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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32  
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 74869 times:
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

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Please check out the sanity check by [ rcair1 ]: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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ManuCH


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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 75060 times:

Can radars check SIA 68 and at what point became 2 blips if really that theory makes any sense?

[ Edit Post ]


User currently offlinetomlee From Canada, joined Aug 2010, 349 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 74964 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 271):
Would lithium batteries be a similar density to gold?

Nope, lithium is an exceptionally light metal so light it is 36 times lighter than gold. (Wolfram Alpha is great for this stuff, https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=density+of+gold+divided+by+the+density+of+lithum )

http://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-7911,00.html

Its why its such a wonderful battery material. (its also very reactive)


User currently offlinemonjonman From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 74577 times:

Exmouth is just a communications facility with lots of antennas ,nothing more.

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 74533 times:

Posted after the cut-off in Part 31:

Quote:
Quoting tomlee (Reply 259):
WSJ doesn't really have an advantage when they aren't very accurate.

You know that and I know that... but apparently many others don't.  

There have been allegations that the WSJ stories have "forced" the investigators to reveal information they weren't going to, which, of course, is pure speculation. I was addressing a pretty solid reason that the WSJ has been able to beat the press conferences to the punch.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9745 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 74394 times:

You cannot load 7 tons of Gold onto an aircraft without anyone asking questions and afterwards knowing about it.

That would be approx 3 pallets stacked 3 bars high at the most and in the Center. The only other airfreight I ever shipped was iron window shutters, a whole 707F with lots of room / hot air but fully loaded to the max weight.

On the average, air freight is between 5 and 6 times measuring, means, that ULD's or flats are usually loaded up to the permissible height.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 74220 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 220):

They are saying it was the F/O who said good night to ATC as the last voice comm.

I'm not sure why it matters. It doesn't tell us anything.
unqoute



It was after the Transponders were switched off, could mean the F/O is aware of the plan, not the Capt.
Or was he ok then.

[Edited 2014-03-17 06:02:47]


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineDeanDropshot From Norway, joined Mar 2014, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 73950 times:

Apologies if this is a stupid question, but would it be possible to jam the radio signals coming from the aircraft from within the plane itself?

If a radio jamming device for the right frequencies was smuggled onboard, would it be capable of jamming pilot radio, transponder, ACARS and mobile phone signals? And would it be able to do so without it being detected immediately by ATC or others using the same frequencies?


User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 73844 times:

Quoting DeanDropshot (Reply 7):

If a radio jamming device for the right frequencies was smuggled onboard, would it be capable of jamming pilot radio, transponder, ACARS and mobile phone signals? And would it be able to do so without it being detected immediately by ATC or others using the same frequencies?

Primary radar would detect the Aircraft.......What would not make the Pilots report the malfunction then if there was jamming occuring......

[Edited 2014-03-17 06:05:10]


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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 73820 times:

Quoting DeanDropshot (Reply 7):

Seems unlikely since the device would be inside the plane whereas the plane's antennas are outside the plane.


User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73740 times:

Its seems like one crew member was involved with external help.or both crew members were in this, which looks tough.
was the cockpit sterile or did they allow visitors.......this looks like a planned ops to get the aircraft to some location.....



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73591 times:

In the previous thread there were people saying, "Don't be so hard on the Malaysian officials" etc after this recent presser.

I completely disagree with that. In *prepared* statements, one by the Prime Minister, they said they definitely know that ACARS was disabled outbound off the east coast, leading everyone with any sense to believe that this must have been a deliberate act by people who were in control of the aircraft at that time. This was widely reported as fact.

To renege on those statements and basically say the equivalent of "we don't know", they have once again shown gross incompetence. It is completely within reason to criticize them for that. Many people on this forum wondered, "how could they know that?" and I had to come up with a convoluted theory to resolve the cognitive dissonance. The fact that the people leading the press conference don't have their statements fact-checked by the (hopefully) professionals leading the investigation is just bizarre.

Things work a little differently down there, I'm sure, but I imagine they would have learned quickly how to control their message the first day that international media descended on them.

If anyone has any rational arguments as to why we should not criticize the Malaysian authorities, you are welcome to say so. But culture and inexperience are not valid defences; this is an international incident and they have some of the most experienced people in the world assisting.



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlineluganopirate From Switzerland, joined Apr 2010, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73605 times:
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I do believe if the plane had been crashed, some wreckage would have shown up by now. This leaves the theory that it's on land in one piece, which is my thinking as well though obviously I've nothing to back this up. So how do you hide a plane? Once on the ground and everything's turned off it's not that hard. There are plenty of remote and abandoned airfields in range and it's pretty quick to throw some camouflage over it.

But, all that would need some organisation and assistance from others, and that's quite hard to keep quiet. Also, how do you keep 200+ passengers quiet?

But let's look at the initial act and let's assume someone managed to enter the cockpit, or was already in there.

How many of us would know if the plane was going the right way or not? Sure, if you leave LCY for AMS on a clear day and you know the area, you'll quickly figure if you're going somewhere else. But at night, over the ocean, unless there's a flight display you'd not have a clue a left turn was anything out of the ordinary.

Likewise a climb to 45,000' is not a sudden manoeuvre. First, the max height for a 777 is I believe, 43,000' though it's possible I suppose it could go higher. Next, at cruise altitude, the rate of climb to FL430 would be no more than 1,000 ft / minute, hardly noticeable again and nothing out of the ordinary. The question is why would he do this?

So he's turned off the transponders, ADB-S and whatever else he can. How does he now avoid primary radar? From the radio he'll know what else is where, and he may have practiced this, with clear weather, he tucks in closely behind another commercial airliner and follows it over the border. MH370 would now be invisible. He then flies VFR to wherever he needs to go. Until now no-one on board will have a clue anything is out of the ordinary!

Well that's my tuppence worth on how it could be done. The why or the where, like everyone else I don't have a clue!!!
Do any pilots out there support that this could happen (not that it did, just that it could)?


User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73574 times:

Quoting DeanDropshot (Reply 7):

Even if such device exists, it should be very likely a powerful thing and not likely permitted to hand luggage due to size restrictions. Thinking further, if it somehow was used, why pilots decided to fly away and not attempt to land? There are ELTs also on board which could be triggered for emergency...

[Edited 2014-03-17 06:15:22]

User currently offlinenoflies From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73364 times:

In the event it landed somewhere, who's paying for the aircraft to be refuelled, if it's going elsewhere? If that's the plan, then surely it can't just be a few rogue hijackers with $30-50k to spare? Must be a rich individual or organisation, and it follows that more people on the ground have to know. I assume intelligence communities everywhere are on this.

It also makes me think that we are likely not being told things, whatever the scenario turns out to be. No one is going to say what their intelligence and investigative sources have come up with until the time is right.

Why hijack? To make demands (supposedly none made). To use the aircraft as a weapon (hasn't happened, yet). Joy ride? Why else? Consider motive and opportunity and it could make less sense the more time passes.

Then there's the issue of keeping passengers quiet, whatever was going on. A few possibilities there.

I know I'm just a noob here, so please forgive that.


User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73357 times:

Quoting DeanDropshot (Reply 7):
If a radio jamming device for the right frequencies was smuggled onboard, would it be capable of jamming pilot radio, transponder, ACARS and mobile phone signals? And would it be able to do so without it being detected immediately by ATC or others using the same frequencies?

The aircraft has very powerful radios, it is not likely you could jam transmission with any kind of battery-powered device you could smuggle onboard. You would hear them repeatedly calling ATC asking for a response. You could likely stomp on incoming signals since you are in such close proximity to the receiver. That being said, the transponder would still send out a SSR return, most likely, since I don't see a portable device overpowering the ground station to such a degree.

You would have to jam a whole lot of frequencies with a whole lot of power, and while it's possible to build such a device I simply don't think the scenario is likely. Also, if the flight crew were in control the entire time, with all of those systems disabled, they would go and attempt to land.



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73239 times:

Quoting luganopirate (Reply 12):
I do believe if the plane had been crashed, some wreckage would have shown up by now.

False assumption, friend. It's a big ocean.



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User currently offlineaw70 From Austria, joined Mar 2014, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 73284 times:

Something to think about:

- If the aircraft indeed landed in a controlled fashion somewhere, this was not only the work of a single person. If (huge if) it actually landed, and has not been found yet, people were waiting for it on the ground. And took care of making it, and the passengers, disappear for the time being.

- Which implies that some sort of organisation was/is behind all this.

- The sort of organisation willing and capable of pulling something like this off can be assumed to be fairly competent in technical matters. The sort of competent where people would know about satcom pings. After all, a considerable part of the planning seems to have gone into making the a/c disappear. Would an organisation aiming at pulling something like this off have missed that?

- What if they didn't actually miss it, and we just think they did? In particular, it would not be impossible to figure out the ID of the satcom equipment on MH370 ahead of time, completely shut down the satcom interface on the a/c once it has been taken over, and to send *fake* satcom pings from some other location as the whole episode unfolds. Reason for doing something like this: to send everyone on yet another hare-brained search in areas precisely where the a/c is not.

Reason for doing something like this as part of a plan: to avoid scrutiny of the area where the a/c actually ended up. Right now, all resources will be focused on the two arcs. I suppose that satellite imaging of suitable landing sites outside the arcs is currently not systematically done, as resources in that regard are finite for all players in this.


User currently offlinetheaviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 72897 times:

Quoting luganopirate (Reply 12):

Assuming it's intact in one piece somewhere, what will be motive behind keeping all quiet? when some one hijack plane they always have motive, either crash it on some valuable assets or demand something. In this case, neither happened so I don't see what's an intention behind this plot?


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 72275 times:

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com...7family/pf/777_range_singapore.pdf

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com...ercial/airports/acaps/777rsec3.pdf

For me, the scary thing is how wide a radius is possible.

Secondly, that it could have landed in about 6,000 feet, depending on fuel load.

Also, would you need a runway, or would a flat open space, like a salt pan be sufficient.


User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 72281 times:

Quoting luganopirate (Reply 12):

I believe there would be a few passengers aboard awake and wondering why the flight over the dark sea takes so long and light of cities not appearing for so long. A lot of people would imagine approximate flight route, and there is not so much sea on it.


User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 72243 times:

Quoting aw70 (Reply 17):
- What if they didn't actually miss it, and we just think they did? In particular, it would not be impossible to figure out the ID of the satcom equipment on MH370 ahead of time, completely shut down the satcom interface on the a/c once it has been taken over, and to send *fake* satcom pings from some other location as the whole episode unfolds. Reason for doing something like this: to send everyone on yet another hare-brained search in areas precisely where the a/c is not.

It is extremely unlikely, the SATCOM modem (likely) has an identifier that is separate from the ICAO hex code of the transponder. They would need a maintenance person to get this data for them, to falsify the 'pings'. They would also need to somehow buy a device that can communicate with INMARSAT, change its identifier, .... it's all too much. Also using this kind of network traffic for geolocation is unprecedented (at least in all of the investigations I've read about) so I doubt anyone would really think of that, it's far too obscure.

You are talking about a massive conspiracy involving many people from different countries.

It's rubbish, IMO.



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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 71168 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 19):
Secondly, that it could have landed in about 6,000 feet, depending on fuel load.

They could have landed in under 4500ft with minimal loading, that's with the 30% safety margin, moderate autobrake, and 50ft AGL over the threshold (your link says as much if you read the graphs).

Multiple 777 pilots have said here and elsewhere, if you're not heavily laden, and you don't mind damaging the aircraft, you could do it with no safety margin, maximum autobrake or manual braking, and plant it right on the threshold. Then you could get it in at a little over 3000ft. But you'd have to be mad, and there's almost no way you'd take off again.



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 70619 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 21):
You are talking about a massive conspiracy involving many people from different countries.

It's rubbish, IMO.

if this has anything to do with a heist or a certain "Cargo" am sure there are things going on behind the scenes to sort it out before it became public, no country so far confirmed or denied a second blip came out at some point along the routes of KL836 or SQ68 alleged theories

[Edited 2014-03-17 06:31:28]

User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 70085 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 19):

Requires concrete only. As was mentioned in previous threads, asphalt or even steel plates would mean the crash landing.


25 aw70 : Yes, precisely. Either the pilot acted on his own, or there is exactly such a scheme behind this. If you pause to think about it for a second, there
26 capri : if crash landed, are ELT signals transmitted through satellites and how far can they be detected??? and if it was in a remote area in the northern co
27 Post contains links Finn350 : CNN has quite a good timeline of the comm events regarding the MH 370 in one of its articles: 1.07 am - Last ACARS transmission 1.19 am - Last verbal
28 nupogodi : Yes, on the guard frequency and on 406MHz to satellites. It could be detected anywhere within MH370's range. The location would be triangulated. SAR
29 abba : If - IF - the plane is still intact I believe they must have missed the pings... The direction it went is the most likely if - IF - is was to land so
30 JHwk : But everything else would be pilot knowledge; the pings are more network engineer knowledge. A pilot can get the plane to a specific location, and th
31 enilria : tomlee From Canada, joined Aug 2010, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 260, posted Mon Mar 17 2014 08:26:16 your local time (1 hour 34 minutes 54 secs ago) and r
32 capri : Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m From a DHS source, “based on a current intel briefing I feel confident saying we have a 75% chance of not fin
33 Post contains links Razza74 : It looks like the RAAF will start searching west of Perth on Tuesday http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...perth/story-fnizu68q-1226857475351
34 SamH123 : Has he changed his mind about the plane landing somewhere then...
35 7BOEING7 : Anywhere on earth.
36 Post contains links and images thunderboltdrgn : A similar graphic from AFP.:
37 mham001 : If they landed the plane on some desolate airstrip, would it have still been dark and could the plane have landed on a dark airstrip?
38 Hywel : Just a thought... what if the final satellite communication 7 hours later turns out to be another red herring... what if they made a mistake interpret
39 Starlionblue : To hand fly the landing, you need some form of runway lights. To autoland, you need an ILS installation. I can buy the lights, I suppose. You could u
40 ushermittwoch : Okay, not sure if this has been brought up, but apparently the captain was a big supporter of the opposition and the FO was the son of a government bi
41 Post contains images Starlionblue : It has been brought up repeatedly. At this point if you're not sure it has been brought up, 99.9% chance it has been brought up.
42 hivue : No, it was before the transponder was disabled. Agreed. The whole ACARS was shut off before the last voice com thing has big implications for what ac
43 rosskin92 : I have a question to throw out. How do we think this will affect Malaysian financially? And the future of the airline? They are already in a precariou
44 hivue : At this point in this thread, if you're not sure something has been brought up it probably has -- several times.
45 bonusonus : Has anyone seen an analysis of ocean currents in the South Indian ocean? Where would we expect to see debris washing up if the plane truly did crash i
46 k83713 : I would imagine Mr. Shah rather having en-route conversations than solving political differences by murder of his opponent, passengers and himself. I
47 hivue : You tell us where it "crashed" in a huge ocean and I'm sure someone can tell you where debris would have washed up on shore.
48 DTW2HYD : Very much possible. Even if it is not, the "arc" has an error of -59 Minutes to +59 Minutes fly time on top of whatever satellite signal error. Do we
49 liquidair : yes, and i asked if there were any countries on that northern corridor that didn't have an extradition treaty with Malaysia... the calls from the opp
50 btfarrwm : That seems like a better motive for kidnapping, not murder.
51 Burkhard : So now we are again at the situation that the ACARS was disabled after the F/O said good bye, which means that gain every of the million speculations
52 hivue : Good question. If there was a transmission that routinely would have come in at that time and it did not, that could suggest that ACARS had been shut
53 MarcoT : How fast do we forget... From thread 21, post 13: So the ACARS thingie was one of the oh-so-truthful US leaks that, thankfully, help force those pesk
54 MarcoT : The fishy twitters things sounds more and more like the prophecies of Nostradamus...
55 Post contains links Das Flugzeug : I haven't posted here in a long time, but this sad story has me intrigued. Has anyone read this blog entry below? Seems like a plausible theory to me
56 slinky09 : That is just about the only confirmed fact in all of these threads!
57 Post contains links liquidair : Seems like the Malaysian airlines spokesman is taking the landing in Taliban controlled areas seriously.... http://www.bing.com/r/1A/JLabJ?a=1&m=E
58 nupogodi : Actually, "Marco", it was not a leak but it was stated directly by the Prime Minister of Malaysia in a prepared media statement where no questions we
59 ROSWELL41 : I don't understand all the disbelief to the pilot suicide theory. Some of these other theories I've read on here are so outlandish, I just can't wrap
60 MarcoT : Someone (maybe even more than one person) already suggested an even more linear story along this line: There's an altercation. Someone lose it and do
61 Finn350 : I remember reading in one of the numerous threads here that ACARS might be configured to the send four Engine Health Reports: take-off, climb, cruise
62 hivue : The shadowing other planes idea has been discussed in earlier parts.
63 hivue : That's not my quote. You need to be sure to click the correct "Quote Selected Text" box.
64 Finn350 : I believe that if the disappereance indeed is a hijack by a pilot it was well planned in advance. The pilot must have thought out how to incapicatate
65 k83713 : Need to know for sure before falling into that. See, ancient people thought stars are just painted on the blanket around Earth, and Earth rests on th
66 hivue : And some of us are wondering if the Malaysian authorities do either.
67 glbltrvlr : Jon Ostrower writes for the WSJ on aviation matters. He's extremely knowledgeable and well regarded in the industry and has many very good sources. I
68 AirbusBoeing : One of the scenarios being suggested is that probably the pilot hijacked the plane, turned off the comm and flew west, and then maybe even north west
69 MarcoT : I fully know. The point, that you missed, is that it first came to light as a leak from 'US officials' on the 13th and that we don't have a way to kn
70 LTC8K6 : The only way this plane landed anywhere would be with the help of a government, imo. It's under water as far as I am concerned. I can't see any govern
71 k83713 : So why he didn't take his wife, kids and FS rig with him?
72 Post contains images 11Bravo : The ACARS issue is complex and I don't pretend to understand it completely. What I do understand completely, however, is that various "Malaysian Auth
73 tomlee : Problem is the internet makes a new vast trove of data every second in a week unless your in the business of constantly buying datacenters and more s
74 Post contains images rcair1 : First a synopsis Time-line (from CNN) ACARS ACARS data from MH370 SATCOM •Since only 1 satellite has coverage, no triangulation is possible. All th
75 David L : Perhaps "beating to the punch" is a UK thing. I was referring to the news reports appearing chronologically before the official statements not necess
76 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Excellent stuff rcair1. I think this mostly old news even if the article is fresh; http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...es-southasia-idUSBREA2G1032
77 3rdGen : How could anyone suggest that he landed at an airport without anyone knowing? Its ridiculous. Which Airport in Central Asia is accessible for a B777 t
78 solarflyer22 : That was my point of view as well. It seemed a little too pre-meditated. If they recover the wreckage and the CVR and FDR have been disabled and cont
79 capri : the question that all agencies are working on in my belief is if it really landed there is a big problem to solve other than, look we found it and the
80 rightrudder : Not to be overly picky, but is it still refered to as the cockpit? We are in the digital age and I have not heard one media station mention it in the
81 jox : Many here focus on the (lack of) available airports to land on. I have too little knowledge of the geography in the tentative areas. Are there dry lak
82 tomlee : Well them being disabled is valuable information in itself. Which is another reason CVRs should record as long as the FDR as flash memory is pretty g
83 flyenthu : I watched that as well. So, that now opens a new theory that ACARS may NOT have been deliberately switched off before the last verbal message from th
84 hivue : And that length of time would strongly suggest actively controlled flight by a person(s), right? No struggle for control of the aircraft would be lik
85 Post contains links tomlee : Well it seems like some countries along the northern route are responding with the expected, http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...-missing-plane-its
86 Post contains links btfarrwm : According to this article in the Mirror, the captain's "opposition views" were PRO-democracy. And the "opposition leader" he supported was jailed for
87 tomlee : Well I think you mean the inmarsat modem kept working while the ACARS system was not working.
88 hivue : I think there is no "satellite communications part of ACARS." ACARS just makes use of SATCOM like other things on the plane would (sat phones or what
89 gatorman96 : Not sure off the top of my head about dry lake beds, but what would be the point to hijack an aircraft and then land it somewhere where the aircraft
90 jox : You could take off from the dry lake as well.
91 11Bravo : Thank you so much for continuing to place this info in each thread. I think your information summaries are maybe the best source of information I've
92 hivue : Why would it no longer be useable? And not being able to contact anybody would imply that nobody would be able to contact -- i.e., find -- it. Truck
93 capri : most importantly what they should look for is follow every flight that night and see IF another blip separated off it at certain point of the route t
94 rightrudder : The runway (strip/area) would need at least 3 things. It needs to be long enough, wide enough, and dense enough to sustain that weight.
95 thunderboltdrgn : perhaps but from where would you get enough fuel to this remote lake bed, to refuel the aircraft if you want to use it again?[Edited 2014-03-17 09:11
96 hivue : You mean "someone who would seek asylum with islamic extremist groups?"
97 hivue : From wherever you could. This is exactly the kind of thinking I, if I was stealing an airliner to use later for some terrorist thing, would want my p
98 edmountain : Indeed, this revelation (or clarification) is in fact a huge step back. The only reasonable conclusion seems to be that the event started by 0121h; e
99 Mouldypete : Thank you for the sanity checks. So necessary and so clearly laid out. There is just one small typo I suspect. Did you actually mean to say that the
100 Finn350 : My understanding is that the arcs published are based on the last ping at 8:11 am. All the points in those two arcs are the same calculated distance
101 gatorman96 : Assuming the person in command of the aircraft was able to land without damaging the aircraft or ingesting FOD into the engines, I'm not even sure a
102 clickhappy : Does Malaysia assign Air Marshals to their flights?
103 rightrudder : Exactly my assumption.
104 rcair1 : My opinion - the claims that ACARS was disabled before the transponder were a result of not understanding the system. I think that is now being reali
105 garnetpalmetto : Indeed - and one other typo. "Straight" (ie "Malacca straight") should be "Strait."
106 flyKiWi : Exactly what I was thinking as well. Cargo? Throw the aircraft away afterwards? Not easy on a dry lake bed, I know... (apologies, I know this has bee
107 rcair1 : It is very possible I made a typo - but I can't find it based on this small quote. I've got only about 15 more minutes before that post is locked for
108 thunderboltdrgn : I don't know but strictly hypothetically speaking, to take something from the aircraft and put it onto another type of transport, like a truck or som
109 rcair1 : Fixed - still haven't found the other one.
110 k83713 : Was asking that before but didn't see anyone answer. However, all their F/A are males, so certainly they would be prepared to resist to possible assa
111 edmountain : Given the inconsistencies and apparent confusion on the part of the Malaysians I think now we have to consider everything that we have been told as s
112 Post contains links flyenthu : Thanks for correcting. Following up on my question, why are they now questioning that ACARS was not shut down before the last verbal from F/O? I just
113 Mouldypete : rcair1 typo "It was the seventh bullet point down in the First a Synopsis section."
114 hivue : I think they were constrained by overlapping coverage from other satellites in the constellation which did not pick up any 8:11L signal.
115 btfarrwm : Is there a map showing the other approximate ping locations in addition to the arcs that were deduced from the 8:11 AM ping? It might help determine
116 hivue : Hate to keep being a cynic but it sounds like the authorities didn't know what they were talking about in the first place.
117 gatorman96 : Good thoughts. At this point, it's pretty difficult to write off most theories with the information we have been provided.
118 Toni_ : Wow, part 32 already. I only managed to ride along on this "speculation wagon" till part 6, I think. After that I got blown off hardcore as it picked
119 Post contains links Finn350 : I don't have a source for that. I believe the earlier satellite pings constrain the last arcs, so in that sense it could actually be said that the la
120 hivue : Why assume that? I think the pilot suicide hypotheses are the only ones that could be "lone wolf."
121 gatorman96 : These are the only hypotheses, along with a hijack by one or both of the guys in the flight deck, that I've seen thrown around with some legs. That b
122 747megatop : Since Air Marshals work on the premise that one of the pilots is not hijacking the plane their job description will need to be rewritten if MH 370 wa
123 DiscoverCSG : Kill them first by depressurization at 43,000 feet? Or, to take something from another type or transport, like a truck or something, and put it on th
124 hivue : How does that clear anything up? We still don't know if ACARS was disabled prior to the last voice com or after it.
125 Indy : Let us assume for a moment that nobody did anything illegal with the plane. Is there a scenario where the plane suffers a catastrophic electrical fail
126 L1011 : Malaysia Airlines does have female flight attendants. I've flown with them several times, and some of them were definitely female. Bob Bradley
127 PHX787 : thanks so much for posting this tutorial. it makes so much more sense now that I can understand the radar returns
128 flyKiWi : Crazy to think of Air Marshals 'policing' pilots as well. Just imagine if the press picked up on it... The very guys (and gals) up front who you trus
129 Post contains links Finn350 : That probably is one additional constraint, but if the overlapping coverage were the only constraint, the southern arc should extend much more to the
130 EnviableOne : With the plane being missing so long now, Occam's does not apply I think we are definitely in the realm of Zebras now!!! I think we are left with a S
131 Viper911 : Except that it wasn't. If a certain terrorist group will "steal" a plane they will use it right away (9/11). Because now, a good chunk of the world i
132 gatorman96 : I'm sure this has been covered in the previous threads, but I haven't seen it: Do the pilots have the ability to disable the release of the O2 masks
133 Indy : And who would police the air marshal? Not sure I would want an armed person in the cockpit other than a pilot. If a pilot can go rogue then so can an
134 bennett123 : I think that quote is linked to Sherlock Holmes.
135 nupogodi : Hahah. There's a NORDO procedure they could follow to land at a controlled airport. Realistically losing comms and transponders and ACARS in ONE elec
136 Finn350 : No, but the pilot(s) oxygen supply will outlast the cabin's oxygen supply.
137 flyKiWi : Good question.
138 nupogodi : You have attributed a quote to me that I did not write. Please note the "quote selected text" button is *above* the post you are quoting, not below.
139 giopan1975 : Why not steal it for future use? If a 777 is suddenly spotted in the air with the threat of carrying an atomic weapon then any government would double
140 DiscoverCSG : But they already know they can fly it undetected (if, indeed, that's what happened). If it's been stolen for future use, it could be that some other
141 Indy : Thanks for the information. I have no idea how all of this works so I was just speculating and hoping that someone didn't do the wrong thing. I was t
142 Mitico12 : Stupid question, but do you think the pilot/perpetrator shut off the following as well: 1. Wing tip/tail tip strobe light 2. Beacon light 3. Wing anti
143 airbuseric : That is what is on my mind... they maybe got away with the 777 'invisible' to some place unknown to us at the moment. If they can disappear invible,
144 Indy : Stealing a plane for future use (if you can steal one) makes perfect sense. You aren't going to get anywhere near a target without getting shot down.
145 gatorman96 : I believe yes on all three accounts. Not sure about your last question. The F/A's have the ability to control the cabin lighting. Whether or not the
146 Post contains links k83713 : Some facts to consider to add to the sanity check summary: For that part could be added a short notice that distance of beacon detection would not exc
147 hivue : So does the video in the last CNN link you provided: "..shortly after takeoff someone likely turned off the plane's communication system called ACARS
148 nupogodi : All of those are trivially disabled from the cockpit, even in the lightest and smallest of aircraft.
149 flyenthu : ACARS would have had to have been disabled after F/O communication. I am convinced that ACARS was disabled between 1:19am and 1:37am when ACARS trans
150 liquidair : Just watched Inmarsat rep on Bbc news... its their system that pings the airplane if no communications received for an hour, not the other way round.
151 LTC8K6 : But not the crew stations...
152 Mitico12 : I don't know how many people subscribe to the whole "stolen jet masked as a legit flight" on a later date. I mean, if you're scheduled to fly into a
153 edmountain : Just because the USA set the bar low with Katrina does not let the Malaysians off the hook. I personally agree completely with nupogodi. I was cuttin
154 Post contains images nupogodi : Having been on an AC A320 where we had cabin equipment (including lighting) failure on T/O, I can tell you yes they can cycle that from the cockpit.
155 hivue : That certainly seems to make the most sense (more than what the Malaysian PM made in his press conference the other day when he categorically stated
156 capri : If they really went undetected and avoided radars somehow by any means, they can do the same again airborne, I have a gut feeling so many things are
157 Mitico12 : Let me clarify - do you think those lights were disabled or continued to be lit so that it gave an appearance of a normal flight to other traffic in
158 k83713 : I asked this question two threads ago and answers I received for that: See no problem to stay corrected though.
159 nupogodi : IIRC the cabin crew oxygen bottles are smaller than the flight crew ones. The flight crew have like ~1-2hr, the cabin crew bottles are like ~30min, o
160 capri : what you said is good and makes sense, but what is frightening is this shadowing thing that they can pull or if they did already, I know it's crazy a
161 nupogodi : I wasn't there, man. If they really were at FL295 it's meaningless what lights are on, since it would look like any other aircraft. If they were real
162 Post contains links and images GiveMeABreak : Long time frequent flier, long time lurker of Airliners.net, first time poster here. Money down for posting: Check Believe me I'am certainly nobody wh
163 edmountain : On the contrary, I think with the plane missing so long Occam's razor applies more than ever. The simplest explanation for the plane missing is that
164 flyenthu : Probably incorrect information. They were also making a huge change in their minds as well from accident to a deliberate event. Lots of info..etc.
165 mandala499 : You have got to be kidding me... so those MH girls I had a fling with were actually guys? Oh no! Disabling the ACARS on VHF and HF is simpler than I
166 gatorman96 : The amount of coordination needed to successfully steal a commercial airliner is one thing. Add to that securing a nuclear device without being detec
167 OldAeroGuy : At a FL430 cabin altitude, passenger O2 access or time is irrelevant. Its supply pressure isn't high enough to allow O2 absorption by the human blood
168 Post contains images k83713 : See my source above. I have no idea in fact, I asked the question and people who knew answered. Never meant to disappoint anybody for sure... [Edited
169 enilria : I think that while the destination is unlikely, what you are talking about as a concept is a definite possibility and I pray the intelligence service
170 nupogodi : Hahahah thank god you have confirmed this mandala (or should I say Mandela and bug you?). I have been saying this all along based on what anonymous 7
171 gatorman96 : Appreciate it. Clearly this wouldn't be an an issue then for the pilots since they are on their own O2 supply? What about the FA's?
172 Capt747Ret : Concerning the oxygen systems. Certification of an aircraft always takes the worst case scenario, the pax O2 system is designed for a max certified lo
173 gatorman96 : I'm not particularly against the using the plane as a weapons delivery system theory, but so many things has to go right, as well as a mass amount of
174 spacecadet : Whatever the procedure is (and I'm not totally sure of it either), it certainly would not be what these pilots and/or hijackers did. They wouldn't be
175 hamiltondaniel : You may want to check your wording there, unless you actually have no problem with some lunatic flying a bomb into Legoland...
176 rcair1 : They do not know. That is what is on the CNN timeline - but you will see my Sanity Check says "Transponder stopped transmitting" - because we do not
177 rcair1 : Correction to Sanity Check. Thanks to Mouldypete for catching this. The 7th bullet in the Sanity Check Synopsis should read: There are subsequent prim
178 nupogodi : Now, mandala, I have another question for you: I have heard that the outflow valves will not allow cabin altitude to drop below 14000ft as long as ble
179 edmountain : In that event technical issues (as opposed to malevolence) would seem to be back on the table. Notwithstanding an apparent seven hour flight after th
180 spacecadet : Sure, if you ignore all the other evidence and only look at this one thing, then yeah, pretty much everything's possible again. People are getting hu
181 11Bravo : Someone please correct me if my info is wrong, but I have a couple of off-site sources that have told me that: yes, the oxygen masks in the passenger
182 rcair1 : It corrects misinformation. I will do that Why? It could be either before or after, we do not know. We know it was between 1:07 and 1:37 See --- Yes
183 edmountain : I think having a scenario go from being essentially excluded to possible but less likely is a bit more than a technicality.
184 gatorman96 : Aside from a battle over the flight controls, this could be an explanation for the sudden climb to 43-45K feet.
185 Post contains links and images JettTracer : Based on FB updates I have, the pilots were assigned last minutes for this flight. The original pilot who was supposed to fly the plane was removed la
186 SimonDanger : Hi gang, first post. Been reading as much as I can since thread 16 or so and I am perplexed by a couple of things: 1. Doing an cntrl.-f on several thr
187 nupogodi : What motive do they have? And I would hardly call them sophisticated at this point. The family isn't talking, as is their right. China has nothing to
188 tomlee : Those honey combed shapes are the spot beams which provide "broadband" satcom so you have a tight beam which can provide a few terminals with more ba
189 rcair1 : I've seen very little discussion of Al Queda in news or on the thread. Taliban has been discussed more - and had denied any involvement. I think I've
190 tomlee : Non-removable batteries also mean your phone has a limited life as lithium batteries have a finite cycle life. If your phone has a glued in battery r
191 k83713 : Answering to your question, no, pilot cannot turn off the oxygen supply system, he can only force it to activate, but at default it's automatic deplo
192 fn1001 : Can someone explain why we have 2arcs, or corridors, from where the last ping could come? Why not from the area between the two arcs?
193 tomlee : I always thought what would happen if I used a pin to poke those holes (now I know that not doing that was a good idea) a lot of passenger oxygen pan
194 tomlee : The primary radar returns exclude the middle and the sat only really provides a giant circle which is then narrowed down (according to the press conf
195 Rara : No, in reality it'd work just the other way around, sorry. If you lose communications, you stay on course and continue to your planned destination pr
196 thunderboltdrgn : I think its basically only ihpones and a few of the newest HTC-models that doesn't have a removable battery otherwise most mobile phones have a remov
197 davidzill : Arc was originally a large circle, however the western side was dreamed out of range for 370. The middle portion was determined to be searched, leavi
198 hivue : I wonder who they are. When I am critical of "authorities" I'm meaning to refer to people officially providing information, not to people who actuall
199 Post contains links GiveMeABreak : check this out: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/2067...g-unclaimed-in-the-moscow-airport/ Respectfully Frank
200 SimonDanger : Quoting SimonDanger (Reply 186): 2. What's the deal with the pilot's family? What do they say about what the pilot's state-of-mind was in the days bef
201 AT : Sure it's their right to not talk. But that doesn't mean the pilots should not be investigated. Given the current circumstances, it would be irrespon
202 virgin744 : Why not steal a cargo plane? Why do it with passengers on board?
203 rcair1 : Probably people like me or my fire crew on a fire - we know what goes on. What gets reported is often not the same. For very large fires - that is a
204 SimonDanger : quote=thunderboltdrgn,reply=196]Quoting SimonDanger (Reply 186): Lastly, don't a lot of smart phones (like the I-phone) never actually shut off, since
205 nupogodi : Uh. What would you like us to do, torture them? Yes, it is very much within their legal right to make whatever statements they want to make in privat
206 hivue : The coverage from another satellite in the constellation overlapped that area. That satellite did not receive any signal from MH370 at 08:11L so the
207 pvjin : Iran, why would they need do that? They could just buy some old 777 through some second hand source if they wanted. Also Iran isn't that much of a ro
208 rcair1 : Because that would not fit the facts we have - the missing plane is a passenger plane. Since this is completely hypothetical at this time - we have t
209 boacvc10 : These are my personal opinions - not related to any work I do. Has there really not been any opublic announcement of a cash reward for information lea
210 mt99 : There has been a lot of "flying under radar" speculation - flying low burn more fuel right? i mean the range would have suffered - right?
211 edmountain : Makes sense, but it's still a complete failure on the parts of the individuals involved in layers 2 and/or 3. I mean, it's really not that complicate
212 decoder : Southeastern part of the Indian Ocean is significant because it's the most inaccessible distance and water depth wise as well as almost 180 degrees of
213 sbkom : My understanding is that the arcs are drawn based on the angle the pings are received by the satellite. The northern most and the southern most extrem
214 nupogodi : Yeah I'd do so tomorrow if I had to. Air travel is safe. But I agree with the cash reward idea, though $100m is a little rich IMO.
215 rcair1 : Unless you buy into the remote control idea - the mass murderer was on the plane and is likely dead. Oh - I get it - you are thinking it landed somew
216 nupogodi : No one knows what altitude it was flying in the many hours after losing PSR contact. But, at the time, it was at FL295. I don't think the stories of
217 DTW2HYD : There is a reasonable explanation for that satellite image. China spends ton of money on space research but most of it goes to signal intelligence an
218 RussianJet : God, just heard on the news that 'some' (not clear who) are calling for armed marshals in the cockpit to guard against pilots going rogue. FFS!! I don
219 hivue : This makes more sense that at first it may sound like. By similar logic we can extend it to "they wouldn't have landed on a dry lake bed because how
220 Post contains links boacvc10 : Hmmm. 'little rich'? Try $100M/239 and you will understand how that can be wrong. Alternatively try this: You go to work/school, saying goodbye to pa
221 goosebayguy : For me it has landed in the desert. Yemen or Saudi Arabia somewhere in the Empty Quarter.Plenty of unmanned runways in the area.
222 CaliAtenza : hmmn: Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 7h @PartRhymer My #MH370 tweets may be far slower than usual today, all of my sources have gone dead silent,
223 gatorman96 : A reward would have an opposite effect. Let's say this was a hijack and the plane has safely landed somewhere: 1) No hijacker would disclose any info
224 tomlee : They should let twitchTV fly planes by chat, done problem solved..........
225 nupogodi : Err, you think the victim's families should pay for the reward? Um. No. I think a sizeable amount of money should be offered to anyone who can give a
226 k83713 : Certainly a lot of hot heads will now expose themselves to the light with some crazy unflyable ideas. But also we can't ignore the fact that current
227 Post contains links 747megatop : That would make the wreck even more difficult to find. Here is some interesting information on side scan sonar technolody of the US Navy and it's cap
228 Post contains links DrivesForShow : Working Link: http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...nes-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68 I don't understand why this isn't the prevailing theory to th
229 EC135 : Just a question, I read several times that the ACARS was supposed to transmit a half-hour after it last did so. Therefore, it was supposed to transmit
230 MarcoT : Better yet, what they would achieve against a suicidal pilot nosediving his aircraft? Desist or I'll shoot you?
231 k83713 : I would say the question will not be even asked if there is strong evidence the pilot is about to nosedive.
232 dc9northwest : I thought this was debunked. Seems quite unlikely, anyway, given the full tanks.
233 jetblueguy22 : China bought that imagery because they didn't have satellites in position at the time. They moved 10 in to search. I'm betting now their capability i
234 gatorman96 : Possibly. One or multiple governments could be in contact with the hijackers and are being completely mum to the public to ensure operational securit
235 awthompson : I also think this is likely to be the case. I cannot see any far fetched scenario where the aircraft has been flown to a secret location by shadowing
236 pvjin : At some point it had to stop following the SIA aircraft, what proof we have it really could have then landed without any radar noticing it at any poi
237 Finn350 : I don't believe a second that 'Flying with Fish' has any real information besides that available in public domain. He is just an internet troll.
238 gatorman96 : Agreed, although this could be happening via back channels. But, then again, why search all of SE Asia and the Indian Ocean if someone was in contact
239 RussianJet : Yeah, and then what next if he does stop - fly the plane properly or I'll kill you? Yup, it's very well thought out alright.
240 Post contains images gatorman96 : He is a self-proclaimed internet "Travel Social Media Consultant." Whatever he says is on the internet so it must be true. There is no way his only g
241 edmountain : This is a well-though-out post but the latest timeline does not mandate the last radio call happening after the first stages of the event.
242 k83713 : There is ACARS manager in communication management menues of multifunctional display (MFD) where you can deselect all three channels for ACARS to con
243 wjcandee : Actually, this could cast suspicion on him, for a variety of reasons. This was the right flight to try to do this with. Redeye. Long-ish distance wit
244 edmountain : It could also mean his trying to keep his audience in the room instead of walking out on him.
245 rheinwaldner : And who would even be 'policing' maniacal Air Marshals?
246 hivue : This is about the soberest and most considered of the possible explanations. It depends, however, on the FO wishing to dispose of all possible eviden
247 EC135 : Definitely not, you won't need to do all this just for flying towards the Indian Ocean and running out of fuel.... the northern scenario is much more
248 RNAVFL350 : I am just wondering if the TCAS would not have gone off on the SIA plane(assuming it is equipped). MH772 would have to follow pretty close to not be
249 hivue : I think that what awthompson was saying was not that he asked at the last minute but that he "was asked at the last minute."
250 asteriskceo : For TCAS to work as described, both planes would need their transponders set to at least the TA setting. If MH370's transponder was turned off, neith
251 Post contains images JimJupiter : For me, as a non-Facebook and non-Twitter guy, that indicates an attention lover. Amen.
252 DrivesForShow : From the link I provided reply 228: "Once MH370 had cleared the volatile airspaces and was safe from being detected by military radar sites in India,
253 jetblueguy22 : There was a story in previous threads about it doing the same thing, but with a KLM flight. Flying the airplane isn't all that hard. Especially if yo
254 DiscoverCSG : If you fiddle with the transponder and depart from the hypothetical remote field, nobody knows you're a 777 until it's too late. No, we don't know th
255 Trin : Amazing - 11 days into this tragedy-come-mystery, and it still feels like we are groping around in the dark. I have read arguments for and against bot
256 mafi29 : What about the contrail of the aircraft? Shouldn't it be visible on images from meteorological satellites? At least in the infra red channels (as it w
257 edmountain : Yes, I think people are overstating the integrity of the radar coverage. On its first incursion KE007 slipped through some of the USSR's most sensiti
258 k83713 : I think the exit there is in distribution of responsibilities for emergency messages possiblities between cockpit and F/A (maybe marshall but not in
259 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : HI All, This thread has gotten quite long and Part 33 has been created. It can be found here MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part
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