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CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 4)  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 64968 times:
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CSeries - Flight Testing And Production Thread (Part 3) (by SA7700 Jan 23 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineQuantos From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 64120 times:

Flight test update from Rob Dewar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vynMPP6pD-Y

User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 64049 times:

Quoting Quantos (Reply 1):

I have got to say, visually the airplane is beautiful. The nose really looks like that of a biz jet than an airliner.
As expected the public updates are a little skinny on details and nothing new for any one that follows the program. I am just waiting to hear if FTV3 is getting the full FBW version now or not.


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63338 times:

Interesting update here:
http://airinsight.com/2014/03/21/bom...er-investor-day-aerospace-summary/

Quote:
During the Q&A session, Guy clarified that the fly-by-wire system has indeed been operating on the aircraft, and that direct mode is used for flight testing because the “normal” mode, which prohibits certain actions by pilots, would, for example not permit the stall and unusual attitude tests that are currently being completed. He emphasized that normal mode is installed and running on CIASTA, the iron-bird test machine, and will be fully installed on the test fleet soon to enable testing of the normal mode, once the other required tests are completed. With direct mode, the test pilot is in full control of the aircraft, without the normal mode restrictions in place.

Some great slides, too.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63334 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 2):
I have got to say, visually the airplane is beautiful

I agree, the C Series and A350 are sharp looking aircraft. Hoping UA will order the C-series to replace their former 735s and 733s.



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User currently offlineSPQR From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 62448 times:

http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...tter-higher-speeds--479085418.html

FTV1 getting sensors installed for high speed flutter testing.


User currently onlinemastermis From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 61444 times:

Looks like the Porter order may in jeopardy, although I don't think anyone ever thought this was definite win for Bombardier.

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal..._and_island_airport_expansion.html

[Edited 2014-03-26 08:18:32]

User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 61214 times:

Quoting mastermis (Reply 6):
Looks like the Porter order may in jeopardy, although I don't think anyone ever thought this was definite win for Bombardier.


I confess that I wince when I hear the media describe the expansion idea as something backed by Mayor Ford (he is not the only one - but opponents go out of their way to associate the idea with Ford's name, as proof that this is a bad idea).

As for the actual vote yesterday... this has always been very political, and there is a municipal election coming. So enter Ford who (with his typical subtlety) tries to ram a vote through before it is ready, so that he can make "campaign style speech" (to quote the article) proving that he is against "red tape".

And we can expect more rhetoric on this issue in the coming weeks and months. Two days ago, the local radio coverage had a councilor on who was explaining why the expansion was already dead, no chance, destined to fail, widespread opposition, council was going to kill it, etc...

What happened yesterday is a cautious step forward. The City is proceeding with the necessary studies (including environmental review, traffic study etc), which are real concerns that need to be dealt with. Note that the article also quotes one of the real proponents of the expansion (the deputy Mayor) who opposed Ford's motion. He knows fully well that the proposal has no chance of passing council until the work has been done.

And in many ways it is best if the decision is delayed until after the rhetoric of the upcoming election passes.


User currently offlineplanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6152 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 61114 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 7):
And in many ways it is best if the decision is delayed until after the rhetoric of the upcoming election passes.

Just to state the obvious, the delay does throw a further wrench into Porter's attempted efforts to go public and allow the initial investors to cash out.



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User currently offlineQuantos From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 60900 times:

I just saw FTV1 fly low over my house; first time I've actually seen it for real! I must say, I saw it more than I heard it. This thing is crazy silent.

Also, there was a NOTAM no-fly zone over YMX today. FTV2 flew three times (including a ~1h30 flight and two under ten minutes short hops), while FTV1 flew once.


User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 60779 times:

WIsh I was there with you Quantos! How is the noise level compared to a typical turboprop?


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User currently offlineQuantos From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 60382 times:

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 10):
WIsh I was there with you Quantos! How is the noise level compared to a typical turboprop?

I can't be certain in comparison to a turboprop (not many flying around YMX), but what struck me the most is the pitch, especially in comparison to other turbofans, but probably also in comparison to turboprops. It's much lower than I thought it would be. That alone is a game changer in my opinion.


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 59448 times:

Is there any chance that BBD would send one of the C-series FTV's maybe FTV4 to the EAA Airventure in OSH this year since it is and would still be an Experimental Aircraft at the time of the show. After all Boeing sent the 788 and Airbus the A380 to the show, I think it would be a perfect time for BBD to show off the plane to the flying public. What do you readers think?


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently onlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 671 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 months 6 days ago) and read 59149 times:

A CS100 will be at FARN 14 for sure (confirmed by BBD), maybe Oshkosh too.

User currently offlineWingtip1005 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Mar 2014, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 58757 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 13):
A CS100 will be at FARN 14 for sure

Fingers crossed I can get to FARN and see it again! I was on a several working parties to Mirabel from Belfast and got to see the final product and first flight.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 58595 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 13):

Oshkosh is pretty close to the flightpath from Wichita to Montreal. A few years ago I saw the 787 at Oshkosh....it was a huge draw.



What the...?
User currently offlinejalarner From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 58054 times:

http://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2014/3/31/2009/

Nothing too new in the article, but an interesting read with Google translate.

Jamie



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User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 months 18 hours ago) and read 56837 times:

FTV2 was transferred yesterday to McKinley Climatic Laboratory for all-weather tests.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11391 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (5 months 18 hours ago) and read 56825 times:

Busy times for the Florida laboratory. First the 787-9, now the CSeries and next month the A350.


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User currently offlineQuantos From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 months 14 hours ago) and read 56611 times:

Sylvain Faust is reporting that FTV1 landed today using normal FBW mode. I must say I'm a bit lost concerning the status of normal FBW flights, though.

User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 months 8 hours ago) and read 56320 times:

Quoting Quantos (Reply 19):
I must say I'm a bit lost concerning the status of normal FBW flights, though.

Is that you are concerned or is Faust is concerned? And if it is your personally why are you concerned?

[Edited 2014-04-04 21:33:09]


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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 55964 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 20):
Quoting Quantos (Reply 19):
I must say I'm a bit lost concerning the status of normal FBW flights, though.


Is that you are concerned or is Faust is concerned? And if it is your personally why are you concerned?

I read the comment differently, i.e., that he "is lost REGARDING the status of normal FBW flights", not that he is "concerned"....

And I see what Quants means - there has been very little posted here over the last few days. I presume (hope???) that this is a because it is no longer newsworthy and novel that a CSeries FTV is actually flying, and NOT because they have been parked.

Does anyone have an update regarding the status of the test program (including the extent to which normal FBW has been used)?


User currently offlineargonaught From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 55230 times:

How many active FTV's do we have now?

User currently offlineQuantos From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 55127 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 21):
I read the comment differently, i.e., that he "is lost REGARDING the status of normal FBW flights", not that he is "concerned"....

And I see what Quants means - there has been very little posted here over the last few days. I presume (hope???) that this is a because it is no longer newsworthy and novel that a CSeries FTV is actually flying, and NOT because they have been parked.

Exactly, I just haven't followed the news concerning the test flights this past few weeks, so I was a bit lost as they have in fact flown quite a bit lately. It's hard to keep track of it all with multiple FTVs.

Quoting argonaught (Reply 22):

How many active FTV's do we have now?

As for the status of the flights:

FTV1: Back in Mirabel, last flown yesterday for its 50th flight, which was 3h38 long. It was CSeries' 81st flight total. From what Sylvain Faust reports, it has starting flying at least partially (bit unclear on that front) in normal mode.
FTV2: Flew last week to McKinley Climatic Laboratory for temperature testing.
FTV3: In Wichita, hasn't flown a whole lot lately, as far as I know. I believe that both FTV1 and FTV2 did have a maintenance performed while in Wichita, which grounded both planes for some time. Perhaps it is undergoing the same maintenance now.
FTV4: Has been seen online at Mirabel. First flight is a bit of an unknown. Sylvain Faust believes it should be 2nd or 3rd week of April (grain of salt alert there).


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11391 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 54508 times:

FTV2 at the McKinley Climatic Laboratory in Florida:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkpchICCcAAW8kg.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status/453276436657238016



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25 Post contains links KarelXWB : It seems FTV4 is alive. http://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status/454019325804826624
26 Post contains links KarelXWB : Patrick Cardinal made a nice shot of FTV4: http://www.flickr.com/photos/patcard/13803902314/ Bombardier also published a set photos of FTV2 in Florida
27 YYZYYT : ironic: i-ro-nic [ayh-ron-ik], adv: the opposite of what was intended or expected, incongruous; an example of human folly or inconsistency. eg. FTV2,
28 Post contains links Quantos : FTV1 apparently now has flutter sensors on its wings and stabilizers: http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...ently-added-flutter-515483895.html
29 Post contains images Revelation : I am definitely left of center politically, but it has to be said that only the US government would put a cold climate lab in Florida!
30 Quantos : To be fair, correct me someone if I'm wrong, but McKinley can both lower temperature as well as increase it dramatically. Either way, one of the two w
31 Fridgeguy : I have happily been following C Series flight tests on flightradar 24 using callsignes BBA 501 BBa502 and so on, but have not been able to pick any of
32 Quantos : You're not alone; I haven't been able to see them either. Perhaps they've changed something.
33 YXwatcherMKE : Agreed!!! I had great connection like "Fridgeguy" was using the bba501, bba502 & bba503 I had 5 or 6 flights for 502 and 3 for 501 & 503 then
34 BoeingVista : So are we moving towards aceptence that flutter has been an issue with the C-Series? Seven months on from first flight and still investigating flutte
35 JoeCanuck : Testing for flutter doesn't necessarily indicate flutter problems. It's still early in the program gauging by flight hours. The planes total less tha
36 Paolo92 : Hi guys, little update on flight testing: all FTVs (except FTV4) are no longer seen on websites like flightradar24 because Bombardier disabled the GPS
37 JoeCanuck : I thought the tracking was based on ATC radar and transponder signals, not gps.
38 Aircellist : I'd guess the comparison with the clockwork A350 was too hard to bear…
39 Paolo92 : From what I understood, websites like flightradar24 obtain data from private users around the world, which have so-called "ADS-B receivers". These st
40 BoeingVista : Pretty sure the gear doors full flaps flutter problem showed up early on. I hear you about flight hours but the FT program has been on going for 7 mo
41 StTim : Won't disabling the GPS disable the anti collision functions (TCAS?)?
42 JoeCanuck : Flutter can't be too bad...FTV1 is conducting flights above 40,000' I'd think that if there were serious flutter issues with the CSeries, it would ha
43 mad99 : They had a door seal issue months ago and that kept the testing low.
44 Quantos : I don't know if we can assume there are flutter issues just because sensors have been added now. It's a bit of a stretch to make this assumption. As t
45 jalarner : Great to see the altitude increase....so what about faster speeds?
46 Post contains links Revelation : AFAIK FlightAware uses FAA data streams as a primary source, and has ADS-B as a secondary source. FR24 is much more explicit about what they use: Ref
47 Aircellist : Well… BBD are keeping their cards close to their chest, and have been doing so since the very beginning of that program.
48 SPREE34 : No. TCAS uses Mode3C replies.
49 JoeCanuck : I know google is supposed to be my friend...but it's not, more often than not, so thanks...that really clears things up for me. Finding specific, det
50 YXwatcherMKE : I just read this in an article from Flightglobal..... The other major airliner that is due to enter service this year is the Bombardier CSeries. Howev
51 JoeCanuck : They will have as many as 5 FTV's in the air by Farnborough. I find it very hard to believe that they won't be able to spare one of them for the few d
52 A5XX : The time has come, for Bombardier to show something to potential customers. Bombardier must do what it takes to get orders in. It would be a big mista
53 SSTeve : I'm beginning to picture Bombardier's commercial airplane unit as being run by cloistered engineers who expect the world to beat a path to their door
54 BoeingVista : Yes, I think that they really need to take send an airframe to Farnborough even if only for static display, if they don't they will have little chanc
55 KarelXWB : Perhaps the pilots are not comfortable flying the a/c to Farnborough?
56 TSS : I was thinking more or less the same thing. Entering the realm of speculation, maybe Bombardier encountered less flutter than anticipated during init
57 pnwtraveler : Often the underlying assumption on Anet is that broad public, or even the aviation fan population, and the professional aviation industry, or the airl
58 Aircellist : And so little news from the test flight front. Honestly, I'm quite pessimistic. Smells like deep trouble.
59 Post contains links KarelXWB : Glacial testing is completed, now setting up for hot temperatures: http://cseries.com/?gallery=nextgen-3331
60 YYZYYT : I would think that BBD would want to do a full power take off, and a few passes - if only to help create some buzz* about the engine noise... more po
61 rikkus67 : I, like every other armchair avaition watcher, am certainly curious of the lack of CSeries, however: I have to agree with pnwtraveler. With the amount
62 Post contains images planemaker : Just in case you were not aware, the "industry" is quite networked, with some people having gone from one OEM to another. I know of one engineer that
63 JoeCanuck : BBD is obviously keeping customers and potential customers informed to some degree. LH recently said they are satisfied with the progress on the prog
64 Post contains links KarelXWB : Bombardier is optimistic for new orders at Farnborough: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...es-as-aircraft-shipments-rise.html
65 travelhound : Considering the issues Boeing and Airbus had with the 787 and A380 programs respectively, a more prudent approach from BBD might represent the least
66 Post contains images Quantos : This turtle is indeed very hairy. Yuck. [Edited 2014-05-01 06:46:49]
67 Paolo92 : Bombardier released its 2014 Q1 Financial Report. It includes an undisclosed addition of 2 CS300, apparently consisting of converted options. Total CS
68 Post contains links JoeCanuck : Some good news for the program...CSeries flight envelope has been expanded to mach 0.82 and 41,000'. http://www.fliegerfaust.com Flutter must not be t
69 travelhound : I don't believe I did that. My excuse is it was late when I wrote it!!!!
70 Post contains links BoeingVista : http://www.fliegerfaust.com/engine-f...-while-in-test-flig-529580840.html Whats going on here, which engine was on fire? I'm assuming not the PW1100G
71 Post contains links miller22 : http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Pratt+Whitney+looks+into+engine+test+incident/9787709/story.html Was not a CSeries engine. That leaves the onl
72 BoeingVista : Fixed it and fitted sensors to confirm it was solved would be my guess but in any case it seems to be fixed which is good news.
73 Post contains links planemaker : Some information yesterday about UK startup Odyssey Airlines to raise funds via crowdfunding. Odyssey has 10 CS100 on "firm" order and 5 options.
74 bingo1 : Today the Motley Fool had an interesting article on BBD. It was about the company as a whole but also talked about the C-series. It pretty much said t
75 KarelXWB : IMO 200 firm orders is a good number. In the past, many jets had entered service with only half that figure. I think people are too much looking at th
76 Post contains images planemaker : Of course there are various degrees of "firm" when compared to LH, for example, who is a customer, partner and supplier. Ilyushin Finance Co. - 32 CS
77 golfradio : Seriously do we have to keep rehashing this every 20 replies in all CSeries threads? We get it that in your opinion the order book is probably only 3
78 Post contains images planemaker : Rehash every 20? It hasn't been discussed once in this thread until now... moreover, I didn't bring up the issue of "firm orders". Just simply replie
79 PlanesNTrains : To be fair, it isn't really just his opinion. Every one of those listed is in some way tenuous. While it isn't pleasant to have to discuss it in what
80 Post contains links KarelXWB : AirInsight published their April flight test update: http://airinsight.com/2014/05/01/flight-tests-update/
81 bingo1 : I don't call this replying. Order count was not being discussed at the time. I read an article the other day that mentioned that the Cseries latest d
82 argonaught : Do we know how many hours have the FTV's clocked so far? There must be some info somewhere on this forum, but it's eluding me. No info on their web pa
83 planemaker : My reply was to: it isn't a matter of getting "some cash together" but of Scope.
84 Post contains links bingo1 : Gotcha My mistake. I found the article. http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ings-inc-could-benefit-from-b.aspx
85 Post contains links KarelXWB : CSeries clears flight envelope extremes for speed, altitude: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...xtremes-for-speed-altitude-398802/
86 lightsaber : FINALLY! This is a big milestone that needed to be cleared. I hope this means an acceleration of flight testing. That and the start of testing in 'no
87 Post contains links KarelXWB : Aerial view of FTV4: http://twitter.com/MaxLandryTVA/stat...s/463656416121602049/photo/1/large
88 Post contains links planemaker : Here is the link to Odyssey's crowd funding site: Odyssey Crowd Source Not too many details but they plan to have 40 lie-flat seats in the CS100 with
89 Post contains links KarelXWB : Air Canada wants to decide on its next narrow-body order in the first half of this year. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...ries-orders-too-few-to
90 Quantos : Pretty interesting. It seems the hopes are high that AC will indeed order the CSeries: From the article... "Air Canada, which wants to decide on its
91 infiniti329 : AC is in the driver's seat for this one and I bet they know it. BBD will move mountains to get this order. After dumping some E190s on Boeing, this w
92 Post contains links planemaker : Responses from Montreal Gazette: CSeries struggles weigh on Bombardier QUOTE: As of May 1, the company had logged about 280 hours of flight tests, or
93 PlanesNTrains : Yikes. That seems somewhat low at this stage. I guess this is one program that is going to simmer and not boil. -Dave
94 Post contains links KarelXWB : FTV2 returning home from Florida: http://www.flickr.com/photos/patcard/13958429319/
95 Quantos : What's that on the engines and tail?
96 jalarner : The bottom of the photo says this...I missed it at first. "Although she looks a little worse for wear, the black paint was applied to temperature cri
97 planemaker : When BBD first announced the latest round of delays most everyone thought that they had padded the schedule because they wanted to definitively avoid
98 Quantos : Ah! Indeed, I missed that :P
99 Post contains links KarelXWB : Video of CSeries FTV2 at McKinley Laboratory, Florida: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYpgmgAmHZ4
100 Post contains images golfradio : -54 °C. I wonder if someone tried to lick the fuse
101 CRJ900 : Will the CS300 require hundreds of test hours and flights as well or can many tests used on the CS100 be transferred to the CS300 as it is a "simple s
102 queb : Only 2 flight test aircrafts for the CS300 (compare to 5 for the CS100). Performances, flutter, stall, powerplant, landing gear and brakes will be tes
103 PlanesNTrains : That seems quite pessimistic. -Dave
104 planemaker : I agree, especially at this point in time to be so aggressive in their assessment... they rated the stock a sell saying that it could fall 23%.
105 argonaught : Incidentally, that's what I have always thought. Based not so much on the pace of the CS100 testing, but rather on the EIS history of the most recent
106 Post contains links Paolo92 : According to Sylvain Faust, Pratt & Whitney is already performing a performance update on the CSeries engine. In fact, the higher thrust variant (
107 Post contains links Dash9 : A little side topic. Sylvain Faust post a link to P&W where they explain the PW1000G family. MRF, CRJ, NEO, MC-21 are listed... but the E2 is not
108 Post contains links queb : His fact sheet is not up to date: http://www.purepowerengine.com/technology.html Anyway, the PW1700 is a PW1200 and the PW1900 is a PW1500.[Edited 201
109 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : FTV1 has been equipped with an antenna. http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/466228743522893824/photo/1
110 planemaker : Bombardier Confirms Global Broadband Connectivity to be Offered as Line-fit Option on CSeries Aircraft May 13, 2014 Montréal Aerospace, Press Releas
111 Post contains links KarelXWB : A fresh CSeries program update video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGCP4lbuVRI[Edited 2014-05-13 08:48:09]
112 Post contains links KarelXWB : The decision has been taken, no CSeries plans for the moment. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...braer-jets-in-blow-to-cseries.html
113 Quantos : Yep, no planes at all in fact. That's gotta be a hit for BBD.
114 Dash9 : They are essentially postponing the decision and it still leaves a door opened for the Cseries but later down the road. While a deception it is still
115 Post contains links KarelXWB : To avoid this thread from being flooded, I created a separate thread: Air Canada To Keep 25 Embraer Jets (by KarelXWB May 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)
116 yyzyyt : True. Then again, you could also say that they are leaving the door open for the E2, down the road. With the 25 E-Jets so young, why rush? Wait for b
117 Post contains links KarelXWB : FTV4 received its flight permit. http://cseries.com/ftv4-transport-canada-awards-the-flight-permit/
118 Post contains links KarelXWB : Bombardier was present at the Regional Airline Association 2014 Conference: http://youtu.be/EQWlcR3sFHg http://youtu.be/Rc91-I5ERWA
119 Post contains links KarelXWB : FTV4 first flight is scheduled for today. http://twitter.com/Bombardier_Aero/status/468057626514034688
120 KarelXWB : And back on the ground, that was a successful first flight.
121 Post contains links KarelXWB : Press release about the first flight of FTV4: http://cseries.com/ftv4-takes-off-on-its-maiden-flight/
122 Post contains links jalarner : http://www.fliegerfaust.com/cseries-...tm_source=RebelAlerts-sylvainfaust Very interesting....Republic CEO on business with a couple minutes on the CS
123 rikkus67 : Republic CEO does state that they are concerned with the low sales volume, that's a given. Going a bit farther into the conversation however, and most
124 Quantos : We can see that the flight envelope has definitely evolved; FTV4 flew up to FL410 on its first flight.
125 rikkus67 : That's gotta be some happy making new in Montreal!
126 YYZYYT : This is a question for those who have experienced flight testing programs first hand (or are well informed from their work experience in the industry,
127 Post contains links SSTeve : It doesn't discuss "phases," but this does discuss the focus of each FTV: http://airinsight.com/2014/03/21/bom...er-investor-day-aerospace-summary/ I
128 rikkus67 : An interesting read on the Fly-by-wire system: "....During the Q&A session, Guy clarified that the fly-by-wire system has indeed been operating on
129 murf : That is how it was explained to me by someone who works for Embraer too...he said when testing the E170/190's most testing of the FBW system was in d
130 Post contains links YXwatcherMKE : I happy to see that FTV-4 has made its first flight. But, what does it mean for the flight test program? Does it just add another aircraft to the test
131 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : FTV4 will be used for performance tests.
132 Post contains links murf : This article casts a little more doubt on whether Republic will take delivery of their Cseries http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...hs-future-of-ord
133 Post contains links and images planemaker : Just In case you didn't know, there is already a thread on this topic: Republic CSeries Order In Limbo
134 Post contains links challengerdan : Bombardier put out a press release about a engine incident on FTV1 yesterday during ground runs. Any one has more info? One spotting community web pag
135 Post contains links KarelXWB : Apparently FTV1 suffered a (major) engine failure during ground tests. More details to follow. http://tinyurl.com/mkrkjeo
136 Post contains links KarelXWB : Source has been updated, says it was an uncontained engine failure, spewing debris. http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/472463988534427648
137 rikkus67 : Better on the ground without passengers, then somewhere outside of Australia...
138 challengerdan : Fleet is grounded, according to an interview from Marc Duschesne on local TV in Montreal
139 KarelXWB : Bombardier has suspended the flight test program and says there is damage to both the aircraft and the engine.
140 PlanesNTrains : That is unfortunate, though I guess that's what the testing phase is for. I hope it's fairly easy to isolate the root cause and make the needed modif
141 Finn350 : This has potential implications to A320neo testing, too, as it is practically the same engine?
142 infiniti329 : How large can P&W's bill potentially be?
143 YXwatcherMKE : If the Damage is big enough and in a critical component of the Engine then, yes the bill could be very high. But we will just have to wait and see wh
144 Post contains links KarelXWB : Pratt & Whitney and Bombardier have now removed the damaged PW1500G engine from FTV1. Analysis will start on Sunday (today). http://aviationweek.c
145 Post contains links jalarner : I found this interesting... http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...altic-lays-out-cs300-network-plans "Air Baltic is studying several cabin configurat
146 rikkus67 : I won't call it woefully...yet. Delayed, yes.
147 Post contains links airnorth : Apparently it was the low pressure turbine that failed. http://www.fliegerfaust.com/#low-pre...e-turbine-failed-in-580709328.html http://leehamnews.co
148 Post contains links rikkus67 : This was posted in Leeman news. Per the read, this was the prototype engine: "...BBD emphasized that the failure was unrelated to the gearbox, and als
149 Post contains links KarelXWB : Some positive news: Bombardier has restarted engine ground runs on the CSeries test fleet. http://cseries.com/cseries-commences-engine-runs-in-mirabel
150 Post contains links MANYUL : Disappointing to hear that it won't be making its debut at Farnborough but at least things are back in motion. Where & when will do people think i
151 Post contains links planemaker : When it rains... it pours: Bombardier lays off staff as new Learjet flight testing delayed
152 someone83 : Can't see the relevance with the CSeries
153 KarelXWB : What has that to do with the CSeries?
154 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Wow, when it rains....it pours. -Dave
155 rikkus67 : "...The affected employees, in production and operations, will be called back after Bombardier makes more progress with flight testing, she said. " (f
156 TomB : I think Bombardier is getting tight on cash. Maybe Boeing should step in and pay Bombardier $2.5 Billion for a 50% interest in the C Series program. T
157 KarelXWB : While I have no doubt the CSeries will be the best in its class, it remains to be seen how big this market is.
158 argonaught : If Boeing thought the 110-150 seater segment was a place to be, they wouldn't have discontinued their own models of similar capacity. Here is the pro
159 MIflyer12 : The 1Q14 report showed ~$2.5B in cash & equivalents and a market cap for the whole firm at only $6.8B. Boeing could wait to let things get a litt
160 queb : They have to convince the Bombardier family first, Bombardier is publicly traded but most of the voting rights (54,36%) belong to the family.
161 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G´day, I do not see this happening, for that to happen they would have to convert the CSeries to GE power i.e. CFM Leap engines. That´s another 1 bi
162 Post contains links jalarner : Not as much as you might think. Articles is a little older, and some of the newer ones are a little mixed depending on the source. At least this one
163 S75752 : I'm not sure which other thread to ask this, so... Just how far might the CSeries be capable of going? Might we be seeing it on Transcons, maybe West
164 Post contains images planemaker : That is not the reason for the delay... but people like to trot it out. The additional overwing exits are only on the CS300 and was not the reason fo
165 YXwatcherMKE : Then just exactly was the reason for the delay in the a/c first flight?
166 golfradio : But isn't that section of the fuselage common to both CS100 and the CS300 high density models?
167 JoeCanuck : Actually, the stretch to the CS300 did contribute to the first flight delay of the CS100. The overwing exits weren't the only changes required and th
168 planemaker : The main reason for the delay... and BBD was telgraphing this before their first missed deadline... is the FBW. The stretch did not... The airBaltic
169 Post contains links JoeCanuck : Uh huh...Air Baltic's original order was for the original length CS300....in July 2012, which had a maximum capacity of 145 seats. They upsized when
170 planemaker : Therefore, it should be abundantly obvious that the stretch did not delay first flight since right up to October 2012 BBD was insisting that CS100 wa
171 SSTeve : You are correct, though I have to laugh at BBD "insisting." It was and often still is more like actively avoiding any and all opportunities to say an
172 Post contains images planemaker : You can only hide so long before the truth becomes obvious to everyone. I think the delay announcement after the Paris Airshow (during which BBD "ins
173 StTim : I remember well the discussions about who would fly first Airbus with the A350 or Bombardier with the CS100. Looking back it was not even a close race
174 Post contains images planemaker : I remember well the discussions about the CS100 making it to Paris. In the end, it will end up making Paris.
175 KarelXWB : It has been 1 month since the engine incident, are there any updates?
176 JoeCanuck : I think the engines are still with Pratt in Connecticut.
177 Post contains links and images planemaker : On Friday this was published: Quite amusing is that the reporter writes that there is a "whisper" in Montreal that BBD has talked to GE.
178 JoeCanuck : I think that reporter gets his whispers from a pipe.
179 Post contains images planemaker : A "leak" in a Montreal "pipe"...
180 KarelXWB : So nothing has changed. And do you believe that? Changing the engine is 1) extremely costly 2) this would push the EIS to 2016/2017 (pylons have a lo
181 Quantos : The article does go on to say that pretty much everybody except from this guy think the idea of switching from Pratt to GE is ridiculous at this point
182 Post contains images planemaker : No change other than that two weeks ago BBD Chairmain said that flight test would probably restart by end of June and now BBD's Duchesne says that fl
183 Revelation : Right, but the article said BBD and GE have "talked seriously" and that is clearly due diligence that you'd expect BBD to be doing. Even if the act o
184 queb : The engines were re-install last week on FTV4, it will be in the coming days to FTV2. Repair is still going on FTV1, mainly in the wing dry bay at th
185 Post contains links KarelXWB : Bombardier said on Wednesday it is testing a fix for its all-new CSeries engine with Pratt & Whitney and still expects to resume flight testing in
186 Someone83 : Coming weeks, few weeks, etc.....We've heard that before for the CSeries program
187 by738 : ,,,but never any other manufacturer ?
188 Post contains links golfradio : UK bases lessor Falko has signed a letter of intent to buy 24 CS100. Order to be signed on Monday. http://airchive.com/blog/2014/07/12/uk-lessor-to-or
189 Post contains images YXwatcherMKE : Well, That is GREAT news. I am hoping that BBD will pull off a surprise and fly in one of the FTV's to Farnborough last minute. I know it's a pipe dr
190 BoeingVista : 5) It would invalidate all sales contracts Rapid restarts was what killed the T1000 in the test cell, led to an oil fire which snapped a shaft, RR ha
191 JoeCanuck : At this point, the flight schedule isn't up to Bombardier....it's up to Pratt. They can't fly, (or come clean with a new schedule), until the engines
192 Post contains links KarelXWB : Few updates from Farnborough: > Bombardier and Pratt are validating the engine modifications before resuming test flight > Assembly & power-
193 Post contains links KarelXWB : An oil system issue at the heart of the PW1500G engine was the cause for the engine incident in late May. http://twitter.com/AvWeekGuy/status/48835336
194 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Electromagnetic interference and lightning tests have been completed on FTV5. [Edited 2014-07-13 11:17:05]
195 jalarner : Does anyone know the status of FTV6? No mention of it anywhere I can recall. I would assume it is finished before 7 and the first production CS100 whi
196 Post contains links KarelXWB : Executives at aircraft engine maker Pratt & Whitney said a fault on the engines for Bombardier's CSeries planes was to do with a seal in the oil s
197 PW100 : Good news. Oil seals of bearing cavities in Hot Section area can always be tricky. Some problems only arise after many cycles (not hours) as the shut
198 Post contains links bingo1 : Another new order. 20 frames to Zhejiang Loong Airlines. Not a bad Farnborough so far considering what has all gone wrong and not even a C-series on s
199 Post contains links sharktail : Some more interesting news on the C-Series from Leeham: http://leehamnews.com/2014/07/13/far...-july-13-cseries-program-analysis/ Interesting points m
200 EaglePower83 : This issue is mere engineering child's play compared to the other stuff they're working on out in CT. BBD and Pratt still have a very good working rel
201 Post contains links EK413 : Hi All, With the current discussion at 200+ response's & slow to load for some users Part 5 has been created to continue the conversation. Part ca
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