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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 47101 times:
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)


**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline



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User currently offlineaftgaffe From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 47201 times:

Quoting BridYYC (Reply 341):
My understanding was the good night message came a short while (12 minutes or something) after ACARS was switched off. Since we know the plane flew for hours after, I would think that any depressurization that might have occurred would have after the final communication. There's no reason I can think of that it would have occurred in that 12(?) minute window.

The reason I was suggesting the depressurization might have occurred / begun before the lass comm with ATC was because there seems to be a consensus that ACARS was turned off 12 minutes before the transponder. Why not turn them off together? One reason might have been that he wanted to begin depressurizing (which ACARS would report, I believe) before he wanted to disappear from secondary radar (which was the point immediately after the last comm with ATC).

Could be other explanations - just airing that one.


User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 47076 times:

could there be on the plane people not on the manifest that are oh high interest to someone and with a high value?

User currently offlinehotelbravo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 46893 times:

If both pilots are disabled (or disable each other) on the flight deck with the cockpit door locked, is there any way for FAs or pax to gain access or would the plane be doomed to run out of fuel?

User currently offlineSnowjob From Canada, joined Jul 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 46885 times:
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RE: nupogodi (Reply 339) in thread 27:

I sure hope so....since I've had MSFS since 1983 (floppy disk on my Commodore 64) and still play around with my FSX (on a much better system, mind you) 31 years later. So G_d forbid i'm ever in a catastrophic and mysterious aviation event and this post comes back to haunt me.

Should they vigorously pursue every lead and angle? Absolutely. In fact, I want to believe that behind the scenes and out of the public eye they have been doing just that. And, in deference to the Malaysians, it's mostly people here who are making the political connection and not (at least publicly) the Malaysian government. No offence people here.

I guess -- and in all fairness I don't know the true political temperature in Malaysia right now -- that the internal and personal political passions of the pilots become another thing I simply don't want to worry about while flying. How many pilots in our own sphere, on any given day, may be pissed off at Harper or Obama or Brown or Merkel or Hollande? Even on the micro level of federal government involvement in labour disputes?


User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 46652 times:

Quoting Snowjob (Reply 4):

they are humans and before they become pilots they are also members of the public, so they are affected by politics too


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17054 posts, RR: 67
Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 46278 times:

Quoting hotelbravo (Reply 3):

If both pilots are disabled (or disable each other) on the flight deck with the cockpit door locked, is there any way for FAs or pax to gain access or would the plane be doomed to run out of fuel?

Given time, you might be able to get through the door. It's armored but it's not exactly like a bank vault.

On a plane of that size there would be at least one crash axe in the cabin, plus the fire extinguishers which you can bash with. You could probably scrounge up some tools.



From previous thread:

Nupogodi: I have to say, I'm quite amused at all the people in this thread that think cell phones work in the flight levels. "Why didn't they call anyone?!" Let me thiiiiiiiink.

Answer: Indeed. I would often have difficulty picking up a cell signal at 3000ft in a Cessna 172 at 100 knots while flying over towns in Florida. Contrast with MH370 which was at 35000ft in a 777 (more shielding) at 400knots over the ocean.


fooflyboy: Is [the ELT] accessible from the cabin in any way do you know?

Answer: AFAIK ot would be outside the pressure vessel somewhere behind the after pressure bulkhead so no.


ikrameriak: Flight simulators don't hijack planes. People hijack planes. But you can use a flight sim to plan it...

Answer: Yes. Conversely though, you don't actually need a flight simulator to plan it. An iPad and ForeFlight or equivalent is fine. Or Skyvector.com.


777Jet: But would he be able to work out how to fly without being traced? Things like that... Would he be able to work out the different effects on radar, etc. after turning off the transponder or pulling the breaker in the EE bay?

Answer: No, that would not be possible in MS Flight Simulator. For that matter it probably wouldn't be possible in a full blown full motion sim. To simulate that kind of stuff you probably have to have access to military data, and from different countries to boot. I suppose he could have looked at a map of radar coverage but that only gives you "commercial" and publicly known radar coverage. Air defense radar capabilities tend not to be publicized.

[Edited 2014-03-15 19:31:55]

[Edited 2014-03-15 19:41:54]


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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 46273 times:

Quoting Snowjob (Reply 4):
How many pilots in our own sphere, on any given day, may be pissed off at Harper or Obama or Brown or Merkel or Hollande?

Our political reality (in Canada, re: Harper) is... a little different, to say the least.



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User currently offlineSnowjob From Canada, joined Jul 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 46133 times:
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Quoting capri (Reply 5):
they are humans and before they become pilots they are also members of the public, so they are affected by politics too

True enough. I suppose my comment is based on (1) no prior incidents (as far as I'm aware) in which a larger political motive against the home country or home government of the pilot was the motive and (2) my personal desire not to have to worry about this in the grand scheme of aviation safety.


User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 46146 times:

of all we know it could even came back and landed in KUL and no one knows a thing, this is getting reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally fishy

User currently offlinepassenger8170 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 46015 times:

The cargo angle feels weak to me. Why would any nation or terrorist group want to get on the wrong side of China? Remember, that plane was full of Chinese citizens. What do the hijackers intend to do--take the cargo and send back the passengers? Well, it's been a week and I haven't heard about the passengers being dropped off anywhere.

Except for its own internal terrorist issues, China has pretty much stayed out of the global hunting of terrorists. Why get China involved by kidnapping 150 of its citizens? Plus, although I wouldn't call them allies, China and Iran do business together. China is friends with North Korea. The Norks have helped Iran with its nuclear project. It doesn't make any sense.

Now, if that plane was full of Americans, or Israelis, I could understand. But Chinese? It seems that would be opening a whole new can of worms for whoever took the plane.

Even if it's the Uighurs (or however you spell their name), I'm sure China has spies all over that region of their country--especially considering the recent knife attack, somebody would've heard something by now. The story is too big, there are so many nations involved, lots of countries spending their own cash to finance the search effort, etc. In addition, if we've thought of it on here, I'm sure the Chinese Government has thought of it as well. I'm sure they are mining every informant they have trying to find out if the Uighurs did it. And I think they would've heard something by now.

In fact, bizarrely, the country with the best reason to hijack a plane with Chinese on it right now is Japan due to the disagreement the two countries are having over those islands.

Okay, so some kind of "terrorist" group hijacked the plane or paid one of the pilots to hijack it, the jet eventually landed on land controlled by some country out there. And I gotta believe that that country--Iran, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, etc.--would've known by now and fessed up. Once again, the last thing any of these countries wanna do--whether they had anything to do with it or not--is get on the wrong side of China. It's in any of their best interests to clear their names as quickly as possible.


User currently offlineTangowhisky From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 930 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 46018 times:

Hello all,

I missed it at the last thread as it is now too long, so I am reposting. I have a few questions and some comments. I would really appreciate if some attempts can be made to answer my questions.

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 13):
only he can sign the fuel sheet, if FO put an extra 2 hours worth of fuel, the captain could refuse

What would it take to conceal and falsify the actual amount of fuel the aircraft was fueled with from the airline? Would it be the captain and one other person?

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 66):
We know that if any mobile phones were connected to the tower - we would have a location and would search there.

If let's say all passengers died on the plane from deliberate hypoxia (depressurization), but a few cell phones of 239 aboard were never turned off, is it possible that the authorities have picked up the roaming of those phones (assuming the plane is hijacked)?

Quoting pvjin (Reply 79):
The idea of someone using the aircraft as a weapon is rather absurd. If someone is powerful enough to organize a hijack like this surely buying some old jetliner as a fake start up airline shouldn't be too much of a problem.

But the aw and shock of using the same 777 that disappeared magnifies the impact terror. The fact that having a pilot as a conspirator from the get-go, and having the best technology to pull off the final weapon delivery make sense. Any comments?

Quoting pvjin (Reply 120):
If terrorists were behind this they would've most definitely used the plane already for whatever purposes they wanted to use it. Waiting would only increase risks.

Agree. But what if their perfect plan now has holes? The fact that the satellite pings now tell us the airplane flew 7 more hours now changes the dynamics. The terrorists now know that this airplane is being sought for by several countries. Air defense systems are in higher alert. So they have no choicse but to wait. Comments?

Quoting capri (Reply 133):
If it was really a pilot suicide why he couldn't bid for a more favourable and remote route to do so, so he can't be discovered, why choose a congested route, then all these turns and zig zags and such

Agreed

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 192):
It is highly likely the pilot was not even aware of SATCOM pings/keep-alives. This is a low-level detail about how networking works. I think many professionals were surprised to learn this week about SATCOM's constant contact.

And this is why I believe their perfect plan missed one small detail (the SATCOM was still pinging). Does anyone know if there are seatback phones for the pax in this 777 with satellite service? If so, is it a different unit than the one the crew use? If there is such a pax unit, it would be interesting to know if/when it too was turned off.



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User currently offlinedavidzill From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45920 times:

The only thing that makes sense is that it landed somewhere. Pilot suicide makes no sense. Every action seems choreographed, well planned, and probably has people involved that weren't even on the aircraft. Unites States intelligence is hinting that the pilots may have gone rogue. This is definitely not a lone-wolf operation...there was something to be gained by someone. I think the captain's wife needs to be thoroughly interrogated, she will know something if the Captain intended on anything where he wouldn't be coming home anymore. We need to stop the talk on ACARS, transponder, range, etc. Now, good psychological profiling and detective work of the pilots, crew, and passengers will be all that leads to where this aircraft is, and what happened. Billions of dollars of U.S. Naval hardware is combing the seas with the most high tech, classified SONAR, and so far, empty-handed. If we aren't aggressively searching every airports within range, we aren't doing enough. The satellite data has provided us a circle, not a triangulated position, of possible routes that appears to cover an entire hemisphere.

User currently offlineSnowjob From Canada, joined Jul 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45781 times:
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Quoting nupogodi (Reply 8):
Our political reality (in Canada, re: Harper) is... a little different, to say the least.

It most certainly is. I would never presume to judge the citizens of a non-Western, non-democratic country and their trials and tribulations and frustrations. I know how lucky we are.


User currently offlineranold76 From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45771 times:

If you're in Malaysia, being on a planet with 80% water, you don't need to fly 6-7 hours to commit suicide in deep water. You may need to fly 6-7 hours to reach a specific spot....suicide or not.

User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45388 times:

Quoting davidzill (Reply 13):
We need to stop the talk on ACARS, transponder, range, etc

agreed, me too from beginning I thought all these non sense about ACARS and pings and Satcom were a well calculated decoys and the slow process from Malaysian government, and not checking pilots home until a week later, this is more of what we think it is, it will end up a high profile security/ military/espionage thing


User currently offline777Jet From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 1888 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45407 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 10):
of all we know it could even came back and landed in KUL and no one knows a thing, this is getting reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally fishy

It's not like a MH 777 landing at KUL would be strange or make the news...

The only thing I would be prepared to rule out at this stage is a Pam Am 103 type event or structural failure as no wreckage has been found, but then again, it could have been blown up later on in the flight to where ever... All I'm suggesting is that the plane did not break up around the area where the transponder stopped and ATC communication was lost.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45401 times:

CaliAtenza - a destination such as Iran comes close to the 3,675 mileage quoted by flyingwithfish. In addition, based on what he said, this is one destination where the plane will be difficult for international authorities to locate and Iran would be able to use the "cargo" on the plane to suit their needs.

User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45395 times:

Quoting ranold76 (Reply 15):
If you're in Malaysia, being on a planet with 80% water, you don't need to fly 6-7 hours to commit suicide in deep water. You may need to fly 6-7 hours to reach a specific spot....suicide or not.

You might want to if you want to avoid getting intercepted and don't want the wreckage to be found. A grim thought, but explains the flight path assuming they went south.



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User currently offlinefooflyboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45268 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 6):
AFAIK it would be outside the pressure vessel somewhere behind the after pressure bulkhead so no.

So a crash on land is effectively ruled out then, correct? No way to disable the ELT, and we never heard it...


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17054 posts, RR: 67
Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45123 times:

Quoting davidzill (Reply 13):
We need to stop the talk on ACARS, transponder, range, etc.

Why?

Quoting davidzill (Reply 13):
This is definitely not a lone-wolf operation
Quoting davidzill (Reply 13):
Pilot suicide makes no sense.
Quoting davidzill (Reply 13):
The only thing that makes sense is that it landed somewhere.

None of these suppositions have any evidence to support them.

Quoting ranold76 (Reply 15):

If you're in Malaysia, being on a planet with 80% water, you don't need to fly 6-7 hours to commit suicide in deep water. You may need to fly 6-7 hours to reach a specific spot....suicide or not.

Depends how badly you want the plane to disappear. If you fly 6 hours into the southern Indian Ocean and then ditch, that plane would be very very hard to find.

Quoting Snowjob (Reply 14):

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 8):
Our political reality (in Canada, re: Harper) is... a little different, to say the least.

It most certainly is. I would never presume to judge the citizens of a non-Western, non-democratic country and their trials and tribulations and frustrations. I know how lucky we are.

Malaysia is a democracy. That isn't to say it doesn't have big political issues, but it is a democracy.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45133 times:

Quoting Snowjob (Reply 14):
It most certainly is. I would never presume to judge the citizens of a non-Western, non-democratic country and their trials and tribulations and frustrations. I know how lucky we are.

True, but his rant about remodeling his house sure sounds like a typical day as a contractor in Southern California...



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 45148 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 16):

Quoting davidzill (Reply 13):
We need to stop the talk on ACARS, transponder, range, etc

agreed, me too from beginning I thought all these non sense about ACARS and pings and Satcom were a well calculated decoys and the slow process from Malaysian government, and not checking pilots home until a week later, this is more of what we think it is, it will end up a high profile security/ military/espionage thing

After AF447 and MH370, nobody will ever stop talking about ACARS when a flight gets lost in the flight levels. I think that's a good thing.



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 44943 times:

where was this plane before actual flight, does it have anything to do with the follow up flight?? its history disappeared from fr24??

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 46588 times:

Quoting davidzill (Reply 13):
I think the captain's wife needs to be thoroughly interrogated,

I saw in the tweets on the flyingwithfish guys feed he was asked to verify the pilots wife left him a day prior to the flight.

Quoting passenger8170 (Reply 11):
The cargo angle feels weak to me

I would tend to agree, but Im not going to repost what I put at the end of the last thread, but this flyingwithfish guy does seem to have some credibility and he is very much focused on cargo. And it does seem an odd coincidence the x-ray machine was conveniently inop at the time, yet this flight alone leaves with cargo when others didnt. Again, I struggle to believe it myself, but this guy seems to think he has decent enough intel to suppose the plane is in Isfahan Iran right now...



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25 nupogodi : It's not very democratic when you put the opposition leader in prison for an archaic law with flimsy evidence just to hold on to the power your party
26 Tapir : Earlier report indicated that the last ping was over water. It wasn't clear if they meant by "the plane flew for hours..." or the "plane flew four hou
27 nupogodi : There have been cases where ELTs don't trigger, or are heavily damage. It's unlikely, though.
28 Starlionblue : Actually no. The range on an ELT transmitter is only 20-30km IIRC so it can very easily be missed, especially if the wrong area is searched (as it wa
29 ikramerica : Varig had some for scrap. Heck, AI has 77Ls they don't want.
30 Starlionblue : The previous flight was HKG-KUL, and presumably the one before that was the reciprocal. Fair point.
31 timothy31388 : Agree with what you said.
32 ikramerica : But what's the range? If it's shot down over China, the Chinese would be the ones locating the wreck, disabling the ELTs, cleaning it up as quickly a
33 EricR : You are misinterpreting his use of the term "cargo". The cargo he is referring to may not be in the cargo section of the plane, but directly above it
34 stasisLAX : So I'm watching CNN and some of the technical guests that they have on are confusing. Regarding the entrance to the avionics bay on the 777-200, is it
35 Snowjob : Did not mean to offend. I suppose my comparison to 'Western Democracies' was made in the context of the apparent issue of the pilot in question.
36 jelliesR : his wife left him(?), his hope for more representative democracy was literally just ruled out of contention for years, if not decades, he was at the c
37 capri : does that mean his wife got something to do with it???
38 ranold76 : Not if the water depth is similar at 2hrs from takeoff, than it is at 6hrs etc. That's IF depth was the objective. Also, the INMARSAT arcs don't acco
39 777Jet : KUL-DPS-KUL-BOM-KUL-DPS-KUL-DAC-KUL-HKG-KUL - - - - - - - - PEK What about Bangladesh?
40 Post contains images YVRLTN : I guess I am - please explain Anyway, does anyone have any idea who this guy is?
41 tomlee : Not true if they aren't using the oldest ELTs in existence even after everyone was told to phase out the older ones for years. Since 2009 the traditi
42 Post contains images nupogodi : INMARSAT is not a geolocation satellite and the 777 is not equipped with an atomic clock, to my knowledge! All of this is back-calculating from what
43 capri : how about flight number itself MH370 is it only KUL-PEK or it starts somewhere???
44 tomlee : The search range is between/around those two points technically speaking and I doubt the points themselves are very accurate either. With only one (I
45 difrano789 : Just to make clear of something, cell phones doesnt work at high altitudes because cell towers are designed for horizontal spread not vertical, its a
46 canoecarrier : I don't know the culture at Malaysian but even if all the pax were asleep the FAs presumably weren't. Would it be out of the ordinary for the cockpit
47 undertheradar : 'cargo' could be interpreted as the 'whole physical aircraft and ALL its contents..humans included.. and whoever this twit (oops tweet) guy is.....I
48 EricR : I would read his tweets and draw your own conclusion.[Edited 2014-03-15 20:26:47]
49 Dalavia : His twitter page identifies him as follows: Flying With Fish @flyingwithfish Steven Frischling-Travel Social Media Consultant; Aviation Security Expe
50 suseJ772 : I think it also has to do with speed. Even if it COULD get signal up there, a flight at cruise speed would require the phone be passing off the signa
51 CaliAtenza : if its Iran, its probably a faction that is against Rahani and the moves to open up to the West.
52 777Jet : I believe it was only for KUL-PEK. The return was 371. Both flight numbers were retired out of respect on 14 March and IIRC are now 318 / 319.
53 nupogodi : Yup, that's what I said. It's not a path, it's more like a ... region of probability? For any one ping that they receive, they can calculate an appro
54 Post contains links tomlee : Cellphone calls probably won't work but random text messages, network registrations may occur especially if your below 30,000 ft and in a area of goo
55 Starlionblue : AFAIK the avionics bay is not directly accessible from the cockpit. You have to exit the cockpit and get at it from the floor behind the cockpit. Fro
56 capri : after reading his tweets, I think the outcome cld be very sickening of what he means by liabilities and collaterals eliminated, this is worse than cra
57 passenger8170 : See, the problem I have with the cargo angle is this: If the pilot was involved, how would he know what the jet was carrying? Whether Pakistan/Iran/et
58 koruman : I think you have completely misunderstood how international politics - and terrorism - work. The government of Japan is not going to seize a Malaysia
59 EricR : Yeah, that is why I did not post it here......
60 CaliAtenza : So lets say it turns out to be Iran?; what then...China and the US team up to initiate regime change?!? Lets hope those passengers (flying with fish r
61 jcxroberts : Do we have confirmation his wife left him ? Because that is a huge 'tell' and also a possible cause. I think it's a rumor.
62 undertheradar : based on all that ....I really hope FWF is sharing info with SAR...because it seems FWF knows more than SAR do and FWF isn't/hasn't shared info....FW
63 Burchfiel : I just pray that everyone on board is still alive, and hopefully free.
64 Post contains images mandala499 : OMFG! I've been playing FS since 1990, I go on online flying as pilot and ATC, I simulate aircraft intercept online as pilot and as ATC (which could
65 CaliAtenza : he just tweeted again: Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 1m DHS source says “It is unlikely #MH370 headed south and its exact direction of travel
66 nupogodi : You've basically just admitted to hijacking this aircraft, you terrorist...
67 tomlee : Of course one of the only problems is without some secondary tracking evidence to narrow it down (cellphone registrations, other primary radar tracks
68 Post contains links chrisrad : Flying fish guy on Twitter seems to be on the money DHS source says “It is unlikely #MH370 headed south and its exact direction of travel remains un
69 Post contains links and images B2707SST : Agreed. Just to refresh everyone's memory, here are the red position arcs: Remember, these arcs are NOT flight paths. They indicate that when the las
70 Lindenwold : Huh? He gets most if not all of his info from DHS.
71 CaliAtenza : god i hope the good guys are ready to rescue the passengers if they are still alive. The fact that DHS has the exact mileage number..makes me think t
72 EricR : Well, according to him, some will still be alive.
73 CaliAtenza : i hope to God they will be. In fact i hope ALL will be alive...not just some.
74 777Jet : I agree. Probably a rumor but if true, that might have been what caused the snap... The Anwar trial hours earlier and then the wife leaving... If she
75 capri : how about US knew in advance what wld happen and were already on board and rescued it and took it to Guam????? doeas Guam falls in 7.5 hrs flight? jus
76 suseJ772 : I know what you are saying. And I too learned a lot from MSFS. And you are one of the few people who I respect on this forum. But yes, IF there were
77 suseJ772 : I didn't think of that, but IF that mileage number is accurate, then I bet you are right.
78 edmountain : Not meaning to put words in your mouth, but I think you mean to say these are simply theories, because they are anything but simple. They are in fact
79 undertheradar : FWF 'plays' with us and our gullibility....I wish I could find out who FWF REALLY IS...#immadashell
80 777Jet : About 3,675 miles? 3,675 is a pretty precise number...
81 CaliAtenza : lets hope its SEAL Team 6....or Delta Force. Problem is, if the country is Iran, then oh boy how do we get the people out without the Iranians ever k
82 tomlee : Also not true, the phone gets to pick what tower to talk to or the network can help as well (Cellphone's rarely gets "confused" as they have to handl
83 capri : but the question that came up now, who wanted the cargo??? and the 2nd question since DHS knew a lot from the beginning so there is another party that
84 Post contains images suseJ772 : I am sure socalgeo will do a better job, but here is a map. Assuming they made it to IGREX, that left 2,735nm which would mean it is somewhere along t
85 Post contains links TheWipp : The flyingfish guy is referring to stories like this regarding the "Cargo": http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-ai...emiconductor-top-employees-1440097
86 Dalavia : I don't have the sense that he is playing with anyone. His tweets have been following a consistent line on MH370 since he started. He has also emphas
87 CaliAtenza : This is why he says IFN (Isfahan) Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m @mindoca @jn_moore @polaris01usa My determination for IFN is known distance,
88 phantomx18 : Has anyone postulated that maybe the pilot was gay, and enraged by the events with the sodomy verdict, and possibly coming out to his wife (or having
89 CaliAtenza : I can't wait for the breaking news on CNN that the plane has been found in Iran...because surely that has to be the next thing to happen, if we are t
90 Post contains images chrisrad : Agree, all his tweets have been consistent with news that comes out well after.
91 dreamflight767 : As of now, we are speculating that whomever was in control of the aircraft was trying to "hide". But, what if the opposite is true? What if the action
92 edmountain : Not sure I understand the value of this. Has the idea of it being somewhere along one of the arcs at 0811h has been abandoned?
93 CaliAtenza : Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 30s @polaris01usa @mindoca @jn_moore Since Monday DHS & NTSB have told me they have no evidence it crashed, bu
94 Post contains images YVRLTN : It does - the only thing that would make it work - and I dont agree that it does FWIW - is if the pilots were NOT in on the game and this was done by
95 nupogodi : Talking to too many towers at once does actually pose a problem, but assuming you had good signal strength and the network was robust enough to switc
96 Starlionblue : All you have to do is check his Twitter profile: Steven Frischling-Travel Social Media Consultant; Aviation Security Expert
97 davidzill : True to a degree, but we have nothing to gain from the data received from ACARS in this incident, or lack thereof in fact, just digital footprints th
98 edmountain : Interesting idea but I would have thought the easiest way to provoke such a response would be to fly directly at a major population centre, i.e. Kual
99 undertheradar : wow...just wow!!! ..just gives me more cause to debunk FWF ... (i'm reading between the lines...psychologically)
100 Dalavia : I just had a look at Esfahan Airport on Google Maps (satellite view). It certainly has some decent runways. Interestingly, right next door is 8th She
101 CaliAtenza : Funny how we haven't heard about those 2 chaps after the initial investigation dismissed them as mere asylum seekers headed towards Europe. Also that
102 suseJ772 : Flying with Fish was reporting that US Intelligence said the plane flew 3,675 miles - which is a pretty specific number. It of course isn't official,
103 CaliAtenza : why would you debunk him? Clearly he has sources inside the TSA/DHS and the TSA wasn't happy about it. They wouldn't go after him if he didn't have s
104 CaliAtenza : Well there may be an answer to the phone question, however scary it might be: Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 50s @PCarSBA Maybe if you wanted eve
105 Post contains links TheWipp : Story about pilots wife can be found here via google: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2507796/pg1 Seems like it's eben some Chinese ne
106 mandala499 : I forgot to mention that I am also a Muslim... I enjoy smoking in aircraft cockpits when they allow me, and yes, I love chatting women up in the cock
107 undertheradar : LOL... you believe a 'profile' on the www.
108 ranold76 : I know it's not a path, it's within the range of the arc to the geosat position location. That is why I mentioned deviation from that arc, as it like
109 Post contains links max999 : The New York Times has a damning report that says the Malaysian military missed an opportunity to intercept the plane as it was flying west across the
110 davidzill : I doubt the aircraft could enter Iranian airspace without government cooperation. With the threat of Israeli strikes against Iran nuclear facilities a
111 B2707SST : I see a few major problems with both the "guided missile" and Uighur hostage situation theories: Guided Missile If I'm a terrorist planning to use an
112 edmountain : Thanks. Seems to me that unless we are to completely throw out the arcs (and I see no reason to do so) then the highest probability locations would b
113 shortstack81 : Even though his data are consistent, and bits of it are confirmed within 24 hours, they only seem to be leaking to him. If they're leaking to other j
114 capri : so why still China quiet about those 20 engineers????
115 Post contains links and images suseJ772 : I didn't say more relevant. Those would be pretty relevant too. Especially if you highlighted something Using FWF mileage, this is about the closest
116 Dalavia : I am not sure about that. Weren't the WSJ articles based on high level leaks, perhaps from similar sources?
117 CaliAtenza : Rahani would invite a possible regime change by the major powers of the world. You can bet the US and China would team up to do it too, since the pla
118 virgin744 : Something odd about the Texas Instruments twitter post..Why would they offer condolences to the family of the employees on the plane if it hasn't tech
119 AR385 : I would think that if Iran is in on this at any level. Let me rephrase this, if the government of Iran, is in on this at any level, they´ve just turn
120 Tapir : Politically, China and Malaysia cooperate in many issues. Maybe, they too not telling the whole truth and waiting for Malaysia to come clean. I am sp
121 CaliAtenza : they are leaking to the WSJ as well; even if its a little later. The WSJ broke the story about the pings. Their reporter was on NPR and gave an inter
122 suseJ772 : The arcs didn't quite make sense to me. Are we suppose to believe he flew the arc percisely, or are these just points that he hit, but could have con
123 tomlee : GSM doesn't even support soft-handoffs and the phone picks the tower to talk to. Not to mention GSM has a max range of 114829 feet if your talking ab
124 CaliAtenza : what if its not the entire government, but just a faction? Clearly we know Rohani doesn't really run all the show in Iran; the Mullahs and Military a
125 B2707SST : Please read my post 70 above. The airplane was somewhere ON, or very near, those arcs when it sent its final SATCOM ping. This means it was nowhere n
126 edmountain : Recognizing that @flyingwithfish has a proven track record, I remain highly skeptical of the "safe on the ground in enemy hands" theories. I still do
127 777Jet : That was a theory on the Ethiopian 767 incident a few weeks ago. Nonetheless, the Ethiopian incident illustrates just how easy it is for one pilot to
128 nupogodi : Gods no. Please read the thread.
129 CaliAtenza : according to him, its not about the other hostages or the plane; its specifically either about the cargo in the hold or those 20 employees from Frees
130 shortstack81 : The arcs are not the path of the aircraft. They're related to where the aircraft possibly was based on the pings to the satellite, which is in a geos
131 IADLHR : The problem is that there is no place to hide the plane in Guam. By this time someone would have seen it and workd would have leaked out.
132 TheWipp : That flying fish guy is not talking about terrorism in a 'classical' way. He's talking about landing the plane, taking "cargo" (probably the Freescal
133 11Bravo : I think you do misunderstand. The northern and southern arcs are an intersection point not a flight path. The aircraft's last position was somewhere
134 Post contains links suseJ772 : Fair enough. I definitely concede that I don't know enough about SATCOM and the calculations that go into it. The only place where the SATCOM and the
135 flyenthu : I was thinking of all that has taken place since MH 370 went missing. A lot of it is complex with many angles and twists and turns. So, I was trying t
136 tomlee : That and the sat arc's estimate endpoint doesn't mean the flight was there it just means that is the limits of where they think it could be according
137 koruman : Guam and the rest of Micronesia is just like the central Indian Ocean around Diego Garcia: it's an American lake, and a highly defended one with the
138 edmountain : How bizarre.
139 tomlee : Why don't we just search up their linkedin profiles.
140 CaliAtenza : Yeah i thought so too, but then again the Iranians, if who it turns out to be who did this, are desparate to get that nuke all setup and ready to go.
141 flyenthu : I am sure they are searching all of their social media records.
142 Post contains links Tapir : A bit of DCA head's background here. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...r-attack-from-hong-kong-based-dail
143 edmountain : Assuming a direct route. If the flight path is not direct then all sorts of other solutions are possible.
144 travelhound : His connection in that case was an anonymous Google email account. In this case (MH370) he might simply just be a means of delivering information by
145 Post contains links suseJ772 : Which routed from IGREX look something like this: http://skyvector.com/?ll=25.24999561...AL:F.VO.IGREX:G.40.488966,93.50004 It puts them right throug
146 TheWipp : Whatever happened, I just can't believe nobody knows what happened! All the technical stuff, pings, etc asside, I bet some government or agency or who
147 CaliAtenza : FWF said that its possible to get through Indian airspace...
148 flyenthu : Per CNN, apparently INdian military radar is not activated unless there is a threat. So, theoretically they could have gone unnoticed.
149 Post contains links suseJ772 : VERY interesting. The nearest airport I could find near the SATCOM and FWF Mileage intersection is Arkalyk Airport with an 8,200 ft runway. The routi
150 tomlee : Strange isn't radar meant to tell you if there is an incoming unknown threat or I guess they only turn it on if they think there might be something c
151 EricR : How do you know it went unnoticed? Very possible it was noticed. Just because the media has not been made aware of this fact does not mean it went un
152 Post contains links Dalavia : I have no idea how specifically relevant this will become (the article is four and a half years old), but for the sake of completeness I am sharing th
153 capri : the slow climbing of the aircraft that was reported before, will tell you that it had more fuel that first was thought
154 flyenthu : Are the investigators not working on voice recognition of the last words from the cockpit, if it came from pilots or someone else? It appears that the
155 EricR : Military vs. commercial radar. Probably no immediate need to have military radar on, but commercial radar on.
156 Post contains links suseJ772 : I don't. I freely admit that. Just thought they would have said something. You would think so. The Wikipedia page says the airport at the cross of th
157 737tdi : To respond to the idea of defeating the cockpit door. It would be very hard if a person were trying from the outside. I can not speak to the 777 but I
158 davidzill : Where would they park in Diego Garcia? Next to the B-52, B-2, or the B-1? Highly unlikely it even got close to Diego Garcia, same goes for Guam.
159 edmountain : Not going unnoticed and getting through are not mutually exclusive: both can happen. Indeed, that's exactly what happened as MH370 passed westward ov
160 StaticShock : I signed up here just to say thank you for this post and for adding some much-needed perspective to this thread. I am not trying to make a big thing
161 capri : very interesting indeed, this will heat up in future dependant on the outcome of this tragidy
162 suseJ772 : That's more along the lines of what I was trying to say.
163 TXspotter : Why would WE know this by now? A lot of different departments of the US, countries, and companies MIGHT know SOME things. So the idea that they would
164 edmountain : One of the talking heads on CNN said the voice behind "All right, good night" was identified as being one of the flight crew but I've seen no corrobo
165 suseJ772 : For what it is worth, Flying with Fish just told me via Tweet that he believes the SATCOM arcs are inaccurate and that "others agree." That the 3,675
166 FltAdmiralRitt : It would take sophisticated training and equipment for an agent not in the flight deck to accomplish a highjacking. The following steps would have to
167 cabochris : Ever flown over India in the middle of the night.... Not a sound on the comm. Wow, it looks like even the Indians were asleep. There are large areas i
168 Post contains links Dalavia : I have to say that his map does look more like a more realistic, detailed and analytical representation. http://pic.twitter.com/oVhSU9cOAs {Edit: I d
169 k83713 : I think it's not about xenophobia or lack of pain which I'm sure every normal person feels for those on board. See, this is quite specialized place i
170 edmountain : How can you say it's more realistic if you don't know where the plane actually is? If the plane is at the bottom of the ocean then it's far from real
171 Post contains links chrcaremanav : Hi! Here is an article by Ben Sandilands at Plane Talking. Take care. Have a nice night or day. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...ntinue-to-baffl
172 Post contains links chrisrad : interesting tweet from flying with fish @morettiphd I believe the aircraft was flown, landed, off loaded of what they wanted, plane & collateral l
173 Post contains links tomlee : The kidnapping of the Freescale employee's or their cargo is a far fetched given how paranoid the US is in letting US companies do sensitive work or e
174 boacvc10 : Those satcom arcs are elevation angles from ground, towards the satellite position over the western indian ocean, equatorial point, and yes, they are
175 flood : Also according to FwF, they're not. 13h ago: "What happened to the passengers? A5: In my opinion they were eliminated." 2h ago: "I believe the aircra
176 Dalavia : I say this because it looks at flight specific routes, waypoints, actual distances etc, rather than just drawing two big arcs on a map. Then I add th
177 tomlee : Inaccurate, yes but they are somewhere within the two points (with a fat buffer for errors) as from what I gather about how they figured out the roug
178 ikramerica : You signed up just to conflate an authoritarian government with a race of people so as to label anyone who might question the motives or actions of a
179 tomlee : No the big arcs represent the signal strength of the satellite and the distance to the geostationary IOR sat. They do not represent the flight path.
180 edmountain : I'm still skeptical--although he's certainly better informed than me. I read through his Twitter feed and it seems he was given the number 3675 miles
181 737tdi : I believe that everyone here is responding out of disbelief. I believe they are responding with sorrow as well. The prayers and condolences are over.
182 ValleyFlyer : There was discussion here that ACARS can we "turned off" on the CDU. There is an ACARS message type 5P, Temporary suspension of ACARS with a response
183 B2707SST : I can only say you are very welcome. My deepest condolences to you and everyone else affected by this awful incident. Let's hope that this mystery wi
184 edmountain : If the arcs are to be believed then you can get a little more confidence than that. The arcs apparently represent the range of possible positions of
185 k83713 : It will make sense to have FDR information stored in "cloud" from now and on. And no opportunity to turn it off from the cockpit. Seems like old days
186 edmountain : But the two bigs arcs are not flight paths so you're comparing apples to polar bears.
187 k83713 : As I understand these arcs is just a set of points from where the signal could come once (only once), when Inmarsat detected it. Then the plane could
188 dampfnudel : And how would they know there's a threat if they can't detect an unidentified aircraft approaching their airspace??? It looks like the people/governm
189 k83713 : I wonder will it be found before it melted...And how you deal if it is done.
190 dampfnudel : What are you talking about?
191 Dalavia : Okay, thank you for these clarifications. I confess I was working under a misunderstanding, or an incomplete understanding. Your comments have been h
192 k83713 : Referring to tweets from Flying Fish and idea of plane being eliminated on the ground [Edited 2014-03-15 23:07:33]
193 jetblueguy22 : Not a chance this will happen. Aircraft will be required to have some form of tracking system that can't be turned off before FDR information is kept
194 koruman : These arcs are not purported flight paths. My understanding is simply that these arcs contain the location where the aircraft was at 0811 Kuala Lumpu
195 socalgeo : I think that you are potentially correct, however, the plane could have flown any route to get to that arc, with the info that we think is factual (6
196 k83713 : You're right, economy is always decisive. With cold head it seems like cost will be restricting factor here. From other point of view, like having di
197 davidzill : Rumor has it that police returned to the Captains house and left with several items subsequent to verifying the voice checking out with Malaysian ATC.
198 slinky09 : It was made very clear in the last press conference that the last data ping was unlikely to be the last position, and that investogatory work was ong
199 B2707SST : Jon Ostrower posted a WSJ update a couple of hours ago. He referred to hourly SATCOM pings, which I think is new information. This comment was also in
200 k83713 : So now everyone is free again to choose his religion: whether it's Northern route or Southern route. Level of evidence for any of them is about the s
201 Post contains links chrisrad : @Donnajcherold DHS has told me many times they have no evidence it crashed and a lot of evidence that it did not— Flying With Fish (@flyingwithfish)
202 edmountain : I never said they were. Yes, that's what I said they were. With the added benefit that if the plane was almost out of gas at 0811h then it must have
203 edmountain : Will be very interesting to see if this particular prediction pans out. However, as a long-time lurker of this forum I've always found it to have val
204 fooflyboy : No question the door is secure. When it's closed and locked. But what good is a locked door if it is opened for rest room breaks and meals? What is t
205 737tdi : Did NO one see this post? Good grief! You can't fathom these remarks. It was a cockpit/brother hijack. Either the guy let him in or the guy was there
206 chrisrad : It's not a random twitter feed, many of us on here are following his posts. As it has been pointed out many of his tweets have proved to be correct,
207 StaticShock : With the greatest of respect, he believes that a 777 was hijacked, landed without anyone seeing it and destroyed just to access some cargo. If someon
208 11Bravo : Exactly how does that work? How can one have "a lot" of evidence, or any at all, of something that did not happen?
209 CaliAtenza : what scares me is that he keeps repeating that the passengers are dead; i mean would Iranians, if that who it turns out to be, murder that many peopl
210 tomlee : Just because he has been correct doesn't mean his theory is correct. What timeframe does his previous tweets correlate with other news stories and "e
211 tomlee : Stealing cargo is easy. People have even stolen secured cargo with a security detail. It is far easier to pull of on the ground then in the air. Even
212 edmountain : The point is if I wanted to follow his Twitter feed I would do just that.
213 tomlee : See this is going too far there is speculation and then there is insane speculation and that theory is in the extreme end of insane speculation. It w
214 CaliAtenza : Right but lets say they stole it on the ground; how would they take it to their final destination if it wasn't Malaysia? How can you kidnap 20 people
215 tomlee : By ship, by plane, by truck, by bus, ... There are many ways to ship people/boxes around human trafficking is basically the illegal movement of kidna
216 StaticShock : Exactly. So people who are framing this as some kind of elaborate heist are just not thinking clearly. There are too many "sources" now who are stati
217 edmountain : The passengers are almost certainly dead, but at this point in time there's zero evidence that Iranians had anything to do with this. Twitter feeds,
218 11Bravo : Indeed. I suspect Mr. Fish is having a grand old time playing with everyone to see how many eager conspiracy theorists will take in this nonsense hoo
219 Dalavia : The answer to that question is perhaps one of the few parts of this extreme hypothesis that actually does make sense in terms of a motive (i.e. why h
220 chrisair : I feel it's necessary to point out Frischling has a very checkered past. Not to drive this thread off topic (this will likely get buried anyway), but
221 chrisrad : According to what he wrote: There is NO evidence that it crashed, there a A LOT of evidence it landed. I'm not saying everything he is tweeting is fa
222 slinky09 : There are other applications of their knowledge that might be valuable to someone ... there is a scary train of thought here.
223 CaliAtenza : yeah i agree with you about his comment about the satcom pings; I'm hoping against hope that the plane is found somewhere, with the passengers alive.
224 StaticShock : I am sure you've read books/articles or watched documentaries on how easy and often cargo is stolen or "mispplaced" in shipping yards and airports ar
225 Dalavia : Flying with Fish has just tweeted: " The location in Iran, as I mentioned, is based on specific mileage I was given by someone at US DHS on Thursday."
226 tomlee : Dual purpose technology intended for military use is covered under ITAR. Freescale wouldn't for a second design a consumer electronic device which co
227 tomlee : It is unfortunate but historically and statistically the chances of the passengers being alive is basically zero, even the chances of finding the pla
228 slinky09 : I wasn't even thinking that ... there are common compounds in batteries and devices that the Iranians seem to want to make but lack the capability.
229 Post contains links tomlee : Ok consumer electronics and lithium battery chemistry isn't exactly rocket science you can find out that kind of stuff online even. Consumer electron
230 tomlee : Problem is how old is that information and it still means he is just randomly guessing and making an entire story off one number. Compared to piecing
231 shortstack81 : yes, much of the story he's reporting seem to be his thoughts. I suppose that they're a reasonable inference on the limited data even he's received,
232 slinky09 : Well, as I said, it is conjecture. No one here has any idea where MH370 and its cargo (people and belly cargo) are, or in what state. Nearly 24 hrs h
233 KELPkid : Traditionally, ELT's are notoriously unreliable...good idea in theory, but they don't always work in real life. I know of quite a few GA crashes wher
234 chaseus1 : I imagine they have ways of doing this in some protected fashion. They probably don't want some things known though.
235 monjonman : Just a bit of information regarding the possible southern track taken of this flight. We have here in the north west of Australia surveillance aircraf
236 k83713 : So if he leaks openly his sources information, why does he do it? Why don't his sources just stop feeding it to him if it contradicts real information
237 tomlee : You have to think within normal logic, statistical probability, and known facts. It is well known that the US military is paranoid about technology l
238 planesmart : After so many days, I would have thought that US forces have already identified the location of the aircraft and confirmed there are no survivors. And
239 tomlee : If it did crash on land and people survived then the portable ELT beacons could be used. But historically that isn't something that is likely to occu
240 Post contains links Mortyman : I'm sorry if this has been posted before: Malaysia Airline MH370: 9/11-style terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane Possible plot investig
241 tomlee : US forces can't watch ever square meter (feet) of the world and even though they have surveillance sats (ones that can even detect explosions) if a p
242 tomlee : I don't have the link still but in the previous threads it seems like the news agencies are not reading things right. He worked as a researcher into
243 AirlineCritic : I had a chilling thought. We do not not know what happened to the plane, or why. But lets assume, as the authorities seem to do, that the aircraft was
244 Owleye : Has possible hacking by plane sploit been discussed already?
245 Post contains links tomlee : Hacking the flight control system isn't likely to be possible from what I've read. (If they used a shared IP network then I would say it is guarantee
246 studedave : There is a BUNCH of flight line on DG. Hangars big enough to hide a 777~ not so much... StudeDave
247 Post contains links Mortyman : Here you go: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-...ghur-passenger-20140313-hvifh.html
248 JettTracer : ***Opinion*** I still think there is something/ someone important in the plane that lead to this flight being diverted and landed. It may be a covert
249 tomlee : No there is another more detailed article which says they were using the CV of one of the passengers but it only lists electrical engineering and bio
250 ushermittwoch : This sounds like the most plausible explanation I have read on here since it has been confirmed that there was a deviation of from the original fligh
251 Owleye : Maybe the plane was already been hacked and pre-programmed before the flight...
252 monjonman : Possibly the captain had some sort of mental breakdown and thought he was flying the simulator! We all have our breaking points and perhaps that was h
253 tomlee : The pilots can turn off the flight control computer if it was really that bad (doubtful) and their inputs would be direct unless they managed to hack
254 seb146 : Why couldn't they be developing devices for military use? Who do they have contracts with?
255 LandSweetLand : Well you're here replying, so I assume not. Unless of course you landed and went to an internet cafe somewhere. (cue spooky music) Answering machine?
256 tomlee : Their sensitive US military contracts are probably all done mostly in the states. China/Malaysia Freescale are separate divisions which mainly work o
257 Post contains links LandSweetLand : Page 2 of this freescale pdf makes it clear they're perfectly happy to have products used for military use.
258 LLA001 : I have a question about fuel expenditure, If we assume the airplane flew low to avoid any radar detection, what would be the airplanes fuel expenditur
259 tomlee : Wrong, you didn't notice the little red box around the ones they focus on. They are all ARM processors which is a licensed thing something anyone can
260 slinky09 : I never said anything along those lines ... You presume then a southerly track and ditching in the sea. Yet there is no evidence for that and efforts
261 Post contains links tomlee : The US military is very concerned about MCU's origin. The kinesis family as all ARM Based, read the PDF and the link below. http://www.freescale.com/w
262 Dalavia : This suggests it would be good to have a press conference at which some informed, analytical questions were asked.
263 Post contains links AirPacific747 : Apparently the captain was very involved in politics: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html
264 timothy31388 : Quite a well known fact.
265 rdu2sfo : I do not buy at all the idea that this plane went to Iran, regardless of what or who was on it. The theory that the plane went to Iran relies on the I
266 Dalavia : I agree. Like you I can't see Iran being involved in this. It is by no means a rogue state. Therefore, the question arises... given what we know abou
267 777Jet : I wonder if they have been able to verify who / which pilot was talking to ATC yet, especially who was the last person talking to ATC? The owner of th
268 pvjin : I agree, I'll eat my hat if Iran was involved. They simply have no motive whatsoever & they aren't a crazy rogue state. I think this was somethin
269 CaliAtenza : The more that i look at it, the Iran theory doesn't really fit. FWF did say DHS sent him a map with the search area being all of China. So it looks l
270 MillwallSean : So we have a person that has been proven to be a compulsive liar and his tweets are now whats used for analysis? Hmm, logic went out of the window on
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