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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71268 times:
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MH370 Malaysian Airlines B777-200ER missing enroute KUL-PEK (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysian Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines 772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2403 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71534 times:

post transplanted from thread 22, without anaesthesia

Quoting evomutant (Reply 247):

I never had a closer look at an FMC, but it wouldn't surprise me if you were only able to enter waypoints, or if the flight plan does not contain an airway, but only waypoints - for backward or forward compatibility. I don't know which FMCs you have used, but this 9M-MRO was 12 years old.

Preselected company routes might have their drawbacks, too. They're not so flexible as if you choose waypoints for every flight.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71394 times:

Although the James Bond-style theories about the plane having landed somewhere are quite entertaining, don't you thibk that after seven days virtually every airfield within the range of MH370 has been checked physically / by satellite? While you may land a 777 at many small, unused airfields, you cannot make it disappear after having done so (unless you are one of the villains from the 007 movies). This is particularly true for those islands in the Andaman Sea.

User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71362 times:

re-post from the locked thread:


Quoting aviators99 (Reply 256):
And does this circuitous route avoid well-known RADAR stations, in particular?

I have no idea really, but I think it has been mentioned in some thread that there
is a radar on the northern tip of Acheh/Sumatra?

Then I would assume that there is a good radar around CBD as well and possible at IXZ?

[Edited 2014-03-14 06:05:44]


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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71117 times:

Still dont understand why some make the connection between the captain being an atheist and MH370. It doesnt bear any relevance at all.

Quoting sipadan (Reply 252):
In Islam, one of the worst sins a person can commit is to take one's own life, unless it is for a just and righteous cause as articulated by prophets, Imans i.e which almost always is in the name if Jihad and defending the religion..

A righteous cause, you say. So 9/11 was okay then?  



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User currently offlinemd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 71138 times:

"Maybe now we can do some REAL flying"? You mean, as in HAND FLYING, which no pilots are really allowed to do anymore, even in their expensive high level simulators? I once made a simulated MD80 for a popular FAA approved PC based simulator and was sent a half dozen emails from real world pilots from non-spoofed company email addresses informing me that they were enjoying flying my creation in the hopes of keeping themselves "in the game" hand flying while off line at home. For Pete's sake folks, real world pilots only really get to flip switches and turn dials anymore due to insurance regs and nervous bean counters. Where are they going to get any real flying time?

User currently offlineaw70 From Austria, joined Mar 2014, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70522 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 2):
Although the James Bond-style theories about the plane having landed somewhere are quite entertaining, don't you thibk that after seven days virtually every airfield within the range of MH370 has been checked physically / by satellite? While you may land a 777 at many small, unused airfields, you cannot make it disappear after having done so (unless you are one of the villains from the 007 movies). This is particularly true for those islands in the Andaman Sea.

Not to say that anything of the sort actually happened: but if you, as a shadowy organisation of some sort, manage to take something like a T7 rogue for some bizarre nefarious purpose, it is then equally conceivable that you will manage to have some means of camouflage handy at the intended destination by the time the thing gets there.

Just saying, you know. The hard part would be stealing the aircraft, not preparing some camo in the place it will be landing at. And as we all know, a very real a/c has very probably been taken over. So the really bizarre part of the James Bond plot would seem to have already happened. Putting decent camouflage on the thing in a jungle somewhere afterwards would not really stretch the imagination that much further. Except that it would kill any theories about the pilot acting on his own - but then, we are talking about an event that is outside any bell curves of what normally happens anyway. Mr. Bond might as well have his drinks served to him now, and commence working on the case.


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70440 times:

Looks like my map made it to the Guardian:

"The French aviation site Air Info has a more detailed map of the missing plane
possible flight path based on that Reuters story. "

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...tes#block-5322f4fce4b0e42fe2827633
http://twitter.com/AirInfoAviation/status/444431850102988800/photo/1
http://airinfo.org/2014/03/14/dispar...recherche-etendue-a-locean-indien/

[Edited 2014-03-14 06:20:41]


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70178 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 7):
Looks like my map made it to the Guardian:

Have you (or anyone else non-governmental) overlaid the plots onto Google Earth?



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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70015 times:

IF you were going to suicide and you wanted to cover it up you would want to be sure that you ditched as far away from a known previous point as possible. You would try and fly to this point without detection and at night would be ideal. You would want a large ocean and somewhere deep. The Indian ocean is large and mostly inaccessible from developed countries with SAR resources and with poor radar coverage. The Indian ocean has an average depth of some 4000m.


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 70017 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 3):
Quoting aviators99 (Reply 256):
And does this circuitous route avoid well-known RADAR stations, in particular?

I have no idea really, but I think it has been mentioned in some thread that there
is a radar on the northern tip of Acheh/Sumatra?

Then I would assume that there is a good radar around CBD as well and possible at IXZ?

IXZ should have good coverage.

If the route published by Singapore on twitter is based on primary radar data it matches the behavior of an Indian Navy P8-I coming back from a recon mission from South China sea to its base, i.e., stay in the center of Gulf of Thailand, cross Thailand/Malaysia land mass at its narrowest, turn towards Andaman Sea.

But if this route is based on ACARS(or what ever) system pings, different story.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 69866 times:

From Part 22:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 235):
- How are waypoints loaded into the FMC? After looking at the weather forecast at the flight ops office, you decide for a route, and the planning software prints your route? And then, in the cockpit, you've have to enter the waypoints by hand?
- How often do typing errors occur?

Other than the issues already raised, there's a graphical depiction of the programmed flight path where such an accidental error should be quite obvious, even if it's accepted by the system. Then there's the turn at IGARI - that's another opportunity for the crew to spot something very different from what they were expecting. Assuming the Singapore Today map is reliable, for at least three positions to be entered incorrectly by accident is probably pushing it.  


User currently offlinepassenger8170 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 69436 times:

None of us yet know what happened in this case but to dismiss suicide is an error. Psychology is still trying to figure out the reasons people take their lives when they seemingly have everything to live for. A friend of mine hung herself 8 years ago--had just gotten married and was starring in a play in a few days, in fact was publicizing the play online the day before she killed herself.

There's a very well-known story in the area where I live of a woman who jumped off a high bridge. She crossed the bridge every day on her way to work, stopping for coffee at the same place before doing so. The morning she jumped, she stopped for coffee just like any other day. Drove to the top of the bridge, stopped, got out, and jumped--all caught on video due to the place being a popular suicide spot. When the EMT's and police got there, the cup of coffee, half full, was still warm.

More in line with Flight 370, we've had two fatal "driving the wrong way" accidents in my city recently--both are thought to have been suicides. In one the suicide driver killed others in an oncoming car.

And even more recently, a woman tried to kill herself and her kids by driving into the ocean--all caught on tape. But an hour before she had been pulled over by the police and the officer said the woman appeared to be fine.

Just because somebody "seems fine" doesn't mean anything. In fact, if you read a lot on the subject, you find that the reason people seem so at-peace before committing suicide is because the arguments in their head about doing/not doing it are over. There's no more indecision, no agonizing. Now all that has to be done is the act.

So, any of the above stories could easily fit into Flight 370's scenario. Once again, we don't know what happened but a person taking their life along with others isn't unusual, it happens every day.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 69453 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 7):
Looks like my map made it to the Guardian:

Congratulations.

[Edited 2014-03-14 06:46:28]

User currently offlinecaptainx From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 69329 times:

The last "ping" over water may just be the point where the pilot realized that that comm was still on and shut it off OR he had planned it that way to make the world believe it crashed in that spot when in reality he flew it to the planned runway. In the end I believe this is a very clever but simple act of air piracy.

User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 450 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 68588 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 9):
IF you were going to suicide and you wanted to cover it up you would want to be sure that you ditched as far away from a known previous point as possible. You would try and fly to this point without detection and at night would be ideal.

Why exactly would you think so? I mean that one would want to take the plane somewhere where it wouldn't be (easily) found? I have to admit it's hard for me to understand the logic that would be going on in the head of somebody trying to kill yourself.
Particularly a pilot that would take a few hundred people with them by crashing the plane, rather than resorting to one of the slightly less headline-grabbing methods used by other people (tablets, jump from a bridge, etc.).
So you're taking a few hundred people with you, you know you're going to be creating big headlines anyway due to your chosen way of ending your life - but you don't want to be found?
It's baffling, but then, the whole concept of taking a few hundred people with you on your way out is baffling to me.



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User currently offlineMitico12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 67501 times:

I've said this all along, bottom line, almost one full week from the disappearance of MH370 there is no evidence of debris. This is baffling.

I Google Earth my aunt's apartment in Italy, and believe it or not, from the overhead view, I could actually see her getting into her car with a plastic grocery store-type shopping bag. Yes, from space!

So, with that being said, and take this next comment with a grain of salt, I find it tremendously ironic that all the governments in the world have no clue where this plane is, especially with all the technology that is available today.

Either someone is dragging their feet or we are deliberately being spun in circles with information because there is a greater issue behind the scenes. This I'm convinced of.

If, for some reason, after this is all said and done, it is determined that this was purely an ACCIDENT, then the ICAO needs to MANDATE specific legislation that requires major ETOPS carriers to have data - CVR and FDR - transmitted real-time to land based stations.

What's this business that "MH didn't subscribe to a full ACARS package"...what kind of nonsense is that? You are taking souls over water, over vast stretches of abandoned land, and this add-on is optional???

Just like airlines must subscribe to certain airport taxes, well, they should have to subscribe to real-time transmitting info services, especially considering an event like this or that of AF447.

Penny wise, dollar foolish.


User currently offlinecaptainx From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 67214 times:

WSJ: "U.S. aviation investigators said they were analyzing the satellite transmissions to determine whether they can glean information about the plane's ultimate location or status. The transmissions were sent via onboard technology designed to send routine maintenance and system-monitoring data back to the ground via satellite links, according to the people familiar with the matter.

Among the possible scenarios investigators said they are now considering is whether the jet may have landed at any point during the five-hour period under scrutiny, or whether it ultimately crashed."


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 67214 times:
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The waypoint insertion case:
Modern aviation is based on... data bases (!). There are a few stored routes for a given flight, coded like JFKCDG1...
That route is just input-ted into the FMS, et voilà, you have all all your flight plan !
For Atlantic crossings, as tracks change all the timle, you have to build your route thus : XXX SID MISTYONE... Direct to (Exit point), Direct to NyyyWzzz...... Direct to entry point to DEST... STAR FOGGY 9... Then you xcheck on the map on PLAN, check the distances gel with your printed plan... NOt much opportunity for typing mistakes here.

The cargo fire scenario:
Expressed in different forms : dangerous cargo (subject to international regulations, documented, loaded according to strict rules on quantity/place of storage/possible adverse copmbination with other items...
Problem for that scenario is that all cargo compartments are now Class C : well isolated from the airframe and the cabin, with as set of fire/smoke detectors and extinguishers that discharge continuously into the compartment. The 777 has five of them, two will discharge imlmediately and the remaining three will ^provide acontinuous stream of extigushing agent to keep the fire out or at least down.That reg comes from ETOPS requirements, but has been as a matter of fact with us for 25 years or so. There is plenty of time to divert and land, especially in that well populated region.

The Hollywood / Bollywood hijack scenarii : They do not address the main question : the loss of contact with the crew, almost immediately after a routine switching off message.

The suicide scenario : Someone enthusiastic enough about his job to the point of buiding a home sim for fun, or another who likes life and women enough are in my humble opinion not likely candidates .

Mid air collision with another aircraft / a drone / a Missile / a UFO... someone must have an idea of what was lost beside Flight 370, except the aliens. Would they please stand up and come clean with their missing saucer !

Now some aspects on modern airliners : they are, especially FBW ones incredibly stable. Theyu won't fall out of the sky just because navigation/ Automatic flight computers / incapacited pilots are no longer there. The trajectory would be anyone's guess, though.

The rest of the speculations are, I'm afraid a lot of Bravo Sierra verging on complete drooling idiocy.
(Rant off)

This event is certainly not the media finest hour !

[Edited 2014-03-14 06:51:53]


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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 65371 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 19):
The suicide scenario : Someone enthusiastic enough about his job to the point of buiding a home sim for fun, or another who likes life and women enough are in my humble opinion not likely candidates .

You can't deduce someone's mental state from the few facts you cite. Sabotage/suicide by one of the pilot's remains the most likely scenario at this time. Flying the aircraft potentially hours off course is likely an intentional act.


User currently offlineJimJupiter From Germany, joined Sep 2011, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 65097 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 19):
The Hollywood / Bollywood hijack scenarii : They do not address the main question : the loss of contact with the crew, almost immediately after a routine switching off message.

        

Quoting Mitico12 (Reply 17):
What's this business that "MH didn't subscribe to a full ACARS package"...what kind of nonsense is that? You are taking souls over water, over vast stretches of abandoned land, and this add-on is optional???

Would that have saved 1 soul in this case?



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 64952 times:

Quoting Mitico12 (Reply 17):
I Google Earth my aunt's apartment in Italy, and believe it or not, from the overhead view, I could actually see her getting into her car with a plastic grocery store-type shopping bag. Yes, from space!

You realize that's old imagery, right? Few countries have the access to enough space-based assets to quickly image such large areas.

Quoting Mitico12 (Reply 17):
What's this business that "MH didn't subscribe to a full ACARS package"...what kind of nonsense is that? You are taking souls over water, over vast stretches of abandoned land, and this add-on is optional???

It is not a safety feature. It is a maintenance/diagnostic reporting system. If they don't want to pay for it, and it makes their airplane harder to maintain, tough titties for them.



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlinebajamatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 64791 times:

What are the actual capabilities of "fly by wire"? Is this completely out of the question? I assume that the ACARS system would be the way in?

User currently offlineblueheronNC From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 64278 times:

Quoting aw70 (Reply 21):

Not that I have any counterterrorism experience whatsoever, but it seems to me that the quicker the delivery means of an unconventional weapon from a "friendly location" to target, the higher the likelihood of success. To get a stolen nuke from its origins (ostensibly the Middle East) to a yacht sailing into L.A. takes a lot of logistical coordination and time to be discovered by military sailing vessels, other nations, etc.

With a 777-ER, all you'd do is slip the nuke onboard at your friendly origin and then fly over radar-sparse waters the entire way until you're about to make landfall in the U.S. It's going to be a lot more difficult for military radars to pick up something coming in from a low trajectory (say, the plane descends to 1000 feet off the East Coast and then comes in) until the thing is almost above you. Then, even if you do shoot it down, you set off a nuclear explosion above a populated area.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 64972 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 5):

Um....I believe you are misinformed.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
25 sipadan : This is my final post (i know, thank god). Sometimes people commit heinous acts simply because they can. Human behavior doesn't always have to abide b
26 hamiltondaniel : There's a lot wrong with your theory, but I'll focus on this. A nuclear weapon (aside from being terribly difficult to acquire) does not get "set off
27 Planeflyer : Quoting Pihero: The Hollywood / Bollywood hijack scenarii : They do not address the main question : the loss of contact with the crew, almost immediat
28 bajamatic : How does anyone actual know what plays into the logic playbook? We need to know what happened before we can begin to assess the logical steps taken t
29 Post contains links SLCPilot : I think sipodan has made some good comments, and that are being overly criticized. Furthermore, it is my personal suspicion one of the crew disabled t
30 Rara : I'm not aware that they photographed every possible airfield via satellite. That's a lot of airfields. Someone would have to give the order, or pay f
31 philask : Or just park it in a hanger / warehouse.
32 Trin : I disagree. I think that the possibility of the pilots losing situational awareness and flying the total wrong way back across the Malaysian peninsul
33 hivue : The image would have been made from an airplane.[Edited 2014-03-14 07:41:33]
34 captainx : There may be some missile defense but a plane coming in low w/o a transponder on could make it rather far before an attempt would be made to check it
35 holzmann : The sum of all fears. I hope analysts in high places are keeping such scenarios in mind.
36 cat3appr50 : Thoughts based on the US confirming the receipt of pings for several hours after loss of the transponder and the non-synchronization of the shut off o
37 ikramerica : Shooting down a nuclear device doesn't generally create a nuclear reaction, but would create a dirty bomb.
38 blueheronNC : What I mean is that the pilot engages whatever trigger has been fitted on the warhead when he realizes he's being shot down, or (and I don't know how
39 Post contains links Hywel : One of the best articles I've read so far: Link
40 COEWR787 : Am I reading the French map from the twitter right in seeing that they flew a route that roughly follows the edges of ATC zones? Or do those black li
41 hamiltondaniel : It does appear so doesn't it?
42 AT : Hindsight is 20/20. I agree 100% except that I would add that these be mandatory regardless of whether this is ultimately determined to be an acciden
43 Post contains images Caryjack : A range ring of about 2500 nm has been displayed and discussed but that assumes a fuel load for PEK. Has anyone posted the actual fuel load and TOW? I
44 jetfuel : The top 3 reasons the world must find this MH370 777, in no particular order 1. If there is serious design flaw or system failure that puts at risk th
45 gregarious119 : We don't know that any souls have been lost, yet - so the answer is theortically yes. Imagine some of the more nefarious state-sponsored theories act
46 ThunderboltDrgn : You are correct the flew along the route marked by the red line IF Reuters info is correct..
47 Owleye : Has the ground tarmac crew, which prepared the 777 before flight, been questioned about eventual remarkable events (special uncommon preparations, spe
48 SeeTheWorld : I have to say that after reading every single post, being an aviation geek for over the past 40 years, and working in the industry for 25 years, it se
49 Ecflyer : Whatever lookdown/shootdown assets we still have (speaking USA here) might want to be positioned up over both coasts for awhile. Good drill at the wor
50 spacecadet : One point I'd like to make about the more... I guess I'll say "traditionalists" in these threads (those still arguing it's probably a garden variety a
51 DUSdude : That's actually not from space. The high resolution imagery on google earth is taken from a low flying aircraft.
52 imatams : I noticed that, but I'm not sure those lines are in fact ATC areas.. Just a thought: I am not one to buy into all these conspiracy theories and Holly
53 BruceSmith : The highest zoom levels on Google Earth are aerial photographs from a plane at 5000ft or more, not satellite from space. The spooks probably do have
54 pilotalex14 : Hmm the confusion from all government agencies claims/denial is starting to sound more and more like a cover up for a major accident. I.e shooting it
55 ranold76 : I have a quick question... When MH370 disappeared during it's transition into Vietnamese airspace from BITOD, wouldn't the Vietnamese have seen an uni
56 keegd76 : Been reading most of these parts but got fed up reading the same thing over and over again, so apologies if this has been discussed already. This theo
57 747megatop : Looking at the map of the region, if it headed towards the Andaman Islands; did it have the range to make it to Bangladesh?
58 DUSdude : The Cessna I saw flying a grid pattern for google earth here in Chicago a few years ago was flying at about the level of my 75th floor office at the
59 Trin : Absolutely there with you on that one. Everything I hear makes me thing "this can't be happening" - and every fiber of my being expects them to find
60 ROSWELL41 : The Egyptian government disputed the pilot suicide as the cause of Egyptair 990 despite overwhelming evidence. It would not shock me in the least to s
61 Caryjack : It depends on the fuel load and TOW. Any idea what they were?
62 Kaiarahi : Check the posts by Mandala499 in earlier threads - he's an expert on this stuff. The cost is enormous - and there isn't even sufficient existing band
63 hivue : Please refer to discussions of primary surveillance radar vs secondary surveillance radar in previous parts of this thread.
64 k83713 : Hi-jack could happen while food is delivered to the crew. If so, why the procedure even allows it to happen during a flight? Why the food is not deliv
65 Owleye : Vietnam based kiwi oil rig worker sees burning plane falling in sea nearby South Vietnam. People on a bench and fishermen at sea near Malaysia-Thaila
66 Post contains images ASA : All of these three countries recently got state-of-the-art Sukhoi Su-30MK jets, awesome machines .... primarily to cover their vast coastlines and ma
67 FltAdmiralRitt : Adding one more Motive for making the Boeing 777 disappear mysteriously Industrial Sabotage: To sully Boeing's reputation. Increase the chances of you
68 holzmann : How difficult is it to hack a transponder? Does it run on firmware? Is it like a MAC address? Can it be spoofed to report that the plane is a Gulfstre
69 passenger8170 : I am wondering something about the range of the 777. When I see these maps saying, "Maximum Range" and a huge circle is drawn around where MH370 last
70 7BOEING7 : Sure we do. We have two scenarios that would have them still alive: Airplane lands somewhere -- end of flight engine data would have been reported to
71 holzmann : Industrial Espionage by whom? Why would say the Chinese need to steal one if they can just go take a peak while China Southern does its A-D checks?
72 DeltaMD90 : Not 100% sure what the max range cruise speed/altitude is but I can assure you it isn't anything one engined
73 757gb : In the thousands of posts these ideas were probably talked about at one point or another, then again maybe not all of them together. I'm no rocket sci
74 rfields5421 : From the previous thread: The timeline is that 0122L the aircraft sent its last transmission. A few minutes later Vietnam ATC contact Malaysian ATC an
75 Post contains images DUSdude : The planes a rejust part of a system. If you're not keeping up a round the clock alert and don't have a good radar coverage and someone interpreting
76 DTW2HYD : Just a thought, what if it was a water landing but emergency slides didn't deploy. May not be applicable 9M-MRO but there was an AD for 777s about un
77 rcair1 : Sanity Check Morning a.netters - at least it is morning here (Colorado) Went to bed late last night after a medical emergency call (about 0100 local).
78 kl692 : Guys and Gals, my every guts tells me that this plane landed somewhere. My wife asked me what do think about what happen to a/c after 24 hours and I s
79 Post contains links and images ThunderboltDrgn : Here you go: You can get the file at: http://www.mediafire.com/download/oq4o8ksabditz6m/MH370.kmz
80 Post contains links Mouldypete : I made a previous post 218 on thread 19 and I have waited for a comment. It seems to me basic common sense. This is an excerpt. "I then submit that th
81 Post contains links theaviator380 : Indian aircraft found nothing over Andaman Nicobar island itself. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...rlines-india-idUSBREA2D0YK20140314
82 757gb : I try to get my news fix on this early in the morning, and part of what I heard on TV was that the new possibilities considered by the US authorities
83 MarcoT : Yeah. You're afraid that they will discover a nuke quietly slipped in one of the thousand yachts ploughing the oceans. So what you do? You just steal
84 747megatop : If the aircraft indeed took this route; what are the chances that another aircrafts TCAS might have alerted it? From flightradar24 it seems to be qui
85 rcair1 : He may be annoyed because he is busy and tired of being hounded by press and 'government officials' demanding answers.
86 solarflyer22 : I'm not surprised. It is inhabited and looks beautiful in pictures. Only the fringe islands are uninhabited. This would be a more likely scenario imo
87 N328KF : Thanks.
88 hivue : Thanks once again for a great summary. Do you have a list of these places where we know it is not (aside from KUL and PEK)?
89 RDUDDJI : So you think both pilots had a suicide pact? Or one pilot offed the other before crashing the plane? If it's a suicide, why bother flying for another
90 757gb : Maybe, but although I don't remember the exact words, he did make a specific reference such as "that's what should have been done from the start..."
91 rcair1 : Thanks hivue. As for 'locations we know where it is not' - no, that is really a generic statement reflecting that a lot of area has been searched wit
92 MarcoT : This is not correct. A few people correctly said that the report of RR receveing engine messages for 4 hours after loss of contact was wrong. Further
93 nupogodi : Zero? Their transponder was off or inop.
94 cjg225 : Yeah, they're changing their story really quickly. Now the SATCOM pings contained data. I agree with rcair's summary in which he says that maybe they
95 Post contains images JimJupiter : Thanks for this daily infusion of sanity. It is much appreciated and certainly needed.
96 Trin : There are so many holes I could poke in that article, I'm not even going to attempt it. MH370 is NOT lying on the Malaysian peninsula's mainland. Whe
97 hivue : In previous parts of this thread I have been very critical of the Malay authorities, but given the truly bizarre turns this incident has taken I'm go
98 vfw614 : Simple question - why? You and your passengers will be dead anyway. Why would you go at such great lenghts for the same end result? And if you wanted
99 DTW2HYD : This is plausible, rcair1 explained in R#79, read last para under SATCOM pings. I completely agree with rcair1. Even if ACARS is not sending diagnost
100 vee1rot8 : People who are advancing or dismissing the theory of pilot suicide based on such things as religion or lack thereof, being into flight simulator and a
101 BackSeater : In the last 24 hrs, the few facts that we have are starting to make sense. The bizarre scenarios with their cohort of sightings/sat images, ..are fadi
102 Mouldypete : Could you be so kind as to poke a couple of holes in the argument please? How are you so sure that the aircraft is not on land?
103 Trin : I really don't have the time to, but for starters the entire first third of the article sounds like an advertisement for 'FlightRadar24', and at the
104 flyingturtle : Not true. Even if it was true, answering this call could have been a ruse to mislead the other 777 crew (and by extension, the investigators and us).
105 Post contains links neoshi : Hmmm... what is this AVHERALD update about a primary target being located? And jet fuel found... Edit: Oh, it's a radar target. "In the afternoon of M
106 jcxroberts : As the days go by, it's more and more likely something is being withheld. The area where the plane disappeared has blanket coverage from both the US a
107 Post contains images JimJupiter : It's hard to keep up with the details, so I will ask: This report from an anonymous captain has been neither confirmed nor refuted, right?
108 Post contains links 747megatop : Not sure if this was posted before but inmarsat confirms that they received signals from MH 370 - http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...tomated-signa
109 hivue : I think it's very clear now that no EHM messages were sent after the last reported one that happened shortly before the transponder quit.
110 nupogodi : My theory as to why SATCOM pings might contain location data is because they are collected with a wide receiver that covers a lot of area, potentially
111 MarcoT : First, thanks a lot for your summaries! I'm fairly sure that the airforce chief, in the press conference of day 3 (or day 4, it was the one with the
112 hivue : I would characterize the purported SATCOM handshake "pings" as transmitted "data" (though perhaps not "information"). Not sure what the authorities a
113 BackSeater : Indeed, could be a ruse, depending who was in the cockpit at that time and what freedom they had.
114 SEA747 : First time posting. After ~10 years of lurking it was finally time to chime in. While I still hold out hope that the MH-370 hasn't been used for less
115 aftgaffe : Can any commercial pilots shed some light here: In the normal course of operations, the pilot who handles comms with ATC is not the pilot in control,
116 neoshi : Yeah I think the best we can conclude now with all the conflicting info is: MAYBE.
117 EZEIZA : last minute doubts maybe? Is this standard? Meaning that if military ATC tracks a civilian aircraft in trouble they just ignore it?
118 Post contains links flyingturtle : Now I haven't found a source about contradicting or confirming of this. http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...lished-contact-with-plane-1.503464 sti
119 nupogodi : They'd do it for something as simple as a bathroom break If there were others on the same frequency they'd have heard it. But, there is no way to kno
120 MarcoT : A curious things to say, since they've been searching also in the Straits of Malacca / Andaman Sea since day 2, and they've announced it too... There
121 hivue : Am I correct in thinking that the timing of events would indicate that, if a flight crew member actually is responsible for all this, it would have t
122 N328KF : Who is the guy who kept doubting reports of satellite data ("FULL STOP")? Does this person wish to retract their statement now? This is big.
123 AYVN : Moderators please, open new topic for MH370 theories. This one is one big headache to folllow if someone want's to be up to date on search efforts. Pl
124 Post contains images JimJupiter : Thanks, me neither. I'm sure I read something about officials (where from?) rejecting this as incorrect, but the online "news" reports on this are a
125 flyorski : Someone please correct me if this is inaccurate, but at handoff this shortly after take-off both should crew members have been in the cockpit? I woul
126 spacecadet : Probably because it's harder to find a plane in water that's 15,000 feet deep, and in an area hundreds of miles away from where a suicidal pilot woul
127 Post contains images hivue : How would the figure out what needs to go in which thread?
128 AT : Whilst I agree that foul play seems increasingly likely, is a hypoxia- or otherwise induced incapacitation of the crew completely ruled out? Could it
129 virgin744 : “The investigation into the pilots is ongoing,” he said in response to another question, but said they have not yet searched their homes. This one
130 hivue : With no airplane to study they cannot rule out anything that might have happened on it.
131 pvjin : Probably that's possible, some reports said they were following some airway though but who knows, the pilots could have just set a heading that follo
132 SeeTheWorld : Oh, I believe it's most likely that one pilot incapacitated the other, under this scenario. Flying out of the the deep Indian Ocean can certainly mak
133 gr325 : Has tomnod actually publish images of the east and west part of KL?
134 N328KF : If this thing wound up in the Sunda/Java Trench, we may never find it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunda_Trench
135 aw70 : Not that I consider this to be likely, but it is sort of creepy that whoever did this stole a 772-ER, of all types of plane. With "ER" being the impo
136 vfw614 : If one pilot "hijacked" while the other pilot was outside the cockpit, how on earth could he continue for four hours? AFAIK, there are ways for the c
137 aftgaffe : That's what I'm getting at - both pilots should have been on the flight deck when the Cap't said "all right good night." Since the transponder went d
138 theaviator380 : Probably they need search warrant etc...don't know how does it work in Malaysia and how long does it take? I don't know whether they can just break i
139 drew777 : Yes please. The few pieces of new information here are hard to find buried amongst the 100's of "how to hijack" a plane posts.
140 hivue : Do we know the captain made the call?
141 2008matt : But what's the point if you are about to kill yourself to fly hundreds of miles away so that the plane is harder to find, why would it matter to him
142 EZEIZA : I was thinking of that too (i am not prepared to blame the crew, especially with theorires that this was done on purpose by one or more crew mwmbers)
143 max999 : It's highly unlikely the plane landed safely. The first thing anyone would do if they landed in a strange place is turn on their phone...there were 2
144 4holer : Suicide is a bizarre thing, and while people who take their own life are clearly not thinking clearly, at the same time we often see them brilliant a
145 hivue : To make it look like a hijacking gone bad?
146 Post contains links aftgaffe : It's been reported that the Cap't made the call. Granted, a lot of things have been reported that have subsequently been unreported, but this seems l
147 asetiadi : This is a huge potential hijacking because if the plane did turn around then there is no reason why the captain didnt make any kind of contact. But at
148 hivue : I've heard of people who can text intelligently with the phone in their pocket.
149 COEWR787 : And of course there will be a cell tower close enough to wherever they land that will immediately accept the connection from some random device and c
150 AM744 : Doesn't have to make sense. Just for the heck of it, to mess around with people. Exactly. Easiest explanation to me so far. To keep everybody on thei
151 aw70 : If the abduction of the plane was pre-mediated (looks like it was), and if it was done with the intent of actually landing it somewhere afterwards (v
152 Mir : That's normally true. But there are a number of reasons why the same pilot would handle communication and control of the aircraft, especially during
153 oly720man : Lots of people probably know things and they're not telling, because to tell would let the world know that they have the technology to know such stuf
154 Post contains links and images Caryjack : The range rings I've seen on these threads go out to about 2500 miles which is the distance from the airliner's last known position to its scheduled
155 bajamatic : Think about that for a second.... US defense was instantly under the assumption that this plane was inbound for attack, and still are. Until its conf
156 captainx : Can a pilot cause a depressurization - yes or no? Perhaps after the last voice mssg, one pilot left the cabin to use the head, was locked out, the rog
157 pvjin : That's rubbish, when the plane was lost from radar it was assumed it crashed.
158 ranold76 : You think someone who is as selfish, cruel, hopeless and evil to kill themselves and 230+ innocent others would care about shaming themselves and the
159 175erj : Of course he can.
160 EMA747 : I was thinking about this too and wondered if it was to make it harder to find to lessen the shame for his family? Just a thought.
161 Flaps : Or the response of a not quite dead yet crew member that still had a headset on????
162 imatams : Not only US airspace. Next week there's the Nuclear Sucurity Summit here in the Netherlands. Pres. Obama and MANY other world leaders are attending..
163 bajamatic : This is precisely the mentality of a certain type of serial killer. They play games, offer clues.
164 N328KF : No, the press, public, and possibly Malaysians, Thai, Vietnamese, and Chinese assumed that. We do not know what the DoD and other US agencies assumed
165 bajamatic : So what, government defense agencies, who are looking for threats ANYWAY, saw the CNN report that it "probably went down", and they went for a coffee
166 SEA747 : Agreed. I should have been more specific; I'm rather confident in the US Air Defense, but what about the rest of the world?
167 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : At least on the 737, all you have to do is set the pressurization to manual and open the outflow valve. If that is what ended up happening, I'm sure
168 pvjin : I can't see why they would have assumed the aircraft had been hijacked, unless they had access to some special information. At the time aircraft was
169 bajamatic : My $.02 is that regardless of whether it was suicide or otherwise, the pilots used tactics to make their flight look as natural and non-threatening a
170 max999 : The airfields which are big enough to safely land a 777 would most likely be near some kind of population. And even in many developing countries, cel
171 cabochris : Suicide is a bizarre thing, I agree. But to Murder of 240 people, including children is far different, which is what some are floating around here wi
172 SeeTheWorld : I think that the shift to a terrorism discussion on TV right now supports the potential suicide theory. Since a suicide, under these circumstances, ma
173 Trin : Actually, not just in your opinion - that is fact. That is the basis for atheism: to have complete belief and assertion that there is no god/s, no sp
174 hivue : But not any less prone to suicide.
175 bajamatic : Here's your fist civilian demanding changes in the cockpit!! "Steve ‏@avery_clsss 6m There's no way a pilot or anyone should have the ability to tu
176 captainx : If the rogue pilot depressurizzed the cabin to kill the passengers and the other pilot (who was in the head), there would be no worries about cell pho
177 Post contains links boacvc10 : I do agree that no stone should be left unturned for this missing aircraft, but I wasn't expecting Indian authorities to search the eastern coast near
178 paparadzi : Almost a week, and we are still clueless. I just hope there is a closure to this, soon.
179 aw70 : To repeat myself, I personally do not consider a terrorism scenario that involved landing somewhere with optional later a/c re-use likely. At all. Ho
180 solarflyer22 : Yeah, I did notice armed guards and bomb inspections at the subway starting on Monday of this week. Doubt its a coincidence. I believe it was confirm
181 hamiltondaniel : Cruise speed, what these maps are based on, is by definition the most economical speed. That does not seem totally unlikely to me. Cell networks are
182 vfw614 : What's the point? Then it would have made much more sense to send a message to that effect and then switch of communication. OK, as a lot of people s
183 captainx : The rogue pilot needed to quickly kill all on board except himself in order to be successful (ie: not to be stormed by alarmed passengers/FAs). You do
184 Rara : Let's not pass judgement over people who we have really no idea about. So far NOTHING we've heard about either one suggests anything into any directi
185 hivue : A list of one would do.
186 solarflyer22 : Yeah, the short answer is we don't know. If the plane was zig zagging, I am not sure how it would have been configured to do that using auto-pilot by
187 MarcoT : it was this (closed) thread html=http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6022117/, reply #57 Nice try: Rolls-Royce concur
188 bajamatic : Probably the first time these pilots flew together. He'd be a good mark if you are looking for a pilot to replace for your own purposes. I know, I kn
189 laddb : I don't suppose we yet know how much fuel was on board? But I assume the authorities know, and by calculating how much was burned getting to the last
190 SeeTheWorld : Why is suicide a taboo scenario with some of you guys? It has happened several times in the past 15 years. Unfortunately, with all we know, it seems
191 Post contains images alhena :
192 Post contains links seat55a : New York Times article quotes Inmarsat ("David Coiley, the vice president of the company in charge of the aviation business") as follows http://www.ny
193 N328KF : No, you were questioning the entire thesis and trying to discount the whole thing. What this shows is that you got hung up on a technicality, and tha
194 Mitico12 : I deduce, thus far, that if all government agencies have cross referenced the passenger manifest, and have determined that there is no one "of interes
195 Flaps : You don't go around searching people's homes without probable cause supported by evidence. Not in civilized countries anyway. Just because the US has
196 jcxroberts : This doesn't fit the pattern of past suicides at all in terms of the pilot actions. So I think it's right to skeptical. This appears to be a well plan
197 hivue : Layer 2 in your photo is called "data link." In any case, data by any other name...
198 Post contains links mandala499 : OK, you need to watch: http://www.newslook.com/videos/67765...-considers-missing-flight-theories Between 0:29 to 0:42 (A French version is available
199 N328KF : Presuming that the Inmarsat system sticks to the OSI model, it would be Layer 3. That's where ICMP sits.
200 goosebayguy : My personal belief is that it has crash landed somewhere in the Empty Quarter in Saudi Arabia. There are even a few sites with runways and nothing els
201 jcxroberts : There was nowhere for this plane to land without some help from a government. Assuming it landed.
202 peterinlisbon : In the latest maps it seems like the aircraft at one point was heading straight towards Phuket and Bangkok, and then it turned left out towards the se
203 Sligo : The lack of facts after 6 days is astonishing. Unfortunately, it's the stuff that the gov't conspiracy theories are made of. We seem to be getting inc
204 vfw614 : Sure. But I doubt that the a.netters are the first to come to that conclusion. I am pretty sure that all possible landing sites - if any realisticall
205 SA7700 : A REMINDER TO ALL OUR MEMBERS: **** Out of respect to the crew, passengers and also family members; close to those onboard MH370; please keep science
206 Mir : Isn't there a limit to that, though? The two pressurized types I've flown can both dump cabin pressure, but only up to about 14,000 feet cabin altitu
207 Post contains links 747megatop : I found something on the web - http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...-search-to-chennai-coast-1.513596. Then i looked up the region on google earth &
208 na : Now that the plane is lost for a week soon I keep asking myself why is it possible for the crew or anyone else in power on board to switch off the tra
209 imatams : That would be borderline out of range and would also mean overflying all of India unnoticed...
210 CO953 : The "mumbling" is very interesting to me. Does anyone know where the pressurization switches are on the 777? Left or right side of the cockpit? Assum
211 Rara : Switching off the transponder is standard procedure at most airports when the plane the on the ground. Also if the transponder transmits faulty data,
212 Post contains links CaliAtenza : Take a look at the front page: http://www.nst.com.my/# - Explosive Revelation In Tommorow's NST-- hmmn, the plot thickens...
213 spacecadet : Not sure why that would be. All he'd *really* need to worry about would be the other pilot. The passengers would have no idea there was anything wron
214 hivue : And more copies of the NST get sold.
215 CaliAtenza : they do...the 777 has the same system as their 747s', the Select 3000i system. Its an older AVOD system, but it does have a moving map option. They a
216 SeeTheWorld : Now U.S. officials are looking into lithium batteries ... wtf ...
217 175erj : CNN: Investigators probe whether lithium batteries in cargo could have brought down plane. This further means, nobody has a damn clue.
218 Flaps : I was going to post the same. With some inside help there are any number of military fields/emergency strips where this could be landed, especially i
219 holzmann : Did they read 787 somewhere?
220 EricR : The plot thickens? Sounds more like sensationalized media outlet trying to bolster its readership by saying we have the a answer, but you must tune i
221 cabochris : Suicide and mass murder are two very different things. Two different animals.
222 spacecadet : No, it just means in the absence of having an actual plane to look at and investigate, they're looking at all potential scenarios. Which is what ever
223 Post contains images JimJupiter : That's got to be the most cynical newspaper headline on this yet.
224 AZFAN777 : What I am wondering is as soon as the controllers realized that the plane was missing, why didnt they ask any airplanes flying in the area if they cou
225 AT : The 777 has two transponders so you would typically only switch off the faulty one, no ?
226 na : MH370 is a good reason to rethink, if 911 wasnt. Maybe transponders should be modified so they can only be switched off when the plane is on the grou
227 hivue : Electronic device lithium batteries are manufactured in Malaysia, right? They're probably talking about cargo.
228 Post contains links DTW2HYD : Even though there is so much talk about Andaman & Nicobar Islands search is very close to Indonesia and Thailand at the mouth Strait of Malacca. h
229 davidzill : Totality of the current known circumstances indicate the aircraft was flying to a predetermined destination. Whether that destination was a predetermi
230 SeeTheWorld : But certainly not mutually exclusive ....[Edited 2014-03-14 11:44:06]
231 N328KF : How would a lithium fire have resulted in progressive deterioration that still allowed the aircraft to remain aloft for hours?
232 Mitico12 : What can be so explosive that it can wait for tomorrow's newspaper to be read? lol...what a farce.
233 HNL : It's now been 7 days since the plane disappeared.
234 Post contains links Ecflyer : There is very little around the Shibpur Airstrip in the Andamans. Looks to be a scant 3500'. BUT..... From http://activedefence.blogspot.com/20...val-
235 aftgaffe : So catastrophic failure is back? Are they walking back the idea that there were hours of deliberate flying (i.e. flying involving significant maneuve
236 175erj : No idea... small smoldering fire knocking out the electrical systems. Crew tried to turn plane back but were eventually overcome by smoke and it even
237 slinky09 : I have no opinon on what acts a suicidal person might make, I do not pretend to understand the psychology. However it it is suicide then it's also li
238 UALWN : One of the (many) things I'm not able to understand (and it may not be relevant at all) is the following: the evidence that the plane had been pinging
239 davidzill : No one has a clue, each and every day that goes by without a trace is increasing the chances we will never find the aircraft.
240 456 : But still more convincing to me and sounds more realistic than all those hijack and suicide theories...
241 Post contains images 2008matt : In the UK, Channel Five, have a live documentary on MH370 at 9pm GMT. Should be an interesting watch, considering channel five's other impressive docu
242 CaliAtenza : yeah i thought it was pretty crass but so far the NST just seems to be piggybacking other outlet's stories...
243 k83713 : Whatever technical situation happened, including possible fire of lithium batteries in cargohold, what would keep flight crew from setting the squawk
244 davidzill : The two Iranians boarded without checked or carry on luggage, correct?
245 captjetblast : I understand that until the intact plane, wreckage and eventually the "black boxes" are found, all is speculation. But let me please say what I think.
246 175erj : Agreed... or perhaps they felt a fire suppression system had extinguished the fire, set course for a return, but the fire indeed reignited and a smok
247 JimJupiter : That's not an setablished fact, to say the least... If memory serves, this was falsified after 1 or 2 days.
248 davidzill : I brought up the gradually progressing fire making its way to the avionics bay, combined with the loss of systems, oil rig worker observing burning pl
249 Sligo : the "US officials"-stuff has to end. The SOP for this sort of thing is clearly not working., so if "Us offcials" are going to say anything to anyone,
250 AT : Nothing is impossible, as this incident seems to be showing us more clearly day by day. But, even if in a mentally compromised state due to hypoxia,
251 456 : This entire thread / discussion could be seperated in two seperate questions: 1) where is the plane 2) how did it get there (2b) by whom/why)
252 Post contains links 175erj : The USGS stated that the 'seismic event' has no founding... this is a very seismically active part of the world and it was equivalent to a 2.7 on the
253 slinky09 : And three: if it is intact somewhere, what is the purpose?
254 neutrino : That report was debunked. It never happened. I suppose you didn't read the earlier threads well enough, if at all, as it was mentioned quite a few ti
255 Post contains links CO953 : I haven't seen where this was proved false. There are dozens of recent stories about the "mumbling" - unless the source pilot himself was proved to b
256 davidzill : Sabotage doesn't fit the profile of the pilots, I think suicide unlikely. Hijacking? I think unlikely as well. The Iranians? A few red flags, but othe
257 seat55a : If the quote from Inmarsat in the NY Times (reply 193) is correct, no data would get to Boeing and probably no ordinary "data" was logged at all. It'
258 CO953 : I've tried my best, but when you are working, as I am, sometimes you can't keep up with a monster thread series like this one. Could you please provi
259 SeeTheWorld : It's like low-level government sources are throwing out everything that would have been considered at the outset ... of course, everything is being l
260 747megatop : The key words in aviation incidents are "so far". Looks like it is a problem now and good enough reason for at least one version transponder to be ta
261 DiscoverCSG : How many threads did it takes before an Airbus vs. Boeing solution was posited (however tongue-in-cheek)? A.net is maturing, I guess. That's true if
262 nupogodi : I thought the switch on the transponder panel was to switch between transponder 1 and transponder 2, i.e. switch which one is active in case one is f
263 ComeAndGo : It could be a fuel tank explosion which is an issue with Boeing aircraft.
264 captainx : I do believe the cabin pressure system will not allow the pilot to manually exceed 14,000 ft cabin pressure. It's an actual physical limit on the outf
265 slinky09 : Can you justify that? AKA move on, silly comment.
266 JimJupiter : The very fact that we can't even agree on the factuality of what is presumably the last word heard from the plane (it was discussed early in theese t
267 Caryjack : This is what my posts on this thread concerned. Has anyone seen a post that states the actual fuel load and TOW? Thanks, Cary Quoting slinky09 (Reply
268 manny : This story has had so many angles and so many weird theories, The only way this can get more weirder is if the transponders come on and the plane land
269 ChaosTheory : You're looking at a 100+ airports. I doubt they could check them all in 15 minutes. Assuming they didn't take extra fuel, at the point of disappearan
270 FCAFLYBOY : I am finding the constant back tracking and changing theories quite exhausting. I would also like to know the fuel in board figures too. Just as an as
271 Post contains images hivue : On April 1.
272 CO953 : How unbelievably frustrating! I have been scouring Google but cannot find any story about the "mumbling" being debunked, whereas the description of t
273 imatams : Have you been watching 'Contact'? (the Jodie Foster SF film)
274 Caryjack : According to a post somewhere on this thread, they did. IIRC Vietnam air controllers called those in Malaysia inquiring about the airliner just after
275 solarflyer22 : That's an interesting point. How closely can they actually triangulate the pings? I don't see how it would depressurize above 14K ft. There is no man
276 neutrino : Actually, that's quite true. Really hard to keep up, the warp speed at which these threads are zipping across hyperspace. On reflection, not that dif
277 ComeAndGo : There's been 12 military Boeing aircraft & 15 civil Boeing aircraft that had fuel tank explosions. The most recent was in Thailand In the mid 90'
278 TwoSixLeft : Or maybe something like the Twilight Zone episode where a 707 goes back in time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_of_Flight_33 Sadly, that's
279 Post contains images Unflug : Thanks! That is more than a sanity check, an island in a wide ocean
280 btblue : The crew would have been preparing for meal service approx 40 minutes after takeoff. Ovens on, and there is a galley adjoining the cockpit. Possibilit
281 cat3appr50 : Per CNN Lithium battery fire in the cargo hold as a potential root cause huh...so instead of an immediate diversion back to the departure airport (aft
282 ChaosTheory : That is not the procedure for cargo fire.
283 flyenthu : The Malaysian Airforce had initially indicated catching something flying to the west on its radar. Does that check with the satellite ping locations t
284 vfw614 : Particularly given the semi-professional flight sim the CPT has at his home. Would probably be interesting to check where he had flown the 777 to in
285 ROSWELL41 : Curious as to how you've reached that conclusion? There is a precedence for that type of behavior - see Egyptair 990, Silkair 185 and LAM Mozambique
286 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to length this thread will be locked for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes on
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