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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62648 times:
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory

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User currently offlineTapir From Malaysia, joined Mar 2014, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 62659 times:

From the previous thread,

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 308):
it's not suicide it's criminal anti-government protest. Direct action. Occupy Wall Street taken to a lunatic extreme. News outlets say he attended the trial 7 hours before taking off. How many people arranged their life to be there, to watch the verdict! he was deeply invested and very angry. IMO of course. It just isn't a simple murder suicide.
Quoting dandelany (Reply 309):
If it was a protest, the protester did a pretty terrible job of communicating their message to anyone whatsoever.

That's what bothering most Msians. Will they ever get to know the truth if that was the case?


User currently offlinechaseus1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 62535 times:

To this comment (from last page, reply 301).....

"It depends on the statement you want to make. Hitting the Petronas Tower would likely make the pilot a "terrorist", and nobody would question the government. An outcome would be easy to establish (Plane hits tower in KL. Period). Malaysian government would receive support from the US and other countries/international organizations in order to figure out potential terrorist plots.

When countries are deeply shocked by an event of this type, usually the government emerges stronger, since even non-supporters will align in such exceptional circumstances (it will be seen at least of "bad taste" trying to build political influence over hundreds - or likely thousands if you hit the Petronas - deaths).

Under the current circumstances, the Malaysian government has been in the global spotlight for more than a week just showing how lost/incompetent they are, and how confusing their statements are".

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

I don't think the 9/11 terrorists did their attack to make the United States look stronger.

They hated the United States. They went after a symbol of their strength and power and money.

If you are mad at a government , you may go after its symbols of pride, and money. Certainly the towers would be such a symbol in Malaysia. Probably as much as any other. Besides, hate usually defies logic.

As far as making the country look weak... a successful attack by a full airliner on the Petronas Towers would do that.

It would make people question how a defense force could allow another September 11th all these years later.

[Edited 2014-03-18 01:24:30]

User currently offlineShmendr From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 62551 times:

Reuters reporting that search area in India Ocean drastically cut due to new information from NTSB after Satellite Data analysis.

"The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) shrunk its search field to a 600,000 sq km (230,000 sq mile) corridor, just 3 percent of the estimated 19 million sq km area in the Indian Ocean where the plane could be, based on satellite tracking data."

"AMSA said its revision of the search area was based on analysis of satellite data collected from the plane by the United States National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) it received on Monday."

I assume the NTSB was also able to narrow down the area to equivalent sq. miles in the North?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...es-australia-idUSBREA2H07J20140318


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 62100 times:

Quoting Shmendr (Reply 3):
"The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) shrunk its search field to a 600,000 sq km (230,000 sq mile) corridor, just 3 percent of the estimated 19 million sq km area in the Indian Ocean where the plane could be, based on satellite tracking data."

Or to put it in context, about the size of 1 200 000 000 football fields assuming my maths is correct.



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User currently offlinemonjonman From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 62016 times:

Quoting chaseus1 (Reply 2):

But still why no communication to that effect .I am still thinking it was a botched hijacking by someone with limited knowledge of the systems.
Who then inadvertently compromised the aircraft and themselves in the process.
Motive could possibly have been asylum to Australia as we have recently been making it harder for boat arrivals seeking asylum off our coast sending them back to Indonesia .


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61910 times:

Quoting chaseus1 (Reply 2):
I don't think the 9/11 terrorists did their attack to make the United States look stronger.

Don't expect rational intentions or explanations from terrorists. The 9/11 terrorists hated the "West" and all that was connected to it.

They lost in the beginning because the USA received the sympathi at least from the western world.

They won finally because the US introduced the Patriot Act which took away civil liberties.

terrorists fight for a cause and if they win that fight they have to Keep the fire glowing because they can never cope with reality.

If MH370 was seized by terrorists is not clear yet and just an Option taken as Explanation of the unexplainable.



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User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61860 times:

From that reuters article: "Ships in the southern Indian Ocean have been requested to keep a lookout and to travel through the search area if possible. One ship is currently in the area, with another due to travel through on Wednesday."
And the area is 230000 sq.km. And the ships are just passing by...well, I really want to wish best possible luck, but I mean, oh well...I never really imagined there are such incredibly vast areas of wilderness on the planet.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1383 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61760 times:

I recall discussions on the captain's political interests but don't recall reading of his family ties before:

Malaysia opposition leader Anwar admits MH370 pilot is his relative
Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim has admitted that Malaysia Airlines MH370 pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah is related to his son's in-laws.

"I am not denying that he (Zaharie) is related to one of my in-laws and that I have met him on several occasions.

"In fact, he is a close friend of (PKR supreme council member and Subang MP) R. Sivarasa, as we said before," Mr Anwar told reporters at the Parliament lobby here on Tuesday."
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...s-mh370-pilot-his-relative-2014031

China says has 21 satellites looking for missing Malaysian jet
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...rlines-china-idUSBREA2H04420140318


User currently offlinechaseus1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61566 times:

Maybe no communication due to it being the act of only a few, and not a cell of large group.

Or they planned to announce a message later in the flight via radio, but the plane depressurized.

Or maybe the message will be on someones computer.

I don't know. There are many mysteries in any scenario.

I just obviously think it was a botched attack, and then plane flew off with no one flying it. And I think if the plane flew north, some country would have detected it, or a land crash.

So I think it went in the ocean. Which is a big area to search. But hopefully, it just got narrowed down.


Plus, there was never really a message sent after 9/11 I don't think. Just like here.

[Edited 2014-03-18 01:49:07]

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 10, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61576 times:

Quoting k83713 (Reply 7):
And the area is 230000 sq.km. And the ships are just passing by...well, I really want to wish best possible luck, but I mean, oh well...I never really imagined there are such incredibly vast areas of wilderness on the planet.

230000 square miles - 600000 sq.km - 1 200 000 000 football fields.

[Edited 2014-03-18 01:50:23]


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User currently offlinetim73 From Finland, joined Nov 2013, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61284 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
230000 square miles - 600000 sq.km.

That is almost the size of Texas or two Germanies.


User currently offlinecbrboy From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61337 times:

Quoting k83713 (Reply 7):
I never really imagined there are such incredibly vast areas of wilderness on the planet

Perhaps this map will help you see how big the Pacific, Indian and Southern Oceans are. The internationally-agreed Australian Search and Rescue Region covers 52.8 million square kilometres - over one-tenth of the earth's surface!


User currently offlinechaseus1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 61184 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
Don't expect rational intentions or explanations from terrorists. The 9/11 terrorists hated the "West" and all that was connected to it.

I agree. As I said, I believe hate defies logic.


User currently offlinetim73 From Finland, joined Nov 2013, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60977 times:

Pretty hopeless to find it that far away in ocean unless they find that 30 day black box ping sound in time. They might someday find some piece of debris thousands of kilometers away washed onshore. The bodies are by now fish food.

[Edited 2014-03-18 02:00:09]

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60990 times:

Quoting cbrboy (Reply 12):

Quoting k83713 (Reply 7):
I never really imagined there are such incredibly vast areas of wilderness on the planet

Perhaps this map will help you see how big the Pacific, Indian and Southern Oceans are. The internationally-agreed Australian Search and Rescue Region covers 52.8 million square kilometres - over one-tenth of the earth's surface!

I'll grant you that the Australian SSR is huge but that map uses a Mercator projection so it severely distorts area, making it seem increasingly bigger than reality the further you go from the Equator.



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User currently offlinekevinkevin From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60875 times:

With all the technology in today and they still can't find this plane?

User currently offlinejelliesR From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60947 times:
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Quoting Tapir (Reply 1):
That's what bothering most Msians. Will they ever get to know the truth if that was the case?

I think this is significant, pilot related to Anwar:
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...s-mh370-pilot-his-relative-2014031

[Edited 2014-03-18 02:07:16]

User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60850 times:

The one aspect of the hijacking, terrorism and suicide theories that doesn't make sense to me is, why choose the flight to PEK? If the intended destination was Central Asia, a flight to Europe would have been a better choice. If the intended destination was the southern Indian Ocean, the aircraft could have turned south over the Bay of Bengal. In either case the backtrack over the Gulf of Thailand and Malay Peninsula could have been avoided.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 19, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60714 times:

Quoting kevinkevin (Reply 16):
With all the technology in today and they still can't find this plane?

Technology is often severely overrated in these cases.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlinechaseus1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60434 times:

Quoting icanfly (Reply 18):
The one aspect of the hijacking, terrorism and suicide theories that doesn't make sense to me is, why choose the flight to PEK? If the intended destination was Central Asia, a flight to Europe would have been a better choice. If the intended destination was the southern Indian Ocean, the aircraft could have turned south over the Bay of Bengal. In either case the backtrack over the Gulf of Thailand and Malay Peninsula could have been avoided.

Unless the target was something very close.


User currently offlinecbrboy From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 60363 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):
I'll grant you that the Australian SSR is huge but that map uses a Mercator projection so it severely distorts area, making it seem increasingly bigger than reality the further you go from the Equator.

Agreed. The maps people look at most of the time are Mercator projections with Europe at the top and centre. That usually means the Pacific is split and placed on the two edges of the map. I posted the link mainly because it places the Pacific and Indian Oceans together, emphasising the large proportion of the globe they occupy. Of course, if you look further at the linked map, you'll notice that the equator has been placed more than halfway up the map, so some of the Southern Ocean and all of Antarctica are missing, while important features like Greenland are included...  


User currently offlineTapir From Malaysia, joined Mar 2014, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 60380 times:

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 17):

Not really. Capt Zaharie supposedly is the uncle of his daughter in law. It is common to call even a distant relative as uncle or aunty.


User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 60166 times:

Quoting jelliesR (Reply 17):

Yeah, and that would explain his attention to the trial, but that would not explain his suicide with 238 other people on board after 7 hours of flying in secret from the rest of the world.


User currently offlinejelliesR From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 60069 times:
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related by marriage is still the extended family. Initially there were denials he was even a member of the party! What are the chances that the same day conviction of a big political figure would be linked only by chance to the PIC of the first major plane hijacking for years?

25 Starlionblue : To clarify, this kind of title is common in many countries in East and Southeast Asia. It can even be used without any real family ties, and is then
26 Tapir : Capt Zaharie is a popular and much loved personality. However, we cannot dismiss the possible impact of the trial on many Msians. If not for MH370 ev
27 hawk21m : What about the IMARSAT last ping on the mapped areas....
28 Tapir : Live PC in 10 minutes. You can catch them via astroawani or BFM89.9 . IPhone users can download the apps.
29 oly720man : And it is more difficult if "the technology" is turned off or disabled.
30 coolian2 : Years? It's only been a few months.
31 Post contains links Dalavia : The press conference will be at the same URL as yesterday: http://www.astroawani.com/videos/live
32 Tapir : No. That's incorrect. His friend and MP tweeted as early as Sat or Sunday Zaharie was a life member of PKR. He never denied.
33 monjonman : I personally can not see someone performing such a radical act for something which does not directly affect them. So what if this politician goes to
34 k83713 : Thanks for the link, Tapir
35 jelliesR : "After it was speculated that the pilot was present during the trial of Ibrahim, following which he got a five-year jail sentence for sodomy charges,
36 slinky09 : Today's PC: - Listing search assets ... - Reiterated belief that ACARS was deliberately turned off without saying why. - Police investigation no new c
37 Post contains links stealthz : And the condescending nature of US media knows no bounds... From http://jalopnik.com/this-is-how-the-...laysia-airli-1545497359/@ericlimer "The US Nav
38 hawk21m : Better to save the varied news and disclose most after the aircraft is found as disclosure could be used by those involved to further hide the detail
39 smokeybandit : The article is about the US Navy's search efforts. While no doubt the US media is condescending (and quite often wrong) there's nothing wrong with th
40 blueshamu330s : I must admit, I was thinking exactly the same thing. It's the Captain America syndrome; USA to the rescue. It's what their audience want to see and h
41 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : China is beginning a land search on its territory: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26609569
42 stealthz : As a generic - How sea searches are conducted - the article is fine, the inference that the search is being conducted by the US with minor assistance
43 slinky09 : One update from the PC, the head of Malaysian Airways said they believed the transponder was switched off at 1:21 am.
44 k83713 : Thanks for interesting link indeed. In relation to P-3 it's explained that it looks for metallic parts in the ocean. Modern airplane has in fact very
45 Post contains links and images flood : Area search chart released by AMSA: Image can be found in their media kit: http://drive.google.com/folderview?i...iQpM1dxMzdSTHRMeW8&usp=sharing[E
46 turn720 : Here's an idea since you seem to be offended by this story. Why don't you give us a link to an article about an Australian navy ship that has been ou
47 chaseus1 : Engines maybe? Landing gear? Find them, you may find the plane...
48 Tapir : You're welcome. That video actually made me to be extra cautious with my words before implicating someone. It must be very painful for his family. Ap
49 k83713 : Ah, sorry, in the bottom of that article it was clarified in fact, that it will not use this sensor as primary for exactly that reason of lacking ferr
50 Starlionblue : In an airliner that weighs 138 tons empty the amount of steel is non-trivial. Much more than random seafloor features anyway.
51 Post contains images Shmendr : Thanks much for the maps, flood. It sounded like the search area has been reduced to China & Kazakhstan, in addition to the India Ocean, based on
52 nakb : Very interesting Australian press conference. Shmendr has done approx mirror image of Aussie search area but would be good if someone could do an accu
53 k83713 : Also true, thanks.
54 Post contains links hamiltondaniel : I haven't seen any mention of this here, and I have searched the last couple threads, so forgive me if this is old news. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/0
55 BoeingVista : This is completly ridiculous, it makes no sense that MH370 would be down there. The other pings were captured by more than one sattilite, just triang
56 hamiltondaniel : Yes, you certainly have better access to privileged, highly complex information, and are better at analyzing it, than the SAR faculties of some coupl
57 cbrboy : Why does it make no sense? And the evidence for more than one satellite?
58 oly720man : Assuming that.....? Since no-one knows what happened in the plane, no-one can say where it was sensible for it to be. It could be everyone on the pla
59 pvjin : It makes perfect sense compared to all the silly theories about the aircraft shadowing other flight to stay off radar & then landing somewhere wi
60 LandSweetLand : I know when I was young (really young) our neighbours were nicknamed auntie such and such. I think it was mentioned in part 33, that the points they
61 na : If China is searching their own territory for MH370, what does that say about the effectiveness of their air defence system? Ok, its the remote parts
62 Post contains images k83713 : Don't start religious war with such strong claims! no, honestly, with the amount of information we have it's not far away from superstitious beliefs
63 Post contains links SamH123 : Did the Malaysia military radar track not record MH370 hitting way points in the Malacca strait flying north? (as discussed in the Keith Ledgerwood ar
64 LandSweetLand : How are you differentiating the two?
65 na : One should think so, but the supposed route is zigzagging a bit and probably not really trustworthy.
66 zeke : The Australian AP-3Cs are heavily modified P3 making them more of a C3ISTAR platform, they can detect very small surface targets at some range (like
67 Post contains links and images thunderboltdrgn : well if you look at it, perhaps didn't pass both VAMPI and GIVAL (red lroute) but rather one of them or in the middle of them (blue route) ? But this
68 iberiadc852 : I feel the same, although I wouldn't be so sharp on something I don't have the absolutely certainty, especially when searching for missing people. I
69 zeke : Depends on how they are linked to to ATC, if via ADS, that gives ATC the last, and next two waypoints from the FMC.
70 k83713 : Thank you. How do you listen underwater beacon from the plane though? Range of those beacons detection in water is 3 km appr, and with airborne senso
71 Pohakuloa : Read every reply so far and I'm a slow reader. throwing my speculation as to why in a couple of different perspectives... here we go... *****SPECULATI
72 nakb : Don't think that follows. Southern option is being searched (a) because we can, given that only the Chinese can search the northern equivalent area,
73 slinky09 : Has there been any word from Thailand as to whether they tracked the plane at all? According to this blog, they have highly capable radars (http://ale
74 Post contains images nakb : Possibly we need a parallel thread for the Iron Man / Avengers Assemble type theories
75 zeke : They deploy a network of sensors (directional frequency analysis and recording sonobuoy) into the water over an area that have the capability to "lis
76 Post contains images k83713 : Exactly but even if serious, why not to steal a cargo jet then without world attention to the fate of passengers?
77 pvjin : If some group was capable enough of hijacking & landing the 777 in one piece somewhere, don't you seriously think they wouldn't hide the aircraft
78 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Just found this; http://ogleearth.com/2014/03/mh370-a...s-in-flight-range-on-google-earth/
79 enilria : I'm guessing it is because none had the range of this 777. NYC? The only argument I'm going to make is to say that there seems to be no shortage of p
80 k83713 : Are those sensors reusable? Must be very expensive if not - you dropped it and then you have to cover next field, but to collect it from the aircraft
81 hamiltondaniel : Wow, did not know this capability existed! If that is indeed where NYT got that, that would be a pretty huge slip-up on the part of the pilot/s/hijac
82 Post contains links enilria : Poorly written article, but I agree with the concerns... http://www.saharasamay.com/world-new...an-controlled-afghan-pakistan.html A Taliban spokesper
83 SamH123 : Maybe a cargo jet would be much harder to steal - how are you meant to get on one if you are not a pilot? (I am no expert though)
84 k83713 : I don't think so. Range is not the issue here, since in any kind of plane you will go through the same radar scan of airspace, either it took off 100
85 iberiadc852 : So, if that is the case, we could only await the fate of where they will throw it as a weapon? They would have to deploy it in a sort of runway to ta
86 na : You mean, were the US has so many radar installations and military? Sure...
87 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://news.yahoo.com/malaysia-plane...ed-cockpit-computer-062047053.html Another report about an entry into the computer...
88 Finn350 : Most likely the passengers and cabin crew would perceive the situation as an emergency and would stay on their seats, provided that the other pilot i
89 DTW2HYD : US could ramp up its resources considerably, but we have a "leak" problem. Every blogger tweeting "my source said ..." within minutes of a supposed t
90 laddb : Have any other the other 6 or 7 satellite ping distance circles been plotted? I've only seen the last one. It might be useful to have a map of all sat
91 Post contains links Kelloggs : Just to go back to some earlier posts in earlier threads with the possibility that it may have been landed somewhere well in the last couple of days A
92 scouseflyer : I don't beleive that they are reusable - ASW planes in the 70s and 80s used to carry loads of them ready to dump into the see
93 mandala499 : The antenna locks onto 1 satellite only, and goes on a frequency unique to that satellite, this is unless it is being handed over to the next satelli
94 Post contains images cbrboy : Yes. Perhaps you'll arrange that for us, then?
95 laddb : I was being sarcastic because I don't think the information has been released and was just wondering why not.
96 haddock0815 : Just one thing I don´t understand (and couldn´t find an answer yet): why is it even possible on a civilian airliner to shut down every communication
97 avlnative : I suspect that for emergency reasons pretty much every non-essential on-board system has to be able to be shutdown.
98 k83713 : Seems like because no one expected someone wants to vanish in the airplane like that. I compare this situation with software development, when you te
99 cbrboy : I'd say there's a combination of factors at work. Other countries not wanting to publicly release information that they have passed to Malaysia, who
100 mika : I'd also suspect that there needs to be a manual override to basically every piece of equipment in the case of an unexpected emergency, malfunction, w
101 Kelloggs : mandala you are exactly right. I have been following your posts and every post on this subject. I have also discussed this subject with my father at
102 michi : I have to chime in about the radar coverage talk regarding the northern arc. As a pilot I often fly trough the airspace of asia (for example: Pakistan
103 billreid : A few things that concern me. 1. If any member of the crew were flying the aircraft deep into the flight then it should be assumed that there was an a
104 bikerthai : Most of the buoys are not reusable. The ones that just listen and not ping are relatively in-expensive. I am told that there are places in the ocean
105 Post contains images michi : Nice! I feel like that this good explanation is making my previous post far to complicated to read. edit: spelling[Edited 2014-03-18 06:40:30]
106 DTW2HYD : Not on a single map but sanity checks by rcair1 has INMARSAT IOR coverage map and I believe socalgeo posted radar coverage maps.
107 GSPSPOT : The more time that goes by, the more I am leaning in this direction as well, sadly. It makes my heart ache to think what end the passengers and crew
108 billreid : We have a tendency to over complicate things. I believe strongly on Ockhams Razor, the simplest solution is generally the correct one. Given that do
109 Post contains images Trin : I'll call false on this statement. I cannot imagine any malevolent party wanting to intentionally 'hide' a T7 at sea. [Edited 2014-03-18 06:50:30]
110 TheRedBAron : I bet spy satellites have scanned all possible airports to hide a T7 by now. Since some nations are looking for the Aircraft 3500km off the coast of
111 capri : I start to believe that some governments are embarrassed to tell the world that they missed this airplane sneaking through their radars, and not to je
112 Post contains links boacvc10 : In light of the latest batch of information on MH370 (different timeline), does Chris Goodfellows analysis on Google+ hold any water?
113 Trin : Exactly what I posted in about Part Fifteen as an additional possibility to the list of reasons why Malaysian authorities are looking so incapable. T
114 Post contains links capri : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26609687 Which theory you think stands out the most???? mine will be sneaking through Burma, flying on "HANDOFF" li
115 Kelloggs : From my experience with mine site flights they will have had no idea. They will have merely gone to sleep. I often wondered why on the fly in and fly
116 woodreau : People have expounded on how you can listen to an underwater beacon from an airplane. The range of the actual beacon and detection depends on a lot o
117 billreid : Not what I meant. I was refering to the possibility that crashing it into a hidden location would ensure this remained in the news longer than a simp
118 k83713 : Thank you. By the way, doesn't it seem reasonable to implement a system in FDR, which on immersion will release a floating beacon to emit signal on w
119 11Bravo : Do you seriously expect Malaysia and Thailand to release radar data from their military air defense radars? That strikes me as unlikely.
120 Kelloggs : Correct and all they need is a and pardon my french a "computer nerd" to totally mask it this day and age. Gone are the days of the "inflatable tank"
121 janbrubel : Nobody is asking them to give the full technical details on their radar installations, just what they might have seen. It's not like anyone will be s
122 billreid : Are you expecting the authorities to visit you soon? Have you discussed this with the authorities? I believe we (posters on A.net) are being monitore
123 brilondon : The one thing that has been in my mind since this all started and please tell me what has been said about this is if the plane were hijacked or just t
124 zeke : Malaysia already has given it at least to the US and China.
125 Tapir : There was one guy fitting the description. It was reported in local news. Will look up for link. Meanwhile, guys, is it true that the will be amber l
126 hivue : We know so little that virtually nothing makes sense.
127 Kelloggs : No Paul was a good guy and talking about a job in monngolia. We on our crew said "Yes go for it" and hoped the same would come to us. At the same tim
128 hivue : See rcair1's excellent summary, reply 77 in part 33.
129 flymia : A few comments here: First when does news no longer become "breaking" the plane has been missing for a while now, few new facts have come up. Enough w
130 LTC8K6 : That will vary according to what happened to the plane. A fact we do not have yet. Obviously if it crashed, they are most likely dead, regardless of
131 UALWN : It did not fall through the cracks while flying through Malaysia. It was detected, and the Malaysians said so from day 2, although they were not posi
132 Post contains links EnviableOne : Haven't seen this for a few threads, this wiki set up by a member (sorry, can't remember who) has all the information, including rcair1s sanity checks
133 tiong : I am new here and this is my first posting. I have been lurking in this website almost every hour since day 1 of the incident . The information I get
134 BuyantUkhaa : Thailand says they received data after the first turn: What was sending intermittently? The ACARS would make no sense, the transponder? Something stra
135 garpd : Don't dismiss the effectiveness of camouflage. It's very much in the realms of possibility to hide a 777 under tarp and camouflage netting to keep it
136 Post contains links seansasLCY : Not sure if this has been discussed but apparently people have reported seeing a similar plane overfly the Maldives on the morning after. http://www.t
137 Post contains links tiong : Plane believed to be Malaysia Airline sighted off Maldives and going south at low altitude. http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062
138 11Bravo : I was referring to a media release or posting it on the internet. I'm aware that the Malaysians provided FAA and NTSB investigators with their primar
139 SimonDanger : Still stuck on the regional politics. If this event had occurred in Panama in central america, with a flight headed to New York city, the United State
140 Post contains links milan320 : I'm sure that the possibility of an in-flight fire has been mentioned here, but I must admit, it's not so easy to follow this thread at times. Anyway,
141 Kelloggs : Me thinks that it is not going to be found.. I mean we have as much chance of winning the big one in Lotto and buying the last 727 that came off of th
142 SamH123 : A North to South East heading, can anyone see a reason it would be flying in that direction? Doesn't make much sense
143 Post contains links holzmann : Why do I keep on reading and seeing (CNN, etc.) commentary that it would be difficult to hide a 777? If Lockheed could hide an entire town/factory dur
144 David L : Without more information, I'd guess they could be talking about an intermittent primary radar return rather than a signal being "sent" from the aircr
145 pvjin : Interesting, that would definitely support the southern route theory. Sorry, but your own country definitely took the paranoid gold medal soon after
146 11Bravo : That's probably not an accurate assessment. I would be willing to bet there are several USN submarines working the search either on site or in transi
147 tiong : I am also wondering why the big- boys seem quite on this. Unlike Malaysia, they have the technology clout and their silence so far were totally not a
148 Post contains images JimJupiter : Not really. Hard to imagine that it could have reached any of those 2 "corridors", especially at low altitude... But maybe the satellite is wrong and
149 Tapir : This news is appears to be more credible than all those we are hearing the last 10 days.
150 MarcoT : add other countries passing confidential infos to Malaysia on the condition of not disclosing the source...
151 jetfuel : Worth a look but the question is why are they reporting this after such a long time frame? Its so hard to know what is credible
152 Finn350 : According to the article, the plane was spotted at 6:15 am in the Maledives. That would be 9:15 am Malaysian time. It is inconsistent with the satell
153 sejtam : Via Dhaal in the direction of Addu. Diego Garcia looks possible again...
154 LTC8K6 : Well, the plane reportedly had 30 minutes fuel left at the 8:11 mark, so the time is not far enough off to dismiss, imo. Mind you, I still don't thin
155 hivue : As I implied in an earlier post if the US, Israel, Australia, and maybe India believe this incident represents an immediate and serious security conc
156 SamH123 : Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 27s Thailand now says it may have spotted #MH370 minutes after it went dark, but didn’t say anything because no
157 davidzill : Ok what is new from last night until today as far as developments go?
158 JimJupiter : See the first post or rcair1's latest "sanity check".
159 theaviator380 : WTF...if this is true then that's shame of Thai officials. Again how reliable is this source? I went through that article however IF (big IF) informa
160 Post contains links Finn350 : This one: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html
161 MarcoT : I don't understand, I really don't understand. On DAY 2 they said the AF belevies that the aircraft may have made a turn and thus they are expanding
162 nakb : The only point in trying to hide it is if they intend to use it again - otherwise it would simply be torched. That means that if it has been landed,
163 MarcoT : Malaysia has stated, several days ago, that they've handed their raw military radar tapes to the US and China, and last they've checked neither the U
164 Post contains links ANITIX87 : In interesting article. Follows the Occam's Razor theory, but may not be relevant with the newest information we have (though I tend to assume nothing
165 hivue : In either case why would the thwarted terrorists/hijackers continue controlled flight for 6+ more hours?
166 Trin : If that had been what they said, then no - they wouldn't have been being reluctant in admitting that they are unable to provide the simplest of radar
167 SimonDanger : User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 945 posts, RR: 1 Reply 146, posted Tue Mar 18 2014 05:10:18 your local time (21 minutes 2 s
168 BackSeater : If the Maldives sighting is true, then I promise to stop asking questions about the margin of error of satellite based estimates: - first it was just
169 Post contains links surfpunk : I don't know if this has been posted/summarized, as I haven't followed these threads in a couple days, and there's just too much to go back through.
170 capri : We keep analyzing things like what they keep telling us is true, i am discrediting them about the fuel amount, maybe was fueld twice and had 15hrs ran
171 SSTeve : It is interesting to speculate it was an electrical fire and they "pulled the busses" though calling Swissair 111 a DC-10 that ditched seems to show
172 SamH123 : It was posted above but it is interesting Although I would have thought assuming the plane could fly for 6+ hours after the pilots were knocked uncon
173 Post contains links tiong : Why Diego Garcia?? Putting the dots again. 1.According to the local newspaper , the flight simulator found to contain 5 landing sites in India, Sri l
174 LTC8K6 : Why would we ignore the rest of the turns, though? You have to ignore those to get to a simple fire theory. How was the plane turning at those waypoi
175 Finn350 : The plane plane flying through pre-programmed waypoints is not consistent with an electrcal fire and attempt to deviate to a near alternate airport.
176 nakb : Possibly because whatever may have thwarted the intended act of terrorism incapacitated the crew, so it continued on auto-pilot until the fuel ran ou
177 Trin : I just don't understand this Goodfellow guy's take on the event. He is taking the Occam's Razor method of deduction and using it as a machete. It see
178 N328KF : Is the current Australian search zone located such that if MH370 were found there, that the investigation would be headed up by the ATSB? With the app
179 LTC8K6 : How about this for the beginning of the scenario? The hijacker, presumably one of the pilots, begins by programming the first turn into the plane whil
180 davidzill : Again with Diego Garcia, you will not land there without expressed permission from military ATC. The base is littered with strategic bombers, includin
181 jpetekyxmd80 : How far back would the CVR go?
182 tiong : I dont believe it was a suicide attempt. Putting the dots, I think a protest attempt may be, with the plane , crew and passengers remain intact and t
183 IADCA : I can't take him seriously at all. His comparable inflight fires paragraph contains numerous factual errors, at least two of which are important to h
184 liquidair : ok, maybe not the right time and slightly off-topic, but when i read that... all i could think of was Kramer in 'Airplane!' saying... "no...that's ju
185 Post contains images rcair1 : First a synopsis Time-line (from CNN) ACARS ACARS data from MH370 Way-point Tracks ACARS and FMS (Flight Management System) Communications relevant t
186 solarflyer22 : Yeah, I read the pinger only intended for max depth of 14k ft whereas Indian Ocean search area is 20k +. I am sure an attack submarine could hear it
187 pintail21 : If you are a sim enthusiast are you going to check out the approach to a beautiful, tropical place like VRMM or FJDG (where he'll never get a chance
188 Post contains links wxmeddler : I apologize in advance if this has been reported already but: Maldives residents saw 'low-flying jumbo jet' on March 8: PETALING JAYA (THE STAR/ASIA N
189 tiong : I was viewing the local TV station programme about MH 370 few days ago . The pilot (in the tv programme) was explaining about the turnback and the re
190 DJM18 : Two important questions: - Do we have a source or confirmation of the NYT story that the turn was programed into the computer? - I heard on CNN an exp
191 rcair1 : I've not seen this report before. If it is valid: - It is within the range of the a/c - It is NOT consistent with the SATCOM ping location. If the 6:
192 hivue : Do you mean before the transponder quit? The waypoints I think were transmitted by ADS-B. The arcs from the "pings" cannot be used to reconstruct a p
193 rcair1 : No. See my analysis in the lasted Sanity Check I did try to analyze the report for consistency (in an effort to validate it). The report is not self
194 marktci : The problem with the Wired post is that it doesn't tell you that it was originally posted on March 13th. It may have been valid then but needs to be
195 hivue : Given what we know from the limited primary radar data it makes total sense that this is they way it would have been done. (We've talked Occam's razo
196 shortstack81 : if you read through the original post, he does update his thoughts. as the original post's comments are now full of media inquiries, i'd expect him t
197 liquidair : logically speaking, if we are to believe what was said by the Malaysian transport minister (that the plane had another 30 mins of fuel left) - if thi
198 hivue : Wasn't there a previous post by perhaps zeke that something like the last two waypoints and the next two waypoints get transmitted by ADS-B? This wou
199 nakb : Granted that each individual "ping" only gives rise to an arc, by plotting the arcs from several consecutive pings and making assumptions about speed
200 hivue : It would have had to have been in range of another satellite.
201 DeltaMD90 : That would be pretty hard to do, I would think, if it's anything like the 737. The display unit isn't really out of the way, the other pilot would ha
202 Post contains images David L : Unless you have access to information we don't you I don't see how you are any in a position to say that. With apparently very little evidence, this
203 davidzill : Yes a civilian airliner can land at Diego Garcia, if it is pre-scheduled and charted to carry troops or cargo. In the event of an emergency landing, y
204 rcair1 : The map for coverage is in the latest sanity check - post 186. This location is covered by the same satellite and it is closer, not further from it.
205 wingz : For the transmitting of FMS waypoints (to ATC), is it ADS or ACARS that would be used? ADS seems more logical for this job. Or maybe this data is add
206 dandelany : I've heard many people defending the Malaysian handling of the investigation, and I agree that we do have to give them the benefit of the doubt to so
207 Post contains links woodreau : Following the link from the sanity check, http://www.hydro-international.com/i...Deepwater_Black_Box_Retrieval.html From the article: The power level
208 rcair1 : Yes - I need to edit it for ADS transmission. But - if the ADS - we would know when so the "before or after takeoff"question would not exist. If ACAR
209 Post contains links freqflyerNYC : New member and first time poster, but like many, have been following the forum for some time. I have found some of the information, including the syno
210 Post contains images airbazar : Not exactly the same but pretty close. I'd say it's the same as landing at a sensitive U.S. base in the UK
211 David L : Do you think the actual investigation was side-tracked by that, especially given the participation of the NTSB, AAIB, Boeing, RR, etc? Perhaps NTSB p
212 liquidair : thanks. So what would have made the plane stop pinging? if they switched off satcom, why after 7 hours of transponder? confusing. and again, only if
213 Post contains links Finn350 : The NYT article has the following: Either I, you or the reporter or possibly all of us are confused about the details. It appears ADS-B (broadcast) p
214 rcair1 : I actually had not seen that article and I find it very interesting. The discussion of how the 777 FBW will make the aircraft more stable during a no
215 DTW2HYD : It is possible SITA gets all ACARS messages and forwards only those based on subscription. Based on MAS statements they subscribed only for engines.
216 rcair1 : Confusion is the name of the game here. Thanks for your data - I will incorporate it in the next update. (which probably will be some hours - got wor
217 rcair1 : I doubt it. BW on satellites is expensive. SITA does not own them or provide that.
218 4holer : Are B-2s stationed at Diego Garcia or is that just a stopping point? If they are based there, is it possible that a disappearing airliner is an attemp
219 Trin : Anybody know how often the Malaysian authorities (I am assuming they are still heading the investigation) are holding press conferences on MH370? I'm
220 Post contains links flyenthu : Anyone heard about Maldives residents seeing a low flying jumbo jet. Why this after so many days? Weird but intriguing. http://www.thestar.com.my/News
221 capri : usually happens at 1730L 0930UTC
222 hotelbravo : It looks like some points on the Southern arc lie very close to the edge of the receiving area for the POR Inmarsat satellite. Any chance that POR pic
223 hivue : Apparently they used the fact that POR did not pick up any 08:11L ping to chop out the area between the arcs.
224 Post contains images DeltaMD90 :
225 pintail21 : No. B-2's are at Guam to show the ruskies, chinese and NK's we're ready to go, but there's no reason to stop at DG. In the opening days of OEF/OIF B-
226 hivue : OK, thanks. I'm still of the opinion that the reason they think the FMS was used to fly the plane is because what primary radar coverage they have sho
227 dandelany : Definitely an interesting perspective, but the fact that the plane supposedly flew through three separate nav waypoints (VAMPI, GIVAL, IGREX) does no
228 BoeingBear : This theory is well thought-out and might have been plausible a couple of days after the disappearance, but some of his ideas don’t quite work –
229 davidzill : I'm going to throw in my take...the pre-programmed waypoints added to the flight management computer that took the aircraft onto a different course di
230 capri : possibility brings in more possibility, if the electrical failure was the cause and somehow air crew were incapacitated, cabin crew and/or pax tried t
231 LTC8K6 : And the turns at the waypoints are just a coincidence?
232 DeltaMD90 : Is it now? We can't necessarily conclude that
233 tomlee : Yay for science it seems. The search area for the sat's being narrowed down by an order of magnitude no longer means it is almost impossible to find a
234 qualitydr : I stand in total awe of your work, rcair1. Many thanks for your diligence and rational, fact-based approach. The longer this event goes on without re
235 capri : the turns are just an assumption, no one from government gave us images of radars showing blips, am just trying to make some sense of the theory that
236 rickabone : Quite simply the on board fire either suffocated itself after rendering enough smoke to kill everyone on board or it caused a hull breach that wasn't
237 kevinkevin : Some reports appearing that residents on Maldive islands reported seeing a low flying jet. White with red strips. Is there any credibility here?
238 LTC8K6 : The one thing that has remained stable in this story are those waypoint turns. They took a 777 and flew the same route. I think the turns are not ass
239 Post contains links Finn350 : I did a little bit more digging into the ADS-C. Specifically: Source: http://code7700.com/pdfs/icao_gold.pdf (paragraph 5.6.3.2) It appears ADS-C wou
240 freqflyerNYC : I believe the article addresses this, or perhaps it was another article presenting a similar scenario. If there was a catastrophic event, the pilots
241 shortstack81 : the timing (6:15AM local, 9:15am Kuala Lumpur) time seems off. i am hoping there are some clarifications in the coming hours and days. The locale (I
242 capri : all this is frustrating with only 1 daily well orchestrated and choreographed press conference, and so many countries sensitivity military radars ret
243 Post contains images BoeingBear : So, this fire generated enough smoke to asphyxiate the passengers, but only lasted long enough to fry the communication systems without affecting the
244 TheRedBAron : Is it possible that there was a fire in the aircraft, and the cabin filled with smoke, panic ensued, the pilots knowing the big problem tried to use a
245 Burkhard : If MH370 is the aircraft they saw, and it should be possible to find out if they saw a Malaysian plane or another one - then it must have used up ist
246 Post contains links dandelany : Per the ADS wikipedia page - "ADS-A [also known as ADS-C] reports are employed in the Future Air Navigation System (FANS) using the Aircraft Communic
247 tomlee : Carbon Monoxide is cumulative. Edit: Carbon monoxide is a common combustion byproduct and is colorless, odorless, and tasteless even low concentratio
248 dandelany : You're thinking of another article, perhaps you should re-read this one before commenting on it. The CNN article in question specifically claims "If
249 jpetekyxmd80 : Question: is it possible that before they could reach land, they decided to immediately ascend to 45,000 feet and depressurize in a fire suppression e
250 Post contains links LTC8K6 : IIRC, depressurization won't put out a fire, and may make things worse. http://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/2010Confe...lDepressurizationFreighterPres.pdf
251 Speedbird128 : I'm not a pilot, but I have worked an ADS-C/CPDLC system for many years. I personally find it unlikely that MAS370 was logged on to ADS-C. ADS-C is n
252 stuyyz : Agreed. Another crazy theory: Plane tries to land at Diego Garcia, can't identify itself (comms are off/out), gets shot down, cover-up underway....an
253 hivue : But not if the transponder was off, right?
254 savethequads : Would a pilot look at a transponder frequently to make sure it operating? My experience tell me no. I know in the C-17 (which is pretty similar in des
255 LTC8K6 : Everyone suggesting a fire needs to add an explanation for the following several hours of flight, including turns at waypoints.
256 Post contains links tomlee : They should have used UL94 V-0 wire, what is the flame rating of aviation cabling anyways I'm guessing they have their own standards relative to buil
257 ComeAndGo : Super computers, yes ?? If the plane ends up being in the Maldives then the US Sat contribution is going to be a black eye for the US & all those
258 hivue : But a transponder has to be on, correct?
259 DeltaMD90 : No, this is not what the checklists call for, nor is it even logical. If they wanted to "depressurize to extinguish the fire" they could have just de
260 tomlee : All ocean modeling is done on what is basically a supercomputer vs. a desktop. (All those maps we have for ocean flows comes from these models run on
261 nm2582 : With regards to the Maldives sighting. One thing I find unusual is that the report indicates that everyone saw the same thing and had the same observa
262 freqflyerNYC : You are correct in that the first part of my response was in reference to another source. But I do believe the article addresses the issue of waypoin
263 pintail21 : If you're in an emergency and you're low on fuel, why would you pass up Male and Gan Int'l Airports, plus far preferable ditching conditions in the M
264 rickabone : It could have breached the hull and caused depressurization that also put out the fire... It might have done so before the pilots were able to get on
265 Flighty : Just keep that in mind when the AC is found, and the black box describes the true path. _Maybe_ they saw the jet. Maybe it never got closer than 800
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