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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 72670 times:
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 35 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)



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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory

MISSING MH370: ACARS cannot be disabled

MISSING MH370: Search for missing aircraft above politics: Hishamuddin


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 72630 times:

Let's face it folks. The search for MH 370 is too slow because we lack a resource to search thousands of square kilometers of the Earth's surface fairly quickly outside of satellites.

It's time to call in the U-2S and RQ-4 Global Hawk from the USAF or the Myasishchev M-55 from the Russian Air Force to scan the surface from a height of 60,000 feet--a height high enough to scan many thousands of square kilometers of the Earth's surface on a single flight.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 72379 times:

From the previous thread posted by Voodoo

Quote:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 237):

But the one thing I have not heard about the pilot's flight sim - is it MSFS, is it X-Plane, is it a certified FTD program?
Forget where I sourced this (from an e-mail I sent to someone earlier today) but if this helps:

"Police said Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah played the games Flight Simulator X, Flight Simulator 9 and X-Plane 10. The logs from these games were deleted on February 3 and police are trying to access the deleted information."

In FS9, logging has to be turned on as an option.
In FSX, logging is a basic feature, but the log files can easily become corrupted and require that the .bin file be manually deleted to restore logging. Otherwise the program functions normally, but no new entries are added to the log. One issue FSX has with log files is that when they get very large they become more likely to become corrupted.

Don't know about logging in X-Plane 10.

Also, the police statement indicates that he did not access / operate any of the three flight simulator games since Feb 3. Over a month before MH370 disappeared.

Seems very unlikely for someone who was supposedly practicing for a difficult landing/ flight.


User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 72308 times:

Do we have any definitive result as to the Maldives sightings?

Another thought. If the plane did crash into the Indian Ocean then in theory, every day that goes by ought to widen the debris field - that should help somewhat.

[Edited 2014-03-19 05:48:01]


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12468 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 72348 times:

I haven't commented on any of these threads so far, but just to add this tidbit. I was talking to a friend, a private pilot and instructor of some 30+ yrs experience. He was talking about a flight on a private aircraft he took back in 1981 from Dublin to Jersey and at that time, there was a certain restricted area one could pass through at weekends; during his passage through this restricted area, he was asked to contacted London Mil frequency and they asked him if he had a GPS; he had a very basic one; they were very new in '81. The military people tested it to see if they could block it.

The point? Even back in 1981, when radar and surveillance technology was a fraction of how advanced it is today, they could spot small aircraft, even under the radar (as they were). How much more advanced their technology is today and of course, therein lies a problem; no one seems to want other countries to know just how far their reach extends or how effective (or otherwise) their coverage - this applies both to other countries in the region, but likewise, to people who might be planning similar things.

Malaysia today reported new radar information; not sure (as I write this) if this has been published yet.


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2659 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 72115 times:

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 3):
Do we have any definitive result as to the Maldives sightings?

Dismissed in last press conference



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User currently offlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 71886 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
Seems very unlikely for someone who was supposedly practicing for a difficult landing/ flight.

Unless hed had done all his practicing by February 3rd and then just waited time to pass and a suitable flight. If he had deleted the logs the previous night of the MH 370 it would have been highly suspicious. I am not saying that he is guilty based on the current evidence, though.

EDIT: Correction to reply referral due to reply renumbering

[Edited 2014-03-19 06:19:04]

User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 71556 times:

Am surprised so far no Medium/Psychics claimed they know something unless I missed it

User currently offlineTapir From Malaysia, joined Mar 2014, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 71084 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 8):

They already did. Didn't you see the Shaman, holding coconuts and bamboo binocular predicting the plane is still flying or already crashed after two days. On serious note, there was another psychic reenacted the event of what's actually transpired there. That was about 8 days ago where he saw them still flying after 3.5 hours. Hijacker about 35, wearing brown shirt. Two of them. One took control of the flight. Then plane crashed into see. Water is very chill......And all died.



 

[Edited 2014-03-19 06:11:11]

User currently offlineBackSeater From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 71103 times:

Have Maldives sightings been dismissed too quickly?

Of course the Maldives are not in the "official" search area but I believe it is worth reading the report by minivannews, a local on-line newspaper:

http://minivannews.com/politics/mh37...s-malaysian-defence-minister-80362

The argument for dismissing the sightings st this point is that neither civilian nor military radars noticed anything unusual.
Anybody knows where the Maldives military radars are located?
As for the civilian radars if we assume they are only near Male and GAN, the area of the sightings is approx. 100nm from Male and 190nm from GAN.

If anyone wanted to approach the Maldives while avoiding civilian radars, Kuda Huvadhoo looks like a pretty good spot. Just make sure you stay below 5,000ft.

Notice also that the sightings were apparently reported on March 9th but of course immediately dismissed. Remember, at that time the plane was supposed to be in the "official" search ares, east of Malaysia.


User currently offlineTapir From Malaysia, joined Mar 2014, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 70856 times:

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 10):

I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours. I was hoping for reporters to ask Malaysia Government whether they could provide a definitive number on the actual fuel MH370 carried but no one did.


User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 70859 times:

Quoting Tapir (Reply 9):

Well I guess I missed all of these,


User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 70778 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
he had a very basic one; they were very new in '81. The military people tested it to see if they could block it.

Considering the first of the GPS "Block II" constellation (not prototype, available for public use) was launched in 1989, I would say that's no small feat for a private pilot!

Basically what I'm saying is that your buddy is telling tall tales.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 70765 times:

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 10):
The argument for dismissing the sightings st this point is that neither civilian nor military radars noticed anything unusual.

... and the Inmarsat pings.


User currently offlineFinn350 From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 70453 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 7):
Um.... I didn't say that!

Corrected... for some reason a reply can end up having a wrong referral if replies in-between are removed at the same time


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 70138 times:

Quoting nupogodi (Reply 13):
Basically what I'm saying is that your buddy is telling tall tales.

There was an older system (Navstar?) and of course there was DECCA, LORAN, etc. I only encountered those in a marine context, though.


User currently offlinek83713 From Russia, joined Jul 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 70082 times:

Some progress from Bloomberg:

NTSB analysis on the plane’s fuel reserves and the distance it could have flown narrowed the search area to about 305,000 square kilometers (118,000 square miles).

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...k-on-analysis-using-fuel-data.html


User currently offlineBackSeater From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 69913 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 14):
... and the Inmarsat pings.

Of course. For me "Inmarsat3 F1 last ping" is implied every time I say "official search area"
As for the dismissal by the Maldives, the argument appears to be that they saw nothing on radar, not that the eyewitnesses were sci-fi bufs that previously claim to have seen or visited UFOs.
The Male police is investigating but have not said anything yet.


User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 69677 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 15):
There was an older system (Navstar?) and of course there was DECCA, LORAN, etc. I only encountered those in a marine context, though.

Navstar is what GPS Block 1 satellites were called, they were prototypes for testing and not available for civilian use. LORAN existed, sure, but that's not space-based...



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User currently offlineBackSeater From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 69349 times:

Quoting Tapir (Reply 10):
I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours

I think the Maldives are much closer to KL than Beijing.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 69253 times:

Quoting Tapir (Reply 11):

I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours. I was hoping for reporters to ask Malaysia Government whether they could provide a definitive number on the actual fuel MH370 carried but no one did.

Crazy isn't it.. that there is no central database of basic info like that available. It's not as if that could not be determined since the paperwork must exist.



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User currently onlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 629 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 69034 times:

Quoting BackSeater (Reply 19):
I think the Maldives are much closer to KL than Beijing.

It is. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MLE-KUL-PEK&MS=wls&DU=nm&SG=450&SU=kts



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 68890 times:

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 22):

it's a hoax, a 777 with a 380 picture


User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 68698 times:

Quoting Tapir (Reply 10):
I think it was dismissed because it was outside the fuel duration of 7.5 hours. I was hoping for reporters to ask Malaysia Government whether they could provide a definitive number on the actual fuel MH370 carried but no one did.

Not only that I wish some reporter will ask if there were any Deportees to China???
read an article which still bothers me and that article disappeared from its website but there are quotes from article which i posted in thread 35 and 36


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 68578 times:

Quoting k83713 (Reply 16):
Some progress from Bloomberg:

NTSB analysis on the plane’s fuel reserves and the distance it could have flown narrowed the search area to about 305,000 square kilometers (118,000 square miles).

Thank you. That is an area of a size halfway between the UK and Germany, and less than half of Texas or New South Wales.

I assume that is the area where MH370 could have ended up including the area the currents would have distributed any debris.


25 gatorman96 : Not sure what you mean by central database, but the fueling company and the airline know exactly how much fuel was loaded into MH370. The fuel provid
26 Post contains links A380Heavy : I don't know if this has been posted but I was sent the link by an opponent in a game of Word Feud: Chris Goodfellow - MH370 A different point of view
27 Tapir : Oh dear! That was the best news so far from Malaysia. The shaman was invited to KLIA by Msia top leader, so he says. The fact he was allowed to condu
28 gatorman96 : From the previous thread: Any refugees being forced to return to China would've been revealed with a background check.
29 capri : exactly, big difference between putting in 7.5hrs worth of fuel or the entire plane has 7.5hrs of fuel, they never specified exactly
30 David L : Hmm... you're right. In that case I don't know what it was. It wasn't as early as 1981 but it was before the full Block II constellation became opera
31 capri : do you really believe that? after 12 days I don't believe a word now what they say, if these people are of high interest to China, do you think they
32 IADCA : It's been posted and discussed extensively as to why it is wildly implausible.
33 psolk : I had asked this in the last thread but it got lost in the lock. With reports that the FMC flight plan was manually changed before or after the final
34 gatorman96 : Do you believe that any intel agency took China's word and didn't do their own background investigation? They have run all the names on the MH370 man
35 Post contains links capri : http://news.sky.com/story/1228252/mi...aysia-jet-chaos-at-news-conference this is how the press conference is becoming like?? Will there be anymore sc
36 Post contains links capri : well this is I want to raise as an issue maybe they are an accomplice and they are both covering it up here is a quote i saved from the article "Thes
37 David L : How do you think the authorities in the UK would react to a protest at an AAIB press conference?
38 capri : in UK relatives will not need to raise attention like that to speak to the Media, they will have free will to express anger, but these were tried to
39 chieft : The information situation hasn't changed since MH370 disappeared: We know, that we know nothing except, that a B777-200ER with about 300 souls disappe
40 Kaiarahi : You're missing the point. The last SATCOM ping was on the calculated arcs 7.5 hours after departure from KUL. They could not have reached the Maldive
41 hivue : That apparently has been debunked at the latest press conference. Depends, though, on how much of what the Malaysians say in press conferences you're
42 Post contains links PanAmPaul : Still a bit unclear about the deleted data from the simulator. Is it common to delete logs? I don't use my sim enough to know. above from Malaysia Air
43 capri : In my fs9 I don't even have logs checked, so if they are talking about autosaving flights, well that's another story, it depends on which FS they tal
44 CrimsonChin : While not exactly predicting what happened, a psychic said in a few days, people would be seen crawling out of the jungle in a remote area, which was
45 asetiadi : when the pilot said " all right, good night " can we check whether he said the same thing on his previous flight about the same time as well ? this wa
46 capri : that's what everybody is waiting from investigators, but apparently thay are not willing to share much, also they brought up ideas to ask previous ca
47 hivue : And if on previous occasions he said "OK good night" or "all right good morning" what do we conclude?
48 BackSeater : Oh I totally understand the point about the satcom last ping. For several days I have been asking questions about the estimation method, its margin o
49 asetiadi : that this is his normal practice. If he never said that words on any of his previous flights...then this can be something that we have to take a look
50 Post contains links GiveMeABreak : zoomed in map 2234 Tomnod posted in Thread 36 by Tapir http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...?id=194863&filename=phpglNaPz.jpeg
51 JAL : For the plane to be missing after all this time, is really weird.
52 dc9northwest : Interesting. Do giant squid live in these waters?
53 gatorman96 : Waves breaking. This is out in open ocean: No Gulf's or Strait's where the water is relatively calm in comparison. I've looked at a few tiles on this
54 Post contains links flyenthu : This might have been pointed before, but the change in flight path seems to have been relayed through the ACARS system before it stopped transmitting
55 falconkutscher : There was a lot of speculation in this forum before, how far a 777 could fly / which point in the world it could reach, if it landed on a remote place
56 MIAspotter : I have a couple of questions... If we throw in another ¨suicide by flight crew¨ scenario, what are the chances of the Cpt or F/O switching off the C
57 chieft : If the aircraft has been hijacked and landed somewhere, I wonder, what the purpose of this hijacking is? Usually hijackers claim something; so do cert
58 psolk : Depends which Sim and which files they are referring to. In FSX it is not unusual to delete any unnecessary files as the Sim is 32 bit technology in
59 flyenthu : My hunch is that this flight change plan was transmitted at the 1:07 am ACARS report, which was the last transmission. It is now established that 1:0
60 nupogodi : yes yes
61 Post contains links and images flood : Based on the coordinates, that appears to be off the Vietnamese coast... seems rather unlikely at this point. Because you're pasting a corrupted link
62 pvjin : Or could be just some scenery / aircraft addons that didn't work as intended and got removed because of that.
63 hivue : The NST article looks like Monday's information. Apparently today's press conference debunked the idea that new FMS waypoints entered were transmitte
64 Post contains images rcair1 : First a synopsis (dropped some old 'breaking news' items) Time-line (from CNN) ACARS ACARS data from MH370 ADS-C Tutorial (short). Way-point Entry Da
65 flyenthu : Hmmm!! WHat next now?!! SO much info, myth, etc. in this. That will be debunking of two highly reported items almost back to back: 1. The "event" unf
66 rotating14 : I'm curious to know if this flight splashed softly in the ocean, how long would it take to sink to the ocean floor? I'm thinking of the US Airways fli
67 capri : Yesterday was different link than today By the way, anything with this story of mh370 cld be fishy, so don't discount anything
68 nupogodi : It has been suggested that a successful ditching with the 777 is wildly unlikely because of the size of the engines. The life rafts have ELTs and wou
69 Post contains links flood : I had posted your link from yesterday. http://tinyurl.com/qbemlvv
70 PacNWjet : As someone posted in a previous thread, sometimes actions speak louder than words. The disappearance of the airplane could be the action that speaks
71 hivue : But what about Dalavia's post 180 in the previous part regarding today's press conference: "In the press conference, it was repeatedly referred to as
72 CARST : But that would only make sense if the terror group behind this plan would say "we did it. and you won't find out how we did it.". As long as there is
73 Post contains images DJM18 : rcair1: Thank you again for the sanity check, it is the best summary of this incident and should be posted at the top of each thread so that anyone wa
74 hivue : This only works if "we" identify themselves.
75 Post contains links Finn350 : This The exact quote in the press conference according to CNN Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/19/wo...malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html The qu
76 747megatop : I think the world pretty much knows how they made it happen (turn off ACARS, transponder and comms. Fly out into a big Ocean with sparse radar covera
77 IADCA : Why does it require that they identify themselves? If the aim is purely to terrify people (rather than a specific behavioral or political outcome), a
78 Post contains images edmountain : Thanks for the sanity checks. One trivial note: you say this section has not changed, but you did change it Anyway, more importantly, there are sever
79 Post contains links rotating14 : http://www.weather.com/tv/tvshows/am...s-plane-flight-370-update-20140317 I'm not sure if this was posted here but this article sheds light on deleted
80 65mustang : Great job rcair1 on your sanity check. If it was read by all of the reporters, there would be a lot less confusion. Are these particular ELTs the one
81 tomlee : Because investigators might not attribute it to terrorism and default to some other explanation blaming it as an isolated incident which would then b
82 iberiadc852 : And anyway, with so many people willing to concadenate extraordinary coincidences to explain this event and to believe in them, if terrorists actuall
83 David L : It says to me that they have no evidence of any waypoints being programmed into the FMS that would be inconsistent with the expected route to Beijing
84 sbkom : Thanks rcair1, this is wonderful! These reports (sanity checks) are great help!
85 rcair1 : Yeah - I absolutely don't know what to think.....
86 hivue : In the press conference they apparently referred to the "flight plan," not the FMS. The Malaysians couldn't be any more confusing if they tried (whic
87 rcair1 : Dang! Yes - these ELT's are located in various places, slide/rafts, etc. I think it may vary by aircraft. I don't know if they would work if activate
88 IADCA : If investigators wrongly attributed it to something other than intentional action (something that they don't seem to be doing), then you could do it
89 nycdave : This may be a stupid question - and/or one already answered. Apologies if it is, but I haven't been able to find it so far. Regarding the last Inmarsa
90 N328KF : I don't know, I think most people are morbidly curious, but don't think that it's a terrorist organization (with what we know.) In such a case, perso
91 hivue : All they could detect was distance. They are not corridors. They are sets of possible points where the plane could have been located, only one point
92 rcair1 : I snuck in under the 60 minute limit and fixed the error (edmountain) and added a note about the Malasian statement (hivue). Thanks to all for helpin
93 IADCA : I actually agree with you (I don't think it was a group either), but I was just responding to someone questioning why they wouldn't ID themselves - w
94 tomlee : ELTs work anywhere on the planet and have GPS embedded location data as well as being able to be tracked using doppler tracking which should still fu
95 David L : There's also a Flight Plan in the FMS, which contains the intended route. I doubt there would be any strange points in the flight plan filed by the a
96 Post contains images flyenthu : Thank you for the latest Sanity Check! I think the SAR west of Perth in southern Indian Ocean is much more realistic. Hope success and some closure f
97 tomlee : Not really if the tracking problem is fixed well it will give good indication of problems regardless of the cause before the plane hits the ground/wa
98 N328KF : What are the main reasons the ELT might not have functioned in this case?
99 hivue : There's a flight plan filed prior to the flight. It's possible that's what was being referred to in the press conference, not what might have been en
100 SB6715 : Except some of the Maldivian islands keep their own local time which is MVT+1, so they could have been passing over the Maldives right around 7.5 hou
101 auroralives : I hate to ask because it's probably buried somewhere in these threads... question is: Since someone (apparently) disabled the transponder, ACARS, etc.
102 Post contains images David L : Well, in that case all I can say is I don't agree.
103 Rara : Please someone go back in time and make that Maldives thing disappear. While you're at it, go back even further and make the New Zealand oil rig guy
104 tomlee : They are not crash survivable and the automatic one requires the plane to pretty much be in one piece or at least the entire section where the ELT is
105 tomlee : if it turns out that the CVR/FDR are disabled is useful information in itself.[Edited 2014-03-19 10:15:03]
106 tomlee : They have been debunked here, debunked officially, ... so old news and invalid and covered in the summary and numerous threads.
107 JHwk : Brain damage and cell damage occurs first. At 40-45,000' you have a PPO2 of 0.03 to 0.04, which would require fairly long exposure to cause asphyxiat
108 Post contains images SB6715 : So forgetting to check the time zone at the particular island where the alleged spotters were located is completely unlikely given the extreme precis
109 cpw : Reposting my question from the last thread: On the Northern route, if the plane managed to make it into Chinese airspace (and that's a *big* "if* in
110 IADCA : Well, no emergency was ever declared in this case, so unless you plan on having the ELT transmitting all the time (or able to be activated by someone
111 rfields5421 : One important fact to remember is that the water impact of the US Airways aircraft was so severe that it fractured the integrity of the aft aircraft
112 Post contains links 65mustang : Long list of Boeing 777 200er specs and safety data here: http://sharadyadavs.hpage.co.in/777-flight-safety-notes_31205090.html
113 kevinkevin : So as MH370 turned left back towards Malaysia it climbed from FL350 to FL450. Then descended to 5000ft just before the western coast of Malaysia then
114 135mech : Hello all, I have tried catching up on these threads but they are too numerous! Just a question (that may have already been covered)... One report sai
115 Jetlagged : This thread has moved so fast I'm having to quote a post of yours in this section, not in Part 26 where the comment originated. Everything apppeared
116 747megatop : Provided that there was anybody alive (hadn't perished due to the suspected depressurization). Only the perpetrator may have been alive (perhaps inju
117 Post contains images qualitydr : I've flown FS9 and FSX for years, and yes, it's fairly common to delete logs (and much more). The log in FSX is very susceptible to becoming corrupt;
118 canyonblue17 : Why not post a big money reward for finding the aircraft and get all the crazies to go looking for it?
119 FltAdmiralRitt : It would be useful to find out to compare the following. The debris field size and density in an deep ocean crash in 3 scenarios. 1) An out of fuel ai
120 tomlee : I don't forget 9/11 its basically an event I remember to this day even though it really just was a phone call and radio at the time over a bridge whi
121 na : Thread 26 may not be up-to-date as to my current knowlegde or opinion on MH370. Much of the data (especially that coming from the military) is confus
122 tomlee : Not really sure on that one conceivably it would also be very difficult to find but one big advantage a land search has over an ocean one is that the
123 shortstack81 : SouthAfrican 295 left relatively little debris at the surface but its debris on the seabed was mostly mangled but in one or two compact fields, which
124 nycdave : I would figure that having the one would necessarily give you the other, and have seen both used. Thanks for clarifying. I am well aware that they ar
125 IADCA : That's a good, sensible suggestion, and it would definitely help.
126 rwessel : I agree, the only reasonable single point distance estimate with the required accuracy would be measurement of the round-trip time of the signal. Raw
127 hivue : Compared to the Indian Ocean all 3 will be miniscule.
128 cjg225 : rcair... WOW. That is a hell of an effort you've put out for that summary. Thanks a ton. I've been really out of the loop for a few days, so that was
129 spacecadet : I assumed he was talking about it being helpful to determine the cause of the accident once the plane is actually found, but I'm not sure. In terms o
130 Post contains links and images dandelany : I posted about this last night... From an AAIB report on a past incident in a 777-232: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...ng%20777-232,%20N864DA%
131 rwessel : The width of your photographic footprint is pretty much directly proportional to your altitude. For aircraft altitudes the curvature of the earth is
132 YULWinterSkies : I admittedly I haven't read the >6000 posts on the > 35 threads... but just wondering: Have we heard anything at all from Myanmar? Have they coo
133 rcair1 : My understanding/logic is thus. - The mode being used is the low bandwidth/global mode which does not provide direction. (there is a spot beam mode t
134 Post contains links PW100 : For those that want to read the exact text of the last press conference: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...4&id=178566888854999&stream_re
135 hivue : It would be great if this is the case. Perhaps they are right now trying to extract some type of info like this from the data and maybe constrain the
136 hivue : Any debris field resulting from a crash into the ocean would be greatly distorted by now.
137 peterinlisbon : Here's an idea. Let's assume that they weren't flying in circles and so they took a more or less direct route and flew for 7 hours (which we know from
138 SeeTheWorld : Which would make more sense if the evidence is pointing at a crew member ....
139 Finn350 : Apparently at the far southern end of the southern arc, and that is the place where they are searching as far as I understand,.[Edited 2014-03-19 12:
140 AR385 : Anybody have an idea when will debris start appearing in the beaches and in which coasts? India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia etc.?
141 Post contains images hivue : One of the best pieces of advice I've ever been given is never attribute to malice that which adequately can be explained by stupidity.
142 rwessel : I'm losing track, which set of sats is being used for SATCOM on this particular aircraft? The gap in the arc doesn't really correspond to any of the
143 hivue : That's not my quote. (The anet quote gremlin has struck again.)[Edited 2014-03-19 11:54:10][Edited 2014-03-19 11:56:14]
144 hivue : I think that's where the 178 deg E POR overlap is. IIRC there are maps in rcair1's sanity check.[Edited 2014-03-19 11:58:39]
145 peterinlisbon : I was wondering - does anyone know how reliable information from the satellite is? Is it at all possible that this information is not correct? Because
146 SeeTheWorld : I agree, but if the Malaysians could point to anything other than crew suicide, I think they'd be extremely clear about it. They may have concluded,
147 capri : My biggest fear in all this is that an Entity(person/group/government) will get away with murder, and worst of this fear, is this entity is part of th
148 hivue : On the map in the sanity check the western boundary for 178 deg E POR looks like it crosses the southern tip of the Malay peninsula. Looks in just ab
149 Post contains links tomlee : Not sure usually that requires quite a bit of modelling (supercomputer time and ocean flow researchers) and knowledge of where the debris started and
150 Tbone354 : Howdy folks: I am amazed at this thread or at least the length of it. I admit that I have not read all of it or even most of it. Who in Sam Hill could
151 Post contains links desh : Just got this announcement via email from Tomnod. Someone in earlier threads (not sure when) had posted the overall coverage by Tomnod - http://sendgr
152 N328KF : AF447 is the template here, right? It wasn't out of fuel, but it was stalled. Close enough.
153 Post contains images Finn350 : Corrected (It was the gremlin, not me)
154 William60 : Under one scenario, in which the pilot willingly re-directed the flight path... From what little is known of the flight, what aspect would require sim
155 David L : To add some perspective, that advice was also offered here about the French search for AF447. Many accused the French of being deliberately misleadin
156 Post contains images Pihero : Reasonability check. 1/- The mass murdering pilot. Cold blood killing of 238 people, at least 20 of them being good friends - as Malaysian is not such
157 TheRedBAron : Seeing that the missing airplane may have fallen on the south part of the Indian Ocean west of Australia and that is fairly south on the globe, if the
158 SSTeve : Read the rcair1 updates. Reply #64 in this thread.
159 slinky09 : Has anyone seen any updates on the search in the southern Indian Ocean? The lack of debris is odd but then it is remote and a large area. With AF447 d
160 rcair1 : It is in the sanity check - reply 64 Yup
161 FltAdmiralRitt : Futherthing on the point below. "It would be useful to find out to compare the following. The debris field size and density in an deep ocean crash in
162 rcair1 : Nicely put.
163 tomlee : They have only really been searching for 1 day (2 now) and their initial search only covered 1/10th of what they wanted to search on the 2nd day of s
164 Finn350 : It is possible he waited with his plan for a co-pilot which he didn't particularly like. I doubt he could know all or even most of the F/As. The clim
165 AR385 : Thanks to you both. Although I was of the opinion that some debris was bound to wash up on shore soon, I see that it might not be the case. Which at
166 SeeTheWorld : This has been worrying me for many days .... but, I actually believe some wreckage will wash up on some coastline and will be discovered, eventually
167 TheRedBAron : The only islands that "might" get debris if caught in the transoceanic antarctic current are the kergelens and the Falklands/ Georgias.... MIGHT being
168 AR385 : Another question. Assuming: One pilot did it. How do you get rid of the other pilot? 1) The other pilot goes out for a bathroom break and the one left
169 nupogodi : This is the first day that I actually skimmed over all of the posts instead of reading and replying to each one in detail. Please, guys, read the fabu
170 tomlee : A 3d printed gun is more likely to kill the shooter than the target. (They are pretty unreliable for guns, assuming you mean a pure 3d printed one wh
171 iberiadc852 : About Tomnod: How often they "refresh" images? Do they store old images? Sorry if this information is easy to find, but it doesn't seem to me.
172 Lindenwold : when you're browsing the maps, it tells you when the image was taken.
173 AR385 : Thank you. So how, if my assumptions are correct, and that is a big if, was one pilot gotten rid off? What are the possible scenarios of how that hap
174 DJM18 : I can think of two relatively simple ways to do this.... - The first would be to slip something in his drink - The second is to sabotage his oxygen s
175 nupogodi : Really? Guys, they have an axe.
176 nupogodi : I really insist that nobody waste time on Tomnod. The imaged area is far too small, plus there's so much noise with people thinking container ships ar
177 Lindenwold : BNN=Breaking News Network
178 AR385 : Thank you. Your first scenario on slipping something on the drink really does not work. There is a multiple of reasons, but it really is not possible
179 iberiadc852 : Thanks. And what about old images?. Do they exist?
180 AR385 : I appreciate the input but I find that very implausible due to the amount of confrontation it would entail in such a confined space, and the potentia
181 flexo : What I really don't get about the proposed Northern Corridor is that in order to get there you must fly over a couple relatively densely populated are
182 Summa767 : On the matter of debris on the ocean, I don't think that a field of debris, if any at all may be found. This incident appears to have some deliberate
183 nupogodi : What? Flight crew member gets up with some routine excuse, grabs the fire axe, does what he does. No damage to systems required. I'm just sayin', if
184 tomlee : Blunt force trauma, stabbing, a regular makeshift gun, auto-injector with anything. A spoon/fork/spork, a usb cable, tape, ... anything really if you
185 prebennorholm : No, the AF447 verical tail main structure was made of CFRP composites which does not float. It floated due to trapped air pockets. The 777 vertical t
186 tomlee : Just remember that "softish" landing in water are extremely rare. Even in that river landing situation it was not really a "soft" landing. Landing in
187 anstar : Perhaps, but if you think the flight crew usually have to be strapped in at all times when sitting at the controls. So lets say the FO says he is get
188 spitfire : Maybe like the Swiss Airforce ... they are operational only during office hours ...[Edited 2014-03-19 13:49:43][Edited 2014-03-19 13:50:36]
189 Post contains images socalgeo : Thanks for the link tomlee, I checked it out and the search area map shows that they were planning to search an area that is 3200KM to the west of Pe
190 LTC8K6 : Can you just lock the other pilot out of the cockpit if he leaves? If you do that though, you probably alert the passengers to the situation. They wil
191 Post contains links Mitico12 : General Tom McInerney, retired USAF, doubles down on the plane having landed in Pakistan. Has this been discussed? http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/03/1
192 AR385 : And I´m pretty sure in such case he would request the help of his passengers. And more than one, in that corner of the world, is bound to have a sat
193 ComeAndGo : How about --> Both pilots are locked out of the cockpit & plane flies itself ?
194 65mustang : Maybe this is what happened.
195 hamiltondaniel : General Tom McInerny, retired USAF, spouts some scaremongering nonsense on Fox News...unprecedented! Could the aircraft be in Pakistan? Well, it's re
196 William60 : CNN reporting Malaysian authorities have new radar data. They cannot release the info because it came from another country. Could be confirmation of s
197 davidzill : I think in the end something that never crossed anyone's minds is what occurred, and it may contain absolutely no malice on the part of the pilots.
198 AR385 : So I suppoose that if the theory that one pilot did it is true (big if) Then: 1) No gun was used 2) He incapacitated the other one with either: a)The
199 flyenthu : Just heard on CNN that the way points on radar after transponder went off appear to be systematic and software driven, rather than a human flying the
200 jelliesR : did the oxygen hose in mh370 get replaced with a non conductive one as per the FAA recommendation after the Egypt air ground fire? that oxygen fueled
201 billreid : Nicely said. I am scanning the posts/thread for something new, nothing else. But I haven't seen anything new for what seams like days. I turn on CNN
202 coolian2 : Without even looking at links, that was my immediate thought. This is being used in the usual quarters for pointless political point scoring (say tha
203 William60 : There have been a number of crazy theories. Why repeat them here?
204 billreid : I keep thinking this.... Nothing is as it appears. Assume things are different that we thought. Because none of the theories make sense to me any more
205 anstar : That is my train of thought as well.
206 abba : It seems likely that the general has been in the infantry for most of his career.... There are several reasons that indicate that this theory is less
207 spacecadet : Lots of countries smarter than Pakistan's current government have done things that it seemed obvious would lead to war, and in many cases did. That i
208 hivue : They'd have been on their phones for sure in that case. (Actually, though, I'm thinking it's going to be something weird but non-dramatic like this t
209 jpsnaggs : My thoughts exactly - from day one I have watched this forum and other forums go through this logically and not logically (i.e conspiratorially) and
210 Post contains links SQA350 : Probably this... http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...defends-delayed-radar-blips-report
211 psolk : Took 75 years to find the titanic after it was underwater...
212 Post contains images MD80Nut : While we certainly don't know what happened yet as of 3/2014, these are some possibilities I see based on what little is known: 1- There is strong evi
213 Summa767 : There have not been many successful water landings, not least because there have not been many water landings! But that is something that is planned
214 Post contains images hivue : Yeah, I feel like I'm in a time warp too.
215 jelliesR : It isn't an original thought but it is illogical. Think about it: if the plane can't be found (by multiple countries) then it is because humans are i
216 Shmendr : Does anyone know if P3 Orion / P8 Poseidon can land on an aircraft carrier? In addition, does anyone know if Australia has aircraft carriers? Finally,
217 Post contains images garpd : Apples and oranges. And I think you know that
218 MD80Nut : No to all. Cheers, Ralph
219 infiniti329 : 1. No 2. No 3. No (highly classified)
220 marosbts : Well, it definetly seems that it will be very very difficult to find the plane. The person which is behind this plot simply wants to do so. In my opin
221 gatorman96 : [Edited 2014-03-19 15:20:09]
222 ptcflyer : My thinking is stuck on "why this flight" versus a Europe bound or longer scheduled flight. One answer is that this flight was on the longer end of o
223 flyenthu : CNN is solidly sticking behind the pre-programmed angle. Schmidt, from NYT, is on the show and also mentioned. They probably have some evidence that h
224 Phishphan70 : This flight because obviously there are some issues with security and customs in KL. Regardless of what actually happened to this flight, one thing w
225 TSS : I was thinking much the same thing myself. (Sidebar: Regarding the use of U2s, I thought by now those had all been decommissioned and/or broken up. I
226 ptcflyer : Agree with this assessment, But why this flight from kUL?
227 UALWN : The Pakistan landing theory may or may not make sense, but retired Lt. Gen. McInerney surely does not make any: "Of course there now appears to be ev
228 Post contains links N328KF : Except... it depends upon how you define "aircraft carrier:" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra-class_landing_helicopter_dock
229 Lindenwold : Why did it take so long when they knew where the survivors were?
230 coolian2 : Technology. AF447 is the best modern day comparison to the Titanic.
231 Lindenwold : That's interesting, only because I heard somebody else mention Boeing knowing about the a/c being in Pakistan. I can't remember the source, but it wa
232 BridYYC : The answer is because this was the flight that this Pilot or Co-Pilot was flying. Why this particular flight he/them were flying versus others that h
233 Post contains images UALWN : Yeah, well, according to the general it "is starting to become verified".
234 MD80Nut : True, but they seem to call their a "landing helicopter dock." Just a different type of aircraft carrier. I didn't know Australia was getting those.
235 rcair1 : No way it would have flown for 7 hrs with that fire. 70 years to develop the technology.....
236 jelliesR : Every fire is different. Ground vs high altitude. Different response by crew. I'm just wondering to what extent the recommendations from the Egyptair
237 Post contains links fooflyboy : This may be it: http://pamelageller.com/2014/03/boei...ource-missing-plane-pakistan.html/
238 Post contains links jelliesR : "Pamela Geller is the founder, editor and publisher of Atlas Shrugs.com and President of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) and Stop Isla
239 keegd76 : Other than helicopters the only planes you could land on those would be VTOLs (e.g. Harrier or Osprey)
240 na : And a second to know why she sank.
241 chrisair : I think Pamela Geller needs to work in more Three Letter Acronyms (TLAs) to her biography. It'd really help.
242 CaliAtenza : Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m My primary DHS source sent me a one word answer for #MH370 flying south. The word is ... wait for it ... “Bul
243 Post contains images David L : Well, that's one mystery solved.
244 Tangowhisky : Agreed, But is there a way we can estimate how much fuel was on board by knowing that the airplane was already at FL350 under 40 minutes of flight (j
245 Burkhard : Not really. CVN75 is the nearest currently.
246 zeke : I did this a few days back for another member that asked me Given the initial cruise was FL350, that is optimum weight for 240t (Boeing books). Green
247 Tangowhisky : Zeke. Thank you. I guess that settles that.
248 boacvc10 : A.net community, I just heard a perfect and knowledgeable quick, professional brief by an interviewee on CNN, and I do think that he needs to be heard
249 hivue : The transponder was disabled and the plane made its turn right at handoff from Malaysian ATC (or maybe Singapore SSR) to Vietnam. Apparently it fell
250 flyenthu : I think this is significant. So, watching AC 360 on CNN. He just stated that from the ACARS transmission at 1:07L it was determined that the change in
251 Post contains images David L : There aren't a lot of Lt. Colonels in the Royal Air Force. Have I got the wrong RAF?
252 hivue : You're about 300 posts behind. The re-programmed FMS remains a subject of confusion. Refer to rcair1's sanity check.[Edited 2014-03-19 17:11:40]
253 Starlionblue : Planes regularly "fall off" secondary radar, for example if a transponder malfunctions. It is not, per se, cause for suspicion. The fact that this wa
254 Lindenwold : You ever notice how bored Erin Burnett looks when it's not her turn to speak.
255 Post contains images flyenthu : I read it, but it was unclear at that time if that information was transmitted via ACARS, no? There was confusing surrounding it. It was widely being
256 flyenthu : Off topic, but really? I thought she did a good job. I also like Schiavo and Abend's input.[Edited 2014-03-19 17:23:56]
257 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Is it this guy?: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-kay/
258 hivue : Apparently that's what CNN is saying. They could be right.
259 Starlionblue : David L's point was that the RAF does not use the rank of Lt. Colonel. The RAF equivalent rank would be Wing Commander.
260 William60 : If this plane disappeared due to nefarious behaviour by the person piloting it, Then a fake-south, go north move is a distinct possibility.
261 Post contains images hivue : If we're reduced to critiquing the appearance of media talking heads there must really be a dearth of information. [Edited 2014-03-19 17:33:13]
262 Post contains links PanAmPaul : I'm legitimately confused. "We have the radar but can't tell you." Seriously? New Radar Data Found for Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight
263 Tapir : Then we cannot discount the possibility of enough fuel to fly to Antarctica or US. We have a lost plane without knowing how far it would go. I don't
264 Post contains images David L : Ah, never mind. It seems he was a helicopter pilot so it could be phenomenon of the Joint Helicopter Command setup. I hadn't thought of that. It was
265 David L : In other words the other country showed them their radar data on the condition that they didn't show it to the world.
266 B747400ERF : Not sure if this has been talked about yet, so many replies... but fsx sometimes gets a corrupted logbook, and you have to delete it, as well as the d
267 David L : Well, maybe not all of us.
268 Tapir : I believe so. Otherwise, they would have stopped searching in many places.
269 Lindenwold : It's not like it hurts the investigation.
270 Post contains links 777Jet : A link to a different article about 'Swift': http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...ave-skimped-on-cheap-plane-upgrade "The paper's report suggests th
271 N328KF : See above. It's still an aircraft carrier. A Harrier or F-35 is a legitimate fighter, and the former has killed more than it's been killed. What's th
272 William60 : Anyone know, has it been said, the extent of search efforts to the north?
273 rcair1 : What it changes - or informs - is that waypoint changes were programed before the hand off. Now - what does that mean? We don't know. - Where they pl
274 Post contains links rfields5421 : Two things. 1) - Regarding the primary radar data. The radar data a controller, civilian or military, sees has been run through several filters to au
275 Post contains images flyenthu : I read that, but obviously missed it! That is the big question. The eerie silence after the aircraft disappeared is what is so bizarre about this.
276 N328KF : Well, not to mention that nobody wanted to pony up for the investigation. Titanic was only found because it was a convenient cover story for other wo
277 Post contains images flyenthu : Just went back and reread it. I think the networks should read it too! Great job!
278 hivue : And MH370 apparently continued on its mysterious (if not merry) way for another 5+ hours.
279 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : Hi All, This thread has gotten long and Part 38 has been created. It can be found here MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38 (b
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