliners land and make it to the gate with almost 0 fuel, or do you think they carry extra fuel for diverts, emergencies, changing weather, etc?

Plus, I don't even think pilots are able to tell the refuelers to add more fuel, I could be wrong on that regard, but it would be very bizarre if an airliner carried 5.5 hours worth of fuel for a 5.5 hour flight



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64249 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 2):

Looks like the WSJ was right.

Really? Have you not seen the past 300 responses to WSJ?


User currently offlineTrin From United States of America, joined May 2011, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64257 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 9):
Quote:
Stephen Trimble ‏@FG_STrim 6m

Just spoke to US Navy: USS Kidd moving now to western area of Straits of Malacca
at request of Malaysian govt to search for #MH370

Stephen Trimble ‏@FG_STrim 49s

@AirlineFlyer US Navy is emphasizing the USS Kidd are not going deep into
the Indian Ocean, but staying within the Straits of Malacca.

As I posted towards the end of the last thread before it was locked, I recall back directly after the loss of this flight, the Malaysian authorities did announce that they had enlisted the help of the U.S./NTSB in interpreting their own radar images of the airspace over the Malaysian peninsula in the hours that followed MH-370's disappearance. With the previous statement (good luck finding it!) that 'Engine Data' not responsible for the focus on the Indian Ocean search area, I can only conclude that the aforementioned radar image examination provided at least sufficient evidence of an unidentified craft flying over Malaysia and into the Adaman Sea/western Straits of Malacca.



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User currently offlineJimJupiter From Germany, joined Sep 2011, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 63994 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 14):
Whats your source that WSJ is right?

I guess it's the always popular "random guy on twitter".  



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User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 64005 times:

Quoting laddb (Reply 158):
As interesting as the many theories are, remember Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

I agree with Occam's Razor. In this case the aircraft said "good night" to Malaysia ATC and never checked in with Vietnam ATC. They would simply change the frequency and immediately call in. Never happened.

So what is the simplest solution?
1. They never dialed in intentionally. Logic tells you they didn't have a catastrophic failure at the exact moment of transfer between two countries while changing radio frequencies. No debris at that location because the plane isn't there. (I think I have a better chance of winning Mega-Millions forty weeks in a row.)
2. They wanted Malaysia ATC to stop tracking them, and they never asked Vietnam to track them.
3. They disabled all transponder transmission, most likely pulled the fuse. The intent was not to be tracked.
4. They then went wherever the went with a perfectly serviceable aircraft.
5. The reason why the aircraft can't be found is they don't want to be found. Occam's razor.
6. The reason why conflicting information is coming from the military is they know far more than they are saying.

Why would you not want to be found?
7. If you can land and hide an airplane in a third word landing strip you could have a $300,000,000 asset.
8. If I were to want something perhaps it makes more sense to do it through the correct channels not through the media.
9. Suicide fails the razor.
10. Hijack is possible.
11. Theft is possible. (Think somalian theft of ships)
12. Catastrophic failure fails the razor.
13. Military intervention is possible.

I would look at every landing strip within six hours of KUL that could land a B777.
Remember bombers were hidden in WWII from view through on ground camouflage.



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User currently offlinetim73 From Finland, joined Nov 2013, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 63781 times:

Quoting gr325 (Reply 11):


Dont want to sound stupid, but couldnt that be a whale?

Well, in the article a leading investigator from the Finnish Accident investigation Center says it is definitely interesting and should be checked out. Seems to have 3 stripes and that plane has three stripes in some places.


User currently offlineTrin From United States of America, joined May 2011, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 63562 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 19):
I would look at every landing strip within six hours of KUL that could land a B777.
Remember bombers were hidden in WWII from view through on ground camouflage.

If that's your result of your Occam's razor interpretation, then I think we are failing to understand the premise behind Occam's razor. The most *likely* explanation is hikjacking by pirates and landing somewhere secret?   



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User currently offlinetheaviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 63567 times:

Let's talk about this theory.

Getting shot down by missile or collision with drone or Stealth does sound possible, this could be the reason why there was no distress call, Pilots might not had an opportunity to do anything at all.

However saying that why plane changed it's course towards Mallaca Straits? does that mean it changed the course by mistake hence it was shot down or someone forced jet to change it's course hence it was shot down? this still remains big question.

Indian navy moving at special co-ordinates, USS Kidd going to western area of Mallaca Straits, interesting development.

[Edited 2014-03-13 10:34:09]

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 63312 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 16):
Really? Have you not seen the past 300 responses to WSJ?

The separate Reuters link (in my reply above) does lend credibility to the WSJ.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
Also, Reuters on data: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/444156014141526016

It's obvious that you have a bone to pick with the WSJ, but more and more news is coming in that is in line with what they have said.



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User currently offlinekatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 63945 times:

From The Guardian

Quote:
The Pentagon has told the Guardian that the US is moving the USS Kidd destroyer northwest through the Strait of Malacca.

A Pentagon spokesman said he could not confirm that the Pentagon was moving the USS Kidd to search the Indian Ocean but that it is searching the Strait of Malacca, the same area searched by a P-3C surveillance aircraft a few days ago.

The Malaysians requested that a ship come and search the same area the plane had already searched, the spokesman said.

So apparently the "incompetent"Malaysian authorities are still in charge and the US Navy is OK with it.
The WSJ report about ACARS being sent for 4 hours after loss of contact has been dismissed by several sources.

So much for ABC and WSJ credibility.

The whole confusion has been driven by:
1) Irresponsible news outlets that have been spreading rumors (in order to increase readership and hence advertising revenue)
2) Poor translation of Malaysian official statements.

Yes, the Malaysian authorities have released very little information - because they don't (and can't) share unverified data. It's better to stay quiet than spread rumors. If they are not sharing more information it's because they don't have any.


25 IADCA : Why does suicide fail the razor? All that is unexplained in a suicide theory, really, is (1) where the second pilot was during the hypothetical suici
26 affirmative : Right, I have sifted through the last 10 or so threads. I baffled as to the copious amount of duplicate questions and lack of understanding of given a
27 richierich : Agreed, Trin. Billreid, the simplest answer is that the plane crashed on its intended course (minimal changes of heading) and the wreckage hasn't bee
28 packcheer : I have been reading the past 19 parts and just wanted to throw in the two theories I see most likely. 1) mechanical/communications/instrument failure.
29 VC315 : so i'll give it another go since just minutes after my last post Part 19 is locked. ------------------- Is there a way we can have a sorted list of wh
30 rightrudder : The numbers of the flight, 3 and 7 coincide with the month (March) and date (7th) of it's last know contact. Maybe just a coincidence though. I have r
31 richierich : Actually did not notice that before but what does this mean? Absolutely nothing...
32 marktci : You are aware that this was the March 8th flight, right?
33 456 : Ok. I have been offline for some hrs but am I right, when reading some news sites and this forum, that 2 old rumors are now merged to 1 rumor: - plane
34 nupogodi : You are wrong. They definitely can. Pilots have the final say on fuel load. If you constantly take additional fuel that isn't required, your employer
35 OTF : This has been debunked by RR, they lost contact with the engines at the same time contact was lost with everything else.
36 Kaiarahi : From the Guardian, a short time ago: "The Pentagon has told the Guardian that the US is moving the USS Kidd destroyer northwest through the Strait of
37 N328KF : Why do we have to keep rehashing the same crap? RR has to go through investigators. What information is officially released has to be through them, a
38 flyorski : That depends on the airline. With some airlines if the pilots want more they get it. With other airlines the pilots have to contact the flight dispat
39 hivue : One problem may be that with the incident having gone on this long with no result the media have started scraping the bottom of the barrel of their "
40 KIAS : No. The circuit breakers are located in the E/E bay. Yes, and worth noting again that the raw EHM data is the intellectual property of the airline (M
41 hz747300 : I think this just proves that anything can happen. In this day and age, we cannot find a modern jetliner after six days in what has to be a relatively
42 747megatop : Does the Indian navy have the equipment and the expertise to do underwater searches? Or is this going to be just a visual search for floating debris
43 DocLightning : Trending all over FaceBook now. I wonder what the "indication" was. We'll never find out, since I'm sure it's a closely-guarded secret how they found
44 2008matt : Say the aircraft did ditch on the water in largely one piece, what sort of thing would they be looking for floating in the water?
45 hivue : Someone posted way up-thread that ACARS engine data is often used by engine manufacturers for power by the hour data. Doesn't seem logical for that t
46 trex8 : But you couldn't ransom the plane and you can't sell it on eBay or even the parts except to a.nut collectors so its worth nothing. They could try ran
47 huxrules : The Indian Navy does have some shallow water sonars. I was once on a bid package to supply them some training. Didn't win the bid. However when it do
48 Post contains links PIKtoYEG : http://www.theguardian.com/world/blo...-by-chinese-satellite-live-updates White House Press Conf: New search area in Indian Ocean Jay Carney, the Whit
49 Post contains images David L : In many cases a bit worse than that, I think. There have been some fairly liberal "interpretations". Further evidence that the Malaysians are not the
50 slinky09 : Until there is hard evidence - floating debris, sensing of the ELTs, and intact airliner at a jungle airstrip (unlikely), or other - whatever the US '
51 Trin : From CNN now: "White House says recent information has opened possibility of a new search area in Indian Ocean for missing airliner. Officials deny re
52 ANITIX87 : What an odd question. If the plane ditched "in one piece" they'd be looking for a plane....no? TIS
53 CaliAtenza : so that means that there is some credence again to the theory the plane cross over malaysia/thailand and ended up on the other side.
54 rebr : No, it would sink, and he specifically asked what you may look for that is still floating around...
55 redflyer : Well, the White House is now confirming they are going to consider deploying assets to the Indian Ocean to engage in the search. I would think they w
56 Trin : Correct and - as far as I can discern - it's NOT from ACARS/RR engine transmissions. Like I said before - I am sure that they have had time to study
57 MarcoT : Right: why we have to continuosly reahash this crap? In the conference this morning the Malaysian authorities did speak on behalf of RR and Boeing (a
58 neoshi : Well, not exactly. The plane itself would sink but buoyant pieces from the plane still float (composites, interior trim, seat cushions, life jackets,
59 PGNCS : I am not entering the speculative fray here inasmuch as I don't know what happened. I will, however, comment on this: Yes we can. Yes you are. You are
60 sennabestever : This is probably way far fetched but since I know nothing about space and how high commercial airlines can get I'll throw it out there just for my own
61 captainx : Did the radar at Banda Aceh airport at the tip of Indonesia report anything? Seems they would be involved.
62 IADLHR : According to the way that statement was said, I guess thats what they are saying. If it did ditch "in one piece" does anyone know how long it could h
63 IADCA : No. That's essentially what a service ceiling is. The wings are only able to produce enough lift to hold it at a certain altitude, no matter whether
64 Boeing717200 : No. Air is too thin. Plane stalls and crashes.
65 David L : As in Single Stage to Orbit?
66 Kaiarahi : What the spokesman actually said was “It is my understanding that one possible piece of information, or pieces of information, has led to the possi
67 Post contains links and images flyingturtle : Thank you for your inputs, but... Just to stir that thing up, and to debunk some things... Given the evidence we have, MH370 having been snatched by a
68 7BOEING7 : The L, R, C VHF and the L, R HF circuit breakers are on the aft overhead panel on the diagram I'm looking at -- SATCOM is there also but I'm guessing
69 Kaiarahi : Mandala499 answered several threads ago that there were no traces recorded by Indonesian radar.
70 davidzill : Thread 17, post 146 (TOMNOD image). Look at the pictures closely. If this isn't 370, this is someone's airplane. What is the geographical location?
71 Summa767 : I hope they tell us what new information is leading towards the Indian Ocean search possibility. Is it the radar, US satellites picking up something,
72 captainx : Bloomberg: "With no evidence of a mechanical failure or pilot error, U.S. investigators are treating the disappearance as a case of air piracy, though
73 PIKtoYEG : Billie Vincent - Former FAA Security Director - on CNN: "I find it improbable the plane crashed. The US Navy is not redeploying assets to a different
74 kmot : I agree that this looks like a plane. We will just have to wait it out and see if they can locate it somewhere else. Fingers crossed that they find t
75 IADLHR : I have to say this story is getting very creepy. I was channel surfing on tv a few hours ago and heard on one channel that the home of the pilot was
76 Post contains links PanAmPaul : It now appears that the White House is involved a bit more in the search, to wit: White House Says Search for Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane May Wide
77 n471wn : Everyone knows that including the airline---he was a very good pilot and studied aviation all the time--nothing odd about that
78 redflyer : Ok, so obviously that "possible piece of information, or pieces of information" is sufficiently credible to deploy assets to the IO side of the penin
79 Kaiarahi : It's important not to confuse two different developments. 1) USS Kidd is deploying to an area in the Malacca Strait that has recently been searched b
80 JimJupiter : No. It means they think it might have flown way longer.
81 na : A widely know fact published numerous times. Raided or visited?
82 Post contains images airbuseric : The 'plane' image you're mentioning about are found at this location: I agree that it looks like a 777
83 AR385 : So. Wouldn´t by this time debris have started washing up on some coast? I don´t know the currents but I think that´s plausible. Has nobody seen any
84 CaliAtenza : are there any islands or remote strips in the Indian Ocean that both India and the US don't know about?
85 IADLHR : The channel dedfinitely said raided. They also said there had been prior visits to the house.
86 456 : Any idea / have they said how much time each operation will take before they get any result?
87 JimJupiter : A police (?) spokesman denied this report(s) at their latest press conference.
88 N328KF : You say a pilot, who has a professional, and likely personal interest in aviation, has a kickass flight simulator rig at home? Conspiracy!
89 Kaiarahi : According to the US Navy, the deployment of USS Kidd was in response to a request from Malaysian authorities who, under international law, are leadin
90 timothy31388 : He is one of many pilots that have their own flight simulators at home. Nothing unusual about that.
91 IADLHR : I have thought of that too. There might be some places they know about but dont think it could be there because it is so remote. I just find it impos
92 pvjin : I believe the main simulator he was using is Flight Simulator X. I thought about it myself, for example if someone flew a 777 from Kuala Lumpur to Mo
93 rebr : An island/strip they don't know about? Lots of nope
94 Kaiarahi : Think surveillance satellites, Diego Garcia, even Google earth. No!
95 bellancacf : And a moderately intact one at that. I'd get a diver down there right away.
96 Post contains images flyingturtle : The location can be found in this error message: {"id":4894,"overlay_id":1226,"lat":7.541126,"lon":103.011956,"status":1,"msg":"Retrieved map ID = 48
97 Post contains links rightrudder : Yes, I am very flightaware. There is a difference between Malaysia Time (MYT) and Central Standard Time (CST) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/M...
98 DeltaMD90 : Really? I think it looks like a pixelated mess. I thought this picture has been debunked already a while ago?
99 na : That plane is underwater, bet on it. Otherwise the black box would have been detected by now, or someone on land will have seen something. If there is
100 Stretch : My understanding is that under international treaties, nobody acts without the request/permission of the nation of ownership, in this case Malaysia.
101 Post contains links FltAdmiralRitt : Here is a quick run through of the 777 systems. again a very modern plane....even the 200 series. http://books.google.com/books?id=NDW...onics%20bay%2
102 captainx : It only takes 6000 feet to land a 777.
103 PIKtoYEG : Anyone citing current media reports are doing so in the full knowledge that none of us have the raw facts. (If it did end up in, or near, the Indian
104 Post contains links CaliAtenza : http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/13/malaysia-plane-pasztor The radio interview with Andy Pastor, the journalist that broke the story about the plane
105 na : For a good pilot. At daylight. Or at least on a very well lit place. With its instruments working.
106 Tobias2702 : I also think that the (color/contrast processed) image looks like a plane. Note that when travelling two fields to the right and two/three down, one
107 trnswrld : I thought a while back everyone here said that the reports of engine data being sent out hours after the point of lost contact was confirmed not true?
108 stuyyz : Anybody know at what intervals the RR data is supposed to be sent? every 20mins? Indeed, except at least there are fewer mentions of passports and ce
109 CaliAtenza : read up what i said about Andy Pastor. He specifically stated the engine maintenance program stopped, but he said there were other ways of getting da
110 bellancacf : That's the trouble. Having stared at pixels for a decade or so, I can't make it look like noise. Not claiming any particular abilities, but just sayi
111 PIKtoYEG : yeah that's what i was saying above in Reply 108. Complete contradictions. Seems like nothing's happening in the Ukraine anymore, so this is the stor
112 SeeTheWorld : Now Malaysia is saying they have data pings many hours after lost contact .... He's right ... and this is all CNN is talking about ... The focus seems
113 redflyer : With respect, I think you're letting your prejudices get in the way of a good discussion. I never implied in any way, shape, or form that "western he
114 CaliAtenza : Thats right. When Andy said the plane could have landed though..i mean what remote strips are out there....that aren't under the watch of either Indi
115 Kaiarahi : INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION ON CIVIL AVIATION ANNEX 13 5.1 The State of Occurrence shall institute an investigation into the circumstances of the accide
116 JimJupiter : I (and probably others) am turning to a.net to escape exactly this. But it's very frustrating this time around...
117 laurco : This from the WSJ website - they published a correction that the data signal did not come from the engines. Corrections & Amplifications U.S. inv
118 flyingturtle : I think Starlionblue mentioned 4500 ft for a lightly loaded/fueled 777, and 3000 ft if you have balls (and don't plan to take off again). On a grass
119 ComeAndGo : Three times per flight: one takeoff, two climb, three sometime during cruise.
120 katekebo : The only official communication has been: The plane "disappeared" at 1:30. Everything else has been pure speculation by news outlets and a-netters. I
121 175erj : Malaysia is now confirming to the United States that there were indeed 'pings' sent from the aircraft after it disappeared on radar. This is not neces
122 CaliAtenza : Honestly the Indian Ocean scenario makes a lot of sense. We have had 8 days of search in the South China sea, by 40 ships and aircraft; something woul
123 KIAS : Indeed. It's really silly to suggest a pilot with over 18k hours is somehow a criminal because he enjoys flight sims. Typically, EHM data is sent dur
124 CaliAtenza : Well that confirms Andy's reporting. What other systems does the plane have onboard that can ping/query a ground station or satellite? Is this the AC
125 btblue : I've fiddled with the contrast on this and I assure you, it looks very 777 like. Certainly needs following up... Wings reflecting light, fuselage bro
126 marktci : So you're suggesting that there may be some significance in the fact that two of the three digits in the flight number correspond to the month and da
127 acabgd : Best post out of all 20 threads for this topic!
128 captainx : Sure looks like it was on a bee-line to Sri Lanka.
129 PW100 : Well, an official accident investigation has not been launched yet (if I'm wrong, please point us to the relevant air accident investigation branch).
130 PlanesNTrains : This was already discussed some time ago. The plane is more than capable of stopping in less than 6000 ft given a variety of conditions and circumsta
131 ryu2 : If this is accurate, it could also be another intentional move to fly unnoticed (avoiding traffic inbetween FL290 and FL300)
132 Post contains images btblue : And this is the image when it's had the exposure changed. Could be clouds... but looks very angular and aircraft like. With the largest structures in
133 kmot : In order to debunk the idea that the image is due to compression, I would like to see a second satellite image of the same site before and after to s
134 Kaiarahi : It's on the record - the last ACARS transmission (which may or may not have included engine data) was at 01:07 local). The transponder went dead at 0
135 katekebo : Which is exactly what they have been saying since day one - that they have unidentified radar tracks ("pings") that could indicate that the airplane
136 N328KF : You keep asserting that RR and Boeing are at liberty to do so.
137 art : I would like to bring up the use of mobile phones and computers accessing the internet by passengers. If mobile phone use was permitted, were any call
138 theaviator380 : Why there is no news about Vietnam ATC person being questioned...Malaysians trusting that plane never contacted Vietnam ATC ?
139 CaliAtenza : MH already said this plane wasn't fitted with the system that allows for in flight use of cellular telephones. That theory was debunked a long time a
140 Mitico12 : The contents of a fully loaded Boeing 777, I suspect, are capable of floating - such as the overhead bins, catering items, seat cushions, toilets. Not
141 katekebo : Cell phones don't work over ocean / sea. The coverage extends a few miles from the shore, at best.
142 CaliAtenza : Didn't that SA jumbo, the combi i think it was, go down in this same area...was anything found floating then?
143 IADCA : Because it has likely already happened in a manner similar to this most-unnewsworthy conversation: Investigator: "Did MH 370 ever check in with you?"
144 sebring : The WSJ is reporting now that it was SATCOM ready signals, not ACARS messaging. No data was transmitted, so RR and Boeing have nothing substantive to
145 Post contains images flyingturtle : Well, rather be safe than sorry - and I'm sure somebody has tagged this in Tomnod, or even relayed it directly to the Malaysian authorities. Though I
146 Post contains images scbriml : Save someone? What would they have been breathing for the last five to six days while submerged?
147 Kaiarahi : It doesn't. See the International Convention on Civil Aviation, Annex 13, articles 3.2 and 5.4 regarding the collection and safeguarding of informati
148 Mitico12 : Looks like the shape of an aircraft, however, in my opinion, this would have to be a very "neat" and "orderly" crash for it to appear this way on Tom
149 Trin : Ummm......'kay. Also known as ACARS? What - what are we looking at here? If it's NOT ACARS, NOT transponder radar signatures, NOT the (now infamous)
150 Post contains links redflyer : “We continue to monitor the situation and to offer Malaysia Airlines our support,” a Rolls-Royce spokesperson said, while declining to make furthe
151 boacvc10 : Well, given some glimmer of hope that the aircraft may be located, let me say this: others will yell at me, but I know from practical radio operator
152 747megatop : Not an odd question at all if you read his post carefully; he actually asked what would they be searching for floating on the water. My guess would b
153 kmot : The idea is that this is an image of a submerged aircraft. Theory: Controlled water landing (such as in the Hudson incident) the aircraft then settle
154 nupogodi : The 404th and it can't be found... What a coincidence.
155 JHwk : Suicide itself may fail the razor, but idea of a hijack with intent to crash the airplane in a place it won't be found is substantially more likely t
156 Post contains images David L : That's a few times now that I've started to prepare a reply only to discover that you've beaten me to it.
157 PW100 : Not strange,, they still are . . .
158 Post contains images 747megatop : Among 20 threads of speculation; this is ONE speculation that takes it to an entirely new level that deserves and award . Why should NASA (or any oth
159 Post contains images Trin : CNN's story on this mystery states the following as of this afternoon: "Malaysian authorities believe they have several "pings" of engine data from th
160 solarflyer22 : lol, AP just Tweeted that Whitehouse source confirmed no electronic signals from MH370 after disappearance. As of 4:01 PM EST.
161 sebring : SATCOM is not ACARS. As the WSJ reporter explains, SATCOM is like a faucet, ACARS is what flows through it. With SATCOM, the system is searching auto
162 aw70 : My theory is that one of the pilots suffered from an undetected paranoid mental illness of some sort, and took the a/c rogue because of this I’ll tr
163 CaliAtenza : okay hang on, this is so damn confusing now. One minute its there are "pings", next minute its "no electronic signals".
164 LTC8K6 : A ping is simply the reflection you get with primary radar. It's not a signal from the plane. It's a reflection.[Edited 2014-03-13 13:15:04]
165 Post contains images Trin : Thanks for the clarification. I understand now.
166 AR385 : Your theory is at least more viable than the 777-as-a-rocket one, but since there seems to be a degree of planning to the disappearance by the crew (
167 Post contains images Trin : I understand that you have put a lot of effort and time into thinking through your theory, and in typing it out - but I'm afraid it's just not very l
168 Post contains links iceswe : Possible clarification of 'pings' on WSJ: Throughout the roughly four hours after the jet dropped from civilian radar screens, these people said, the
169 ComeAndGo : Except, the plane does not have a Satcom antenna. So, no faucet & no information can flow through !
170 Post contains links aftgaffe : AP now reporting no data downlink after secondary radar contact was lost. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-so...e-no-data-after-contact-lost-plane St
171 katekebo : I think people are confusing "pings" with SATCOM communications. The "pings" refer to radar echo that was observed and reported by the Malaysian auth
172 hivue : As I mentioned above, I think the media may have run out of intelligent "anonymous senior officials" and are now having to go to their stock of not s
173 LTC8K6 : IIRC, it does have SATCOM antennas, just not the same ones mentioned in the AD. It has a different type, imo.
174 hivue : Got a source?
175 IADCA : It also lacks an explanation for what happened to the other flight crew member. You'd need him to be absent from the cockpit at the exact moment of A
176 hivue : Sounds pretty rational to me: "The official said Thursday that investigators are beginning to explore whether the plane may have flown for another fo
177 Post contains images stuyyz : I agree.
178 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/3/7/0871737.jpg Above the third door. Flat plate SATCOM antenna? And one on the opposite side as
179 rightrudder : Just stating a fact. Flight 370 departed on 3/7 and was last detected on 3/7. Others have stated that the flight was on 3/8..
180 aw70 : I am aware of this. However, and perhaps this is why I wrote this, I had the questionable honour of witnessing one acquaintance descending into a som
181 rebr : Really, I can think of 10 different scenarios that are all "plausible" explanations. But it is still all speculative. There seems to be only one conf
182 iberiadc852 : I would say the pilot's mental issue fits the simplest explanation, (Occam's razor) in the way you would "only" need that happening to lock the other
183 katekebo : Exactly. Contrary to what many people here are saying "Why are the not looking (insert place here) because some anonymous source said that the plane
184 SeeTheWorld : This theory makes more sense if it were a well-planned suicide ... incapacitate the other pilot and take the plane into very deep waters where radar
185 marktci : But the flight was on 3/8.
186 Boogyjay : The SDU (Satcom Data Unit) is a transceiver that log in to the satellite constellation. As long as the onboard system is on (the breakers are in the
187 Post contains links s5daw : And this is how you monetize deaths of 230 people. I you haven't noticed, media is just making up Bravo Sierra, because people will watch whatever th
188 LTC8K6 : Now we can't even figure out what day it was...
189 aftgaffe : 4 hours in what direction? And where'd they get 4 hours from? Would need some info other than estimated fuel on board and inability of searchers thus
190 deconz : I think you need to check which side of the International Date Line you are referring to. Flight departed 08 March KUL time!!!
191 BoeingBear : Let me share with you four reasons why I disagree: EgyptAir 990 SilkAir 185 LAM 470 Ethiopian 702 (17 Feb 2014) I have a world of respect for pilots
192 B747forever : True, pilots are humans too and can go crazy. See B6 191 for instance.
193 rebr : Actually, there are many more ways that can happen, for example the pilots where flying blind (no instrumentation as to where they were going), but t
194 Post contains links katekebo : On a lighter note, if you complaint about speculation on A-net, look at this gem: http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...cts-jet-will-be-found-by-Satu
195 Post contains links flymia : Tell that to JetBlue: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/03/travel/jetblue-pilot-verdict/ It is not like pilots go through test like FBI agents go through, o
196 hivue : So they sit around and do nothing until they have that info?
197 boacvc10 : so ... the signals emanating from (HF, VHF, UHF, whatever) transmitter that still had dc battery power was picked up by the footprint of a satellite
198 s5daw : If I'm not mistaken it IS in realm of physics for the plane to spontaneously disappear on the quantum level - it's just bloody unlikely. Something to
199 captainx : Your ISP continually pings your cable modem and your cable modem continually pings your router and your router continually pings your PC even when no
200 BoeingBear : In a small airplane and/or with inexperienced pilots, you're right ... there are a LOT of ways that can happen. I pray that I'm never the guy in one
201 capri : only explanation left is surreal, sucked in by black hole that went into a timeless and/or spaceless dimension that none of us know it exists yet in
202 bynary : Although we first read initial reports in USA of a lost aircraft around 7:30pm EST, on Friday, 7 March 2014, the local time (Kuala Lumpur) of the depa
203 pvjin : True, and what should be noted is short time between MH370 and the Ethiopian hijack & LAM crash. It definitely does raise some concerns whether s
204 Ecflyer : On 9/11/2001 I was working in 2 World Financial Center. Got to work about 7:45am. When AA11 struck 1 WTC, most of my colleagues were convinced it was
205 Post contains images flyingturtle : This scenario is very much the same as I laid out in one of the previous threads. Somehow we need speculation, perhaps it's the way to get our brains
206 aklrno : Well, if you are into inane numerology consider that the flight number starts with 3 and 7 and the aircraft type is 777. Anyone who thinks this means
207 solarflyer22 : Yeah, that's a great point. I am sure they hit that first patch hard with search and rescue craft too. It's a shame to think that way but we probably
208 FltAdmiralRitt : Air France 447 did leave some larger debris on the surface, but you will recall it impacted the water with almost level wings and belly flopped, stall
209 aftgaffe : Is that what you think I'm suggesting they do? Obviously not. My point was that "we think the aircraft flew for 4 more hours cause of the fuel on boa
210 richierich : Oh holy hell. The flight was scheduled to leave KUL after midnight 3/8 and did leave KUL on 3/8. It went missing an hour so later on 3/8. Parts of th
211 Post contains links SSTeve : For what it's worth, a "ping" in data network terminology means: "query (another computer on a network) to determine whether there is a connection to
212 Ecflyer : Reply 62 is awesome. "If you get stuck between the Moon and New York City...."[Edited 2014-03-13 14:21:35]
213 Post contains links PIKtoYEG : It's on the record - the last ACARS transmission (which may or may not have included engine data) was at 01:07 local). The transponder went dead at 0
214 hivue : I'm beginning to agree with that point of view.
215 Trin : For depression, yes - and it is very common to find people who hide all symptoms of that disorder. The OP's theory, however, talked about a 'paranoid
216 Post contains links 747megatop : For those folks interested in some details on the Geography of the region and the depths involved in the Indian Ocean i found an interesting link here
217 jcxroberts : Anything else on the landing hypothesis ? It also explains the lack of a crash site.
218 silentbob : With digital transmissions, you either get them or you don't.
219 Speedbird128 : That would be Boeing 747-200b Combi, SA295 Helderberg, TPE-MRU-JNB. Crashed off the coast of Mauritiius due to on-board fire, cause unknown...
220 747-600X : Occam's razor appears to be misunderstood, here. The philosophy suggests that the conclusion regarding an unknown which involves the fewest assumption
221 AR385 : Yes, I agree. My classmate in my MBA killed himself 6 months before graduation. You would never have known by looking at him or seeing how active he
222 Post contains links aftgaffe : From WSJ: Malaysia gave India a "detailed" list of coordinates to search. 10 bucks says Malaysia did not come up with this detailed list but in all ev
223 hivue : It took one 767 each to bring down the WTC towers. A 777 gone totally missing is indeed not a comfortable thought.
224 hivue : Could just be parceling out the work.
225 BruceSmith : boacvc10's comments on VHF propagation got me think about the VHF and HF radios on the 777. My brother is a radio ham and we've both worked with power
226 Post contains images Trin : And still news sources fail to understand pings from ACARS messages and the like. "Officials to CNN: "Pings" of engine data were sent hours after the
227 456 : Aha. This could make sense Source:http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/13/mh370-no-sign-of-debris-detected-by-chinese-satellite-live-updates
228 Western727 : Correct. The aircraft took off after midnight local time on 8 March...and not 7 March, which was the date in most of the rest of the world when MH370
229 Mitico12 : Well, in all fairness to the situation, you can't expect the Malaysian authorities to just say to India..."Hey, send a few ships out there...you know
230 Western727 : "Mere" 767-200s, too.
231 SEPilot : After following most of these threads, and thinking things through, what I come up with is this: 1. If it had been some catastrophic mechanical failur
232 ComeAndGo : They're talking about radar "pings" and not data pings. Plus the radar pings can come from any aircraft that would've flown through that airspace at
233 nupogodi : Not exactly. Radio exists in the analog world. It is possible to receive a noisy transmission that you cannot decode, but you still "got it". That be
234 BooDog : Has Boeing said anything about the accident yet? To me, they're the only ones that can say the truth, and will not stop until the truth is known. All
235 rightrudder : On what reference are you basing the departure date?
236 hivue : Who cares? If the system was actually "pinging" "hours after the last transponder signal" that could be significant.
237 Western727 : Nothing more than their thoughts are with the families and that they are monitoring the situation. Boeing/Airbus both have respective vested interest
238 jcxroberts : Of course, but there are political and legal necessities.
239 hivue : That wasn't my post you quoted.
240 c680 : I'm assuming that MH370 was using VHF radio for their final transmission. Correct? I'm also assuming that MH370's transponder stopped functioning at a
241 ABQopsHP : Wolf Blitzer, among others, have been asking some really stupid questions. And trying to sensationalize the whole story. They need to stick to the fa
242 Post contains links captainx : Networks "ping" and radars have "blips" or "returns." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(networking_utility)
243 mandala499 : I've said it before, I'll say it again... NO... Our primary radars at Sabang (island north of Banda Aceh) saw nothing. The one near Lhokseumawe saw n
244 BoeingBear : Okay, my hat's off to you -- this is actually one of the best creative-but-not-outrageous theories I've seen in the twenty MH370 threads to date (whi
245 imatams : I'm still confused about this 'pinging' Obviously if those 'pings' went on for several hours they would not be 'pings' as in primary radar returns, as
246 Trin : Not could be - that is ABSOLUTELY significant. I was just getting frustrated with the media screwing up terminology. Here's hoping the USS Kidd arriv
247 Post contains links IADCA : Surely you must just be trolling. Here's MH themselves stating it was the March 8 flight: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html H
248 deconz : I suggest you check your facts before commenting my friend. The flight departed KUL at 00:41 on the morning of Saturday 08 March!
249 747megatop : See, the thing with that crash was that the pilot was in radio contact with the ATC; the ATC knew what was going on onboard the plane (smoke due to s
250 hivue : If the aircraft was showing any signs at all it was alive -- just trying to contact a satellite or whatever -- hours after the transponder quit that
251 Difrano789 : Hi all, After years reading this forum I decided to join, sorry for my spelling English it’s not my mother language. I have more speculation that ha
252 EMA747 : Forgive me if I've missed some information but did these "pings" that might have gone on for 4 hours indicate the plane was functioning normally, or d
253 B747forever : Even if people did survive the initial impact, by now no one would be alive.
254 stuyyz : Thanks...not encouraging, it starts to get deep out there.
255 456 : Any idea what is realistic that they can be there?
256 Post contains images hivue : I say tom-may-toe and you say tom-ah-toe. Lets call the whole thing UTC.
257 Post contains images flyingturtle : Occam's razor doesn't forbid any assumptions, speculation or suppositions. It just says that our puzzle should use as little assumptions as possible,
258 DTW2HYD : Other than Malaysian Government, no one will make any statements. It will only create more exposure to lawsuits. All that is out of the window if one
259 pstyl : To go back to kmot's Tomnod image as an aside from the discussion on pings: I admit that the shape's being of a lighter shade suggests otherwise but
260 BruceSmith : Ping was first used in sonar and was brought into networking as a name for a IP echo location tool based on the sound of a sonar ping. Military bloke
261 D L X : It's always a good time to jump in. Welcome!
262 laxboeingman : I was watching CNN and thought of this question. I apologize if it has been asked before, but I do not think this exact one was asked before. What if
263 COEWR787 : Specially considering that parts of the area doled out is Indian territorial waters in all likelihood, by the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.
264 fotoflyer71 : My favorite post thus far!
265 Post contains images aftgaffe : same here
266 rightrudder : That's all I'm asking. By what facts are you basing this from?
267 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to length this thread will be locked for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes on
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