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Virgin America To Pull Out Of SJC  
User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14281 times:

After a little over a year of launching San Jose, CA VX has decided to end SJC-LAX service effective May 14 2014 which will be the last flight. Press release should be out shortly.

Virgin America to pull out of San Jose, ending 'Nerd Bird' flight

[Edited 2014-03-14 11:35:15 by SA7700]

72 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25756 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14186 times:

Unfortunately no surprise. Route has been sluggish since the start. Airport even through in another $100,000 marketing money in November.

Crowded market, and planes can be used for something more productive.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13930 times:

Their landing fees were waved for one year so the timing is right. I had heard their week day flights averaged 30-35%.


John@SFO
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13667 times:

Speaking of VX cancelling service, can someone clarify the date that they officially pulled out of ANC? I assume it was around September of last year but does anyone know when the VX season (and the route) actually ended? Thanx in advance.

bb


User currently offlinemikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13612 times:
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Sad to hear - while it was an over saturated route, QX/AS also pulling out in June. Just DL, AA, UA and WN to duke it out. I was really pulling for them - flew on the inaugural SJC-LAX last May.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13528 times:

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 4):
QX/AS also pulling out in June.

Interesting, I hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere here on A.net. Thanks for sharing that fact.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 4):
Just DL, AA, UA and WN to duke it out.

"Just"?   I guess AS blinked first, but to have a second withdrawal shortly thereafter is kind of unique...

bb


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):

Speaking of VX cancelling service, can someone clarify the date that they officially pulled out of ANC? I assume it was around September of last year but does anyone know when the VX season (and the route) actually ended? Thanx in advance.

bb

ANC was seasonal service, so September sounds about right. It looks like that route isn't returning this year.

How many flights did they have to SJC? I'm assuming this capacity will go towards their anticipated DAL focus city..if they get the gates.


User currently offlinemikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13432 times:
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They 4 during the week and 3 weekends. Southwest is now back to the only mainline.


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User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13233 times:

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 4):
QX/AS also pulling out in June.

Interesting, Even with the Q400 and the connection options in LAX, AS is pulling the plug as well.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 6):
ANC was seasonal service, so September sounds about right. It looks like that route isn't returning this year.

Didnt seem like VX had any cruise contracts at all and they dont fly freight i.e. fresh seafood like B6 and AS do into ANC so this route was bound to fail. If I recall B6 loves ANC because of all the $$$ to be made with freight which is why they even started ANC-SEA. I think VX will return to ANC some day. It is a great product to fly to gear up for a pleasant cruise around Alaska.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
Their landing fees were waved for one year so the timing is right.

Sounds alot like YYZ

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 6):
I'm assuming this capacity will go towards their anticipated DAL focus city

Makes sense but for the meantime expect the aircraft to be used on routes that are making money. Extra capacity from SFO/LAX to BOS/JFK seems to fit the bill until "pending" DAL is launched


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13134 times:

Quoting SocalApproach (Thread starter):
After a little over a year of launching San Jose, CA VX has decided to end SJC-LAX service effective May 14 2014 which will be the last flight. Press release should be out shortly.

They are going to have to drop a lot more routes to use all these slots.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
They are going to have to drop a lot more routes to use all these slots.

Don't forget that they start receiving new aircraft again in 2015, schedules are normally reduced during the winter months..which is around the time they're supposed to take possession of the slots, maybe they're not at full utilization with their fleet (I don't know this for a fact), all of the routes out of DAL aren't supposed to begin right at first...so I wouldn't necessarily say they'll have to drop a lot more routes.

Who knows, maybe behind the scenes they're working to move up deliveries or lease another aircraft or two. When they deferred their aircraft deliveries, they didn't know these slots would be coming available. They must have had contingency plans in place incase opportunities like this came up.


User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13003 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
all of the routes out of DAL aren't supposed to begin right at first...so I wouldn't necessarily say they'll have to drop a lot more routes.

   Cush has advised that DAL wont be at full operation until 5-6 months after launching which is right on que when they will be taking on more brand new A320 aircraft.


User currently offlineAirFiero From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12281 times:

I thought about starting one of those airport specific threads about SJC, but what little news there is seems to be bad. Either service being cut back or lost. Seems like SJC will never find its way out of being the ass end of Bay area aviation.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12143 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Unfortunately no surprise. Route has been sluggish since the start. Airport even through in another $100,000 marketing money in November.

Crowded market, and planes can be used for something more productive.

No surprise at all. For a flight that runs under an hour from takeoff to touchdown, passenger traffic is going to be driven by price, schedule, and loyalty programs. First class seating, TV's, and mood-lighting don't matter when your competition goes up to 10x daily for the same price.


User currently offlinea380787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12093 times:

oh well such is life ... i guess the planes for DAL/DCA/LGA expansion *has* to come from somewhere

i wonder if PSP will be the next victim


User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11893 times:

Quoting a380787 (Reply 14):
i wonder if PSP will be the next victim
PSP actually does well during its season and the JFK-PSP flight is solid as well. PSP is here to stay. PDX is the wildcard.

Press Release is now live

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/n...erica-to-pull-out-of-san-jose.html

[Edited 2014-03-14 09:01:48]

User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11836 times:

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 12):

I thought about starting one of those airport specific threads about SJC, but what little news there is seems to be bad. Either service being cut back or lost. Seems like SJC will never find its way out of being the ass end of Bay area aviation.

SJC numbers have been going back up for over a year. Still anemic IMHO. Seems ironic that this particular airport sits smack dab in the middle of the highest earning metro in the country yet suffers. ANA flight sounds like it's doing well and there's been talk of another Asian carrier in the works. SJC lives in the shadow of SFO, but there's still no reason it can't coexist and thrive. It is absolutely booming here-construction everywhere...


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11754 times:

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 15):
PSP actually does well during its season and the JFK-PSP flight is solid as well. PSP is here to stay. PDX is the wildcard.

I think it's interesting that a once weekly flight can be so successful, JFK-PSP. I wonder if they'll ever add frequency to this route.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11699 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
Don't forget that they start receiving new aircraft again in 2015,

Where are they going to go? VX has pulled down their current flying quite a bit. There's plenty of slack now, never mind the SJC shells and who knows what else, plus any deliveries.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11594 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Where are they going to go? VX has pulled down their current flying quite a bit. There's plenty of slack now, never mind the SJC shells and who knows what else, plus any deliveries.

How much slack is there right now? They've recently added frequency on some of their transcons, and they're bringing back SFO-MCO.

And to answer your question regarding where their new aircraft will go...If they get the 2 DAL gates, they'll begin that focus city with their 4 DCA slots, 4 of their LGA slots, 2 flights to ORD and 4 flights each to LAX and SFO..replacing I believe the 3 daily flights to LAX and SFO to DFW. That's a lot of additional flying. Also there's 2 unaccounted for LGA slots, possibly going to ORD. They could also beef up some of their transcons, maybe add some point to point routes.

I wonder what they'll do if they don't get the DAL gates. Maybe open a DFW focus city..even though they said they wouldn't.

The next couple years is going to be interesting for Virgin America. I love that airline and hope they do well.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 884 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11428 times:
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Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 8):
Interesting, Even with the Q400 and the connection options in LAX, AS is pulling the plug as well.

Actually, those ARE the 2 reasons as to why AS/QX is pulling the plug. The operational reliability of the Q400 has been a challenge. And while the route offers great connection opportunities, the price of reaccomodating those connections when a flight cancels or goes on a long tech delay is costing AS much more than it makes. Sorry, but good riddance!

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlinekilauea717 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10821 times:

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 16):
ANA flight sounds like it's doing well and there's been talk of another Asian carrier in the works

What other Asian/International carriers would be possible at SJC?


User currently offlineSFOA380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10522 times:

Quoting kilauea717 (Reply 21):
What other Asian/International carriers would be possible at SJC?

I would imagine BR to TPE or OZ to ICN would do fine given the *A base in the catchment area. Considering there are already multiple dailies on multiple carriers out of SFO...


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10330 times:

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 22):

I would change BR to CI. BR is going double daily into SFO and, IMO, a 77W would be too big. As for a Korean airline , I would say KE has a better shot. But, this is only hearsay and nothing is firm.



John@SFO
User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10231 times:

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 15):
PSP actually does well during its season and the JFK-PSP flight is solid as well. PSP is here to stay. PDX is the wildcard.

While tomorrow's JFK-PSP is full, one week from tomorrow it's empty...seats are going for only $177 o/w. Ouch.


25 ScottB : With no airline hub at SJC, it will continue to sit in the shadow of the marquee destination of the metro area. Even though Bay Area traffic can be h
26 OAKflyer : Hello, Too bad the flight is cancelled. It seemed like a saturated market for that route. VX thought they could take on WN, DL & UA. Construction
27 OzarkD9S : SJC seemed like VX's type of market. I wonder if transcons to BOS/IAD and JFK (if they could get a slot or two) would have panned out better. LAX was
28 BoeingGuy : I wondered that too. SJC-LAX seemed like a weird market for VX to get into when starting SJC. Seems like SJC to something east, particularly an undes
29 SurfandSnow : It's too bad SJC doesn't work out for VX, but it's not like we weren't warned by official statements in news articles. Then there was the precedent of
30 compliancecheck : Not to hijack the thread but is the Q performing that badly for Horizon? I didn't realize it. Is it a specific set of recurring issues? How long has
31 SurfandSnow : So did SNA. However, it is important to see past the glamorous façade of these places and realize that between astronomical living costs and the inc
32 shengzhurou : i thought VX service would be too premium for SJC LAX route
33 Prost : Didn't most on this site think Delta would be the first to fold?
34 laca773 : It's too bad this market couldn't work out for VX. Too much capacity in the SJC-LAX-SJC market.I wouldn't be surprised to see UA drop their CRJ fiight
35 anonms : BR has A332s that they could possibly deploy on this route, CI doesn't.
36 mikesairways : I'm surprised UA hasn't either. I only see one flight today on their schedule.
37 Tomassjc : I think Southwest, Delta and American will be the winners of this battle. In that order. Tomas SJC
38 gabrielz : SJC's problem is that really rich and powerful part of the valley (Palo Alto, mountain View) is close enough to sfo that any sjc advantage is moot. To
39 warden145 : The really funny thing there is, SJC's been doing a radio ad blitz lately trying to get people on the Peninsula to choose SJC over SFO for flights to
40 RWA380 : I am not surprised that VX did not enter a transcon market, but instead to try and grow a flyer base with a low yield, short hop, funnelling anyone w
41 UA735WL : That's called predatory pricing, and is illegal. If it was allowed, I'm sure UA would be at $50 R/T fares for all VX routes out of SFO...
42 dbo861 : VX isn't supposed to take delivery of any new aircraft until next year..second half of 2015 I believe, unless that's changed. Also, they got a total
43 RWA380 : I think there are enough examples of carriers jumping into markets, dropping fares and nothing has come against them for predatory pricing, a fare wa
44 Post contains links mariner : Sure, its illegal but it is extremely hard to prove. The Department of Justice took on American - and lost - and Northwest was notorious for predator
45 Mah4546 : Why in "that order," and why not United? Southwest, American and United carry the most local traffic on the route, in that order.
46 Tomassjc : Curious if you have stats on connecting traffic via LAX? I'm just wondering if DL comes out ahead of UA in terms of connecting traffic?
47 zippyjet : Our flights to SJC do relatively well. WN BTW, not to hijack the thread but any truth to rumors of VX breaking into BWI and MIA? They like us do FLL,
48 LAXintl : You realize yields SJC-LAX are higher than anything it would generate going East right?
49 SocalApproach : It is more of a guess just from looking at the loads going up to PDX. It cannot even support service to LAX anymore. Sometimes it is only 2 flights/d
50 atct : I have heard this from numerous people. I have heard she likes the hangar a bit but if it was such a lacking aircraft as you imply, they wouldn't be
51 RWA380 : I know with 4 carriers on LAX-PDX, someone would have jumped anyway, so VX right after DL announces the route, jumps off. That was smart by VX since
52 Deltal1011man : just a note, The SVP of network and CRO for Delta is a ex Delta guy. Its not like Delta wasn't protective. Just ask jetBlue why they don't fly to ATL
53 N1120A : The Q400 isn't competitive in a market where you have to compete with mainline. A route I WISH they would bring back. UA does a lot of stupid things
54 Post contains images lightsaber : Not too much of a surprise. It was a six way competition?!? Wow, how can anyone make money on that route?!? Even a four way competition will be tough.
55 SFOA380 : It does around here. Costs are far too high for speculative building generally. Those who take the risk have very deep pockets. San Jose/SF Bay Area
56 OAKflyer : You said it best. At one time had. Had is in the past my friend. I live in the Bay Area, I live 3 miles near OAK. SFO has taken a lot of the domestic
57 Post contains links SFOA380 : Correct - I know what tense I was using - LOL. My point is that it can come back again. The economy is actually far stronger now than it was during th
58 ANA787 : Sorry to spoil it for you but PDX isn't going anywhere. In the past 5 months loads have really taken off. 3x daily PDX-SFO flights are now operating
59 legacyins : AS is also dropping their SJC-LAX this May. If SJC cannot convince carriers to start transcon flights in this economic environment, then it looks like
60 Post contains images laca773 : They really do. SJC was all mainline before to DEN. Now what is it? One mainline a day with the rest being CRJ/CR7s? LAX is an after thought. I don't
61 atct : I believe this route, SEA-LAX, is going mainline this summer. atct
62 laca773 : It shows one CR2 in the morning and a evening A319. That's in the UA LAX-SEA nonstop market.
63 Post contains links RWA380 : A far cry from 1982, where all SEA/PDX-LAX flights on UA were mainline, 4 from PDX, 6 from SEA with one being a DC-10 http://www.departedflights.com/
64 Tomassjc : It's now moved forward to April 5th.... Tomas SJC
65 laca773 : Did they move it forward because of booking dropping off markedly, or are they pulling the a/c for heavy maintenance, etc?
66 Tomassjc : From what I understand, the route is costing them more than they're making. I'll just leave it a that!
67 mikesairways : Is AS planning on adding anything out of SJC? I bet they could do good on something like SAN...and what's with the funky GDL schedules for March?
68 Tomassjc : Nothing new that I've heard of....if you don't count SLC starting in mid June. Yes, SAN would be nice! GDL is doing the yearly month of March runway
69 mikesairways : That makes sense....and I've seen how heavy that flight goes out too. I get why they are doing SJC-SLC as a way to stick it to DL, but i'm not so sure
70 BoeingGuy : AS isn't resuming SJC-PSP? That flight has been on and off several times over the years. I think SJC-SMF was just part of a circle routing to BOI. I'
71 Flighty : If that's what they do, then DL can be sued for triple damages AFAIK, and the plaintiffs can become very rich. A fare war is not "just a fare war" wh
72 Tomassjc : The Q400s will still be serving SJC. Daily double to RNO and 1X to both BOI and PDX. SJC-SJD stays year round with some frequency adjustments in the
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