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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62734 times:
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Due to length part 32 was locked for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 33:

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

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Please check out the sanity check by [ rcair1 ]: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)


Enjoy the forums!

Regards and thanks for your co-operation,
Pat

[Edited 2014-03-17 13:36:47]


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User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62842 times:

From previous thread:

Quoting EC135 (Reply 247):
The aircraft is in my opinion sitting in one piece on the ground on a remote field in the Turkmenistan or Pakistan area covered with camouflage and waiting to be used in terrorist attack e.g. as a dirty bomb

This would indicate that the pilot and/or co-pilot would have to have some sort of connection to a terrorist cell or they were forced to land the plane somewhere. This also means they will be forced to carry out the remainder of the mission as I highly doubt any terrorist org has a type rated 777 pilot just hanging out. It's one thing to steer a plane already in flight, it's another to be responsible for all phases of flight.



Cha brro
User currently offlineedmountain From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62788 times:

Quoting Trin (Reply 255):
I have read arguments for and against both the "northern route" and the "southern route" - but, I must admit, each day that the SaR efforts bring up no evidence of debris or wreckage from the Indian Ocean, the more I feel that plane took the northern route and was flown by someone who was very, very skilled and very, very familiar with international boundaries, ATC designated boundaries, and radar avoidance techniques. Just stunning.

It's a big lake. And deep.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1253 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62785 times:

Quoting EC135 (Reply 247):
Definitely not, you won't need to do all this just for flying towards the Indian Ocean and running out of fuel....

I think the hijacker just did his best to make sure the aircraft wouldn't be found, possibly due to shame / insurance money. Disabling transponder & avoiding radar contact was clearly a good way to make things a lot more difficult for investigators.

Quoting EC135 (Reply 247):
In all other scenarios the very very well planned action to make this a/c disappear would make no sense at all.

Who knows was it that well planned or not? I think either of the pilots / possibly some other crew member just flew the aircraft into the Indian Ocean (after first doing some maneuvering to avoid radar contact) and pointed the nose down when it had flown far enough / ran out of fuel.

Quoting EC135 (Reply 247):
Turkmenistan or Pakistan area covered with camouflage and waiting to be used in terrorist attack e.g. as a dirty bomb.

How many times this has happened in history? 0.

How many times pilot suicide has happened? Many times. That's why it's more likely.

A group capable of doing this shouldn't lack money to obtain a jetliner through other, safer and less risky ways. They could just buy some old wreck under a fake company name.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinemafi29 From Germany, joined Nov 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62773 times:

it was one of the last posts on the previous thread:

What about the contrail of the aircraft? Shouldn't it be visible on images from meteorological satellites? At least in the infra red channels (as it was night)?

Sorry if it has bee discussed befor, but I haven't read all post of all the 32 threads... And a quick serch did not yield any results.

Thanks for your thoughts


User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62650 times:

Another thread. I wonder which number will be the last for this topic...

[Edited 2014-03-17 13:44:20]

User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62576 times:

Quoting edmountain (Reply 2):

Quoting Trin (Reply 255):
I have read arguments for and against both the "northern route" and the "southern route" - but, I must admit, each day that the SaR efforts bring up no evidence of debris or wreckage from the Indian Ocean, the more I feel that plane took the northern route and was flown by someone who was very, very skilled and very, very familiar with international boundaries, ATC designated boundaries, and radar avoidance techniques. Just stunning.

It's a big lake. And deep.

They spent two years finding AF447 searching in a 100 km by 100 km block of sea. Chances of finding MH370 are negligible.


User currently offlineairplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62577 times:

Now that the situation has become an illicit interference, the authorities won't inform if they know that the plane landed since it will become a rescue operation for the passengers and crew as well as persut those responsible. Publicizing that the plane landed may threat the rescue and life of all the passengers and crew


The sky´s the limit
User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62371 times:

Quoting mafi29 (Reply 4):
What about the contrail of the aircraft? Shouldn't it be visible on images from meteorological satellites? At least in the infra red channels (as it was night)?

Was thinking about the same today. I doubt though there are a lot of satellites monitoring middle of Indian ocean, since there are really not a lot of possible consumers of that information. Google Maps for instance gives appropriate resolution only of those small islands and nothing around...


User currently offlineDrivesForShow From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62464 times:

Quoting airplane (Reply 7):
Publicizing that the plane landed may threat the rescue and life of all the passengers and crew

SEAL Team 6 might be moving in as we speak...


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6844 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62455 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 178):
Now, mandala, I have another question for you: I have heard that the outflow valves will not allow cabin altitude to drop below 14000ft as long as bleed air is working. Can you confirm or deny that? Is it possible to completely depressurize the aircraft without turning off in the "inflow" (don't know the jargon) ? If so, wouldn't the flight deck and cabin quickly grow incredibly cold? Or do you think intentional decompression is a valid hypothesis?

Turn pressurization to manual, open the valves... it will depressurize... Wanna make it quicker, just turn off the bleeds too (inflow)... Just pressing a few buttons... the longer button is the outflow valve in manual... 

Mandala499



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User currently offlineedmountain From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 62233 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 3):
I think the hijacker just did his best to make sure the aircraft wouldn't be found, possibly due to shame / insurance money. Disabling transponder & avoiding radar contact was clearly a good way to make things a lot more difficult for investigators.

WRT shame, there is a huge stigma of mental illness in many societies. Not sure if this applies in Malaysia, but if present then this could supply sufficient motivation for a would-be suicidal pilot to try to cover his tracks. In my mind this is a far more powerful motivator than finances.


User currently onlinetravelhound From Australia, joined May 2008, 934 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 62095 times:

Quoting k83713 (Reply 5):
Another thread. I wonder which number will be the last for this topic...

Oh, the intrigue of it all!


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 62024 times:

From the previous thread:

"TWA800 accident had so many theories and news breaking for every theory, but no one guessed the actual reason and there are quite a few who don't want to buy the official story."

This is true, but I think you're getting the parallels between these incidents backwards.

In the TWA 800 accident, we initially had the FBI involved looking at it as a criminal case. When they found no evidence of criminality, they fairly quickly called it an accident investigation and handed it over to the NTSB. (IIRC, this happened within a matter of a week or two.) The NTSB then investigated it as an accident. Many people never came around to believing it was an accident despite all the evidence, because they were stuck on believing what it looked like initially.

In this incident, we initially had the Malaysians and everyone else searching in the South China Sea for the wreckage of an accident. Many people compared it to AF447. The initial theory was that the plane went down for mechanical or other reasons somewhere near where it "lost" contact. Later, evidence emerged that it was deliberately hidden during flight and flown out of the area. A criminal case was opened, and the investigation "refocused" on the passengers and crew.

As in the TWA 800 accident, many people cannot accept that the theory they initially believed to be true is not. That's the parallel to TWA 800, and it's a big part of what's at work here. But you have to follow where the evidence points you, not try to look for evidence that supports your theory.

Even if more evidence comes to light implicating deliberate action by someone - and even if we find the plane and all the FDR tells us is that it was under human input until it ran out of fuel and crashed - there are probably always going to be people who believe the cause of this incident was some sort of mechanical anomaly, because that was their initial belief and no amount of circumstantial evidence could ever convince them otherwise.



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User currently offlineedmountain From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 61995 times:

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 10):
Turn pressurization to manual, open the valves... it will depressurize... Wanna make it quicker, just turn off the bleeds too (inflow)... Just pressing a few buttons... the longer button is the outflow valve in manual...

Assuming this would create a state of equilibrium with the ambient atmosphere, then would the internal temperature drop to match that of the outside?


User currently offlineedmountain From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 61512 times:

From previous thread:

Quoting EC135 (Reply 247):
Definitely not, you won't need to do all this just for flying towards the Indian Ocean and running out of fuel.... the northern scenario is much more likely. The aircraft is in my opinion sitting in one piece on the ground on a remote field in the Turkmenistan or Pakistan area covered with camouflage and waiting to be used in terrorist attack e.g. as a dirty bomb. In all other scenarios the very very well planned action to make this a/c disappear would make no sense at all.

But there seem to be some many easier ways by which to acquire a plane sufficient to deliver such a device.


User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 61369 times:

Is there any precedent set for hijackers turning off the transponder and disabling ACARS to avoid detection? As previously stated, this seems like it would require deep knowledge of the aircraft.

Also, would a commercial pilot be able to evade radar detection without any prior study of the area? These two questions would further point to a pilot(s) hijack/suicide theory. Thanks



Cha brro
User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 61074 times:

Quoting edmountain (Reply 15):
But there seem to be some many easier ways by which to acquire a plane sufficient to deliver such a device.

I don't know, it looks like they may have pulled this one off on the first try.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 60618 times:

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 16):
Is there any precedent set for hijackers turning off the transponder and disabling ACARS to avoid detection? As previously stated, this seems like it would require deep knowledge of the aircraft.

I would think it would just involve reading the AF threads here on airliners to get an idea.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 16):
Also, would a commercial pilot be able to evade radar detection without any prior study of the area? These two questions would further point to a pilot(s) hijack/suicide theory. Thanks

Possibly, but it seems really far out there for either of these at the moment, but then again the Egypt Air crash never made much sense either.


I still wonder if maybe there was a failure of the onboard systems, and perhaps as a last conscious effort the pilots somehow pulled up a previous routing within the computer that might explain how and why the plane may have kept flying on such precise waypoints as reported earlier.



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User currently offlineEC135 From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 60441 times:

Quoting edmountain (Reply 15):
But there seem to be some many easier ways by which to acquire a plane sufficient to deliver such a device.

But not if you need a long-haul a/c reaching far locations nonstop... e.g. Turkmenistan to USA


User currently offlineDrivesForShow From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 60306 times:

Quoting edmountain (Reply 15):
But there seem to be some many easier ways by which to acquire a plane sufficient to deliver such a device.

Not one that could potentially reach the US from the Middle East.

If it's in Turkmenistan (or that general region), without cargo - besides the hypothetical weapon - and no passangers, could it make it to New York? If it did follow another plane to avoid radar detection (like I mentioned in part 32 with SIA 68) it could do the same on its way to the east coast of the US and peel off at the last second before there is time to react. Also have to keep in mind European/Chinese/etc. targets as well, the US isn't the only country that gets attacked.


User currently offlinepintail21 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 60132 times:

Some random thoughts about this massive thread so far...

I think suicide is very likely. Go out in a DB Cooper-esque way, maybe get some insurance money for the family, protect them from any shame, legal action or reprisals and maybe even being (falsely) remembered as a hero for stopping a nonexistent terrorist attack. If the Egyptian gov't was so eager to defend their aircrew's obvious suicide maybe the pilot hoped the Malaysians would do the same and he could escape any blame. A lot of the suicide talks here have centered on the irrationality of a complex suicide plot, but I don't think that is correct. Suicide can be considered rational if, in the person's opinion, the pain or future consequences of living outweigh your fear of death or the afterlife, then you can argue the risk/reward equation rationally favors not living anymore. And it would be a convoluted suicide plot, but if you were going to choose murder-suicide versus just offing yourself in a more traditional manner it will be more complicated of a plot anyways, so why not take the triple 7 out for a spin and be famous?

The lack ELT issue is very interesting too. Let's say hypothetically the pilot takes the plane up to FL450 to take out the passengers then sets a course out to the most remote area and crashes there. If he takes off his mask, runs out of O2 or kills himself through other means what happens to the plane? The autopilot probably keeps trucking on the last heading/route and runs out of gas. The altitude hold mode probably holds the altitude until the stall (or is there other stall protection?), the stick pusher presumably noses the plane nose over to avoid the stall, will it kick the http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...J&sjid=bAUNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5133,904681

http://footnote1.com/the-drug-war-mo...fluence-in-africa-grows-in-africa/

As far as comparing this to Katrina or Haiti, there is a huge difference between having a major city completely inaccessible due to flooding, downed wires and trees cutting off all but helicopter and small boat access, or going into a completely devastated 3rd world country with one single runway airport that normally saw 30 flights a day triple their capacity to 100 flights a day while being run from a tent on the airfield, and government officials playing "I have a secret", refusing to get help from technical experts and sending search crews thousands of miles in the wrong direction. The may be trying their hardest, but if I go down in the Indian ocean or Gulf of Thailand without an operable beacon I have zero confidence in any of the host nation SAR assets finding me before I wash up on shore.

If you want to talk about foreign intel plots around Iran, there is no way that is possible. The Iranian intel services are a completely joke. Inside Iran where they can tap into everything and have complete government support they can be tough to crack, but outside the country? The whole Mexican cartel/kill a congressman debacle from a few years back and the bungled bombing attempt in Thailand shows that they aren't exactly KGB level. The stakes of pissing off China are too high. Terrorist organizations are also getting so dismantled I doubt we'll see another successful complex, coordinated attack. Go shoot up a soft target like an African mall, set off some car bombs, get a few lone wolf attacks? Absolutely. Sneak a dozen operatives in a country, get them training, logistical support, scout targets, etc? VERY doubtful. Plus it is well known in open source media that the taliban and AQ are almost broke. Bombing innocent civilians and not the western satans tends to piss off the locals and the rich donors. Staging fuel, bribing airline and airport and government officials, getting radar coverage data, etc is pretty tough to keep quiet. That's a lot of tracks to cover and a ton of money to carry it out, so I think a cartel is more likely to acquire a plane, not terrorists.

[Edited 2014-03-17 14:25:57]

User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 59604 times:

Quoting DrivesForShow (Reply 9):
SEAL Team 6 might be moving in as we speak...

lets hope so!


User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 59640 times:

Quoting DrivesForShow (Reply 20):
If it's in Turkmenistan (or that general region), without cargo - besides the hypothetical weapon - and no passangers, could it make it to New York

It could yes with some margin as well. 772ER MTOW range is around 7700nm.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ASB-LGA&MS=wls&DU=nm&SG=.84&SU=mach



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User currently offlinegobeyond From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 59624 times:

Well we might as well send up a satellite just to search for this one aircraft. Practically half the globe needs to be looked at. And the amount of resources expended on the search are just as incredible.
It definitely does not want to be found!!! If this is an accident it is the Chernobyl of aviation with so many things that would have to go wrong...Maybe a stray black whole is easier to explain..
Wow, just for clarity if the passengers were somehow kept alive as ransom, we are looking at almost two weeks of feeding hundreds of people...Just saying


25 747megatop : I don't think AF 447 was a precedent. They knew AF 447 had gone down because they had spotted floating debris by the 5th day. They also had a wealth
26 Lindenwold : how the heck did you join this forum in 1969?
27 dampfnudel : Pilot suicide is most likely in this situation, but just because something never happened before doesn't rule it out happening in the future. So I'll
28 davidzill : The suicide theories go down the toilet when combined with the theory that the rapid ascent to 45,000 was to kill the passengers, then fly wound for 7
29 edmountain : Google localtime(0).
30 imatams : Folks, Tom Clancy is dead.. -"Picking up" SQ 68 would have required up-to-the-minute planning that could have been ruined by the smallest of delays i
31 747WanSui : That's simply a technical error on the forum's part. I think the 45000 figure is likely inaccurate. In the Brazilian mid-air collision in 2006, the c
32 giopan1975 : Dont try find logic in a mentally ill (in the suicide scenario). In the steal-a-777-scenario it would make absolute scense not wanting to have any di
33 edmountain : If you consider the possibility of a mass murder-suicide reminiscent of Columbine etc then the creepy and pointless side of things suddenly has prece
34 jetblueguy22 : There are more than enough satellites looking for this. The US by itself probably has complete global coverage. I bet Russia and China are there too.
35 capri : am thinking in the same direction, some people knew what happened, I feel Malaysian gvt in the dark, certain people are sorting this mess quietly and
36 DJM18 : QUESTION (At the Risk of getting voted out of this forum): Are we 100% confident that there could not have been some mechanical failure (or chain of e
37 davidzill : I think the passengers were deprived of oxygen to prevent them from interfering from a later plan that did not include suicide.
38 AT : There is absolutely no way any insurance company would pay out any policy in the present circumstances- they would wait to ensure beyond a likely dou
39 Post contains images Trin : Yep, and you've gotta wonder just how much intense satellite scrutiny there is currently over areas such as India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan
40 md11sdf : Several threads ago, the Pilot's Facebook page was quoted. It would seem that he was very active in the opposition party. I read everything that was p
41 giopan1975 : There are very strong indications that the plane changed course after human intervention in the cockpit with all other factors unchanged. At least th
42 gatorman96 : Global imagery acquisition isn't the issue, but finding qualified analysts to scour the globe is where the rub occurs. Creepy? Maybe, but it isn't an
43 SeeTheWorld : Many of us have come up with several logical theories for pilot suicide, and some of you people just keep coming back with .... "it doesn't make sens
44 giopan1975 : Why not commit suicide by causing suffocation to all aboard including yourself by going up to 45000ft, manage to set autopilot before fainting, plane
45 mt99 : Ok stupid question: Can Flight Data Recorder and Voice Recorder be "turned off" in flight?
46 casinterest : I wasn't trying to imply a precedent. I was just posting the idea that a lot of information on how to track those planes and how the ACARS worked wer
47 Bthebest : Regarding the Satellite Pings, would be useful to have data from previous pings and cross-reference with possible locations. For example, a few hours
48 jelliesR : The problem I have with the mechanical scenario is if a pilot is still conscious after the catastrophic event he would want to fly it close to a majo
49 n471wn : no.......
50 dampfnudel : I agree. Too many "distractions", have been put out there for the media and public. Oil rig witness, fake passports, satellite image, "seismic ocean
51 chaseus1 : There were definitely more clues as to where AF 447 was. Not a good measure of how easy it should be to find this thing.
52 edmountain : Nothing we have seen supports 250 henchmen working for SPECTRE. It's all simply an extrapolation based on absence of evidence otherwise. It reminds m
53 oly720man : Even if it did piggyback on SIA68 it would have ended up rather further south than indicated in the Keith Ledgerwood blog, if the Flightaware flightp
54 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : I am not sure but I think the satellite is stationary over the Indian ocean and that the only geo-data they can get from it is the distance from the
55 capri : CNN states Israel just raised alert level to its highest for its ATC
56 iberiadc852 : That enhances the debate about if who planned this (assumed some organization did, as many people think), was planning to have left a trace or not, a
57 tmcn : A question in relation to the black boxes and voice recorders. Suppose the plane (wrecked) is found, and the voice and data recorders are recovered. D
58 gatorman96 : That seems like a natural step considering the uncertainty of the current situation. You can bet the US will eventually do the same
59 pvjin : I wonder how long they will continue to keep the alert levels up, after all it might take quite a while until some parts will be found from the India
60 hivue : It is.
61 dampfnudel : I would imagine the Europeans will do the same as well. There also seems to be a scaling back of the search in the Southern Indian Ocean.
62 rolfen : No question is a stupid question. It already happened that they were turned off on purpose, by triggering circuit breakers (forgot the name or flight
63 dampfnudel : Unless they discovered something specific about the aircraft's current/recent status that lead them to issue those alerts.
64 EC135 : Don't you think the Israeli Central Intelligence Agency (Mossad) has more information then published in this forum? I am pretty sure they won't raise
65 Post contains links indcwby : http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...nes-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68 Interesting read.... My apologizes if this has already been posted, but what
66 Post contains links DrivesForShow : I posted about this in the last thread and I just can't get over it: http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...nes-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68 From th
67 hivue : We are not 100% certain about anything (there's a chance, albeit a very tiny one, that this is all some collective bad dream we're having). 90% for s
68 hivue : Sorry. Slight correction. We are 100% certain it did not get to PEK on time.
69 solarflyer22 : That's a little tom clancy-esq don't you think? How exactly could they have flown and landed undetected past China, India, the US? There are only so
70 11Bravo : Not 100%......., but it seems unlikely, at best, considering the evidence of multiple course changes and seemingly deliberate cessation of comms. It
71 SeeTheWorld : I think it is just as plausible that as long as there is even the most remote chance that the plane was hijacked and is still in one piece, Israel wo
72 edmountain : This is news to me. CNN is reporting responsibility of the southern search has been transferred to Australia with one (or two?) US planes being based
73 JimJupiter : Isn't this more or less SOP for their Air Force? They're guessing as much as we do, but the level of actual threat is no different today than two wee
74 pvjin : No, I think they are just being paranoid as usual.
75 Post contains links indcwby : http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...an-islamists-plan-to-hijack-plane/ Lots of interesting stuff out there.....
76 ikramerica : Or waiting for whatever target they were aiming for to be populated rather than empty in the middle of the night. And during that time, somebody got
77 Post contains images rcair1 : First a synopsis Time-line (from CNN) ACARS ACARS data from MH370 SATCOM •Since only 1 satellite has coverage, no triangulation is possible. All th
78 gatorman96 : Absolutely! My response was to another poster's theory, their quote below: Quoting EC135 (Reply 247): The aircraft is in my opinion sitting in one pi
79 shortstack81 : thank you for your continued sanity checks, rcair1.
80 capri : all of we know it cld happened right there where it started, flight coming back to attack KUL, was shot down at Malacca strait by the military, at thi
81 Post contains images JimJupiter : Yeah, brilliant. It's totally Al Quaida Style to make your kindnapped planes disappear completely, don't tell anybody, and try to not destroy any hig
82 hivue : Thanks once again. Has it been firmly established that the captain was added to the flight at more or less the last minute? If so, perhaps that fact
83 chaseus1 : Rcair... a suggestion to add to theories.... in your excellent write up, maybe a sentence in theories section about the article of warnings of an Al Q
84 edmountain : Unless the same group of miscreants orchestrating the whole event also conspired to have him added to the flight for precisely this purpose. Not that
85 edmountain : It seems highly implausible that one could deploy a shoe bomb in exactly such a manner so as to open the cockpit door while not damaging anything els
86 Dalavia : rcair1 - let me join others in thanking you for the amazing job you are doing with your sanity checks. They are simply brilliant. May I add one point
87 DrivesForShow : Not necessarily. The hard part would be the timing but who knows, they may have tried a few times and bailed because the timing wasn't right. Maybe t
88 chaseus1 : Maybe they got in the cockpit without the shoe bomb (maybe by lav breaks or something) then had control of the plane for a bit, a struggle ensued, so
89 rcair1 : Done - just added. I'm trying to compile a list of this - but have not gotten it into shape yet.
90 kevinkevin : Yesterday it was announced ACARS was shut down manually just after 1:07am. Today once it was revealed the last radio transmission received was by the
91 jpsnaggs : Long time lurker, first time poster... Always been interested in aviation & mysteries so this topic has really caught my attention. I was always a
92 thunderboltdrgn : I guess it is theoretically possible but if an airliner was shot down over the Malacca strait, wouldn't the fairly large amount of ships in the strai
93 Post contains links chaseus1 : Thanks for your hard work... It was this article... http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...an-islamists-plan-to-hijack-plane/ I just keep thinking th
94 capri : was not familiar with area until i checked marinetraffic.com and i was shocked with the amount of ships around there
95 jpsnaggs : Sounds very plausible...
96 rcair1 : I think this is primarily an artifact of the news cycle - people read things at different times. I can tell you from personal experience that it is V
97 iberiadc852 : OK. That's a good posible plan, except that BEFORE, noone thought about that possibilitty, but NOW?. Are you implying that nothing can be done about
98 Post contains links gregorous : 42
99 solarflyer22 : This is a very plausible scenario IMO. It might have been an attempt by the Captain to overcome the hijackers too. The turn back to Kuala Lumpur is v
100 777Jet : Okay, assume that is was not pilot suicide but that one or both of the pilots were involved in a plot to take the plane somewhere else or that the pla
101 iberiadc852 : You didn't read this, did you?
102 JHwk : I'm a bit torn on this one now. It should be very easy to get the data from all the towers nearby to low level sitings and cross-reference how long t
103 jpsnaggs : I've wondered this myself. If its essentially this "easy" to take over a plane a disappear, whats the feasibility of flying low, and/or shadowing a p
104 edmountain : It does sound conceptually plausible. However, if the timeline is to be believed then the takeover would had to have taken place between 0119h (last
105 DrivesForShow : At what point would the lack of finding any debris in the ocean lead people to conclusively believe the plane was on land somewhere (crashed or landed
106 Wingtips56 : OK, I've been trying to keep up with these threads since the very first one, but they are filling up so fast now that if I leave my desk for any lengt
107 laddb : The USS Kidd is going back to normal duties. Instead, a P-8 is going to fly out of Perth to search the southern Indian Ocean, along with Australian a
108 drew777 : They've already retracted that. The system reports every 30 minutes. They know it was turned off after 1:07 because that is when it sent the last upd
109 chaseus1 : t Sure I did... I don't believe that happened though. I'm guess close examination of primary radar records would show n unidentified target approachin
110 edmountain : No, this was misinformation from the Malaysian PM. Last transmission was at 0107h but it's unknown when ACARS became disabled.
111 jetblueguy22 : That would have been and was the first place they looked. If they didn't find anything I doubt they'd go back. Pat
112 777Jet : If it crashed into the ocean, then one day, who knows when or where, somebody is going to be on a beach somewhere or swimming in the sea and maybe a
113 edmountain : The cell phone issue is relevant if it turns out that somebody's phone registered with a network--even for the briefest time--at some point. A call d
114 CaptainKramer : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would imagine a B777 (with all it's anti collision lights and transponder switched off!) flying in the shadow of anothe
115 chaseus1 : I don't know how long it took them to stab pilots on Sept 11 either. Perhaps one of the crew was part of it? It would have been about the same phase
116 rcair1 : This is old data that has been corrected. Please read
117 Post contains images laddb : I'd say after 3 months, if nothing is found, you could say with some confidence it probably did not crash into the ocean. I say that because there sh
118 777Jet : Okay. So, it is possible that ACARS and the transponder were switched off or went down at the same time? It is still possible that there were hijacke
119 rcair1 : I think the SATCOM pings rule that out.
120 DiscoverCSG : Unless a court ordered the payout after a lawsuit from the survivors. It's been widely theorized that the climb to FL440 served to kill the passenger
121 edmountain : Yes, it's still possible but unlike yesterday the evidence does not clearly implicate whoever made that transmission. Of your three possibilities, I
122 Post contains links LXLucien : They can spot small cells of clouds but a contrail is almost too small and is very hard to identify. From what I've learned, contrails can be detecte
123 chaseus1 : That window from 0119 until 0121 could be almost four minutes, or as short as just over one minute. Raiding a cockpit and stabbing a pilot or pilots w
124 na : Several pilots have said that such a manoeuvre is impossible anyway but for a very short time.
125 edmountain : I think it was reported to be 45K but the data supporting this are weak at best. In any event, it's neither necessary nor sufficient to climb to 45K
126 laurco : I do, and I would think they would have raised levels shortly after the incident. Not just for the missing aircraft, but what if there are other simi
127 777Jet : Maybe there was no struggle at all and the pilots were killed pretty much instantly? If the hijackers knew how to fly the 777, then all they would ne
128 iberiadc852 : I don't agree with that also. I hate to say it, but: - I don't think relax will come; even if this situation delays weeks. This is one of the most th
129 gatorman96 : Who are "they" anyways? Naturally, as Americans, we'd point to the usual suspects. But, I hope, after over a decade of war and the removal of their l
130 CX Flyboy : Has anyone actually sat down and worked out whether a 777-200 with 7hrs of fuel and a decent load of passengers and bags can even fly up to 45,000? Th
131 iberiadc852 : I would have told you the same before this missing flight. But the whole pack of data we have (7 hrs. flying after many systems falling without expla
132 Lindenwold : Mitchell Casado, the guy running the aircraft simulator on CNN, has been working around the clock. Anybody else notice?[Edited 2014-03-17 17:31:32]
133 777Jet : Unless you know or were related to somebody involved or are an aviation geek, then I do believe a 'relax' will come. The average person who did not h
134 Tangowhisky : Is that at MLW (max landing weight)? I am guessing with little fuel on board, and close to MZFW,it could stop in less distance. Agreed. But a simulat
135 Post contains links airbuseric : Israel tightens air security level immediately in relation to the missing MH370 aircraft: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03...pt-israel-to-tighten-
136 asmvpgold : On the whole jet shadowing theory to avoid radar.... I sort of wonder if on a normal night (before all this happened) if a WN flight from LAX to DEN o
137 chaseus1 : But if it is archived.... it would be looked at. If Malaysia has their data archived, there are many people reviewing the radar images... they would
138 hivue : Seems that way but then the airplane could have flown in circles. I think it's important to understand that the two arcs are derived strictly from ho
139 ikramerica : Don't know. Not my words...
140 hivue : I think this was debunked long ago.
141 Lindenwold : i'm watching cnn and they just said nothing has been confirmed about the family moving out the day before.
142 hivue : OK, thanks. I wonder how, after 8 days, something like that can't be confirmed. I'm beginning to think they're going to find a crashed airplane one o
143 Post contains links cialome : Some interesting articles: WNYC - Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Runways in Range http://project.wnyc.org/runways/?utm..._source=nextdraft&utm_medi
144 Gonzalo : Totally Agreed. We can see the things this other way for perspective: If I'm a terrorist and I want a big aircraft to attack the US, or any other cou
145 jetblueguy22 : I think you're forgetting the psychological factor behind 250 people disappearing. Sure a plane disappearing from Victorville is scary, but chances a
146 TheRedBAron : I see some interesting points in your post and I will add these, because quite frankly I like to play the devil advocate here: 3 things strike me as
147 hivue : Anyone who can steal, say, a 747 from Victorville is going to get front page coverage. How do you get on the freighter to begin with? If you get caug
148 Post contains links coolian2 : I hate to be glib, but I do find the response of the Taliban in being asked if they'd done it - "We wish". As per: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9
149 IADCA : I'm not convinced that whoever took it wants the plane. I think disappearing without a trace might be the point. It's a pretty powerful statement to
150 rcair1 : You posted it with a smiley - but in fact, it is a good point Yes. We know that ACARS was disabled between 11:07 and 11:37. We don't know when during
151 Post contains links trex8 : Is this the first indication of the cargo on board besides the Li batteries? " Planes will be searching for any signs of the kind of debris that might
152 rcair1 : I think that was the first officer.
153 DeltaMD90 : Wonder if it could be as simple as the flight attendant delivering drinks somehow killing the two pilots and locking the door, maybe allowing an accom
154 damirc : Well, this has been bugging me extensively... ^^ It's my opinion that a technical malfunction is unlikely (must be somewhat odd of a malfunction to ke
155 hivue : I don't believe there's any evidence of this for the captain, only the FO.
156 Post contains links 777Jet : A different article about one of the pax: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...ating-flight-engineer-s-background
157 coolian2 : Given the Captain is an aviation geek, that describes people here.....how many of the "geeks" here would wildly let people in the cockpit for giggles?
158 Dalavia : Damirc: Fascinating hypothesis. There are several points where I question your assumptions though. For example, when you say this: it sounds as though
159 F9Animal : I would like to think we are being kept out of the loop of things for several reasons. One scenario could be that communications have been established
160 SimonDanger : Someone help me out with this one: If we assume that the U.S. has spy satellites with infrared sensing capabilities, and that the EGT of these engines
161 Tapir : This is really weird. I heard over the news about 6 30 a.m that there were five runaways in the Capt's sim program. One in Sri Lanka, two in India, On
162 stuyyz : Fantastic summary, many thanks. hehehe, Douglas Adams must be watching from above. Can you turn off the strobes at night in the air? Question: Doesn'
163 chaseus1 : That only correlated to the last ping.
164 rc135x : 1. If the unlit trailing 777 is 250 feet below and a half mile behind the lead 777 then the lower airplane will not be illuminated by the lead 777's
165 Post contains links Lindenwold : http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0 "Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Fligh
166 SimonDanger : If I were investigating this event, and by extension the pilots, I would be over-laying a map with all the flight paths the pilots have flown in the l
167 crazyguineapig : Being from Malaysia, you bring some freshness to this thread. Thanks for your input. Did you hear of this over TV or radio? The thing is, it might be
168 OldAeroGuy : Great summary rcair1, but the following statement requires qualification: If the airplane were to climb to FL410 or FL430 with engine bleed air shut d
169 rc135x : To be even clearer the trailing 777 would preferentially be 250 feet ABOVE the lead 777, avoiding all turbulence.
170 777Jet : I did not know this. I knew that the pilots did not request to work together though... If true, somebody at ops might have wanted to place that Capta
171 hivue : MSFS X has more than 20,000 airports, many with more than one runway.
172 asmvpgold : He was using Microsoft Flight Simulator... it has pretty much every Airport/runway in the world... even tiny backyard landing strips. I don't think t
173 damirc : It's possible that it was planned (the shadowing bit) entirely opportunistic, considering some amount of the traffic encountered near IGARI would go
174 hivue : I think they're assuming it based on how the FMS would be used in a routine flight.
175 dreamflight767 : We keep saying that it couldn't have crashed because no debris has been found. But what if it landed in the water Hudson River style; the aircraft lan
176 Tapir : Post retracted to reflect the new information found in reply 179. Thank you.[Edited 2014-03-17 19:03:50]
177 777Jet : Could they save fuel by doing this, like slip streaming? The internet? A source would be great... But I'd doubt it until it was confirmed by authorit
178 hivue : See my post 138 above in this part.
179 Post contains links Tapir : Ok got the source. It is in Malay. Please use google translation. ialah Lapangan Terbang Antarabangsa Male di Maldives, sebuah lapangan terbang milik
180 rfields5421 : The area was searched extensively on the first day, and later. There was no debris found, no oil slicks, etc. That is very conclusive evidence that t
181 jelliesR : If it is true that the pilot was called up at the last minute, and did not request to be seated next to that first officer, that puts a giant hole in
182 777Jet : That was my first theory, on about day 3. Some say it would be hard to do at night and with such large engines, but I'm sure the engines could break
183 damirc : Still looking for confirmation for this. Last I've heard in one of the press conferences the Malaysians said that they were normally scheduled, well
184 Lindenwold : i don't recall hearing that the captain was called up last min to fly the a/c in question.
185 Tapir : So far the official version is:- The pilot and FO did not request to fly together in MH370.
186 jelliesR : I read it in this topic, and of course it could be made up by someone and repeated. Which is why "if it is true.."
187 Post contains links Trin : So NYT is now reporting that it was the 'computer that took plane far off flight path'. Hmmm. Need to find more on this I think..... EDIT: Ehh, not qu
188 jelliesR : well to be clear the NYT says someone put the waypoints into the flight management computer, via the keypad in the cockpit during or prior to the flig
189 Post contains links 802flyguy : (Sorry if this has already been covered, too many posts to wade through) Malaysian government changes its story. Again: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03
190 175erj : I think you are misinterpreting this... what they are saying is that the plane was not flown manually, rather by inputs into the FMS...so someone was
191 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : According to Wikipedia there is 24'000 airports in FSX then take into account that many airports have more then 1 runway, you will realize that there
192 Trin : Yeah - I edited my reply above. Got suckered by CNN's ticker.....sorry.
193 Tapir : I think the question is best answered with people familiar with the sim. I believe the investigator concentrated on the 5 runaways uploaded for his s
194 fotoflyer71 : Interesting viewpoint rc135x, thanks for this and your earlier input.
195 stuyyz : Thanks, very helpful, so what were the distances from all the other pings, kinda a surprised this hasn't been charted somewhere, to at least tell whe
196 rfields5421 : It still left an identifiable fuel slick in the Hudson and had floating debris. From the NTSB Report - https://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2010/AAR100
197 hivue : The arcs don't show locations of the aircraft, just two sets of possible locations. Only one point out of the two sets would have been the actual loc
198 Capt747Ret : FYI… Airplanes can float! You can go back to a SAS controlled flight into the water approaching LAX. The pilots were visually flying into a black ho
199 trnswrld : Ehhhh, say what? Yeah I'm not sure if your a pilot or have ever even flown at night for that matter, but your acting like a trailing aircraft would b
200 hivue : It turns out they're inferring this from the fact that the plane passed directly over standard waypoints, something not likely to happen in the case
201 thunderboltdrgn : I am very familiar with FSX (~1400 hours with the current install) and have used it for several years. Once you load free flight you can fly anywhere
202 Post contains links Tapir : This is from another link. The five runaways are being mentioned specifically. "Investigations into the flight simulator taken from the missing pilot
203 SeeTheWorld : " ... any other theory ..." What about the logic Diego Garcia was the 5th one ....
204 nupogodi : Fascinating! That means intentional depressurization is quite a valid theory as to how to incapacitate the cabin. Yikes, what a scary potential situa
205 suseJ772 : I very much appreciated this post. Thank you. Like you, I am not sure I buy this theory, but I appreciate the facts in the possibility of something l
206 Capt747Ret : Does anyone have any info if there was a deadheading pilot, sim/ground instructor or even mechanic onboard? If so, that person could have requested to
207 bajamatic : While true that you don't have to upload anything else, the entire fsx community is fueled by third party add ons. You can download and/or purchase "
208 Longhornmaniac : This is the second time I've seen this misread. He said "step" climb, not "steep" climb. As in when an aircraft, as it burns off fuel enroute, climbs
209 jelliesR : It could be he loaded 5 favourites or something similar. Quick access. Or maybe 5 most recent spawn points. Or maybe 5 extra-detail DLCs or mods. But
210 Post contains images suseJ772 : I kind of agree. But it would be somewhat ironic if the pilot pulled off something like this, as complicated as it is, but forgot to wipe the compute
211 rcair1 : They do not know this. They are assuming or inferring it from the fact that the aircraft seemed to follow these waypoings. -bg
212 Post contains links TheWipp : these guys state to have info from Boing about the plane being in Pakistan. is that homepage any reliable source? Is that a kbown company/organisation
213 LTC8K6 : So, you could theoretically kill everyone else aboard by depressurization at 45K, program your disappearance flight, and then kill yourself? The plan
214 Wolger : 5 frequently practiced/played runways of all? This is getting interesting. The FO is getting married, and I doubt he's got his hands in it if the pilo
215 davidzill : CNN is reported that the Malaysians are changing their story yet again...apparently the first officer's sign off was before everything else. These are
216 NAV30 : A very good find, TheWipp, thanks. Let's hope that the story is true, all concerned are still alive, and the Pakistanis 'play ball' and find the aerop
217 Wolger : Crazy is it's true.
218 nupogodi : Now that is one hell of a scary thought.
219 jelliesR : No.
220 Tapir : That is not going to happen! Especially with two by-elections in couple of weeks.
221 Post contains links suseJ772 : The Independent is maybe a more reputable source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...and-crew-investigated-9195320.html Crazy if true. Also makes
222 Post contains links SSTeve : This too has some additional verbiage: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134274/posts
223 LTC8K6 : You could kill the other pilot first, or just wait until he has left the cockpit and lock him out. The flaw is the crew, they have pressure masks at
224 hivue : If the US, Israel, and maybe Australia and India have immediate and serious security concerns over this they may be cutting the Malaysians out of a l
225 jelliesR : Reputable, but that page is already outdated they are still reporting the ACARS was switched off prior to the pilot talking. It would be a wet dream
226 Centre : The more I look at it, the more i become convinced of what i have posted in an earlier thread and got deleted: KGB style
227 7BOEING7 : Better yet, program your "disappearance" route, depressurize at the altitude you're at (FL350 works just as well) and don't put on your oxygen mask.
228 Post contains links Lindenwold : looks like lignet took the story down. n/m just new address; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134274/posts[Edited 2014-03-17 20:30:13]
229 ltbewr : To me this situation is like the old story of the Blind Men and the Elephant, determining what an elephant is like by feeling different parts of it. P
230 Starlionblue : Scary, yes, but if you think about once the pilots don't care about their own lives they can easily kill you by crashing the plane into the ground. S
231 edmountain : The simplicity of this plan automatically renders it more probable than all the captured plane theories.
232 Post contains links EricR : Yes. There was a passenger who worked as a flight engineer for a private jet firm on that flight. He is being investigated. http://www.dailymail.co.u
233 Post contains links prebennorholm : Not entirely accurate. It was a -62. Hitting the water the fuselage broke in three pieces. Two sank immediately. The third - forward fuselage connect
234 jelliesR : Strange if you think about it but the secure cockpit door thing in a way gives a suicidal pilot more options than they had prior to 9/11 Prior to 9/1
235 Post contains images mikeSa : Crazy, Richard Quest just read my Tweet on CNN regarding the plane losing controls and just going off on its own!! Good to know what the CNN experts t
236 Post contains images Starlionblue : Yes he can lock the other pilot out. It's a security feature if the other pilot loses it, which has happened. Can't have security both ways!
237 Post contains links LTC8K6 : Stolen passports on Malaysia flight used before, Chinese firm says http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...0317,0,6620266.story#axzz2wFgU1bpk
238 rfields5421 : Diego Garcia is a boring, nothing airport in MS Flight Simulator (and pretty much in the real world). Not even the couple of updated airport scenerie
239 Post contains links dreamflight767 : Not anymore... http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/1...n-jetliner/20851717/?ncid=webmail1 "By IAN MADER KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Officials reveal
240 suseJ772 : I think that is what jelliesR was saying was that since they changed the timeline indicates that this article is out of date. Not sure the two are re
241 Halophila : I've been following these posts for some days now, and I have to say this is amongst the most peculiar aviation incidents I have seen. What I am think
242 Starlionblue : Well put! I have several friends who want to be real pilots but never made it their careers and they are avid simmers, while my pilot friends tend no
243 suseJ772 : I was the same way. I used to sim all the time, but haven't turned it on once since I got my PPL. This is what I call "My Gynecologist" theory. A bit
244 flyorski : I found a very good article on one theory for MH370. A simple explanation, such as fire is seemingly the most likely in my view. https://plus.google.c
245 edmountain : My strong sense is that if anybody can gather anything of value from these 33 threads then more power to them. Seriously, we have only the meagerest
246 LTC8K6 : I would think the info we have now on positions rules out that scenario.
247 alfa164 : The voice recorder is a "loop" system, but I believe it saves about 2 hours of conversation. Unles it is a "mayday" emergency, the captain will radio
248 edmountain : Which airport is he talking about, LGK?
249 Post contains links celestar : I apologize for not taking all the time to finish this thread, but I run across this thread and not sure if it has been posted. Apparently, the aerona
250 Finn350 : This is actually a very plausible theory. The whole sequence of the events would be: - Incapacitate the other pilot - Turn off transponder - Turn off
251 Lindenwold : I thought the Tomnod maps only covered water?
252 LTC8K6 : Wings don't seem to match a 777.
253 EricR : Except there are several holes in that theory. 1.) if it was a fire as he suspects, then the plane would not have flown for another 7 hours, it would
254 SSTeve : ^ perhaps a plane photographed in flight...[Edited 2014-03-17 21:36:17]
255 4holer : ...Or.... Flying OVER said jungle. Lots of those airliners from above on satellite images.
256 Post contains links WingedMigrator : Regarding the Sanity Check... I don't know that a cockpit fire would necessarily have incapacitated passengers and crew. It could have left navigation
257 flyenthu : I have few questions. Thanks in advance! -Does ACARS monitor transponder activity? -Would ACARS have sent a message if transponder was turned off? -Al
258 timothy31388 : Yeah it does look like the airplane was in flight.
259 celestar : I don't have time to do a full Chinese to English translation, but the article did say it is missing the rudder, signs of forest scratching which indi
260 edmountain : Funny how the MH370 debate has even spread to that page. Hard to imagine a plane flying for 7.5 hours with that kind of damage.
261 Dalavia : It looks more like a Fokker in flight to me.
262 edmountain : The nice thing about this theory is that it actually matches the few things we do know: -sequence of events -absence of communication -length of flig
263 woodreau : Rcair. Thank you for the sanity check post. I haven't read any threads on the mh370 crash. And rarely follow the news reports, So this was a good syno
264 blrsea : A person using flight simulator will obviously use some sort of airport/runways. And why will an enthusiast practise on the runways in the neighbourh
265 edmountain : Something's not right. Even if that is the plane, is it plausible to land a 777 still half full of fuel in the rain forest at night without a huge fi
266 NAV30 : I once had a friend who committed suicide. We'd all tried to help him, but we failed. All of us felt guilty and wished that we'd done more for him. T
267 wjcandee : This would be a bizarre pilot suicide. Again, if you want to crash in the water, why go to the Indian Ocean. If you want to make a statement, why not
268 virgin744 : The problem with your observation is that you're basing it off your own experience. Everyone's experience is different and not all suicides are alike
269 edmountain : It does seem bizarre, but as I said earlier the stigma associated with suicide could certainly motivate someone to go through great lengths to hide i
270 737tdi : For anyone questioning the cockpit door? There is no way short of explosives to get through a Boeing (although designed by someone else) door. A buddy
271 Post contains links virgin744 : http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/pilot...raise-fresh-questions-missing-jet/ "The latest now on the investigation into Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Ther
272 k83713 : I think 45000 feet ascend can't be seen without further "uneven descend to 23000". It was the statement from investigating authorities. It's a likely
273 wjcandee : Do any major carriers leave one person alone in the cockpit anymore? My understanding is that American carriers, at least, put an f/a in there for pr
274 Viper911 : If you look for the said map on Tomnod, you can clearly see that the airplane is located 100-150 meters away from private houses, I really doubt that
275 wjcandee : By the way, the New York Times (and Fox News) breathless reporting on the aircraft being flown by the FMS seems like a data point blown way out of pro
276 k83713 : To add for the purpose of objectivity, we don't know if waypoints were entered before "all right, good night", since next ACARS transmission was expe
277 k83713 : I think the fact the plane dropped from 45000 to 23000 can be substantial since it could be explained by stall and leveling...it could be added to sa
278 Tapir : That's a bit of old news over in Malaysia. The latest spin is the Capt is the uncle of the opposition leader's daughter-in-law. Just to clarify, the
279 valleyflyer : Why is everyone only considering fire? Airbus was struggling with software bugs for a while with cockpit displays going blank, etc. online.wsj.com/new
280 Post contains links and images dandelany : Well, there does appear to be a plane on that Tomnod tile: http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/654342 However, assuming the sc
281 737tdi : I'm sorry I can not answer that question. I just don't know. I only know about my carrier. And then only because I am allowed to fly cockpit and I fl
282 Post contains links Finn350 : Straits Times reports that the investigators have re-enacted the flight path MH 370 with an identical Boeing 777-200. http://www.straitstimes.com/brea
283 k83713 : Shape of wings is completely different, look at the angle of front edge at which it approaches the fuselage. Doesn't look the same at all... And yes,
284 valleyflyer : I believe the aircraft could be tilted downward (nose down) hanging over a hillside. That may fit it better, but due to the black tail I don't think
285 PHX Flyer : I think 45,000ft is highly unlikely, but be that as it may. We are talking about rough estimates here based on primary radar data. Suffice it to say
286 EVAAIRBR076 : Maybe a bit of a doom scenario and i would be very surprised if. But next week here in the netherlands in the city where i live in, the hague, the nuc
287 LTC8K6 : Well, they'd have to re-fuel it. And presumably military and security forces will now be very alert to suspicious airliners.
288 Post contains images k83713 : You may want to take vacation just in case ...
289 Post contains links Skydrol : This lady didn't have the 'look' either, and had a lot to live for: http://www.skywaybridge.com/current.htm#140205 She was married, with 4 children,
290 Post contains links and images sejtam : I'm sure one will find quite a number of planes on Tomnod, as their pics are taken over several days, mostly much later than the MH370 flight, so fin
291 Mir : Also the wrong shape. That's an A320, perhaps an A321. -Mir
292 rebr : Doesn't fit the shape either. Looks more like a F100 to me...
293 CX Flyboy : Looks like a Jet Airways 737. It even looks like it was 737 style overwing exit arrow markings and the 777-200 does not even have overwing exits.
294 Post contains images dandelany : or something like it, if it were an A3xx or 7xx the engines would presumably be visible under the wings.[Edited 2014-03-18 00:20:47]
295 chrisair : Strange. I've seen it on plenty of your flights. Had it happen a few months ago on ABQ-LAX. They might be less inclined to go if they've got someone
296 flood : Targeting the towers in the dead of night where occupancy would be at its lowest point? Certainly possible, but an odd scenario for terrorism. If you
297 cheeken : I do have a question, since the plane sent about 7 pings (every hour) to the satellite, shouldn't we have 7 loci that might somehow give a clearer pic
298 sejtam : In fact with all the search going on, I wonder no-one has spotted pics of the search airraft and ships yet.
299 CaliAtenza : Those 2 Iranian guys were brought up on CNN tonight, by a forensic psychologist...and he then stated...with reference to them, that China is being ver
300 Mir : Can't be - the tail casts a shadow on the left horizontal stabilizer, so it's not a T-tail aircraft. They're painted dark like the tail, so it's not
301 SCQ83 : I find it amusing those who believe the suicide is "irrational" (or an insane theory) based only on their own prejudices. It depends on the statement
302 Tapir : Good point!
303 k83713 : And killing 238 people will leave the pilot as plain suicider? Oh, come on.[Edited 2014-03-18 00:39:33][Edited 2014-03-18 00:49:15]
304 sejtam : no that was not in Indonsia at all (but in the Andaman islands, check the map reference given against tomnodmaplocator.com) and a plane in flight.
305 chaseus1 : It would be smart to retrace a route as much as they can. They can see how a plane in that area may show up on primary radar, and see how it correlate
306 Enobar : Can I just throw a potential spanner in the works of the suicide theory... I don't have specific knowledge of aviation insurance policies, but not ALL
307 k83713 : You don't have to be an experienced pilot to change altimeter knob to 45000.[Edited 2014-03-18 01:01:31]
308 jelliesR : it's not suicide it's criminal anti-government protest. Direct action. Occupy Wall Street taken to a lunatic extreme. News outlets say he attended the
309 dandelany : If it was a protest, the protester did a pretty terrible job of communicating their message to anyone whatsoever.
310 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to length this thread will be locked for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes on
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