As usual , at every President or Prime Minister of China visit in Europe , an Airbus order is signed.
This time a 150 units order is rumoured during the China's President in Europe at the end of this month.
A320 ,330 and 350 are rumoured in this order.
Will be interesting to see if the A320s will be ceo or neo. Perhaps the ceo orders are at the end of the road in China.
> At least 150 jets, final number depends on last-minute talks
> The deal could also include "some" A320 and A350 aircraft
> It would suggest the deal is mainly all about A330s
> A330 cabin completion center in Tianjin will be Airbus's second major factory in the country
> The deal is expected to be signed at the end of this month
phoenixVIP From China, joined Mar 2014, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11450 times:
The important thing here is to understand how many A330 Regionals are part of this order. The number of times I have flown the major routes for business, including PEK-SHA, PEK-CAN, PEK-HKG, PEK-SZX, PEK-CTU etc show the need to for widebodies to operate them. Naturally Boeing can offer 777s and 787s for these routes but a specific designed widebody for regional routes is different as Boeing don't have one yet.
I cannot see the Chinese market absorbing more than one hundred widebodies over the next 5 years anyway. Yes incomes are rising and people are taking planes more. We need widebodies for dense routes but not at such high amount. A320s and 737s are still the most important backbone for our domestic services for the foreseeable future I am sure.
Quote: "I don't think anyone can call orders for an aeroplane that hasn't flown yet truly firm". #lolfail 777X/NEO/MAX!
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11065 times:
Quoting phoenixVIP (Reply 7): Naturally Boeing can offer 777s and 787s for these routes but a specific designed widebody for regional routes is different as Boeing don't have one yet.
Strictly speaking, the A330R isn't a regional jet either. It's a medium haul aircraft, improved along the years becoming medium-long haul, and now derated for shorter hops.
The non-ER 777-300 was meant for medium haul as well, but China never ordered them. I can see a possibility for the 787-10 being used as domestic widebody in China, depending on how the A330R will be configured. If it has round 440 seats, I don't think the 787-10 will be very useful as it also has an exit limit of 440 pax.
Availability is always a very important factor which is quite often underrated. This order could be the bridge for Airbus to launch the A330-neo if they wish so, and if the market analysis supports the decision for the launch.
Babybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9962 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 3): Will many of these be built in Tianjin. What kind of production rate do they have there?
It makes me laugh that when China buys something from us it's made in their own country. When we buy from them it's made in their country. If we made all the things that China supply to us there wouldn't be unemployment in Europe.
The trade relations between Europe and China baffle me. I can't work it out.
garpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9199 times:
Quoting Babybus (Reply 16): It makes me laugh that when China buys something from us it's made in their own country. When we buy from them it's made in their country. If we made all the things that China supply to us there wouldn't be unemployment in Europe.
"Russian components, American components.... ALL MADE IN TAIWAN! *CLONK* We go home now!"
India1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6953 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 21): It suggests 27 A330s (delayed because of the carbon emissions spat) and possibly some A350s.
Doesn't sound much like 70 - 200 A330s to me!
The way I read this and other related articles was that the 27 frames which were held up will also be "unfrozen" as part of the overall deal. So I am seeing a largish number of 330s with the inclusion of the earlier 27, to make it seem even more impressive.
kogge From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6129 times:
I'm really awaiting what they will "sell" us next week during the chinese visit to France...
Of the "27 A330 frozen in the emission spat" 17 have already been booked by Airbus last year...
Looking at below list we could hear of more than 350 Airbus Orders from China without anything being really new....
A32X already Booked, but as "unnanounced customers": 180
100x A32X Air China/Shenzhen announced 5/13, booked 12/13 as UFO
020x A32neo booked as UFO 12/13, may be ICBC Lsg
060x A32X China Eastern announced 1/13, booked as UFO 12/12
A330 "frozen": about 27, 17 already booked
010 A333 China Southern, announced 1/13, but not booked
017 A330 booked under various Chinese airlines in 8/13 and 10/13 (but only one for CSN).
A32X reported by airlines, but not booked: >143
023x A32X Qingdao Airlines announced 9/13, not booked
030x A32X Spring Airlines, announced 11/13, not booked
020x A32X Zhejiang Loong announced 12/13, even press release by Airbus, but not booked
070x A32Xneo China Eastern announced 2/14, not booked, but 1st trade-in A300-600 already back in Europe
Plus reports about more A32X for Juneyao Airlines and Tibet Airlines
042 A32X CASC announced spring 13 during visit of Hollande to China, not booked
018 A330 CASC announced spring 13 during visit of Hollande to China, not booked
Sum 60, probably already included somewhere above
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33971 posts, RR: 85
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5223 times:
Quoting India1 (Reply 28): WSJ has put up this piece which is a possible dampener:
For those without access to the WSJ paywall, Google "EU Vote Raises Doubts Over Chinese Airbus Orders" to see the article.
The article notes that the environment commission of the European Parliament narrowly rejected a compromise agreement on the Emissions Trading Scheme that was more amenable to China, however the full EU Parliament can (and likely will) put it into law when they meet in full session on 3 April.
So I could see Chinese President Xi Jinping making this an MoU during his Official Visit to France next week and once the EU Parliament implements the change, CAAC would then firm the order. Or he signs it and if the EU Parliament fails to approve the compromise, CAAC just changes their mind (not like Airbus would risk enforcing the penalty clauses).
According to the press release: "Airbus and relevant Chinese parties will work towards demonstrating the interest of setting up a wide-body aircraft completion centre in China, which includes cooperation on wide-body cabin interiors with AVIC."