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New Zealand Aviation Part 141  
User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2277 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17676 times:
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Welcome to the 141st edition of the New Zealand Aviation Threads. Part 140 can be found here: New Zealand Aviation Part 140 (by ZKOJH Feb 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineunclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17667 times:

Found the below in the latest Infratil operational report;


"Wellington has benefited from the Qantas-Emirates alliance which is seeing more long haul passengers traveling to Wellington via East Coast Australia rather than via another New Zealand airport. As a result, Qantas' Tasman loadings have been the highest of any of Wellington's services and these were not affected by the service cuts announced last week by Qantas in Australia.

The additional traffic is causing marked terminal congestion. It had been planned that work would already be underway on an expansion to facilities, but this was delayed due to extensive airline consultation. This is however now concluded and the final value-engineering of the project is occurring with construction to commence shortly"


I believe a similar pattern is occurring in Christchurch. The Emirates tie up may not be working for Qantas at large, but it has certainly helped them in NZ.



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17616 times:

Quoting unclekoru (Reply 1):
I believe a similar pattern is occurring in Christchurch. The Emirates tie up may not be working for Qantas at large, but it has certainly helped them in NZ.

Indeed, for my own purposes I travel across the tasman on a weekly basis, and where previously I was exclusively AirNZ/Virgin. I now use EK's A380 services on a fairly frequent basis, and QF whenever the schedule is more suitable.
I still use NZ/VA 70-75% of the time from what was 100%



What?
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17433 times:

We talked about this before but here goes;


''Canberra Airport in talks with 4 international airlines including NZ!''

Canberra Airport is looking to Asia for its first international route and has reportedly met with at least four overseas airlines, in addition to Qantas and Virgin Australia, as the airport seeks to bust out of its current domestic-only status.

Air New Zealand, Emirates, Etihad Airways and Singapore Airlines have all been courted by Canberra Airport and senior members of the ACT Government to press their case.

According to Canberra Airport managing director Stephen Byron, it's only a matter of time before the airport's departure board lists its first international service – and more flight will quickly follow.

CBA expected services across the Tasman to both Auckland and Wellington by the end of 2012, or 1st QTR of 2013 at the latest ! and were still waiting....

http://www.ausbt.com.au/canberra-airport-eyes-flights-to-asia



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17149 times:
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I think this worth a tip of the hat:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...841084/Aviation-deal-mind-boggling

"Aviation deal 'mind boggling'

Pacific Aerospace, the Hamilton aircraft manufacturer which traces its roots back to the early days of top dressing, has struck a $75 million deal in China with one of the world's largest car companies.

Prime Minister John Key is signing a co-operation agreement this afternoon between Pacific and Beijing Automotive, which will see the Kiwi company manufacturing its flagship P-750 for the Chinese market.

Pacific chief executive Damian Camp said the deal was the culmination of more than two years' work, but the scale of the deal was still "mind boggling" in terms of scale.

The P-750, which can carry up to 10 passengers, was "ideally suited" for the Chinese market because of its ability to be adapted for a number of uses, from aerial surveying to sky diving to fire fighting, Camp said.

Projections for how many planes would be required ranged between about 20 a year initially, to around 200 a year in several years time. Currently Pacific produce around 12 of the P-750 model a year, but it has capacity to increase this to around 30 annually, Camp said."


Congrats to Pacific Aerospace.

mariner



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User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17150 times:

The mystery of NZ's 767 schedule to CHC continues even after the latest timetable update.

NZ94 NRT-CHC arrives 06:00 267

NZ161 CHC-PER leaves 15:00 26
NZ162 PER-CHC arrives 06:20 37

There are no CHC-AKL sectors on the timetable and when booking NRT-AKL flights, NZ94 is not an option (in the past you could book NRT-CHC-AKL on NZ90).

There are currently no CHC-SYD/MEL/BNE scheduled for 767s, and there is not enough time to operate a TT sector on Tuesday and Saturday between NRT and PER flights. Given that currently there is only a single VA flight and no NZ flights CHC-SYD on these days, wouldn't it make more sense to push the PER departure back an hour to fit a CHC-SYD-CHC rotation in?

This all seems very strange, how is NZ planning on getting the 767 back to AKL on Wednesday and more importantly Sunday when there will be 2 767s arriving first thing in the morning?



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17130 times:

As well as the planned service in June NZ will fly another rotation to the Cook Islands on April 18 ex AKL, with the 747.

NZ046 AKL0930 – 1515-1 RAR 744
NZ045 RAR1645 – 1915+1 AKL 744

What is the reason for theses flights or just extra capacity?



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User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17101 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 6):
As well as the planned service in June NZ will fly another rotation to the Cook Islands on April 18 ex AKL, with the 747.

NZ046 AKL0930 – 1515-1 RAR 744
NZ045 RAR1645 – 1915+1 AKL 744

What is the reason for theses flights or just extra capacity?

Extra capacity ... Easter and the start of the NZ school holidays have seen existing flights sold out right up to just a handful of full Y left on offer. These extra seats (north bound) will be snapped up in a flash  


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16865 times:

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 5):
NZ161 CHC-PER leaves 15:00 26
NZ162 PER-CHC arrives 06:20 37

That CHC-PER departure time should be 1540, and the CHC-SYD and CHC-AKL schedules are not updated.

Re: Mo Fr NRT-CHC 1415/0600 Tu Sa.
Tu Sa CHC-SYD 0700/0830, SYD-CHC 0930/1430, CHC-PER 1540/1800, PER-CHC 1910/0620 We Su, CHC-AKL 0800?/0920?.
The We 0620 PER aircraft is required for AKL-APW 1300/1755, and the Su 0620 PER aircraft for AKL-HNL 1040/2025.

Re: Sa NRT-CHC 1415/0600 Su.
Su CHC-SYD 0700/0830, SYD-AKL Su 0930/1430, or a Su CHC-AKL 1300?/1420?.
The Su 0600 NRT aircraft is required for AKL-MEL 1530/1730.

PA515


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16765 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 8):
That CHC-PER departure time should be 1540, and the CHC-SYD and CHC-AKL schedules are not updated.

Re: Mo Fr NRT-CHC 1415/0600 Tu Sa.
Tu Sa CHC-SYD 0700/0830, SYD-CHC 0930/1430, CHC-PER 1540/1800, PER-CHC 1910/0620 We Su, CHC-AKL 0800?/0920?.

I'd suggest that the fact that CHC-PER has been scheduled for a 1500 departure on TuSa would signal that there isn't an intention to run CHC-SYD-CHC with that aircraft at 0700 on TuSa. Doing that would anyway leave a 763 "loose" in SYD on Tu, having flown AKL-SYD at 0700/0830. Then you've still got to figure out how to get that aircraft back to meet its next obligation, which is presumably in AKL later that afternoon or evening. Why woudl they announce a 1500 departure time if they were even thinking of plans already which would require it to be shifted back to 1540?


Quoting PA515 (Reply 8):
Re: Sa NRT-CHC 1415/0600 Su.
Su CHC-SYD 0700/0830, SYD-AKL Su 0930/1430, or a Su CHC-AKL 1300?/1420?.

Again, this leaves a 320 that has operated AKL-SYD at 0700/0830 Su "stranded" in SYD as the return trip is already "spoken for". So in effect you are shifting the "problem" from CHC to SYD.

Much more likely in both cases that the aircraft will operate CHC-AKL IMHO.



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16661 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
I'd suggest that the fact that CHC-PER has been scheduled for a 1500 departure on TuSa would signal that there isn't an intention to run CHC-SYD-CHC with that aircraft at 0700 on TuSa.

Where I said the 1500 CHC departure should be 1540, I meant there's a transcribing error. The present CHC-PER is 1540/1800, PER-AKL 1910/0620. And if it left at 1500 there would two Air NZ aircraft at PER at the same time.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
Doing that would anyway leave a 763 "loose" in SYD on Tu, having flown AKL-SYD at 0700/0830.

Not so. There would be Tu Sa CHC-SYD 0700/0830 and Tu Sa SYD-CHC 0930/1430, followed by Tu Sa CHC-PER 1540/1800.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
Again, this leaves a 320 that has operated AKL-SYD at 0700/0830 Su "stranded" in SYD as the return trip is already "spoken for". So in effect you are shifting the "problem" from CHC to SYD.

Not if an AKL-SYD 0700/0830 320 does a Su SYD-ZQN or WLG or ROT return then a Su evening SYD-CHC or WLG, thereby shifting the 'problem' to a CHC or WLG 320 flight to AKL.

Could be wrong, but don't think so.

PA515


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16647 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
Again, this leaves a 320 that has operated AKL-SYD at 0700/0830 Su "stranded" in SYD as the return trip is already "spoken for". So in effect you are shifting the "problem" from CHC to SYD.

Don't forget the SYD-NLK-SYD services, that could possiable using this A320


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16630 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 11):
Don't forget the SYD-NLK-SYD services, that could possiable using this A320

True. And there could be just a straight swap at SYD on the Su with a 320 doing AKL-SYD 0700/0830, SYD-CHC 0930/1430 and the 763 doing CHC-SYD 0700/0830, SYD-AKL 0930/1430. Hope they update the schedule soon.

PA515


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 16507 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 10):
Where I said the 1500 CHC departure should be 1540, I meant there's a transcribing error. The present CHC-PER is 1540/1800, PER-AKL 1910/0620. And if it left at 1500 there would two Air NZ aircraft at PER at the same time.

OK, that makes perfect sense if the departure time is actually 1540..

Quoting PA515 (Reply 10):
Not so. There would be Tu Sa CHC-SYD 0700/0830 and Tu Sa SYD-CHC 0930/1430, followed by Tu Sa CHC-PER 1540/1800.

In challenging that I got completely confused - you're of course corerct!

Quoting PA515 (Reply 10):
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
Again, this leaves a 320 that has operated AKL-SYD at 0700/0830 Su "stranded" in SYD as the return trip is already "spoken for". So in effect you are shifting the "problem" from CHC to SYD.

Not if an AKL-SYD 0700/0830 320 does a Su SYD-ZQN or WLG or ROT return then a Su evening SYD-CHC or WLG, thereby shifting the 'problem' to a CHC or WLG 320 flight to AKL.

On this one, though, I think that CHC-AKL is most likely (also one of your options), given that at the (literal) end of the day the 320 in question is still in CHC or WLG when it needs to be in AKL. Unless there is a need for additonal SYD-ZQN, ROT or NLK services, why not just take the 763 straight back to AKL and avoid all that palava?.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16428 times:

''Air New Zealand’s On-Time Performance (OTP) Among World’s Best''

Air New Zealand has been named as one of the world’s most reliable airlines in the annual FlightStats On-time Performance Service Awards.

The On-time Performance Service Awards recognise those airlines that demonstrate consistently high performance while delivering on their promise to get passengers to their destinations in a timely manner.

The high profile aviation website ranked Air New Zealand in the top three major international airlines in Asia/Pacific in terms of on-time performance, along with Japan Airlines and ANA.

http://new-zealand.etbnews.com/19439...performance-otp-among-worlds-best/



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 16384 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 4):
Congrats to Pacific Aerospace.

Indeed, though I would be planning for the Chinese to effectively pinch the design and build their own within 4-5 years. I've seen it happen with so many client firms that were totally caught off guard a few years after thinking they'd hit the jackpot. At the very least Pacific should be considering manufacture in China to delay or possibly prevent this.

Pacific are also extremely conservative - they know their niche, which is reasonable, but there's absolutely no gusto there to do much that is innovative or something that can't simply be replicated elsewhere with a little financing.

Sorry to sound cynical, but nothing is ever straightforward with China. Though there may be an off-chance they'll use the opportunity to demonstrate they can be good corporate citizens. Judging by the ARJ21 (aka MD95) and the C919 (aka, A320) though, hrmmm...


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 16366 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 15):
Indeed, though I would be planning for the Chinese to effectively pinch the design and build their own within 4-5 years.

You may well be right, I can't predict the future. For a small firm in Hamilton, I think it's good news, whatever the future brings - better than bad news, at least.

I am more than mildly surprised that China has agreed to direct trading of the Kiwi dollar with their own currency - so congrats to NZ, too, but I'm sure some will find a downside to that.

It is what it is.

mariner

[Edited 2014-03-18 23:51:38]


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 16312 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 15):
Pacific are also extremely conservative - they know their niche, which is reasonable, but there's absolutely no gusto there to do much that is innovative or something that can't simply be replicated elsewhere with a little financing.

I'm surprised that Pacific haven't built ski and floatplane dirivitives of the 750, maybe they really are a little to conservative, not enough of the kiwi get up and go spirit.

[Edited 2014-03-19 00:58:20]

User currently onlineSelandiaBaru From Indonesia, joined Oct 2013, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 16192 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 15):
Pacific are also extremely conservative - they know their niche, which is reasonable, but there's absolutely no gusto there to do much that is innovative or something that can't simply be replicated elsewhere with a little financing.

I think that is the key really. The PAC 750 XL traces its lineage directly back to the Fletcher of 1953, so the fundamental platform is getting fairly long in the tooth although obviously heavily updated and enlargened over the decades.

Innovation in aviation is expensive and there is some serious innovation needed if they are going to continue with this platform. Avionics is an area that needs attention and certification does not come cheap. It is becoming increasingly difficult now to source and repair the old "steam driven" instrumentation. Like everyone else PAC will need to fit a "glass" solution to all of their products.

Pilatus went down the non-integrated post assembly fit with G950's on the PC-6 Porters and that seems to be more problematic than a more integrated line fit system like the G1000. Obviously cost is a big determinant here.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 16045 times:

So word is being said about JQ finally giving up on AKL-SIN from July.. Guess we won't be seeing a long haul 787 route from them for a little while then. But when you only have a 3-4 weekly schedule, who would really want to fly with you?

EDIT: Got a source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11223039

July 21 will mark the end of the route

[Edited 2014-03-19 15:10:45]


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 16004 times:

Quoting SelandiaBaru (Reply 18):
The PAC 750 XL traces its lineage directly back to the Fletcher of 1953

The 737 traces its lineage directly back to the 707, your point is?


User currently onlineSelandiaBaru From Indonesia, joined Oct 2013, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 15983 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 20):
The 737 traces its lineage directly back to the 707, your point is?

It is also limited by its history having a short landing gear and a smaller cabin width etc.


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 15841 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
So word is being said about JQ finally giving up on AKL-SIN from July.. Guess we won't be seeing a long haul 787 route from them for a little while then. But when you only have a 3-4 weekly schedule, who would really want to fly with you?

EDIT: Got a source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...23039

Interesting.... I wonder whether this will work for or against the NZ/SQ tie up, or make no difference.

If they had stayed on the route, but continued to struggle, I can imagine using this as an argument against allowing the tie up as it would be likely to make it harder for Jetstar to survive on the route.

However, with them withdrawing from the route without the tieup even being approved this reduces available capacity and returns direct services to a monopoly. The proposed NZ/SQ services would actually restore capacity and frequency to the route so this may work in NZ/SQ favour.

Any other thoughts on this ?



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 15804 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 22):

Yeah, my thinking was on the same lines. Except the fact that JQ has been struggling on this route for a while suggests that you'd have to be silly to rule solely on their plight; as it's also partly down to their own doings such as reducing frequency and the likes. The NZ/SQ partnership will do more than just restore capacity I think.. Depends on how they schedule the A380 too.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 15798 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 22):
However, with them withdrawing from the route without the tieup even being approved this reduces available capacity and returns direct services to a monopoly. The proposed NZ/SQ services would actually restore capacity and frequency to the route so this may work in NZ/SQ favour.

Any other thoughts on this ?

if there is a market there, why doesn't EK operate DXB-SIN-AKL rather than going through Australia.

EK operating the sector would be much better than JQ.


25 SelandiaBaru : I think it shows the market for 10 hour long haul LCC service isn't there. I never noticed an impact on the pricing of SQ flights, and certainly neve
26 NZ107 : I think SQ has known all along that they don't need to do anything - those who fly with SQ are likely to stick with them for the service etc. Not onl
27 keen2fly : I feel that the main reason JetStar's Singapore route failed was because Singapore was mainly used by New Zealanders to get SQ's seamless connections
28 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Jetstar cut a $70m blow: for Auckland Airport'' Jetstar's withdrawal from the Auckland-Singapore route will cost the tourism industry $70 million a
29 SelandiaBaru : GA signed a memorandum of understanding I think it was with AIA to say they would start Indonesia-Auckland flights by the end of 2014. With the reconf
30 alangirvan : One airline that you do not mention is Scoot, which is run by a Kiwi. Tiger is short haul, whereas Scoot is long haul, and they will be using 789s in
31 ZKOJH : I did think of Scoot to add, but with SQ on the route and (if) NZ get the green light.. then you will have an A380 and a 772 offering plenty of seats
32 sunrisevalley : With a 242 seat config. a 788 would be good for about 8-hours out of WLG. TOW would be limited to about 185t This assumes the 6350ft runway still app
33 Jetstar315 : In all fairness to Jetstar, why would they want to continue AKL-SIN if the support from the public is not there. You have to remember that the whole o
34 PA515 : Someone has put a flightradar24 receiver 1900 metres up the Benmore Range next to Lake Benmore. The radar code is NZGT1 (Glentanner) giving better cov
35 Post contains images mariner : Further to that, it has to be remembered that Air NZ could not make AKL-SIN work on its own and dropped the route. This suggests that the O&D tra
36 Zkpilot : NZ used 763 (old config) on it for too long so that by the time they put the 772 onto it it was too late - they had lost their customers to SQ. Havin
37 SelandiaBaru : I've flown on JetStar when my company has booked me CGK-SIN-CGK. The condition of the aircraft interior left a lot to be desired, as did the professi
38 unclekoru : Not sure about outbound demand, but a reasonable number of Singaoreans visit NZ. It also appears to be a growth market, annual visitor numbers were 43
39 Post contains links mariner : Even so, it has been shown - twice - that the market can't support two airlines operating independently of each other, unless something gives. Which
40 xiaotung : NZ's intention has been no doubt the connections to all the Southeast Asia market served by SQ/MI which has a huge growth potential. This perhaps als
41 zkncj : How much value are the budget Jetstar passengers on SIN-AKL? surely they would contribute that much to the economy. After all its target market is the
42 nascarnut : I think Air NZ has been incredibly smart in how the approach the NZ aviation market. NZ is a small markets in world terms but Air NZ has been able to
43 mariner : I guess one could, but I wouldn't. I have enormous respect for the LCC market. Some of the most continuously profitable airlines in the world cater e
44 Post contains links xiaotung : Apparently they do with Fiji Airways. http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/co-operation-fiji-airways
45 kiwiandrew : ^ NZ codeshare with FJ, but only on NAN-LAX, not on the local market between New Zealand and Fiji.
46 Post contains images deconz : That's great to see even better coverage of the deep south on FR24. I'm NZNV1 by the way
47 unclekoru : I realise that, and agree. I was simply pointing out that 1) there was an increase in O&D travelers when Jetstar entered the market and that 2) t
48 Post contains images mariner : Sure, it may shrink some - it will be interesting to see. There are quite a few LCC pax who will pay higher fares but don't see the point in doing so
49 unclekoru : I have a similar story although I traveled NZ due to staff travel privileges and just continued to do so after I left without much thought, that was
50 unclekoru : I agree, and I suspect many Singaporeans are of that inclination - but I don't know for sure.
51 DavidByrne : What about Korea? It's interesting that visitors from China exceed the number of seats offered direct (at winter frequencies, at least). This must me
52 xiaotung : The CX alliance is partially to cover the absence of a PEK service I think. I would rather see CA open PEK-AKL although I am not sure if CZ has almos
53 PA515 : From my Reply 170 in New Zealand Aviation Part 140. SIN has been announced and there is some 77E and 763 time unaccounted for in the 2014/15 schedule
54 Unclekoru : Sorry, it was an abbreviated list, see below for all countries in the document. Australia 3360 China PRC 658 USA 550 UK 533 Japan 204 Germany 196 Kor
55 mariner : Does "Americas" mean Central/South America, excluding the US and Canada, or the whole thing? mariner
56 Unclekoru : The whole thing.
57 mariner : Thanks. So I make that 81 from (I assume) South America. mariner
58 Unclekoru : Correct Mariner.
59 ZKOJH : I would really be happy if NZ returned to PEK direct to AKL is better then going via PVG/HKG or NRT, if it was to happen it would not be until after 2
60 koruman : I have flown Jetstar International Business Class HNL-SYD (5,000 miles) and I'm happy to compare it with Scoot's ScootBiz which I flew on a 3,900 mil
61 DavidByrne : Another interesting observation is that, despite daily or near flights on SCL-AKL, there are insufficient Chileans to rate a separate mention on the
62 mariner : I have only ever heard that as rumour. Let us not get too smug about this. Let us not forget that Air NZ gave up AKL-SIN, too, and is only going back
63 Post contains images Unclekoru : Yes, I was surprised to see that Chile does not make the list too.
64 xiaotung : I am not sure SQ gave up some capacity. They were never double daily year round. With NZ sharing some risks, they could put the capacity to better us
65 Post contains links mariner : I don't know what else this means: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11187525 "While Air New Zealand will take ove
66 sunrisevalley : So what are the odds of it being approved without SQ/NZ having to give up something?
67 mariner : I've no idea, I don't really understand the thinking. I posted a link to the advice to the Minister for the Cathay deal, but that link has now gone d
68 SelandiaBaru : 8 years between failures of each. NZ with the 763 product as it was could not compete. At the time I believe SQ only had the 744 operating on the rou
69 mariner : Whatever the time span, neither airline could make it work, and both were relying - largely - on O&D. Jetstar was pretty much downhill from the g
70 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Drunken passenger banned from JQ for smoking and gun jokes on CHC bound flight"! A drunken airline passenger who lit a cigarette and claimed to have
71 ZKSUJ : 500 bucks is a joke, with punishments so lenient there might as well be no punishment at all
72 BlackLabel : Fairly true in my view. I spent quite a lot of time over a five-year span (including through the GFC) flying between SIN and Australia and New Zealan
73 Post contains links NZ107 : http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/air-n...ws-cook-islands-agreement/5/185750 Was that predictable or was that predictable?
74 keen2fly : Hmm, I think I'd go for predictable myself! The test now will be whether those scantly clad models will increase the numbers between RAR-LAX and RAR-
75 Post contains links ZKOJH : in regards to the RAR services - good news, another 4 years will see the 763 replace with 772's or 787's which could drive the numbers up?! ''Air New
76 mr airnz : Sooner than that. Three 767s go second half of 2015, last two go second half of 2016 so you're currently looking at a change of aircraft in no later
77 Post contains links ZKOJH : It's interesting how Luxon can make the China market work and Fyfe couldn't! ''Air New Zealand romance campaign proves huge success in China'' Romance
78 Aotearoa : Expect to see HNL and RAR services move from the 767 to the 787 as aircraft 4 and 5 arrive in 2015. The first three tails are fully occupied on PER, P
79 sunrisevalley : Is there any possibility of NZ getting access to HND ?
80 sunrisevalley : From NZ's February report... Asia/Japan/UK: 43,000, -21.0%; This suggests that the HKG/LHR/HKG sector carried 11430-passengers in Feb 2012. This sugge
81 aerorobnz : I have wondered about HND but I think ultimately they will stay at NRT for connecting options. If they do, I think we will see maybe these additional
82 sunrisevalley : Have these been all announced or do you believe there are one or two more to come.
83 Aerohottie : For some reason I thought TPE in conjunction with EVA was on the way. Maybe this was the back-up plan to HKG and Cathay not going ahead...
84 xiaotung : Well, when they launched 3 weekly PVG, Ed Sims at the time made it quite clear that their target had always been working towards daily until one day
85 Post contains links xiaotung : http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austr...ia-ceo-nixes-star-alliance-skyteam "Trans-Tasman is in good shape and the alignment with Air New Zealand has be
86 aerorobnz : I expect there to be more announcements.
87 ZKOJH : Is there any more updates on the 1st NZ 787-9 ? it's April next week, last picture I saw was the tail had been painted black that was it. Yesterday I
88 Aotearoa : Expect to see this aircraft move to the paint hanger next week. No doubt Boeing and the Airline will make something of this near the end of next week
89 sunrisevalley : Delivery is due in July I believe . In any event I assume the FAA will need to have issued their approvals before delivery can take place.
90 Post contains links keen2fly : http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...d-Airport-to-get-combined-terminal Yet another article outlining the big plans for Auckland Airport. Nice to ha
91 Post contains images ZKEOJ : Yup, I was booked on AKL-SIN-AKL in September, and got an email with changes. They got us on AKL-MEL (QF) - SIN (JQ) return. Interestingly, the outbo
92 NZ107 : Good to see something.. Though it is a decade late.. I remember being inspired by that awesome model of the airport they have/had at the airport (the
93 Post contains links Andrensn : It's interesting that they have made their own website for their plans. http://airportofthefuture.co.nz From reading through it appears that they hav
94 Zkpilot : I saw them say that domestic will move within 5 years and that the rest will be done I think by 2030.
95 keen2fly : Agreed! I really hope that the NZ International Koru Lounge will eventually be replaced with one that has a view, I recently moved to Wellington, fle
96 NZ107 : 2 things which need doing immediately - the new domestic terminal and the extension of Pier B to include 4 A380 gates along one side.. Then move onto
97 aerokiwi : It seems bizarre that the domestic facilities will be on the south side of the new terminal, furthest from the new runway which is domestic-oriented.
98 Zkpilot : Yes it is bizarre however it does make some sense. That area between the current domestic and Intl is pretty much wasted. The 2nd runway won't be rea
99 aerorobnz : As with anything to do with AIAL, believe it when you see it. This is after all just a mild rehash of the same plan they had in 1987!! The twin runway
100 777ER : Does anyone know why an NZ 763 was parked at WLGs international terminal on March 20th at 6.45am? I was departing on VA65, noticed an NZ winglet on pu
101 nascarnut : It was a PER-CHC flight that diverted in WLG for fuel due to CHC fog
102 zkncj : If you read though the pdf that AIAL put it explaining it all, it mentions the reason being in as the domesitc flights will keep using the southern r
103 ZK-NBT : So if the Domestic terminal is going on the Southern side does that mean the existing pier A of International? While maybe Pier B will be expanded for
104 Zkpilot : No a new pier will be built at the Eastern end of the Intl terminal (about where the EK check in counters are currently). The plan shows the current
105 Post contains images NZ107 : Guess I caught your landing then Jase
106 NZ1 : OKC will arrive back in AKL ex maintenance at Xiamen early next Sunday morning around 3am (6th Apr). Normally not such a big deal, except this B772 is
107 Post contains images NZ107 : 3am!! Who comes up with these times!? Yeah, hopefully they put it in a decent position down at the jet base.. Cheers
108 Post contains links xiaotung : http://www.3news.co.nz/Direct-flight...1607/articleID/336784/Default.aspx No one has picked up on this it seems. John Key has met with China Eastern a
109 ZKOJH : Well maybe AKL was to expensive - ? Seems CHC want both CZ and China Eastern now WOW! lets hope something comes soon.
110 NZ107 : Can an A332 make it direct from PVG?
111 ZKSUJ : Yea saw her coming in too as we were taxiing out, good to see both birds at the terminal together.
112 sunrisevalley : [quote=NZ107,reply=110]Can an A332 make it direct from PVG? Probably. The MTOW version would make it easier for some than for others.
113 777ER : According to the pilots both airframes will be at their max before needing another heavy service. Sweet! I saw a person standing at the observation p
114 PA515 : ZKSUJ was probably in the front seat of a Q300. PA515
115 coolian2 : Speaking of the AKL expansion, is that magnificent (albeit a tad poxy) display of the airport's plans still on display behind the escalators in the in
116 ZK-NBT : Looking at FR24 NBV did SFO 29/3 and subsequently delayed NZ7 until 2315 ETA AKL 31/3. SUH did SFO 30/3. I'm no expert but NBV certainly won't be at
117 777ER : -SUH has apparently been purchased by the engine makers with only the engines being saved and will leave the fleet last. I can't find the list suppli
118 NZ107 : I was on the bridge. Yeah there was a HA 763 at the jet base but the light wasn't great around your arrival so I didn't bother shooting it.
119 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Rollout of ZK-NZC(?) http://kpae.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/paine-field-march-30.html[Edited 2014-03-31 03:43:08][Edited 2014-03-31 03:43:35]
120 Post contains links and images zkojq : The 777-200ERs did operate the route for a while. I flew a couple of legs between SIN and AKL in them during 2006. Pity they cancelled it. I'm very g
121 NZ107 : Sure is.
122 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : the plan is to start now, phase 1 will be completed by 2019, then additional capacity will be added as passanger numbers grow. I'll be super impresse
123 Unclekoru : If memory serves me correctly, it was announced that the SIN route would cease a couple of months after the 772 was introduced to the route.
124 Motorhussy : A little bit of Aviation History, it was on this day, 1 April, in 1965 that TEAL became Air New Zealand. On the Auckland International Airport of the
125 mariner : I guess they need a few more flights to South America before that can happen, and a few more destinations there. I assume Air NZ will eventually bite
126 NZ107 : Well OW have a monopoly on Australasia to Latin America starting tomorrow as today marks the last AR A342 flight to SYD.. I hope someone can start a
127 aerokiwi : How do they measure that? They claim "second busiest" so I assume that means aircraft movements. It's about even on international pax with Melbourne,
128 PA515 : That's ZK-NZE. NZF and NZG follow in Sep and Oct 2014 with NZC and NZD in Sep and Oct 2015. Boeing shouldn't need over a year to prepare NZC and NZD
129 NZ107 : Right, thanks for the reminder.. I forgot that NZA and NZB weren't to be used for the 789s.
130 keen2fly : Must say that photo makes me very glad indeed that they changed the livery from an all white fuselage. Though the new livery looks very rushed on clo
131 PA515 : mrcaviation 4th January 2014 had delivery of NZC Jul 2015 and NZD Aug 2015, while I had Sep 2015 and Oct 2015 from another source. Does anyone know w
132 NZ107 : July is what Luxon said.. Though that was back in January so who know if that wing crack issue has changed anything. I wouldn't expect it to have tho
133 Aotearoa : Hi all. Clearly there is a substantial period between arrival in NZ of ZK-NZE in July and the first Perth flight in October. Expect to see this aircra
134 PA515 : July 2014 is for the first 789 delivery ZK-NZE, but for NZC and NZD I have two different delivery times in 2015. On 4th Jan 2014 mrcaviation said NZC
135 NZ107 : I'd find that odd.. The proving flights on the 77W were done with passengers straight away and I wouldn't expect it to be any different. But I'm keen
136 777ER : I'm 100% certain that your not the only one! I'm really keen on a SYD flight or even a PER sector. Booked today what will be my final NZ B744 flight
137 NZ1 : Jul & Aug are the correct dates for NZC and NZD. Not sure where you got this from but it is untrue. Aircraft will be utilised on Tasman services
138 Aotearoa : I guess it comes down to your interpretation of proving flying. The context I'm using the term proving is in relation to 'proving' to the Civil Aviati
139 sunrisevalley : I assume you are referring specifically to the 777-300ER in this context and that the 777-200ER would have been first of type for NZ and that would h
140 PA515 : Thanks. PA515
141 Post contains links cchan : http://www.cookislandsnews.com/2014/March/Wed26/local.htm#1403260103 Not too sure how accurate this report it. This suggests that the RAR-LAX route wi
142 Post contains images SXI899 : Odds are that there won't be any requirement for such flights from the NZCAA. According to Part 121.57(a): Each holder of an air operator certificate
143 PA515 : A 33% increase on the 230 seat 763 is 306 seats. The upgraded 77E will have 312 seats, and the 789 will have 302 seats. Wouldn't be a 332 seat 77W as
144 cchan : This is the part I am confused about the article. The numbers don't add up to 33%. If my understanding is correct, the 77E will have more seats in th
145 DavidByrne : Doesn't surprise me. It must be very inefficient with crew to have only a single weekly 763 flight to the USA. However, with a 777 there's the possib
146 aerorobnz : As I have said before. The 787 in general is for making existing seasonally marginal routes make money freeing the 77E forthe new routes and increased
147 Aotearoa : Dave might just have got this one wrong......PER definitely starts in October.
148 Motorhussy : However the Cook Is Govt presumably has some input into what craft best suits the island group's purposes and maximises the return on its investment.
149 sunrisevalley : Is this a rotation for a specific aircraft or is it a rotation that will use one aircraft ?
150 zkncj : The 789 are going to take a couple of years worth of service to build up an useful, long distance over water rating. Where as the 772/77W already hav
151 sunrisevalley : You can't be serious ! What island hopping are you suggesting for AKL-NRT as an example. I flew a BA 788 at Christmas from YYZ-LHR. It took exactly t
152 Post contains links zkncj : Different countries have different laws around EDTO, just because the 788 comes out of the shop approved for 180m EDTO. Doesn't mean the airline can
153 mr airnz : I'm not even going to read the document you've linked to because it is superfluous. As sunrisevalley points out, the 787-9 comes with EDTO 180 straig
154 Post contains links HLZCPH : A few threads back there was a mention about the museum guy at Wanaka wanting a 737 for display. It's too far away but .... In the thread "Status of t
155 Motorhussy : It is how one aircraft can be used over a week. This would mean it doesn't have to fly back to either through RAR or APW straight after it's just com
156 777ER : Hope you get some excellent photos! If I didn't get Friday 27th off work then I would have gone later. The thought of another 777 ride when the last
157 cchan : Any idea what is the 763 crew arrangements at present? Does the crew come back to AKL as pax or do they work on other flights from LAX?
158 Post contains images zkojq : Thankyou. Ditto. So are TransTasman flights going to have random equipment substitutes to the 787-9, or is there going to be some kind of schedule in
159 aerorobnz : I know which flights, but don't know if it will be interchangeable based on load or not and I don't know if it will be a daily schedule.. I think you
160 Post contains links and images ZK-NBT : View Large View MediumPhoto © Yuxiaobin First 777 in the new livery. Growing on me, would have preferred some colour I think.
161 aerorobnz : the font size is correct, and I can still do without an entire fleet in black, but certainly looks better on a 777 than anything else so far.
162 Aotearoa : Upon arrival, I'm guessing there will be the 'sure-to-be-tiki-tour' to WLG and CHC to show off to staff, Gold Elites and others. If no more proving f
163 NZ107 : Still not a fan.. Does anyone know its first flight? Someone on this thread said it wasn't supposed to operate until Monday but I'm hearing that PER
164 ZKOJH : It looks ok on the smaller aircraft but on the bigger planes 772/77W's it still has a lot of white - not so sure, think time will tell, but looking fo
165 zkncj : Wouldn't NZ123/124 and NZ135/136 be more likely to be swapped out to an 789? when the 772/77W entered service they both, we're send to BNE/MEL more t
166 Aotearoa : Only a single Tasman sector is planned, not the standard 2x daily. By focusing the effort on to one city pair, there are many advantages as compared
167 sunrisevalley : Norwegian comes to mind. On the flip side you have BA who confined their operations to four units and two city pairs for many months with by and larg
168 Post contains links and images zkojq : First pic of the painted NZ 787. Seems to be ZK-NZE: http://theflyingsocialnetwork.com/si...787-9-aircraft-revealed-in-seattle Thanks.[Edited 2014-04-
169 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Looks so much better than the white version, currently on OKC pictured below taken an hr ago. I'm still disappointed that this fern is used.. It'd be
170 mr airnz : Both tech and cabin crew passenger to/from LAX for this service. Prior to the introduction of the midhaul cabin crew group, longhaul cabin crew would
171 NZ1 : If anyone in CHC is up late tonight and is at the Airport; there is a 744 operating a one off freight service from AKL for NZ Post. 744 not seen in CH
172 aerokiwi : Wow the introduction of another tier of cabin crew sounds remarkably counter-productive and inefficient. Wouldn't crews prefer to have a variety of s
173 NZ107 : Mid haul comes at a salary cut from long haul.. But arguably has better schedules and you're not confined to a limited number of routes. Inefficient
174 mr airnz : Despite the names of the cabin crew groups, its has nothing to do with distance. Each group crews their respective aircraft regardless of stage lengt
175 777Jet : Agreed. In fact, that all black 787 looks hot! Must be one of the best liveries going around. I'm just curious how many different liveries there are
176 aerokiwi : Ah, I see. Still, if we're talking about the 767, which I thought we were, I don't see why you wouldn't just have one group of FAs across the whole s
177 NZ107 : A pity it wasn't during the day! Just watching this flight on FR.. Got to a climb rate of 4100fpm!
178 777ER : Bet those pilots had a big grin on their faces as they took off!
179 PA515 : They definitely had some fun. Watched the 65 min CHC-AKL on FR24. They took off south west and had turned north prior to the West Coast Road. Then so
180 Post contains links NZ107 : I guess the cargo was only down to CHC so they would have been super light. What a flight to have been on! In other news - QF has announced it's resu
181 MillwallSean : Well those that think Qantas product beats NZ hands down, people like me... However I doubt most people think Qantas A330 or Air NZ B787 and choose b
182 NZ107 : Well NZ still has control, seeing it's a daily flight vs 2x weekly. QF has no Y+ cabin in the 332s. The herringbone is horizontally flat vs QF's angl
183 777ER : People who are loyal to QF (if there are any left now) and people who can't tell who operates the better aircraft will certainly use this service! In
184 mariner : S2S is what makes Air NZ my default airline. mariner
185 NZ107 : I really expected an increase of services to really come to that conclusion that they see some potential in the route. It seems like all they're doin
186 Post contains images ZKOJH : Now that CX have finally made the push and will start a service to MAN in Dec - CX 357/358 , will we see a NZ codeshare go on this flight? this more o
187 xiaotung : NZ is struggling to codeshare on routes other than AKL-HKG. They have said that the CX alliance is about China and yet they have no codeshare on any
188 zkncj : Same here - why would I spent an extra $110 return (the Works) for an checked bag I'm not going to use and an meal I'm not going to bother eating. S2
189 aerorobnz : I would rather that it was revised to be like domestic usa more. Ie: no free bags unless you're work deluxe or elite, and either seat only or works a
190 aerokiwi : What I don't understand is that they claim it's about paying for what you want/need, but you're not actually given the opportunity to select all the
191 Post contains images 777Jet : As well as people who are not a.netters looking to just add the 789 to their logbook
192 MillwallSean : So the main driver for choice of airline is price? This agrees with most research that paints New Zealand as a very price sensitive market where peop
193 xiaotung : I think S2S makes absolutely no sense at all. Just look at what they have done to Airpoints earning. Each booking class now has 4 earning levels. I d
194 mariner : It makes sense to me. It offers what I perceive as value for money. My first choice will always be Emirates simply because of the A380 - and I'll hap
195 xiaotung : You will get the same value for money with the domestic USA model or the VA model. Why does it have to be S2S?
196 mariner : Which "domestic US model"? I can think of at least three. I used to like Virgin Blue's tiers, but then Virgin Australia took away lounge access from
197 mariner : Personally, I curse the day that frequent flier miles were invented. Almost alone they destroyed US domestic first class, which used to be very good.
198 zkncj : Exactly - after all NZ is the 26% owner of VA and is taking up an board seat this year. In other words VA will have a much less say in the Tasman, as
199 xiaotung : You make it sound like it's about ego. Ultimately VA needs a strategy to success. If changing their Tasman products is part of that strategy, NZ will
200 aerohottie : Does Air NZ want access to VA's 6 million odd frequent fliers? If yes, then VA gets to have a say.
201 aerokiwi : Or it's a convenient way of NZ changing its product - "alignment". Like ditching frequencies equals "alignment with Virgin". So can anyone confirm wh
202 zkncj : Which is one of VA current biggest problems, its part owned by 3 powerful airlines that all think differently to each other. VA really needs one of i
203 xiaotung : I understand the only reason why everyone has access to movies on 772/774 is because the older PTV system doesn't support restricting contents by sea
204 mariner : Sure, have a say, but so far, Virgin Australia's strategy has produced nothing but red ink. Hardly a winning formula. mariner
205 xiaotung : If you have a look at Pacific Island and long haul flights, this does not seem to be the case. It's perhaps more about whether they have monopoly on
206 xiaotung : With QF dumping capacity like that, no one can make a profit.
207 Post contains links mariner : Virgin Australia chose the battle. What did Borghetti expect - that Qantas would simply wave a white flag of surrender and say - here, have lots of o
208 zkncj : Correct the 772/744 service have the Rockwell system instead on the Panasonic system on the 320/763/77W, which doesn't have the ability to disable mo
209 aerohottie : The rebranding of Virgin Blue into Virgin Australia has achieved quite a lot, in terms of transforming the business from a low cost carrier into a fu
210 mariner : Yes. Virgin still chose the battle and you can hardly blame Qantas for its reaction. The question then becomes - can Australia actually support two f
211 777ER : I'm still waiting for the promise from NZ/VA when the joint services was first announced that WLG would get Tasman prices around the same fares as AK
212 PA515 : Qantas overreacted and harmed itself in the process, an arrogant miscalculation that you are defending. Of course Australia can support two full serv
213 777ER : That is the main big reason why I struggle to justify spending $30-$40 for an NZ service if I want luggage/meal when its all included in the QF fare
214 BlackLabel : Likewise. I took my first NZ trans-Tasman flight in several years a few weeks ago, driven by schedule. Seat was more expensive than QF, but the timin
215 mariner : Sure, I'll defend it. I recall Air NZ defending its turf when Virgin (Pacific) Blue tried to grab New Zealand domestic market share. As I said: As so
216 zkncj : Its hard to compare Wellington and Auckland though, as they are very different market environment. Auckland is driven by supply/demand where as Welli
217 CHCalfonzo : CHC has suffered as well over the last year or two, to the point that I think CHC fares are probably higher on average than WLG. Remember that AKL is
218 Post contains images nz2 : Sounds like a late night and too many gins Sean I fly NZ to AU every few weeks and they always offer hot and cold breakfast options, maybe you slept
219 77west : Just thought I would say, just drove past Hamilton Airport and saw the two RNZAF Boeing 757's waiting for the Royals to return from Cambridge. Pretty
220 zkncj : Ouch some nice tax payers dollars being spent there! surely an gulfstream etc would have been more than enough!
221 Zkpilot : Yeah they upgraded the runway about 10 years (maybe 15) ago to be able to handle 763 size aircraft.
222 777ER : I did a flight search on NZ for AKL-MEL, WLG-MEL and CHC-MEL for the same dates. Departing May 30th and returning June 3rd, here are the results AKL-
223 777ER : It was also just recently resealed with over 15000 tonnes of seal
224 zkncj : In saying that, could it more just be that the WLG-MEL flights are reflecting the full cost off an 4hour Tasman service? where as due to excess capac
225 CHCalfonzo : Haha that is ridiculous, if you had a proper look you would have seen that EVERY other day in May (excl Saturdays when there is now direct WLG-MEL fl
226 mr airnz : Those rather thick bean counters have countless years of experience, advanced academic qualifications and access to data which you and I do not. Thei
227 MillwallSean : I wish Ive had to many gins, but this one was early morning with kids. Rather gin free zone... And interestingly enough I always drink a gin returnin
228 Post contains images HLZCPH : Last weekend (Sunday) I saw a private 737-500 or 737-600, silver colour with winglets parked up, east of the terminal. Wish I'd made the effort to ge
229 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Part 142 (by 777ER Apr 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)
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