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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 43109 times:
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 35 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory


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User currently onlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 43131 times:

I think the media is probably wrong on this one. How would they know a new flight plan was entered into the FMC before the last comm? People have speculated about ADS-C but that doesn't seem likely.


A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 43103 times:

Quoting planesmart from previous thread: Did either of the pilots spend time on a 777 simulator post the water landing in the Hudson? Did either try such a landing on the commercial simulator? Perhaps the plane is in a remote river or lagoon.

Answer: There's no way to accurately model such an event in Microsoft Flight Simulator, or in a commercial simulator for that matter.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 244):

Quoting 65Mustang (Reply 225):
Failed or successful Hijack - Somali pirates are pretty brazen.

With all due respect to Somali pirates, I'm willing to bet that not one of them have ever set foot on an aircraft, let alone own a passport. Why branch out to Malaysia to steal an aircraft when there are hundreds of massive, lumbering ships right off the coast of Somalia ripe for pirating? Makes no sense...

You're quite right. Somali pirates are, by and large, barely competent. To paraphrase one author's take, "the problem with Somali pirates is that they're neither competent nor ambitious enough. If there was one guy who knew what he was doing there, he would take over the whole operation in a few months and make it way more efficient, quickly setting himself up as dictator of the area. And then he could work on 'most favored dictator' status with the US. He would be much richer, as would his country."

Not to say other insurgent groups don't have the skillset.

But I digress...

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 269):
Quoting hivue (Reply 262):
Not correct. A turn was entered in the FMS 12 min before final voice contact but not executed then.

"Entered into the FMS" or "executed"...what difference does it make? The plane should have gone straight and instead went left...and a calm, unconcerned copilot says 'Good night?' Before they even take off, both crew members go over this stuff to cross-check for anomalies. A mis-commanded turn like this would happen hundreds of time daily all over the globe if pilots didn't cross-reference their waypoints. Yet you don't see that happening.

Planes make wrong turns all the time actually, but pilots tend to notice. And as you say, the cross-check waypoints before executing.

Quoting seatran (Reply 278):
Most pilots follow the purple line and if the purple line says to go left, they go left and don't really question it.

It's magenta. 

[Edited 2014-03-18 20:21:27]

[Edited 2014-03-18 20:21:52]

[Edited 2014-03-18 20:24:06]


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlinefooflyboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 43000 times:

---From the prior (now locked) thread---

From prior threads...

[unknown]If a certain terrorist group will "steal" a plane they will use it right away (9/11).

IADCA: I'm not convinced that whoever took it wants the plane. I think disappearing without a trace might be the point. It's a pretty powerful statement to say (by implication, of course): "We took a loaded 777 from a major airline and we made it vanish into thin air. You have no idea how we did it, and you don't even know who we are, so you have no idea if or when we might do it again.

THIS has been my pet theory for a while now. If true, the real shock would come with the disappearance of the next plane...

gatorman96: Aside from a battle over the flight controls, this could be an explanation for the sudden climb to 43-45K feet.

I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere, but let's say the hijacker decompresses the cabin. The passengers are in real trouble after a few minutes but the f/a's have their oxygen bottles. So there is an attempt on their part to break into the cockpit. To quell the commotion and to thwart this, the hijacker enters a steep climb - attempting to physically force the f/a's to the rear of the plane. (thoughts??)

virgin744: Why not steal a cargo plane? Why do it with passengers on board?

It's easy to board a passenger plane. Just buy a ticket. Besides who is going to really notice that a cargo plane is missing? It may be a news item, but that would be about it. And if your goal is terror, making over 200 people disappear is much more in line with such an evil plan.

laddb: Naturally, whoever landed at some remote airport is probably filling a boat with seat cushions and suitcases to be scattered in the middle of the Indian Ocean as a diversion.

Oh wow. Unfortunately that makes sense...


User currently offlineFirstClass From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42910 times:

Great article on the immarsat pings and possible plane locations plotted as arcs.

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/0.../15/understanding-satellite-pings/

My understanding is that the possible locations are all based on the last ping. My question is how these arcs looked like for the previous pings. Has anyone seen possible arcs for each ping prior to the last one?


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42896 times:

Posted this just as the previous thread was being locked.

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 15):
The pilot had Diego Garcia as one of his top 5 landing strips in his simulator, so for whatever reason he was aiming for this airport.

Do you have a source for this from the media?

I know when the rumor first appeared on these threads, and it has been repeated several times.

I find this hard to believe because:

1) Diego Garcia is not a challenging or difficult airport to land at - at night or daytime in FS, and even easier in the real world. It is very boring actually. Pretty much if a real world pilot can land on a 10,000 ft + runway, he can land at Diego Garcia.

2) MSFS does not model military UHF communications or military TACAN navigation aids/ systems. MSFS would not prepare a real pilot for a 'stealth' landing at a military airfield.

3) MSFS flight logging is notoriously buggy and inaccurate. Most people turn it off because it can cause OOM errors and cause the sim to crash. Even when it doesn't cause crashes, it doesn't always record landings correctly. The logging in MSFS can give misleading impressions about which airports are most frequently used.

Quoting stuyyz (Reply 15):
Coverup: It may all come down to the base commander or even the missile operator who is covering it up, and not telling his senior officer. Who knows...its a longshot theory in the first place.

There are too many people and too much internet connection activity with Diego Garcia for some think like a civilian airliner arrival or destruction to stay secret. It can't happen. Even if they shutdown the internet and telephone access - we would have heard about that on military family forums. DG is simply not that isolated in today's electronic age. And military people are not blind robots. They know right from wrong and a cover-up of something like shooting down an airliner would not be possible.


User currently onlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42811 times:

Quoting FirstClass (Reply 4):
Has anyone seen possible arcs for each ping prior to the last one?

That has not been released.



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlineTapir From Malaysia, joined Mar 2014, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42836 times:

Ok this from tomnod Facebook. It does look like a person to me.

Jennifer Cardillo Tesman maybe it's not a person from #370, but def looks like a person. Maybe from a boat..... I know it's out there but really looks like a person!!!! http://www.tomnod.com/.../cha.../mh370_indian_ocean/map/2234

Added. Check this link. http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocean/map/2234

[Edited 2014-03-18 20:36:55]

User currently onlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42746 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
Even when [MSFS] doesn't cause crashes

This is amusing out of context.



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42650 times:

Quoting Tapir (Reply 7):
Jennifer Cardillo Tesman maybe it's not a person from #370, but def looks like a person. Maybe from a boat..... I know it's out there but really looks like a person!!!! http://www.tomnod.com/.../cha.../mh3.../2234

Your link does not seem to be working.


User currently offlineTapir From Malaysia, joined Mar 2014, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42575 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 9):

Try again. About 2 cm up from the center. Zoom the page as big as possible.Looks like someone sitting on something.


User currently offlineseatran From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42419 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
Planes make wrong turns all the time actually, but pilots tend to notice. And as you say, the cross-check waypoints before executing.

This is true pilots do make wrong turns pretty frequently. Pilots may or may not notice a wrong turn. If we entered the route on the ground and cross-checked it against the ATC clearance, then it's an exceedingly rare pilot who will continue to cross-check the route. It would be easy to miss a wrong turn that was supposed to go 30 deg left instead of 30 deg right.

On an oceanic route or non-radar route with position reporting then that's a different story since you confirm the next waypoint on your position report. I'm not sure what kind of route MH 370 was on. It has been years since I've flown down in that part of the world.

What would catch most pilot's attention is a sharp turn in the purple line that is not going in the general direction where it's supposed to go or a discontinuity in the route.


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42425 times:

Quoting Tapir (Reply 10):
Try again. About 2 cm up from the center. Zoom the page as big as possible.Looks like someone sitting on something.


Okay, thanks.

Working now.

[Edited 2014-03-18 20:41:18]

User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42354 times:

Help me out here. I was flipping through the channels and saw on FOX that one of their "experts" said that someone in the cockpit can turn something off so the plane will not create a distress signal if it crashed. And that is why we have not found it. The example the "expert" gave is that if the plane had a tail strike the person can turn off the device so it will not go off.

I wasn't really paying attention so I did not hear what the device was. He said there was one in the front of the plane and one in the tail. He was not talking about the black box was he? Cause I am pretty sure you can not turn off the signal the black box makes.



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineWolger From Malaysia, joined Mar 2014, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42329 times:

Seven Somali Pirates Jailed in Malaysia -September 2, 2013 - 11:32:16 UTC
http://www.oceanuslive.org/main/viewnews.aspx?uid=00000772

Need to check the background of the convicted Somalis.


User currently offlineNW1852 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42320 times:

Maybe someone can help me remember this; not that its plausibe. I remember reading an acticle in which a computer hacker was able to access the ships onboard computer systems and alter the flight parameters. I'm sure this is not the case as the pilots surely would have noticed, and communicated the variance. Then again I surely do not know enough about what can and cannot be accessed. Any info is welcomed.

User currently offlinedamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42328 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 6):

That has not been released.

Well, considering that we've heard reports the last 2 arcs were close to each other that gives a small clue...

The plane must have flown close to the tangential of the hemisphere below the satellite to remain close to the 40 deg arc for an hour. This would basically mean it was flying either NW or SE.

Either that or it was already circling or had landed in the mean time (I see no point in why it would remain powered up though if the latter was the case).

D.


User currently onlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42271 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 9):
Your link does not seem to be working.

I think this is what he was linking: http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocean/map/2234



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently onlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42093 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 13):
I wasn't really paying attention so I did not hear what the device was. He said there was one in the front of the plane and one in the tail. He was not talking about the black box was he? Cause I am pretty sure you can not turn off the signal the black box makes.

You can't turn off the beacon on the ELT either, so I don't know what that "expert" was on about. You shouldn't watch Fox News anyway.



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlinePanAmPaul From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42156 times:

It now appears that a variety of sources including TV news are saying that the change in course of MH370 was entered into the FMS before the now-famous "All right, good night" sign-off.

I don't believe this answers any questions as to whether this was a routine emergency flight plan as a backup - or something far more sinister but the information continues to trickle in at a pace resembling moalsses.

Apparently the bad PR is getting to Malaysia and it is changing its management strategy for the search as well. Go figure.

Missing Malaysia Jet’s Change in Direction Programmed Before Sign-off

Quote:
Management of Search to be Divvied Up by Country

New evidence in the case of the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner indicates that the plane’s change of direction may very well have been input into a cockpit computer before the last voice communication was received by controllers on the ground....

.

[Edited 2014-03-18 21:02:26]

User currently offlinetomlee From Canada, joined Aug 2010, 349 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 42093 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 13):
Help me out here. I was flipping through the channels and saw on FOX that one of their "experts" said that someone in the cockpit can turn something off so the plane will not create a distress signal if it crashed. And that is why we have not found it. The example the "expert" gave is that if the plane had a tail strike the person can turn off the device so it will not go off.

I wasn't really paying attention so I did not hear what the device was. He said there was one in the front of the plane and one in the tail. He was not talking about the black box was he? Cause I am pretty sure you can not turn off the signal the black box makes.

I think they are referring to the ELT (Emergency locator transmitter) I think there is one installed in the back but there is no off switch from the best I understand just a manual ON or test switch. It has an independent battery and antenna so turning it off would be a little difficult. I'm not sure about the one in the front it could be a portable distress beacon or another installed one.


User currently onlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 41962 times:

Quoting tomlee (Reply 20):
I'm not sure about the one in the front it could be a portable distress beacon or another installed one.

I don't think there is an ELT installed in the front. I mean, I've never heard of such a thing, my word isn't gospel but neither are the words of Fox's talking heads. There will be portable ones in the cabin as you said but they require manual activation, unlikely in a night ditching of a 777.



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User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 41873 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 18):
You can't turn off the beacon on the ELT either, so I don't know what that "expert" was on about. You shouldn't watch Fox News anyway.

That's what I thought just wasn't total sure. And I usually watch CNN.  



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1096 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 41857 times:

Quoting PanAmPaul (Reply 19):
It now appears that a variety of sources including TV news are saying that the change in course of MH370 took place before the now-famous "All right, good night" sign-off.

The change in course did not take place then. It was just set up in the FMS then.


User currently offlineivanoruvan From India, joined Mar 2014, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 41895 times:

Quoting Tapir (Reply 10):
Looks like someone sitting on something.

Trust me mate. The more time you spend with Tomnod the more illusions you'll get.


25 nupogodi : You should watch their international channel if you have access to it, American CNN seems to focus more on Justin Bieber like things rather than real
26 rcair1 : Reposted because I got it in at the end of the last post.l Yes - I've been watching the eating dinner and SCREAMING AT THE TV for the last hour. I've
27 tomlee : Yeah I've never heard of two automatic beacons, I highly doubt they would go through the effort/cost of installing multiple automatic ELTs and the re
28 Tapir : Maybe, seeing two squarish shaped object too.
29 Viscount724 : Trivia: This thread has now exceeded 10,000 replies. It reached that number around Reply 250 in Part 35.
30 LTC8K6 : If the turn were many minutes earlier, FR24 would also show it. So I think it's safe to say the turn did not occur earlier than previously thought.
31 rcair1 : He was talking about the ELT. He was also wrong. He also said there were 4 on the 777. I don't think so. You cannot turn the ELT. It is in the tail,
32 Post contains links Tapir : Getting weird. Another strange shape here. Same location. http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocean/map/4953 wreckage?
33 bajamatic : ACARS - Can anyone clarify with certainty whether the ACARS reports upcoming, programmed turns or only turns that have been initiated and/or completed
34 PanAmPaul : Which is what I meant to say - thanks for pointing out the gap in thinking on my part - I've fixed it in my original post.
35 rcair1 : ACARS - if reporting ADS-C reports the lat, long, altitude and ETA for the next 2 waypoints (next waypoint and next+1 waypoint).
36 Post contains images hivue : Moral: if you want your deathless prose widely read, don't write a book. Post on anet.
37 chaseus1 : Lots of debris or something all over that area!
38 flyenthu : Does programming a change in heading necessarily mean immediate change in direction? It may not be, right? It could be that the change was programmed
39 rcair1 : Sanity Check - NOTE. - it is 22:00 here and I've had 2 beers - so no updated Sanity Check tonight. Thanks to those who have posted suggestions on it.
40 nupogodi : Well, there are way more than 4 I think. There's one in each slide and at least one in the cabin, but they are not g-activated.
41 nupogodi : Absolutely does not mean anything immediate. You have to execute the plan, and if your next waypoint is your current next waypoint nothing will chang
42 CaliAtenza : Well with CNN talking about the plane being used as a future weapon, or it ending up in Iran now;....i guess Flying With Fish wasn't so wrong after al
43 Post contains images ivanoruvan : Beats me. But looks like something which is partially burnt too. Nose, tail of an aircraft?? Man, now I'm delusional.
44 OOer : So here we are almost 2 weeks after MH370 vanished and we basically know nothing more then we did on day 1, other than the plane made a turn towards t
45 edmountain : Can we confirm Malaysia Airlines subscribed to all these ACARS services? At first the reports were they didn't subscribe to any of it, then just the
46 fooflyboy : You are 100% correct. I know a helluva lot more about trains than I do about planes. And I can tell you this. Anytime there is a railroad incident, r
47 tomlee : Or a space monster that way the plane would technically reach low earth orbit for a moment.
48 Tapir : This looks like a large chunk of something . 20 x 60 meters.[Edited 2014-03-18 21:29:52]
49 nupogodi : ADS-C is speculation as to how they know the flight plan was changed in the FMC. Google it to read about what it is. It's not likely they had ADS-C a
50 tomlee : Water maybe, I don't see anything there although I'm not very good at seeing patterns in those stare at image things. Are those sat images grayscale
51 fooflyboy : Did I read about 20 threads ago that there was a Malaysian Airlines mechanic on board? More recently perhaps described as an engineer? Is it feasible
52 edmountain : Can somebody tag these bad boys because I'm just seeing waves--no idea what you're referring to. Edit: oh, I see clouds too.[Edited 2014-03-18 21:33:
53 lucaspithan : Its hard to believe that the air defenses of all the countries involved did not track the airplane. They can't even cooperate to find the plane, what
54 Post contains links Tapir : [img] http://www.airliners.net/ufview.file?id=194738&filename=phpU0FxgV.png [/img] I have no idea how to upload image.[Edited 2014-03-18 21:31:47
55 Lindenwold : looks like a tortoise
56 Tapir : Also worth looking at if its size is 20 x 60.
57 fooflyboy : You did great. Looks like something big all right.
58 dragon-wings : Where is this? Is it down in the southern Indian ocean? Or up north closer to Malaysia?
59 Post contains links CaliAtenza : I don't watch Faux News, and i detest Hannity, but take a gander at this (from PlatinumFlyer at PPrune): "Interesting inteview on the Hannity show wit
60 Post contains links dandelany : from the previous thread.... From an AAIB report on a past incident in a 777-232: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...ng%20777-232,%20N864DA%2010-0
61 Tapir : No idea. Can't figure out . The map says Indian Ocean. Same area with the earlier photo where it looked like someone sitting on a float.
62 tomlee : I believe the trick, mentioned a long time ago is to switch challenge to api in the link (not sure if the position is accurate) {"id":4953,"overlay_i
63 dragon-wings : On CNN they said that the USS Kidd did leave the area. but they still have a P-3 flying from Malaysia and a P-8 flying from Perth looking for the pla
64 Post contains images flyenthu : Thanks for the explanation. Canadian references always welcomed! That definitely helps. How are they so convinced that new route was entered before t
65 boacvc10 : you don't upload the image, you TAG it, with the icons, you may have to register to get credit, but unless you tag it, no one will notice. Also you c
66 Starlionblue : Those are the breaker panels in the overhead, in other words perhaps the ones the pilots might need immediately from their seats.. There are more pan
67 Post contains links Tapir : Thanks. Will figure out and I hope someone here would tag it. Another object in the same area.. http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocea
68 Dalavia : Thank you for the link. Definitely worth watching.
69 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03...ed-in-12-minutes-after-course-was/ They are putting the turn at 1:07... Which seems very odd. I believe 9M-MRO
70 flyenthu : I am not a techie but a flight enthusiast. Can anyone clue me into ADS-C? This is very new to em. Thanks!
71 YVRLTN : From previous thread - man, these threads move on so fast when compiling a post.... already 71 posts in the new thread... Quoting Starlionblue (Reply
72 nupogodi : ADS-C could reveal it, if it was being utilized which I am personally skeptical about but have no way of knowing for sure. Maybe other ACARS messages
73 LTC8K6 : FR24 has 9M-MRO over Kampung Sungai Bari at 1:07, about 12Km or so from clearing Malaysia.
74 nupogodi : Basically it's used in FANS as a way to communicate aircraft position and intentions to controllers via ACARS when outside of radar coverage.
75 Tapir : Thanks tomlee. The tomnod map says Indian Ocean but now using "api" it points to the location where the NZ guy saw something burning the sky.Maybe oi
76 flyenthu : What are they looking at to come to this conclusion? I think they are completely wrong! If the plane already turned before the copilot's goodnight, s
77 dandelany : Thanks, rcair1, for more excellent work separating fact, good speculation, bad speculation, and total bullsh*t. I wish it were you on CNN breaking it
78 LTC8K6 : Yeah, I don't know where this is coming from. I don't see how it can be correct.
79 fooflyboy : Interview with eyewitnesses (Maldives?) coming up on ABC's Nightline.
80 flyenthu : I see. Thanks!
81 boacvc10 : Guess what, using a Cursor key (left, right, up, down) works fantastically fast. Speeds up the process. Don't use the mouse when browsing TomNod.
82 Post contains links tomlee : I think you can also see the imaged areas by looking at the front page, http://www.tomnod.com/nod/ Hopefully they will retask their sat and image whe
83 Post contains images ivanoruvan : One cannot be bad just to give some opinion. Check the image and see for yourself.
84 LTC8K6 : Okay, I just learned that the FMS will hold 2 flight plans, an active one and a secondary one. You can switch between them.
85 CaliAtenza : yeah i thought the same thing. I'm willing to give this retired General the benefit of the doubt. Why would he come on a news channel, even though yes
86 tomlee : I see pixels. Can't really make out anything if it is that zoomed in, so I control-scrolled out till it got really small but even then I couldn't rec
87 LTC8K6 : It's clearly a bunch of pixels.
88 tomlee : Also I noticed if your searching really fast the gird mask sometimes turns off and you can see everything around the gird your on and if you maintain
89 YVRLTN : FWIW, Flyingwithfish mentioned this yesterday.
90 k83713 : If you look on the main page, they have earth map with zones for which satellite collected images. They are all close to Malaysia, including a few in
91 tomcat : We can add one question: how far from these arcs could it be by now? Why assuming that it didn't take off shortly after a first landing along one of
92 ivanoruvan : It's zoomed in. You have to use the link Tapir mentioned to see the actual shot. I'm not saying he has found something. But it does look a lot more t
93 Post contains images Starlionblue : By backup instrumentation I meant flight instruments. However if we're talking comms I find it exceedingly unlikely that any malfunction would instan
94 LTC8K6 : I have already seen the pic. Several times. I wonder why no one bothers to post consecutive pics of the same spot? Are they not available? They would
95 flyenthu : Maldives is not in the southern arc. It is way out from the southern arc. I doubt the Maldives sighting is a solid lead. Where were the witness all of
96 mhockey31091 : I've lurked every single one of these threads from day 1 and I don't think I'm alone in saying that this tomnod.com has provided zero information and
97 davidzill : CNN reporting tonight that the FBI has ZERO forensic evidence of any pre-planned action by the pilots, other than the events leading up to to westward
98 tomlee : Wouldn't carbon monoxide also knock people out. Do commercial planes even have any carbon monoxide, CO2, or O2 sensors for air quality assessment. If
99 Post contains links bajamatic : Good ADS-C overwiew: http://prezi.com/pcuvxhcklsda/ads-c-overview/
100 tomlee : Well they have limited imaging capabilities but one day they might find something. If they re-task to the southern area that might help or at least b
101 tomlee : I don't think they have the resources to image the same area more than once. Once the sat flys by it can take some time to return to the same spot an
102 9VSIO : That would be the radio - you wouldn't tell head office, you'd tell ATC first if anything. Well, it would take the world's eyes off that region just
103 cpw : On the Northern route, if the plane managed to make it into Chinese airspace (and that's a *big* "if* in my mind), its fuel supply was exhausted, and
104 mhockey31091 : The problem with it is the images aren't high quality. Everything that I have seen posted can either be explained as a shadow, a cloud, or a wave bre
105 RickNRoll : I find it very hard to take that seriously.
106 imagoagnitio : true, which makes it a great way of pushing your product or service, how many of us had heard of topnod or digitalglobe before this incident?
107 mhockey31091 : That is also very true!
108 nupogodi : I have said from the very beginning, the imaged areas are very small and the images are far too low-resolution to be able to confirm anything but "th
109 tomlee : For general aviation it seems like they work for 73-83% of those crashes according to this ( https://www.aopa.org/Advocacy/Regulatory-,-a-,-Certifica
110 tomlee : All true, but it isn't like they even have been imaging in the right place anyways so we don't really know what the debris from this flight look like
111 edmountain : Sorry, it was just a poorly-timed idiom referring to alleged wreckage, not the gentlemen looking at the pictures.
112 dandelany : The DigitalGlobe satellites taking these photos are in orbits which take them over different parts of the earth all the time, it's quite rare to get
113 tomlee : So huge if you look at the tiny text on Google maps sat view you often will see DigitalGlobe as the credited image source. (The text is small but Goo
114 edmountain : I wonder if the "subscription" is actually managed at the network level rather than the aircraft level. I.e., the aircraft sends all the data it can
115 Post contains links LTC8K6 : We can refresh imagery from the same location almost daily. This gives customers the power to understand and take action. With the most advanced comm
116 edmountain : Maybe that's where the retired general got his scoop from.
117 tomlee : Pretty sure it is charged on a message based level at least at some point as if every ACARS system always transmitted everything over any link things
118 Mcoov : I just had a thought. If the aircraft was hijacked, and the transponders and ACARS were all turned off, then it's likely that the circuit breakers for
119 Post contains links dandelany : I think the various images people have found of planes in flight show that it would indeed possess sufficient resolution to clearly make out a wrecke
120 LTC8K6 : If they really thought it might be related, they would certainly take another look. Otherwise, what's the point?
121 tomlee : Probably we will have to find the black boxes to find that out.
122 bajamatic : Seems like a small design flaw there.
123 tomlee : I don't think they have the capacity to image every zone totally again and again. Unless they have some manual/automatic way of flagging tiles people
124 tomlee : Not really, there is a valid reason to pull the circuit breaker to stop the CVR/FDR from being overwritten after a normal incident. With a RIPS equip
125 ivanoruvan : Got it. My bad. Apologies.
126 Post contains links spr773 : This is a interesting bit. Sorry if it is a repeat link http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...e/article5801884.ece?homepage=true
127 CaliAtenza : lol could be a possibility; but being a retired general, i think he would have deeper sources than Flying With Fish.
128 dandelany : I understand that 35 parts is a lot to ask but please at least read the entire thread you're on. From my reply #64, above: "the CVR circuit breaker i
129 timothy31388 : Looks like a B737.
130 flood : And what have the combined eye witness reports, naval, air, and satellite assets of the official search effort yielded? Zero as well. I'm not sure ho
131 Mcoov : Sorry, didn't know that about the 777. I had been thinking about SilkAir 185.
132 Post contains links edmountain : This was debunked days ago. http://www.metabunk.org/threads/mh37...ndaman-islands-on-mapbox-map.3304/
133 Dalavia : I agree. However, they might both be getting their intelligence from similar (or even the same?) high level sources, which could add credibility. If
134 Post contains links ivanoruvan : Sharing this info as requested by a fellow member 9W737. 9W737 found an interesting discussion about MH370 in Indian Defence forum... http://indiandef
135 edmountain : If the general is correct then shouldn't he be dragged into a courtroom for giving the hijackers a heads up about the forthcoming raid?
136 jelliesR : That stinks of a sad stay-at-home making something up that will gain a life of its own, ensuring it is full of acronyms in order to give it a thin ve
137 dennypayne : Agreed - while it's not my place to say people shouldn't ask questions without reading all 35 threads, it does get a bit tiresome for those of us tha
138 Post contains links asetiadi : http://m.detik.com/news/read/2014/03/19/114858/2530210/1148/ Found this on the news... this could be it? Do you think this is the plane?
139 edmountain : LOL. MH370, Maersk Alabama, 9/11 and countless other foci for conspiracy rolled into one. I was waiting for the ghost of JFK to appear by the end of
140 dragon-wings : No I don't think it is. Look at the rear and tail section. It is a dark color. It looks like a FedEx type livery.
141 n797mx : No, looks more like a 757/A321, no crash debris, different paint scheme.
142 Post contains images ivanoruvan : LoL! That was a week old article from eutimes. You should comment in the eutimes page.
143 mhockey31091 : I have a question about Diego Garcia, is it possible to travel there on your own? Or is it military personnel only? I've been reading up on it and it
144 CaliAtenza : true, i agree with you. But everything FWF has said has showed up on the TeeVee news.... Yeah i was scratching my head at that part....
145 Tapir : Thank you.
146 Post contains images alfa164 : Amid all the theories, speculation, and fantasies on these threads... this is the only factual comment I have seen...
147 Dalavia : Unless of course it is deliberate MISinformation that is being thrown out through the rumours in order to lull the hijackers into a false sense of se
148 Post contains links NAV30 : I don't usually visit sites like this one - but I hope that it's all made up, rather than actually happening............. http://barracudabrigade.blog
149 studedave : Yes- it is an awesome place. I spent a year there, and would do it again in a heartbeat. You may not travel there on your own, and other then contrac
150 hawk21m : What about the news of Locals at Maldives noticing a low flying large aircraft OR the Indians primary radar at Nicobar picking up the Aircraft on reco
151 Post contains links flood : Reuters via twitter a few minutes ago: "Investigators' working assumption is that missing Malaysia plane flew to southern Indian Ocean - source. #MH37
152 Post contains links Tapir : Investigators examining the March 8 disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines plane with 239 people aboard believe it most likely that the plane flew into
153 Tapir : This is also believable like all other theories. Especially, the cargo manifest is yet to be seen.[Edited 2014-03-19 00:44:27]
154 flood : Yeah, nothing new, but it's nice to see it being reported again as it firmly flies in the face of some of the more bizarre theories involving Pakista
155 dragon-wings : And yet when CNN interviewed a commanding officer on one of the US Navy ship searching he said the southern search zone has hardly been searched at a
156 Starlionblue : Because it is all ocean and about the size of 1 200 000 000 football fields. They're working on it but it will take a while.
157 EVAAIRBR076 : Gosh those malaysians authorities really dont know how to handle this case. Now they are confident it flew the southern route pffff are u serious? A
158 tomlee : Add on rough seas and high winds makes searching all that much harder and if they do take sat images there is going to be a lot of visual noise. Well
159 Tapir : Interestingly today's headline in local paper (Berita Harian) was the "air marshal" (my translation for pengawal) was withdrawn 6 hours before the fl
160 Post contains links KIAS : An airline pilot named Desmond Ross has been giving statements and opinion since MH370 disappeared, but here is a relatively fresh quote which I find
161 tomlee : https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4w6RpGjTiQpM1dxMzdSTHRMeW8&usp=sharing In their first day of searching they covered a good portion of wha
162 peterinlisbon : In the event of a decompression the first thing to do is to put on the oxygen masks. They would then start an emergency descent to 10,000ft and radio
163 Speedbird128 : in response to this There are "experts" and "source close to the investigation" around every corner nowadays... How seriously is one supposed to take
164 Starlionblue : I don't know if he was misquoted but if you need to descend "right now" you would not use the VNAV mode and the Flight Management System. It would ta
165 Post contains links Pihero : An airliner has fire extinguishing capability via bottles and handles : - Engines -APU - Cargo holds, - Toilets, Then with portable extinguishers : -
166 Post contains links KIAS : How about Payne Stewart's Learjet? Here's a brief. The circumstances are not too dissimilar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_c
167 KIAS : In addition to the Douglas Ross quote above, as well as the Payne Stewart incident, here are two more examples of an unresponsive crew with a plane cl
168 Speedbird128 : If it was out of control how did it level off?
169 Finn350 : That is understandable considerning most of the 'forensic evidence' is most likely at the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean.
170 Post contains links Finn350 : CNN has now published quite a good article about the flight plan programming that explains pretty well what might have happened http://edition.cnn.co
171 chaseus1 : Reference the depressurization theories.... Someone programmed the turn into the computer. Then they had the sign off with Malaysian ATC, prior to the
172 Post contains links Starlionblue : I was reading this about programming flight plans in the FMS. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/19/wo...t-path-change/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 Quoting the ar
173 liquidair : indeed, they had a BBC reporter yesterday perform a couple of inputs in a flight sim, it seemed very easy, albeit he was shown where to type. press c
174 dragon-wings : This is true statement. I am not a pilot (and don't plan on becoming a pilot) and I know how to program a FMS. I am a flight simmer and learned it in
175 Post contains links Dalavia : Today's press conference is underway now. http://www.astroawani.com/videos/live
176 hiflyer : re hannity's general. Ok...the border between Pakistan and India is covered with all types of military radar equip from their continuing conflicts.. H
177 Tapir : I already stopped believing experts after seeing a Boeing 777 disappearing for weeks and kids with stolen passport coolly going through immigration c
178 Post contains images Starlionblue : It does spread the load but if memory serves the pavement loading per wheel of the 777 is among the highest of any airliner. On a side note the 727-2
179 RyanairGuru : I agree. The chance of it getting into Pakistan without the Pakistanis and Indians noticing (or the United States for that matter) is just about zero
180 Dalavia : In the press conference, it was repeatedly referred to as a 'search and rescue' operation. It was confirmed that no way points has been entered for MH
181 Dalavia : The press conference confirmed that all countries have returned background checks on the passengers from their countries except for Russia and Ukraine
182 SKAirbus : Norwegian state broadcaster, NRK, states that a number of citizens of a small island in the Maldives claim to have seen a low-flying large aircraft t
183 Dalavia : The press conference currently underway said that the Maldives officials had been contacted, and those claims of sightings have now been dismissed.
184 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : This was discussed yesterday but have been deemed as a non valid sighting. "David KaminskiMorrow ‏@FlightDKM Maldives sighting reports are "not tru
185 Post contains images SKAirbus : I can't watch it as I am at work, so thanks. It wouldn't surprise me if these people lived on the flight path into Male!
186 tomlee : The waypoint crossings are also not really confident info either. (They have gone beyond that) apparently.
187 Finn350 : So everything regarding ACARS, ADS-C and waypoint re-peogramming at least before losing the comms goes down the toilet? Argh, I can't stand these rep
188 Dalavia : The press conference has confirmed that the news reports that the plane turned left before the "Good night" transmission are not correct. They repeate
189 iberiadc852 : I said it before. Isn't much more probable an aircraft in another direction (fitting the data we already have) and flying low after having been told
190 tomlee : Simulator deletions, game log of the game cleared on in February. (That is one month ago)[Edited 2014-03-19 02:53:51]
191 dragon-wings : Malaysia does fly to Male, so I would not be surprised if this was the case.
192 Speedbird128 : I was skeptical about it the moment they started bandying about the ADS-C information. I wrote way back when why it was extremely unlikely they were
193 Dalavia : Being an amateur, I interpreted his words a little differently, I think. I understood him to say that no points had been programmed between IGARI and
194 Speedbird128 : Was this from today's press conference? - I missed it unfortunately... Because I was referring to several days back with the ADS-C lark started... I'
195 liquidair : So, from what I'm gleaning from your summaries- the pilot is now the main suspect? read between the lines- they wouldn't release information about his
196 Dalavia : Yes, the press conference that finished just a few minutes ago.
197 capri : chaos at press conference, familes were stopeed talking to media, a huge chaos outside press room by skynews
198 capri : flight sim deletes automatically old files if you have auto save in it, i believe from memory 3 weeks to 1 month are automatically replaced by newer
199 flood : At the end of the press conference he referred to the deletion of the game's data logs. I trust they're not only examining the installed flight sim b
200 Dalavia : Exactly. That is why I found his comment to be very interesting and potentially significant - if I understood him correctly, that is. Well, they were
201 capri : according to skynews, police are not letting media to speak to relatives
202 liquidair : that wouldn't fit with the feb 3 date though, would it? It would be continuous... sorry, i didn't manage to watch and as such, i haven't a clue exact
203 Finn350 : It seems that we have no clear information was said today. So it might be that the waypoints were relayed as part of the ACARS messaging after all. I
204 LTC8K6 : Yes, I think this applies to before the diversion. They would not know about waypoints after that, because of ACARS being disabled.
205 capri : well i was not sure , just from my memory, i haven't used my sim for almost a year now " am getting old " but people will lighten up this issue how l
206 runway23 : You'd think if this was something done by the pilot (which I personally doubt), that the person would buy a tablet/laptop from a store in cash and re
207 CaptainKramer : What about, JORN, Jindalee Operational Radar Network, an Over the Horizon Radar network based in Australia, it has a reported range of 3000km. Maybe i
208 Dalavia : I have seen some tweets from others saying 8th February was the date the logs were cleared. I thought I heard 3rd, but I'm the first to admit I may h
209 Alasdair1982 : For a country I love, that was embarrassing to watch. I suspect a few members of the police will be losing their jobs over their handling of that kno
210 liquidair : I'm not sure I'd be too bothered about trying to 100% cover my tracks... Not after potentially abducting 238 people. leaving a deceptive trail would
211 na : Imho they should not publish details about the pilot´s flight sim unless the information found is truly suspicious. So far that does not seem to be t
212 thunderboltdrgn : Which flight sim did he use? FSX? Xplane? some other?
213 capri : fs9 using auto save, but am not talking about saving a specific flight, just autosave
214 tomlee : They should just do a raw image of the disks and ship it around to a number of other more experienced computer forensics groups in parallel with thei
215 Post contains links tomlee : http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...-game-logs-deleted-from-simulator/ "Khalid said there were three games found on Zaharie's simulator, Flight Sim
216 thunderboltdrgn : A far as FSX logbook goes, mine has log info since for more then the past 12 months so no auto delete there.[Edited 2014-03-19 03:41:19]
217 runway23 : If you are after a life insurance claim you would surely cover up your tracks.
218 liquidair : from what has been said before, there is no way a policy can be paid out in these circumstances... Hence the reason the complexity and variables in t
219 theaviator380 : Just read a comment above regarding Captain doing depth study of Indian ocean. Is this true? or just rumor? is there any source of officials confirmin
220 ltbewr : Interesting, especially with the ongoing hostile actions of the Russian government and military into the Ukraine. So another WAG theory: could these
221 capri : there are so many ways and anectodes about flightsim files or logs deletions, the media's constant focus on certain possibility is misleading, I saw C
222 andy33 : I don't understand this. Is it that the relatives (which relatives, in which country?) desperately want to speak to the media and the police are prev
223 CaptainKramer : I have just seen a photo of JORN, the Jindalee Operational Radar Network, an over the horizon radar network based in Australia. The Antenna consists o
224 Post contains links JimJupiter : Allianz, leading a consortium of insurance companies, has begun to pay out Malaysia Airlines and the families of the 239 missing. But it's not clearl
225 imatams : At the PC today there was talk of radar data being provided by another country and the Southern search area has been significantly reduced. Could be
226 Post contains links cbrboy : And because the focus on the southern route only became serious on Monday. And because the search area is remote. Today (Wednesday) there were only t
227 Post contains links capri : I raised a theory in previous, about if there were deportees to China on board, Malaysia has done it before according to an article I posted, I am sur
228 Post contains images David L : Thanks. I don't read it that way at all. The press has highlighted the Captain's simulator setup as potentially sinister so it makes sense to say the
229 CaptainKramer : It's possible. Media would need to talk to Chinese relatives in Malaysia (and those still in China) to find out if any of the Chinese passengers on b
230 dragon-wings : The media is really taking the deleted flight sim files and running with them! CNN had on a flightsim "expert" with a simulator set up in the studio a
231 David L : Wouldn't anyone being deported be in custody in the time leading up to the flight thus making it less likely that they'd have the means to hijack the
232 DTW2HYD : Did anyone check Cook Islands? That NZ SI Swimsuit Safety Video was way too attractive.
233 capri : exactly my point i raised earlier, the amount of files and logs i deleted or replaced especially to do with AI, that's whay i was shocked what CNN wa
234 zeke : Jindalee transmitters and receivers look more like a wire fence than a typical dome radar, the transmitter and receiver are around 100 km apart. I sh
235 capri : but we don't know if they got loose or anything or there were other deportations before that nothing happened but those people never heard from them
236 liquidair : in linguistic terms you are of course correct. however, unless the spokesman and press release composer are extremely naive, they would know the cons
237 rfields5421 : Plus both FS2004 and FSX create a whole bunch of temporary files for each flight session, which are deleted when the sim program is closed down. But
238 Starlionblue : Reply 215:
239 akberc : It is possible to get into Pakistani airspace from the Indian Ocean without passing over India, but that stretch from the Kutch of Rann to Gwadar is
240 davidzill : My FSX log doesn't auto delete, in fact I don't think there really is a way to delete it unless you really need to, which may include editing files.
241 psolk : Just curious how they know when the FMC input took place? I have been wondering about this.
242 Revelation : Which also explains why it doesn't use a dish style antenna. They are only suitable for very short wavelengths (on the order of centimeters, or less)
243 Voodoo : Forget where I sourced this (from an e-mail I sent to someone earlier today) but if this helps: "Police said Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah played the ga
244 zeke : I just estimated the Chinese over the horizon radar coverage located in Nanning and Chengdu, they both should have had good coverage of the area where
245 Rara : I read he recently got into X-Plane.
246 thunderboltdrgn : you can delete all entries one by one or you can delete the logbook.bin file.
247 capri : I checked my fs9, and I am speaking only about auto save flights, it keeps 1 week, other sims not sure, what files they were talking about not clear e
248 akberc : I would also like to question the mathematical accuracy of the 'arcs'. With one satellite, triangulation is not possible. If it is calculated by the s
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