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How Long Does It Take A Plane To Get This Dirty?!  
User currently offlineDelta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Take a look at this Delta L-1011.


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This plane is filthy! How long does it take planes to get this dirty? How often do airlines wash their planes? How do they wash them?

Thanks,
Hank  Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineThe747Man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Damn that's one hell of a beautiful/firty plane!

User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

I dont know, but, judging by the date and type and airline, I can almost bet they didnt want to wash it because they new it wasnt going to be around much longer... Its like washing your car when its going to rain in the next couple hours... you know.

User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

How do they wash them?
My guess is with water.


User currently offlineRonE From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Seeing as he plane was delivered in '79, so the maximum time that passed since it was last washed was 22 years. So, in my estimation anywhere between 5 and 21 years ago was the last time it was cleaned.

User currently offlineFlying_higher From France, joined Jun 1999, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Concerning the frequency of washes : well that depends I think of the amount of air pollution existing near the airline's hubs!

I noticed that in Europe the small Crossair (CRX) planes (S2000, ERJ145) are all white and are quite never dirty, they are based in a smaller town and surely washen more often than the bigger SR or AF planes!


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3120 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3777 times:
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Here's another to examine. Also dirty because the operator plans to repaint?


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User currently offlineH. Simpson From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 949 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

it might get this dirty after 30 seconds of delivery...:D

User currently offlineABQ757 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

All I know is that Frontier never washes thier 732's or as I have been to know to call them, "Dirty Birds".

Gabe


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

It takes just one good descent through the air over Houston in August.


 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offline777boy From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Isn't most of this "dirt" really smoke? I remember that the L10s really smoked up on startup. And, when the winds were right, the smoke would blow right past the cabin windows and I would guess to the top of the plane. If it were smoke, not just dirt, this would explain why the dirt would not wash off after the plane was in a rainstorm. Also, we notice that the older planes, with engines that smoke more, tend to be dirtier. Coincidence? Maybe just age collects more dirt, but I think it has something to do with smoke also. Plus, how would dirt get to the top of a plane?

As for how they clean planes, try to find that picture with the hangar filled with soap suds.  Wink/being sarcastic

Matt


User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

One trip through Mexico City oughta do it....

User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

One question I would ask is why do airlines allow there airplanes to get really dirty in the first place.
Dirt adds a considerable amount of extra weight to an airplane, thus more fuel is used and in the end becomes a greater expence to the airline.
I understand a plane on the ground is a plane not earning money, however, I would think a clean airplane should be top priority, not only so that the plane can look nice and clean but also so that the airplane can perform its best.
JMH


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

that's a special livery, baby!  Big thumbs up

r panda


User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

She's still beautiful, and I miss her.  Sad

User currently offline242 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

It's not dirt. The paint has degraded from too many years in the sun. You could scrub 728 till your arm fell off and it wouldn't be any cleaner or whiter.

User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Each America West plane gets washed like once in a 30 day period. I don't remember the exact amount of washings they get.

User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

From my observation AF has the dirtiest planes:

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User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

How do they wash them?
With usual detergent and water, of course. One of Korean TV program showed a singer does one-day-employee of KE so washes KE planes.

By the way, even though it's june in the picture so nothing to do with it, snow is the greatest cause to planes get dirty, and many more suspectives.


User currently offlineHLZ Man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

I remember reading an article about JAL and their maintainance department and it showed the device which they developed. It is basically a cherry-picker that has brushes on the end platform. It was designed to clean above the wing. Below this manpower and extendable brushes did the job. I then read about a structure that was like a moveable container crane.
The a/c was parked, and the structure moved down the length of the a/c cleaning in the process. As a result I think they have the cleanest fleet.

Note: I read this info. about 6yrs ago, So things may have changed.

Hope this helps. Big grin


Craig


User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 682 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Here is the scoop from working midnights in ATL for DL. Our layover planes(ones remaining at the airport overnight) of course cannot all be washed every night! A company called SkyClean comes to certain ones and washes and waxes them...I don't know how they determine which ones. As for the mildew like effect on the 1011 in the pic, I have heard that about 10yrs ago the EPA tightened its grip on paint emissions and additives. I heard that this reduced the adhesion characteristics which produced the mildew like appearance you see. Some of our MD-88s and 767s had the same appearance. Of course it also depends on the last paint visit, which are scheduled like a regular maint. visit. White also looks the worst after a few years of having dirty jetways against them the planes develop grey boxes around the doors. AA had the right idea! Hope this helps!
Steve



CEOs should swim with cement flippers!
User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Thats how Lauda Air does it:

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User currently offlineN6801 From Sweden, joined Aug 2001, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

You still can't get much dirtier than the old Northeast, a sight I haven't forgotten in over 30 years:


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User currently offlineN6801 From Sweden, joined Aug 2001, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

More from Northeast ...

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Anyway, I'm not knocking them. They were a nice airline. Just needed a good scrub now and again, that's all ...


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