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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 35  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48439 times:
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7795 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48401 times:

From the previous thread:

Quoting rickabone (Reply 265):
At that altitude, you don't have much time

Which is why it is a memory item and why it's so easy/fast to reach down, pull on the mask, have the mask straps inflate, and it put over your head. Literally takes a second or two. Not saying they couldn't have goofed it up but I find it unlikely

The biggest problem I have with a fire is that it would have to be in the right place to disable ACARS and the transponder and depressurize the aircraft. You are not a 777 systems expert and neither am I, but I bet you the actual Boeing systems experts have already seen what was disabled and checked to see if a fire could have hit those in a logical manner.

Plus on top of that, explaining the turns would be hard. If there was no oxygen up there, I would find it hard to believe a passenger was able to hold his/her breath up there. If it was a crew member, the crew member would have known to put the masks on the pilots.

IDK, too many holes IMO. I thought about fire theories as well but like I said, if it was a plausible theory, I think the big wigs in Seattle would have better info on that and we haven't heard anything about a fire. I'm not sure if it's physically possible for a fire to make MH370 behave the way it did



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User currently offlinetwincessna340a From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48403 times:

I think I might have missed the cutoff, so I am re-posting. I've managed to hold off posting on this thread until now...

+1 to rcair1 for the 'sanity checks'

Quoting kevinkevin (Reply 238):


Some reports appearing that residents on Maldive islands reported seeing a low flying jet. White with red strips. Is there any credibility here?

Where specifically in the island chain are the reports coming from?

Could be Air India, Meridiana, Shanghai Airlines, or Sichuan Airlines which all have regular scheduled service to the Maldieves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Nasir_International_Airport

[Edited 2014-03-18 12:18:39]

User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48402 times:

I would think the most noticeable thing about the MH livery is the design on the VS.

Did any witnesses note that?


User currently offlinedandelany From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48184 times:

Carried over from the last thread:

Quoting hivue (Reply 254):
But not if the transponder was off, right?

Right, but the point is that ADS-C could potentially have sent up to two *future* planned waypoints *before* it was turned off. So the timeline would be something like: Someone sets waypoints for diverted route -> planned waypoints transmitted by ADS-C via ACARS -> Transponder/ACARS/UHF/SATCOM disabled.


User currently offlineKIAS From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48229 times:

I'm sure this has been posted already, but I'm going to post it again:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

I've been saying electrical fire from the start. I don't subscribe to these theories of hijack and stolen planes. This makes sense to me. I think Chris Goodfellow is on point.



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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48203 times:

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 2):
Could be Air India, Meridiana, Shanghai Airlines, or Sichuan Airlines which all have regular scheduled service to the Maldieves.

That part of the Maldives only sees waterborne prop planes


User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2564 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 48065 times:
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If they find the plane eventually, isn't it true the CVR and FDR only record two hours? In essence the plane flew for very long and no recording or data from the initial loss of contact would be present anyway. So we still wouldn't know what really happened. Is this true?

User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47973 times:

Quoting KIAS (Reply 5):

That does not match with the extended flight and the waypoint turns.


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47975 times:

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 7):

DFDR is 25 hours.

CVR is 2 hours.

QAR is ?


User currently offlinetomlee From Canada, joined Aug 2010, 348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47844 times:

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 7):
If they find the plane eventually, isn't it true the CVR and FDR only record two hours? In essence the plane flew for very long and no recording or data from the initial loss of contact would be present anyway. So we still wouldn't know what really happened. Is this true?

CVR is 2 hours, FDR is long term 25+ hours.


User currently offlineTrin From United States of America, joined May 2011, 145 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47916 times:

I just got back in from lunch and I must say that the news coverage on this event from CNN is sickeningly juvenile. They have apparently got their hands on the "startlingly simple fire theory" story. They even had a printed out copy of it that they were fanning in the camera's direction. They then proceeded to play "join-the-dots", and plotted a straight-ruler line from the last radar blip off the west coast of Malaysia, to.....say it with me........the Maldives.   

Because, as we all know, hear-say trumps facts anyday - and a technically malfunctioning airliner with no communications and systems knocked out will fly on a true heading straight to the Maldives......for no reason......then cross the island chain, do a 180, and fly southeast over them again, real low - you know, because that's consistent with a cockpit fire theory with a trained pilot looking for the nearest runway.

Quoting KIAS (Reply 5):
I've been saying electrical fire from the start. I don't subscribe to these theories of hijack and stolen planes. This makes sense to me. I think Chris Goodfellow is on point.

No. Just.....no.

[Edited 2014-03-18 12:25:53]


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User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47856 times:

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 7):
If they find the plane eventually, isn't it true the CVR and FDR only record two hours?

The FDR records much longer. It will have the entire flight, if it was not disabled. The CVR in the accident aircraft, according to reports, only records the last 2 hours.



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User currently offlinetomlee From Canada, joined Aug 2010, 348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47737 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 12):
The FDR records much longer. It will have the entire flight, if it was not disabled. The CVR in the accident aircraft, according to reports, only records the last 2 hours.

There are also FDR/CVRs with recorder independent power (RIP) but I'm not sure how many planes are equipped in such a fashion. (It only lasts ~10 minutes on loss of recorder power but that at least would help tell if it was deliberate or not)

[Edited 2014-03-18 12:27:51]

User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47737 times:

Quoting nm2582 (Reply 3):


With regards to the Maldives sighting.

One thing I find unusual is that the report indicates that everyone saw the same thing and had the same observations: North to SouthEast, all said it had red stripes and was loud.

But we've seen from so many other investigations that first hand witnesses often have wildly varying stories, and they notice different things.

Why would these witnesses all have the same story?


Well I think it's because they read about/heard about before saying what it looked like,
especially when it's over a week since the disappearance.

[Edited 2014-03-18 12:29:05]


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User currently offlinestuyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2011, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47792 times:

Quoting pintail21 (Reply 264):
Quoting stuyyz (Reply 253):
Quoting stuyyz (Reply 253):
Quoting davidzill (Reply 181):
Again with Diego Garcia, you will not land there without expressed permission from military ATC. The base is littered with strategic bombers, including the $3.5 billion B-2 bomber. It is a U.S. Military pit stop. Highly unlikely 370 landed there unnoticed.


Another crazy theory: Plane tries to land at Diego Garcia, can't identify itself (comms are off/out), gets shot down, cover-up underway....and they are trying to figure out how to shut those Maldivians up.

If you're in an emergency and you're low on fuel, why would you pass up Male and Gan Int'l Airports, plus far preferable ditching conditions in the Maledives to continue south a few hundred miles to the middle of the Indian Ocean?

Plus why cover it up? The Navy didn't cover up the Iranian aircraft they mistakenly shot down due to a radar error, and if they show the tapes where a large, unidentified aircraft without a squawk code shows up unannounced at a military field in a post 9/11 world would anyone really be able to fault them?

The pilot had Diego Garcia as one of his top 5 landing strips in his simulator, so for whatever reason he was aiming for this airport.
Coverup: It may all come down to the base commander or even the missile operator who is covering it up, and not telling his senior officer. Who knows...its a longshot theory in the first place.


User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47650 times:

Quoting Trin (Reply 11):
. . . with a trained pilot looking for the nearest runway.

. . . with a trained pilot searching for that landing strip that exists in his flight simulator but not in reality.


User currently offlinejox From Sweden, joined Jan 2003, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47534 times:
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Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 2):
Where specifically in the island chain are the reports coming from?

I got this place from some of the linked postings:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=Kudahuvadhoo&ll=2.672313,72.874031&t=h&z=13

It seems like an extremely small and rather isolated place, so that might explain why it took a while for the message to reach out. It is likely that the fishermen (or whatever they might be) that live there hadn't heard about the missing 777 so they didn't see the need to urgently report the sighting.

[Edited 2014-03-18 12:35:21]

User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2564 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47243 times:
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OK so CVR is 2 hours, I think then we will never find out what triggered everything. If suicide is the reason, then it's logical he flew for so many hours so that all evidence of it is erased.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7795 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47265 times:

Quoting Trin (Reply 11):
They have apparently got their hands on the "startlingly simple fire theory" story.

And as I've said before, I think the guys at Boeing would have mentioned this days ago if there was a fire that could have more or less replicated what MH370 did. That is barring any crazy conspiracy theory or Boeing being silent while they connect the dots.

Just from what little we know, I'm not sure if a single fire could explain what happened. There is usually one or two holes that need something completely crazy/nonsensical to happen

Another note people should know--pilots are trained to react to things certain ways. I'm not saying pilots never deviate from procedures but I'm 99.999% sure the 777's fire from an unknown origin (or any checklist for that matter) does not involve the pilots climbing to 45000' to de-pressurize to put the fire out*. Now what if the pilots didn't use the checklist and instead thought of that brilliant idea by themselves? That just doesn't happen. Deviations happen but I seriously doubt they'd do that climb/depressurize maneuver

If you know the procedures and checklists for MH and the 777, you can more or less guess what they would have done if X, Y, or Z happened and they followed the checklists

*heard this 'theory' in the previous thread



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1196 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 47265 times:

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 15):
The pilot had Diego Garcia as one of his top 5 landing strips in his simulator, so for whatever reason he was aiming for this airport.

I'm not all that sure if that's really the case. As far as I know there's nothing that would log "top airport" in Microsoft Flight Simulator X. It has a flight log though.

I think they just concluded that all those airports mentioned in the news article are included in the simulator (as they are there by default), but maybe the captain actually never even landed into any of them in the sim.

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 15):
Plus why cover it up? The Navy didn't cover up the Iranian aircraft they mistakenly shot down due to a radar error, and if they show the tapes where a large, unidentified aircraft without a squawk code shows up unannounced at a military field in a post 9/11 world would anyone really be able to fault them?

If the first thing they would do when an unidentified large aircraft appears in peace time near their airport is shooting it down they should seriously seek some help from mental health professionals. There's absolutely no need why someone would want to commit a terrorist attack using an airliner on a military island located in middle of nothing.

Obviously they would shoot it down only after identification if it didn't follow their orders & performed maneuvers that would suggest it was planning to fly into their base. I would imagine Diego Garcia has rather good radars that would make them detect the aircraft way before it was anywhere near them.

[Edited 2014-03-18 12:42:47]


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User currently offlineKIAS From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 47135 times:

Quoting Trin (Reply 11):
No. Just.....no.

I read your reply in the previous thread. I don't think Goodfellow has a 100% perfect analysis but it's in line with my thinking. There is a ton of conflicting data and we just don't know enough yet. So it's all speculation. But, in time, we'll see.



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User currently offlinetomlee From Canada, joined Aug 2010, 348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 46991 times:

Quoting jox (Reply 17):
I got this place from some of the linked postings:
https://www.google.com/maps?q=Kudahuvadhoo&ll=2.672313,72.874031&spn=0.164959,0.196552&t=h&hnear=Kudahuvadhoo&z=13

It seems like an extremely small and rather isolated place, so that might explain why it took a while for the message to reach out. It is likely that the fishermen (or whatever they might be) that live there hadn't heard about the missing 777 so they didn't see the need to urgently report the sighting.

I dunno Maldives looks like a pretty nice resort destination (http://roomsvillas.angsana.com/maldives_velavaru/Reservations/Rooms/Beachfront-Villa) and hotels (Complimentary Wifi) around the area and likely many homes have internet access. (via, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhiraagu and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raajj%C3%A9_Online

[Edited 2014-03-18 12:39:02]

Edit, more specifically the entire island chain has internet and cell access it seems. http://www.maldivesclub.ru/sites/all/files/dhiraagu_coverage_map.jpg


[Edited 2014-03-18 12:46:00]

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2996 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 47002 times:

With regards to the altitude changes, is it possible that if those altitudes are accurate, that the changes were the result of "porpoising" as in the Payne Stewart flight?
(link from result of googling payne stewart flight porpoising)

http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/abclearjet.htm



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User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 46710 times:

Quoting dandelany (Reply 4):
Right, but the point is that ADS-C could potentially have sent up to two *future* planned waypoints *before* it was turned off. So the timeline would be something like: Someone sets waypoints for diverted route -> planned waypoints transmitted by ADS-C via ACARS -> Transponder/ACARS/UHF/SATCOM disabled.

I understand that, but what I'm saying is ADS-whatever goes out by transponder, not ACARS, right? Just trying to understand how the system works. I still think the whole FMS was programmed thing stems from they're seeing the plane overfly standard waypoints on primary radar, not they're seeing future waypoints radioed in.


25 LTC8K6 : No, because there was only one such excursion, iirc.
26 Post contains links jox : The whole atoll has some 6700 inhabitants on 56 islands where 11 is unhabitated. Not nesseceary that the sighting was done from where the resorts (if
27 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : According to Jim Sciutto, CNN, there was nothing suspicious about the FlightSimulator. http://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statuses/445993005481472002[Edite
28 Post contains links KIAS : Phugoid cycle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phugoid
29 Post contains links dandelany : According to the ADS wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat...c_dependent_surveillance-broadcast
30 Burkhard : What IF one of the pilots, unconscious for hours, regained conciousness, found out all comms destroyed, and flew deap over the Island he became aware
31 Post contains images tomlee : More specifically, sorry also edited into the last post but there is coverage across the entire island chain it seems. They have fiber optic cabling
32 twincessna340a : Thanks. Plotting a course between SABDI and ELKEL puts the flight path DIRECTLY ABOVE that atoll. Playing around with Skyvector instead of doing scho
33 imatams : The Maldives are a prime international tourist destination, with countless luxury hotels and a well developed tourism infrastructure. This particar l
34 Finn350 : Based on the quotes in the previous thread: ADS-B goes through the transponder and is inactivated when the transponder is off. ADS-C uses ACARS proto
35 Vimanav : The Maldivian sighting, I think is a red herring. It could well be an aircraft taking off from Gan International Airport which is about 340kms South o
36 boacvc10 : where is kudahvuadhoo in relation to the any flight path possibilities? I ask as a hypothetical, in other reports one of the practice airports determ
37 shortstack81 : The Maldives are a long island chain. The island in question is south of the capital and main airport at Male. It may be nothing but I suppose it's wo
38 Trin : No, because any pilot worth his salt would not intentionally fly a crippled aircraft that could drop from the sky any second over a populated island,
39 Post contains links tomlee : Considering it is a long and popular island chain with internet and cellphone coverage across almost every area (remote or not) with fiber optic line
40 4holer : If the suspected plane above the Maldives was low enough and if any passengers had left their cell phone on, assuming there is cellular coverage in th
41 imatams : Hmm Still find that story as unlikely as before, but I must in fairness say that if you continue the direct flight path from last known position just
42 hivue : Thanks. Sorry but somehow I missed that. So if the FMS-was-reprogrammed theory is based on future waypoints sent via ACARS (as opposed to them just i
43 edmountain : If the SATCOM pings haven't been debunked and if one assumes the engines were still running during the last ping at 0811h then doesn't that imply nor
44 tomlee : There is basically total cellphone coverage on all the islands. It is a popular tourist destination with a lot of infrastructure and remote resorts w
45 Post contains images twincessna340a : kudahvuadhoo Possible FMS routes that include this sighting over the Maldieves I have two destinations in mind: the Seychelles or Socotra (Yemen) Rout
46 Leeloo : Even though it might just be the two last hours i think that would be enough to figure out what was going on... maybe not the whole story from the be
47 tomlee : Ok ignoring flying over a populated island being a bad idea for staying hidden, those paths all contradict the known and external data provided by in
48 twincessna340a : I totally agree. I was going on the premise of IF the sightings turned out to accurate. I personally believe that the airplane is in the Southern Ind
49 Post contains images rcair1 : First a synopsis (dropped some old 'breaking news' items) Time-line (from CNN) Maldives Report (broke 3/18). If confirmed/debunked I will update acco
50 Kaiarahi : Forget the Maldives. The last ping was captured 7.5 hours after departure from KUL. You simply can't get from the ping location to the Maldives on the
51 rcair1 : Question to the forum. - These things are getting SO big - I'm wondering if I need to do serious trimming. They are becoming encyclopedic. Not only i
52 rcair1 : Agreed - a point I made in the latest Sanity Check - if the Maldives sighting is valid - we must discount the SATCOM Ping data.
53 Post contains links kevinkevin : http://mh370shadow.com/ This theory, as mentioned before, sounds extremely credible. SQ68 was at FL300. Reports from a week ago suggest MH370 descende
54 DTW2HYD : There is ton of Air Taxi activity over Maldives all the time, some one will notice a 777.
55 canoecarrier : It would be nice if we could exclude some of these hypothetical destinations like Somalia or the Maldives in the "sanity check" upthread. I've seen p
56 jelliesR : was the lithium battery cargo confirmed or denied? if the known flight path of the plane was consistent with an autopilot programmed with part or all
57 twincessna340a : India's combined civil and military radar (over the mainland) should have the resolution required to resolve two 777s flying in formation, or at leas
58 bajamatic : Grasping for straws, admittedly.... Is it possible for someone to activate an older flight plan via this computer? It seems the flight path followed A
59 goosebayguy : The Maldives sighting is inline with my belief this plane has landed in Yemen or Saudi Arabia. There are many airfields in the desert all unmanned. Th
60 rickabone : I agree that it's the first thing you are trained to do as a pilot, but if the co-pilot was a bit of a cowboy (maybe up out of his seat), perhaps the
61 edmountain : Why did it take 11 days (or is it 12?) for these reports from the Maldives to emerge? Sounds like a false alarm.
62 rebr : This theory doesn't make any sense to me. Were they counting on their luck? Even the slightest delay in KUL or in the case of SQ68 in SIN and this wo
63 kevinkevin : Their radars may of shown abnormalities if your theory is true. They would just have checked secondary radars and then realized it was SQ68 which doe
64 jpetekyxmd80 : It's really not at all in line with your belief. If it is in the Maldives at 9:15 KUL time, it is on it's last gasps of fuel. And then you think it f
65 Post contains images bikerthai : It may have taken a few of days to put two and two together. Remember that the plane was supposed to have gone down 1/4 ways around the world. The th
66 CascadingDelays : I have been following the thread daily and am a returning anet'r. Question. I have read in other areas that the "ping" on radar that the various auth
67 tomlee : Maybe they downloaded some Jet A off an iPad............... (Someone needs to make an app similar to download more RAM)
68 md11sdf : Hello, I only have time to skim the latest posts. Has this been covered? This morning on CNN their Aviation Expert stated that the "climb to 45,000 fe
69 Speedbird128 : I was behind a scope - sorry for not answering earlier. As has been said, ADS-A/C doesn't run through transponders. And some crews *might* not know t
70 woodentom : I am sure this has been mentioned but so many threads to read. Can an aircraft fly 1000ft below another and radar think it one plane if one of them ha
71 Post contains links bajamatic : http://mh370shadow.com/
72 ranold76 : I have a quick question...... and I have not seen it asked yet... . Could it be possible for someone to hack/modify the electronics of an aircraft's t
73 Finn350 : At first I thought that the NYT article cannot possibly be accurate. However, I now believe it to be factually accurate. The reason for my belief is
74 seatran : Does anyone know if the authorities have plotted the radii from each of the hourly pings? This could be helpful. If the distances are getting shorter
75 7BOEING7 : It would make excellent movie material but in real life would be almost impossible to pull off, especially in total darkness. Having done several air
76 bajamatic : Does anyone know if this procedure can be practiced in FSX?
77 Finn350 : Would it be possible that ADS-C information got send through ACARS as part of the engine health reports? Or if ADS-C information was sent to SITA (or
78 Trin : Thank you both. A little sanity injection here and there makes so much difference.
79 rcair1 : I believe Maldives is in range - just - but it is totally inconsistent with SATCOM. The Maldives report is new - not confirmed or debunked - so I thi
80 kevinkevin : I expect if you've been a pilot for a long time and you're a very high skilled pilot it possible isn't that hard. If you knew SQ68's exact route. If
81 rcair1 : This does not seem consistent with the Rolls Royce page which states that the ACMS (Aircraft Condition Monitoring Systems) which is used to gather th
82 savethequads : What I don't get. and why I don't subscribe to the hijack or suicide theory 1. If he's going to commit suicide and dump the plane in the Indian Ocean
83 FltAdmiralRitt : What about an explosion in the luggage compartment, exposing the Electronics bay to the atmosphere. Not an attack per se, but just a foolish passenger
84 aseem : It is being said that the flight management system could have been programmed to turn west, while it was on the ground. If so, why couldn't the pilots
85 hivue : That's why I think it's important to keep considering the possibility that this FMS-was-reprogrammed theory could be strictly a result simply of thei
86 hivue : Not likely as the SATCOM ping data does not ever pinpoint the location of the aircraft.
87 hivue : And "we didn't know after all."
88 capri : it doesn't have to be specifically SQ68 or KL836, maybe they tried with others and failed until they hooked with who ever showed up which explains man
89 chumley : I apologize if this has been asked before, but have MH or KUL officials provided definite information as to the amount of fuel loaded prior to the fli
90 kevinkevin : If there was an explosion, other aircraft in the vicinity would've noticed. There were two aircraft in the vicinity at the time of MH370 turn back. B
91 CaptainKramer : Thanks rc135x for your insightful reply posted in part 33 reply 164, regarding MH370 shadowing SQ68. Sorry for the late reply, I was catching some ZZZ
92 texdravid : Indian radar is up to date, but manning the radars 24/7 is another story. I would think that Indian radar activity and its alertness would be high in
93 DJM18 : Finn350 - Hopefully we can get confirmation on this as it would be quite literally a smoking gun that would completely invalidate the mechanical fail
94 capri : I raised this question earlier in the thread but no one elaborate, no one for sure that this flight was double fuled and there is only 1 record and t
95 747megatop : The fact that 238 people (minus the nut who did this) are missing is grim. But, i shudder at the thought that this could have been an A 380; we would
96 kevinkevin : There would be - enough for KUL-PEK - enough for safe diversion - plus reserve KUL-PEK 2,400nm 5.5hrs DLC possible alternate - 90min extra fuel 30/45
97 DJM18 : If your transponder is turned off you are blind to TCAS, since MH370 had its transponder turned off then SQ68 would NOT be able to see MH370 but MH37
98 flyingturtle : I remember this video. It wasn't an air crash documentary, it was a FAA research flight. But for the hell of it, I can't find it right now... David
99 kevinkevin : So Keith's theory still stands plausible then. If this was methodically planned, anything is possible. Would the pilots be able to get hold of SQ68's
100 capri : It's all about the culture, you guys keep thinking this USA or UK, if the captain stared or yelled at aground crew and told them we are switching des
101 EC135 : Any possibility for refueling the a/c when flying low? If so, on what locations could this has happened unnoticed? Would there have been any refueling
102 Post contains links jetwet1 : As we know, the search function on this site sucks, always has and probably always will. I type this because at this point I am guessing somebody alre
103 na : Are you seriously asking this? Definitely not possible. MH370 will certainly lead to some general changes. I think its important that transponders an
104 tomlee : Except inmarsat is based in the UK and was the source for the satcom ping data which is confirmed by more than just the Malaysian authorities. Unless
105 brilondon : You mean like military aircraft do? Commercial aircraft cannot refuel in the air as they don't have the receiving nozzle from a tanker and I think th
106 Kaiarahi : Not publicly, but presumably the SATCOM ping arcs took into account the fuel upload. If they'd uploaded significantly more fuel, the search area woul
107 Mouldypete : This is very interesting. There is one thing (among others) which has been a mental 'tic' in my mind for a few days now. In a press conference (pc) t
108 tomlee : That still doesn't stop people from turning them off by the circuit breakers and adding independent power to ACARS+Transponder would require independ
109 Kaiarahi : Until the first transponder-generated fire. Not going to happen.
110 BackSeater : The so-called corridors that are supposed to comprise the last estimated MH370 position have now led to the creation of the 14 400x400nm search areas.
111 tomlee : No there are limits to the arcs the inmarsat constellation provides another bound as if it flew so far as to leave IORs coverage or enter say PORs or
112 Post contains links flyenthu : How is NYT determining that someone changed flight plan in cockpit? How can this be confirmed? I am hearing about this in several media outlets. http:
113 David L : And on the last Satcom ping. Even if true, the quantity actually loaded would still be known. Not unusual, according to others who regularly operate
114 7BOEING7 : It doesn't work that easily, it's a big sky out there. With the transponder off, TCAS doesn't work.
115 Kaiarahi : Because the International Convention on Civil Aviation explicitly requires that all public communications be through the investigating authority. You
116 tomlee : Which is why they should just use the already always on ELT to provide the always on the ready tracking beacon. Even now pilots can only turn it on o
117 iberiadc852 : The Maldives sight is "totally consistent" with other aircrafts flying low IN OTHER DIRECTIONS trying for sighting help, after having told of the mis
118 na : Why should there be a fire if it cant be switched off manually? And even if so, it only requires a fix for that possibility. That said, I dont want t
119 sovietjet : In that case the satellite would be getting pings from two places. Don't think this would work.
120 EC135 : I of course don't speak from an international Airport, I thought of a remote place, plain and long enough for a 777 to land, being refueld by truck, a
121 gatorman96 : This would never happen, regardless of the culture, but you can be sure that the fueling company would document any extra fuel that was loaded onto a
122 tomlee : Well given an improperly installed ELT battery can catch fire I don't think we need to go around installing batteries and hooking things to every bus
123 zeke : Male airport is a single runway, without any real taxiways, when larger aircraft land, there normally have to go to the end to the turning node of ma
124 tomlee : Yeah I highly doubt a yelling captain could yell hard enough to make the fuel transfer amount inaccurate on the pump. (if anything the actual amount
125 Kaiarahi : Same reason you have circuit breakers in your house that can be switched manually when the dishwasher / fridge / washing machine / dryer / ac / furna
126 BackSeater : Of course. But why wouldn't Malaysia publish more satcom data to buttress their plan if that data is so convincing?
127 zanl188 : Or they could strap on, or modify a fairing or access panel to carry, one of those solar powered wildlife trackers. Reliable, self powered, can't be
128 CaptainKramer : This theory gets my vote, my only reservation, historically, how many landing gear fires have been extinguished while in flight? The fire would have
129 BackSeater : If a "mastermid" was smart enough to build a crude but sufficient clone to respond to simple supervisory handshake, I think that they might also find
130 DeltaMD90 : You realize pilots can just dump the nose and kill everyone... do we need measures in place from the pilots cutting an engine? Depressurizing the air
131 tomlee : Well that pretty much describes an ELT which already is installed on planes (It doesn't have solar power but 24 hours at -40C is plenty enough batter
132 CO953 : I am talking off the cuff here, and don't really know what I'm talking about, but don't US military pilots do this all the time when refueling? Seems
133 tomlee : Oh my, this is getting ridiculous. If they somehow copied the unique identifier from the modem (Which is hard coded) and had the exact timing so that
134 tomlee : Twitch plays airplane pilot. (Would not want to be on that plane) and in all seriousness there has to be some level of trust between parties and due
135 Kaiarahi : Proprietary, maybe. There are competing satellite providers. And, anyway, why would they pander to the mindless speculation on these threads and in t
136 IADCA : This theory gets no credence from me because it's (a) inconsistent with the satellite data and (b) he gets basic facts wrong in his discussion of his
137 capri : were there any reports or news or anyone checked out the Russian and 2 Ukrainian passengers on board???[Edited 2014-03-18 16:34:04]
138 dragon-wings : They did a live interview with someone from the US Navy who is searching for the plane and he said that the southern area has hardly been searched at
139 Post contains links Bronwyn : Forgive if already posted. Thailand finally shares radar of unidentified a/c. http://news.yahoo.com/thailand-gives...-10-days-plane-lost-124915659.htm
140 CaptainKramer : I not sure if your read my original post in part 33 (Reply 114), to which rc135x was replying. I was speculating about the possible turbulance, among
141 BackSeater : A number of modems in all the right places? Well if you know the raw data from the other pings, please share it with us. I have not seen any. Remembe
142 Post contains links capri : I read an alarming story http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/articl...fficking-camp-may-face-deportation "These people will refuse to acknowledge Chinese ci
143 Post contains links Bronwyn : And once again, forgive if already posted - I think I'm up to date on everything and I personally think it is prob in the bottom of the Indian Ocean b
144 CO953 : Thanks for the context! I knew you knew that about the military tankers. I just assumed that someone had told you that MH370 could not have been shad
145 dragon6172 : The only report is of the last handshake. However, they allude to their being others that help corroborate radar data. If someone "cloned" the system
146 tomlee : The final position includes the previous to narrow the estimate. If the pings started showing up in AOR-E, AOR-W, POR (they would be scratching their
147 BackSeater : I have just been asking for now several days: what "corridors" can be derived from the earlier pings, particularly the one approximately 4-5 hrs afte
148 Post contains links TheWipp : So, unannounced landings seem to have happened before? Boeing 737 in PNG in this case: http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014...you-never-heard-about-24
149 affirmative : Isn't CoCo islands in the area that are being searched? Or at least in the general direction. The Airport there seemed quite desolate and no immediate
150 seatran : Yes, military pilots do this all the time behind KC-135 and KC-10 aircraft. The Navy also does it behind smaller aircraft. Virtually all major weapon
151 tomlee : There is no point in the older pings other than they corroborate other known information all that matters is where the plane last was and the last pi
152 hivue : I think they are only "secret" to the extent that they don't exist in the SATCOM data. A "ping" at a particular point in time yields a set(s) of poss
153 Starlionblue : The Maldives has quite a few resorts, but in the grand scheme of things it is mostly empty islands with lots of ocean in between. Definitely not "the
154 tomlee : Maybe because commercial flights might land at Gan eventually as they are looking to become the second international airport for the islands. The are
155 nm2582 : regarding rendezvous with another aircraft at night...I think a little ingenuity could go a long way. I think it could be done without any additional
156 iberiadc852 : Forgive me, because I don't know how the SATCOM signals work. When can the SATCOM signals be detected?. What does it depend on? Could be disabled by t
157 valleyflyer : Why does everyone argue a fire is the only explanation of a malfunction? Airbus had tons of problems with computer issues where screens where going bl
158 Post contains links Rearviewmirror : Hi all... Been following the discussion on the forum for a while now and was finally motivated to join to share a piece of news I haven't seen discuss
159 CaptainKramer : I can appreciate your discounting his theory outright, because he failed to check facts first before publishing his theory, I just cut him some slack
160 BackSeater : Granted only the last ping really matters for SAR. But do you know the margin of error across the corridor? Were all the pings by chance in the "offi
161 laxboeingman : I am sure these two thoughts have been mentioned before, but I would like to say two things because they are important to me. 1) I think it is ridicul
162 tomlee : I'm sure inmarsat and iridium can see what websites your going to as they would be your ISP and that would definitely look strange for an airplane to
163 laxboeingman : That is a very interesting thought and one that I did not think of. It is probable, but would that have caused the transponders to be turned off one
164 hivue : Because if those words were said after ACARS was disabled, it would suggest that whoever said those words was in on the hijacking of the plane. Of co
165 laxboeingman : OK, thank you. I thought they were listening for tone of voice or something like that. That is also why I find it frustrating that they are trying to
166 capri : that plane is flying and if you look closely it's way above ground, there are numerous like those on googles pictures flying
167 iberiadc852 : Ok. Thanks
168 Starlionblue : Of course a major flight control system or instrumentation malfunction might be the explanation, but apart perhaps from fire, this seems exceedingly
169 tomlee : No it isn't interesting because it would just draw a big cake slice between the last known radar position and the other areas. There isn't any point
170 hivue : I think many of us are frustrated by the confusing ACARS shutdown information. The Malay PM at first said it definitely was shut down before the "all
171 Lindenwold : Investigators thought the ACARS was disabled before the pilots final words. IMO the two words you're referring to is no longer relevant since new inf
172 Post contains images hivue : Yeah. What a scary thought.
173 hivue : Source?
174 Post contains links twincessna340a : FWIW Les Abend (a check 777 captain at AA and author of "Flying"'s 'Jumpseat' column) doesn't have detailed knowledge of the E/E bay. http://www.flyin
175 Rearviewmirror : Yup, I didn't mean "it's crashed, there it is" more, were any other 777-200s flying over South Andaman at that time? And also, does it look close eno
176 capri : I just want to bring this up, didn't see anyone gave it a thought, what if were deportees that didn't want to go back and attacked flight and they ra
177 Tapir : The fuel qty was stated by MAS/DCA . What if that's not correct?
178 laxboeingman : CNN was still talking about it last night, which is why I brought it up. [quote=hivue,reply=170]I think many of us are frustrated by the confusing AC
179 valleyflyer : But aren't the backup instruments on the 777 glass and not physical? The Airbus issues mostly happened when it was daytime and nice weather, they cou
180 BackSeater : Ok, I give up. I guess I am just more curious than you are.
181 laxboeingman : Don't give up. We are all putting out new ideas and then discussing them in addition to discussing/adding on to ideas that have already been put out
182 hivue : Glass is a physical substance (the last time I checked).
183 capri : After 12 days nothing is far fetched
184 spacecadet : So what? It's independent of the main instrumentation. You're saying that two major power systems failed simultaneously *and* independently, by chanc
185 Starlionblue : The backups are glass on most modern airliners, but that's just the display. A screen is actually much more reliable than a mechanical dial, which is
186 laxboeingman : I agree, anything is still possible. As was mentioned multiples times in one of the earlier parts, this keeps getting crazier.
187 suseJ772 : With out ADS-B (which they might have had a portable one so that isn't even confirmed), I think it is easier to spot aircraft at night due to the lig
188 N328KF : In case you've been living in an avgeek bubble, "glass cockpit" means electronic instrumentation.[Edited 2014-03-18 17:50:45]
189 hivue : Between 01:07L and 01:37L.
190 hivue : What's not physical about that?
191 laxboeingman : Thank you. I should have said no exact idea.
192 N328KF : It's just an expression, OK? Glass meaning the CRT, and then LCD screens.
193 laxboeingman : That is my problem with a fire theory as well. I would think that we would have seen burned debris by now.
194 Starlionblue : Because glass instrumentation does not have physical dials. The information display is "insubstantial" if you will, as opposed to solid dials. Tradit
195 Post contains links flyingjhawk : Long time lurker, extremely infrequent poster. So I am not sure if this link has been posted, and I profusely apologize if it has, but I ran across th
196 Post contains links Tapir : or at least a few mangosteens. http://english.astroawani.com/videos...main-bulk-in-the-mh370-cargo-27768 Is it normal to carry that many fruits in a
197 Starlionblue : This was debunked a couple of thousand posts ago. The airworthiness directive does not apply to this aircraft as it does not have this type of antenn
198 osloflyer : This mystery baffles me, but I got a couple of questions. 1. Where did the aircraft come in from, prior segment to this flight ? 2. Can the known rada
199 capri : I read many threads ago that initial climb was heavier for a PEK weight, the airplane came from HKG
200 imagoagnitio : not sure about Mangosteens, but Banana's can be extremely volatile whilst ripening. over 20 years ago in my insurance days, we had a ripening shed ex
201 BG777300ER : https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13cv1gohsmbv5jmy221vrfyiz3vdhbop04 interesting point, not sure if it has been posted
202 flyingjhawk : Yeah. It's hard to keep up with these thousands upon thousands of posts. I figured it would be quicker for someone to instantaneously correct me. I'l
203 Lindenwold : wait, the jet was turned around before the "good night" message? when did this come out?
204 CaptainKramer : This is a question for any Military Pilots or Tanker Pilots out there. From your experience, how difficult is it to rendesvous with a Military tanker,
205 KIAS : I dare say the vast majority of people operating/maintaing heavy iron will agree it's still a valid possibility. People who are claiming that it's ab
206 Post contains images CaptainKramer : I've never ever seen a Primate explode, so I'm ruling out exploding banana scenario for now. Edit : Add Smile![Edited 2014-03-18 18:16:08] Edit : Adde
207 Post contains links Starlionblue : HKG, and KUL before that. No. Very much in theory. However it seems rather much "direct to DVD action movie". No worries. However I would urge you to
208 hivue : Where did you see that?
209 rampart : Yes. It was found to be oil or fuel from a ship. -Rampart
210 flyingjhawk : Yeah, I find this scenario highly unlikely. If MH370 was delayed for some reason wouldn't it make that rendezvous extremely difficult if not impossib
211 capri : some people used fr24 and flightaware and from the graph said that plane initial climb was slower that it should be for a PEK flight weight
212 Post contains images imagoagnitio : what? Primate
213 Post contains links Lindenwold : cnn and fox said it turned around 12 mins before the final message, "Goodnight". sorry, they said it was programmed to do the u-turn 12 mins prior to
214 Post contains images twincessna340a : Could be all the mangosteens
215 Starlionblue : That seems like an extremely dodgy conclusion based on unverified data that is known to frequently be inaccurate. For example, it could be an ATC res
216 hivue : But that's before the transponder went dead. That would have rung some bells with Singapore SSR, right?
217 capri : talking about mangosteens, do they need dry ice????
218 tomlee : Not sure how that has anything to do with being curious. I specifically said, There is a difference between being curious and rampant unfounded specu
219 Tapir : It is categorized as Ethylene-emitting fruit. One more theory - exploding mangosteen?
220 hivue : Wow. Now that's interesting.
221 hivue : Or could it just be the NBC "source" just making a WAG?
222 capri : I raised 2 theories, have not seen given any thoughts 1. instead of pilot suicide, how about pax(s) suicide, i.e deportees to China? 2. no one and no
223 rickabone : So if the new timeline is correct and the FMS was reprogrammed for the turn prior to the last ACARS transmission and prior to it being shut off it loo
224 imagoagnitio : not sure about dry ice...BUT Mangosteens are the only fruit banned from airline cabins, because of it's overwhelming and foul smell. It has been desc
225 65Mustang : I originally started this as a short post but ended up with one a little longer than intended. Reading a lot of the previous post has fostered a few q
226 Post contains links Tapir : Worse than durians? Anyway, new theory from dailymail pointing to hidden explosive device in the mangosteen. http://malaysia-chronicle.com/index....c
227 CaptainKramer : Just free associating. It's 1.30am, I'm signing off for now.
228 iberiadc852 : Have you checked in some flight tracker that they didn't have other posible "wagons" in similar routes to cling to? (I haven't, but given how well th
229 DeltaMD90 : "How?" is the big question. Also, I doubt a bunch of asylum seekers would just decide to kill a bunch of random innocent, people How would this furth
230 rcair1 : Can I recommend you read the sanity checks - current one These questions and just a few more are discussed there
231 imagoagnitio : i've always thought of them the same durians/mangosteens...anyway they both smell bloody horrible and stain skin and clothes. if one was squashed dur
232 zeke : Think you mean Durian. Mangosteen is small like a apple with a passion fruit color, Durian is big green and looks prickly, about the size of rockmelo
233 JAAlbert : So many theories and speculation that seem to defy common sense. Even if a fire started, I would imagine that ACARS would have documented something, h
234 Post contains links tomlee : It would help stop all this crazy speculation if they someone released the already transmitted in the clear ACARS data (they should start adding ACAR
235 tomlee : Yeah I believe the saying is, durian smells like hell tastes like heaven (Still can't stand the smell and it really can soak into everything even nea
236 gatorman96 : I can assure you that every passenger on MH370 has had their background checked, re-checked, and checked again by a multitude of intel agencies from
237 Starlionblue : There are "company routes" containing multiple waypoints can be selected. If memory serves you can also save routes up to a point. You can save alter
238 Post contains links capri : if you read the article i posted earlier has different views, they may have no chance surviving anyway in China and 2nd they might avenge Malaysia th
239 hivue : The arcs are just sets of points on the earth's surface which are below all the possible places in the air the plane could have been at 08:11L (it's
240 jelliesR : I think you are confusing mangosteen and Durian. Durian is the one with the strong smell. Mangosteens are fine They are often in tropical fruit welcom
241 Tapir : Correct. Durian doesn't stain.
242 tomlee : Just because you can fly to the moon doesn't mean you can break physics. The flight computer can be hacked if you could hack it in the first place. T
243 Starlionblue : No. For TCAS to work you need the transponder to be on. However as has been suggested you could use a laptop with a USB receiver for ADS-B signals.
244 gatorman96 : With all due respect to Somali pirates, I'm willing to bet that not one of them have ever set foot on an aircraft, let alone own a passport. Why bran
245 Post contains links Tapir : Could MH370 have flown on autopilot after pilots passed out? http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...-autopilot-after-pilots-passed-out
246 jelliesR : The Maldives report sounds very peculiar. the plane was low and loud. 9/11 was loud as well, because they were travelling too fast for low altitude. T
247 Tapir : Not if everyone unconscious.
248 jelliesR : You never landed in an airport and your phone gets sent a text from the local carrier? mine does all the time. I don't have to do anything, it handsh
249 jcxroberts : We know almost nothing, including if the radar pings in Malaysia were the plane or even accurate. After all, it appears the climb to 45,000 was a fals
250 tomlee : Technically a phone doesn't need a person to be conscious to register on a GSM network it just needs to be on and compatible with the network which m
251 tomlee : The Malaysians gave the radar data to various countries and even if the altitude data might not be accurate the position info is probably good enough
252 Tapir : Yes. I was always thinking of someone making a call.
253 sovietjet : One last CVR question and I'm sorry if it was asked before. Can the CVR and FDR be turned off in flight?
254 tomlee : Almost any system can be turned off so yes you can turn off a CVR/FDR. If it has RIPS (Recorder independent power system) equipped it will still reco
255 7BOEING7 : Yes. And hypoxia is a very painless death -- you just drift off into oblivion. You don't even know you're dying.
256 jcxroberts : Not only that , the sighting and described southerly path over the lower Maldives puts the plane right on top of Diego Garcia in a few hours.
257 tomlee : Carbon monoxide could also cause the same thing.
258 PHX787 : CNN and FOX said that the plane turned about 12 minutes before the final message. The radar returns visible on FR24 are time delayed, depending on whe
259 jcxroberts : Well they were so definite abut it a few days ago and now are not. Also, they backtracked when ACARS was 'turned off'. I don't think they know much,
260 ChrisNH : This is HUGE. The plane made its supposedly 'forbidden' re-direct while the cockpit crew (and, presumably, the plane) were both OK.
261 gatorman96 : Heard the same for Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Diego Garcia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, "insert country here." Wake me up when
262 hivue : Not correct. A turn was entered in the FMS 12 min before final voice contact but not executed then.
263 hivue : Atlantis. Brigadoon. Shangri La.
264 gatorman96 : I'm starting to subscribe to the theory that the plane launched itself into lower orbit
265 PHX787 : Now I am also receiving conflicting reports from both CNN, FOX, and every other news source saying that they cannot confirm that the turn was compute
266 coolian2 : I reckon they found the lost city of gold.
267 Lindenwold : cnn just confirmed it for whatever that is worth.
268 PHX787 : The problem is how the heck did they confirm it? IMHO You can't confirm s**t until you find the damn thing.
269 ChrisNH : "Entered into the FMS" or "executed"...what difference does it make? The plane should have gone straight and instead went left...and a calm, unconcer
270 chaseus1 : CNN headline just says turn was programmed before last voice contact. Not that the turn was made then.[Edited 2014-03-18 19:35:30]
271 hivue : This was before the transponder went dead. If it was executed at that time then Singapore SSR was asleep. Not likely.
272 tomlee : In space of course.
273 wjcandee : In fact, there are circumstances in which you are supposed to pull the breaker on the CVR so it doesn't overwrite what would have been of interest to
274 tomlee : They already gave their radar data to the US authorities so if they think it is good enough to do ops in the southern area it isn't dependent on the
275 seatran : Difficult but not impossible. In my opinion, it would be unlikely that a crew who had never accomplished a rendezvous before could successfully accom
276 7BOEING7 : And where is that breaker?
277 Post contains links imagoagnitio : Maldives also receives the following scheduled and charter flights...take your pick of those with red stripes (that might look like a 'jumbo' to a non
278 seatran : It doesn't necessarily mean anything about the pilot who said it that he was "calm" and "unconcerned". Sometimes you get complacent up there. Most pi
279 LTC8K6 : IIRC, the actual turn would be reported by ACARS, not the data entry. So if ACARS reported the turn, then the turn occurred before ACARS was disabled.
280 AustinALlison : True, but the distance from the main airport to the site of the spotting is well over 100 miles. Doubtful a jumbo from Male (the capital) would be th
281 tomlee : Not to mention I thought they only subscribed to engine health reporting. Doesn't it cost money even over VHF for each ACARS message or is it not rea
282 tomlee : Maybe some captain wanted to model themselves after a certain cruise ship captain and do a low altitude fly out. Although I can't imagine the local A
283 fooflyboy : From prior threads... [unknown]If a certain terrorist group will "steal" a plane they will use it right away (9/11). IADCA: I'm not convinced that who
284 AustinALlison : I re-read the article, and the distance is more like 100 miles. Still quite a distance, but not the 300 I previously said.
285 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : Hi All, This thread has gotten quite long and Part 36 was created. It can be found here MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 (
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