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We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 109  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 21387 times:

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We're Still Hot! - Caribbean Aviation Thread 108 (by BW424 Jan 6 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21311 times:

a388 Air Caraibes runs a PAR SXM flight with A330s, which are twin engines. Obviously they cant weight restrict with fuel as it is a nonstop flight to PAR. They have a larger passenger load, over 350 seats vs BWs 221 seats. Their fares to PAR from SXM are only slightly higher than their much higher volume fares to PAR from FDF, and considerably lower than what AF charges on its own PAR SXM flights.

TX cant be weight restricting with fuel, so they must be with passengers, but I doubt that they are running half empty planes across the Atlantic, even if they are loading them less than they do on their other trans Atlantic routes. Not with those low fares.

User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21255 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 1):
Obviously they cant weight restrict with fuel as it is a nonstop flight to PAR. They have a larger passenger load, over 350 seats vs BWs 221 seats.

These passengers dont travel like West Indian folks you might have a flight of 350 pax but you only carrying about 6 containers of bags where as if it were your typical VFR pax you will max out the bellies and still maybe have left over bags.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10777 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21242 times:

Beewee15 says it right, in TX case they will limit on cargo carried so in that view the aircraft will not be fully loaded.


User currently offlinekl838 From UK - England, joined Oct 2010, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21237 times:

KLM used to fly the MD11 nonstop in conjunction with the 744 triangular route back in the day, so I don't see why a 767 can't make it. What are AF and KL going to do since all their next gen aircraft will be two engined aircraft? I expect to see either A332 or A350 on the route for AF and a 787 for KL, the A343 is getting very long in the tooth, especially since they aren't getting AF's newest Business, Premium Economy and Economy cabins.

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User currently offlinemastermis From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2008, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21213 times:

Does anyone have any news about Bluesky Cayman?
Last I heard they were supposed to start service to EIS and some of the other islands.

http://www.blueskycayman.com/ Not much info on their website.

The last news I saw can be found here:


(I searched the previous thread and saw nothing)

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 21165 times:

Repost from last thread...

V2-LIG ATR42 msn 1009 has been delivered to LIAT and has left TLS today. It makes the 3rd ATR-42 and 7th ATR aircraft in LI's fleet.

You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10777 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 21141 times:

Kl838, weight restrictions apply due to the mountain that is close by. Twin engine aircraft due to them only having one engine available in a one engine out scenario have much stricter rules for safety purposes. A 747 has 4 engines, a MD11 has 3 so they only lose 25% and 33% of their lift while the 767, A330, 777, A350, 787 will lose 50% of their lift when one engine goes out. This makes SXM less attractive as twin engine operation. Airlines will have to fly with a limitation of some sort to safely fly long haul from here.


User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 21054 times:

Quoting mastermis (Reply 5):
Does anyone have any news about Bluesky Cayman?
Last I heard they were supposed to start service to EIS and some of the other islands.

http://www.blueskycayman.com/ Not much info on their website.

Last I heard was October was the start date! Lets wait and see......

My dream, is to fly, over the rainbow, so high!
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 21054 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 2):

Now that the limits are 2 bags 50 lbs I dont know that any one is any different. Any way BW will not be flying West Indians on the SXM run so that its not relevant.

@ a388.

TX uses A330 planes to fly PAR SXM PAR 1 to 3X per week, depending on the time of the year. They fly nonstop, so clearly this is not only technically possible, but also the civil aviation authorities have no problem with it.

This will also not be a cargo route for BW, so I dont know that they will have challenges that TX will not have.


Will there be more ATRs expected? Or does LI need to find more money first? That is the portion that the shareholders were supposed to contribute in full, but havent seem to have managed to as of now.

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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 3035 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21011 times:

Any news on how GEO is going to welcome CM?

I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21005 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 9):
Will there be more ATRs expected? Or does LI need to find more money first? That is the portion that the shareholders were supposed to contribute in full, but havent seem to have managed to as of now.

I've being checking their page and all flights are bookable until September! so the "unhelpful" routes to be axed are a mystery so far...

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10777 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 20992 times:

Guyanam I have explained enough now but you just don't want to believe me so I won't discuss this anymore. Believe what you want to believe or contact Boeing or Airbus engineers for more explanations!


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 20946 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 12):

You never responded to the TX flight with an A330 and why BW cant fly a 767. You kept on referring to KL.

So why can TX fly nonstop to PAR with an A330 and BW cant fly to LGW with a 767? They both are twin engine planes. TX take off weight must be heavier because they have more seats. Both definitely must have a high fuel load to cross the Atlantic.

And TX definitely isn't flying a half empty plane at fares only slightly higher than their high volume PAR FDF route.

So why? You never answered.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10777 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 20872 times:

Guyanam please read my posts. Nowhere did I say that twin engined cannot do the route. I'm talking about weight restrictions on twin engine aircraft so BW can operate the route but with restrictions in one way or the other.


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20764 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
Guyanam please read my posts. Nowhere did I say that twin engined cannot do the route. I'm talking about weight restrictions on twin engine aircraft so BW can operate the route but with restrictions in one way or the other.


Guyanam what we are telling you is that there are restrictions when flying into and out of some airports eg: SXM.
At SXM you have a mountain infront of you to clear. So your simple choices will be :

1 - Take your pax and their bags only with no cargo and fly nonstop to Paris or London.
2 - If you dont have a full pax load you take some cargo and fly nonstop to Paris and London
3 - If you have a heavy load you take enough fuel to get to FDF refuel there and continue to Paris or London

Now if you read between the lines everything points to what A388 has been saying "WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS"

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10777 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20750 times:

Beewee15 is correct, it all comes down to weight restrictions especially on twin engined aircraft due to the environment of certain airports such as SXM, BOG and UIO.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20633 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 15):

Neither TX, nor BW, if they start the route, will be cargo carriers out of SXM. Even assuming that SXM had out bound airfreight to Europe (which I doubt) it will probably be on AF.

TX flies nonstop with fares 65% to 80% of that of AF. And about 15% higher than the high density FDF route.

Can it sustain those airfares with 65% weight restricted loads? Yes I can imagine fewer passengers, but weight restricted at 220? While AF might be obligated to provide service to SXM, as it is an overseas territory and AF is the flg carrier, TX has no such obligations, so they must be making money.

BW has 103 fewer seats, assuming that TX uses their smaller A330. Are you suggesting that 767 engines are weaker than an A330? I assume that the 767 will be lighter on take off as it has fewer seats.

Any case its very unlikely that BW will be running this route. The VFR is nil, and premium UK passengers aren't going to use them. So SXM will have to fill their planes using second tier UK tour operators. They will prefer BA, who will actually be able to GROW the market, once SXM becomes more accessable.

Only way BW gets it is if BA says categorical no, no way.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10777 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20594 times:

Guyanam you are finally getting it. One thing you have to remember and take into account with twin engined aircraft is the one engine out scenario. That gives these aircraft weight restrictions on certain routes.

About BA saying no, yes I think they will say no as this is not their core business or something they are looking for if demand isn't that impressive.


User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20489 times:

All about SXM and whether BA or BW would fly from there to the UK, I see. Two other things to remember - in fact A330 engines are more powerful than 767 engines and again that is due to the general engine-out issue. As the A330 is a larger plane than the 767 the engines have to be larger to handle the engine-out on take-off rule. As such an A330 on engine-out could possibly handle a higher take-off weight than a 767 so TX could would be proportionally less affected than BW by weight restrictions.

The other thing to remember is there are more aspects to the cargo issue than first appear. SXM is not a major generator of air cargo though it is perhaps a reasonably-sized destination for same. As such the TX, AF and KL flights from there uplift little freight. While BW would not get freight from there, remember that their flights would start and end in POS which is a huge origin and destination for cargo. With BW having fewer resources and thus flights available between POS and LGW, the need to operate via weight-restricted SXM on some of their precious LGW rotations could prove a major financial liability. While KL and particularly AF bring down large quantities of cargo to the respective islands (CUR, AUA, BON and FDF, PTP respectively) they operate virtually every day, sometimes multiple flights, to those destinations. In fact, ORY - PTP and FDF are among the 10 busiest trans-Atlantic routes overall! BW simply do not have that capacity.

I think that SXM to LGW is a major gamble for BW and perhaps not a wise move given things right now.


Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10777 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20435 times:

Trintocan yes the A330 is more modern aircraft and slightly bigger so it will have a better performance albeit still being weight restrictions.

I do hope Caribbean Airlines gets the flight as it will mean nice aircraft photos in SXM in their hummingbird livery over Mahoo Beach 


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20433 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 19):

I will tend to agree with you on the BW gamble. They aren't a leisure airline and I don't see them offering what SXM wants. That is an ability to grow the UK market from its existing 14k, to a larger number.

Your point about the 767 engines was the answer that I was looking for. If the engines are weaker than the A330 then they cant service the route, because I don't see SXM wasting time to support the route for just a small number of passengers. Especially as BW is a risky proposition, given the uncertainties of its ability to attract the UK leisure traveler.

BW seem to want to justify the LGW route by looking to grow it, and that doesn't seem possible based on their POS/GEO markets. Of all the routes currently under review the LGW is probably being looked at most closely as it has the potential to be a huge money loser, if it isn't already. BW has probably grabbed as much market share as they can on these routes, which are also not growing.

They have been crowded out of the BGI, ANU, UVF, markets. TAB is dead, so they are looking at SXM, knowing that the island wants airlift out of the UK. And indeed has been trying to get it for at least 5 years now. The issue with POS originating travel and cargo is moot, because BW would be looking for this as a 4th frequency, and tying it with TAB, rather than POS. I don't think TAB can deliver passengers though. I mean if BA and VS have seen declining loads......!

As to BA. Well their LGW PUJ flights are now nonstop, effective winter 2014/15, which releases some opportunities for their flights down to ANU, which now continue on to other islands only 3X week. Maybe they can do a run to SXM 1-2X via ANU. They will definitely demand the revenue guarantee that they demand out of SKB. SXM may pay them too. SBH might be good fit for the high end UK market, and BA will be the perfect product to deliver it, via SXM, given the demographics of their premium passengers.

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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6758 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20376 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 19):
As the A330 is a larger plane than the 767 the engines have to be larger to handle the engine-out on take-off rule. As such an A330 on engine-out could possibly handle a higher take-off weight than a 767 so TX could would be proportionally less affected than BW by weight restrictions.

the 763s engine out performance is not far off of to a A332. It is better than a 333. Even the mighty 777 would take a penalty at SXM on takeoff due to engine out / terrain / range charts.

When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20346 times:

I assume that the current Acting CEO of BW, being a pilot, and probably having landed at SXM, will not be ignorant of the limitations of that airport. His mission is to turn around BW, so his focus will be (or should be) on not serving any route, unless it is profitable.

The issue, as I understand it, is that BWs LGW route, as it exists, isnt profitable. So for it to remain, they have to grow it. UK GEO travel is very small, and unlikely to grow, so even thougth BW is well placed to serve that route, it has limited potential.

POS will be divided between BA and BW. Each most likely serves its own market. BA offers good connections beyond LGW and a high frequency, and a strong brand. BW is nonstop and will enjoy the loyalty of much of the VFR market (such as it exists) as well as Trinis traveling to the UK. Many local (and Guyanese) business people are probably on its CaribbeanMiles program, so will prefer them.

BWs problem is that it has probably grabbed all the market share from BA that it can, so sees no growth prospects. So they are looking at TAB and SXM as possible growth points. TAB, for some reason, has seen a drastic drop in its international arrivals (60%), which is way beyond what can be explained by the current recession, or the APD. Even BA and VS have seen a sharp drops into TAB, so I really dont see what potential that leaves BW. If the big UK carriers, with their strong tour operator capabilities, cant save TAB, I dont see how BW could.

That leaves SXM, as BGI, ANU, and UVF have very heavy presence of BA, VS, and some charters, and so there is no room for BW. We have already discussed the risks of SXM for BW.

I am really not sure what kind of VFR market now exists out of the UK. The Caribbean descended population are now mainly UK born and/or bred. I dont know that BW can rely on them to be loyal, as they can among Caribbean populations in North America. This remains BWs core market. SXM will be 100% leisure, and the jury is out about whther BW can profitable service that market. They failed on the JFK ANU.

User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19941 times:

Any news on that?: "Tiara air of Aruba had its license revoked".

Source in papiamentu: http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-...8260-dca-tiara-air-no-por-bula-mas

25 dfwjim1 : In regards to SXM and the engine out issue, why not have the heavies take off on runway 28 to avoid the mountains?
26 AA1818 : HI all, So not really Caribbean Aviation related- I had my first ride in an A380! BA Biz Class POS-LGW (772), LHR-JNB (A380, JNB-LHR (744), LGW-POS (7
27 Post contains images A388 : Dfwjim1, the answer to your question is simple: there is a road passing that side of the runway that connects the city with the airport and vice versa
28 A388 : Does anyone know whether LIAT will stop flying to Curacao or not? For how long will Caribbean Airlines use their 767's? Is any of this news known by n
29 guyanam : One day when you notice that LI has stopped flying to CUR then you know they aren't going. They "temporarily" suspended service to NEV around Xmas, an
30 A388 : Guyanam, Thanks for the explanation. I assume your reply is only based on your opinion(?) Nobody here is aware of any cancellation to CUR. The decreas
31 LimaFoxTango : Yes LI did advise the Nevis govt of their cut in flights for their winter schedule. They were to return in mid Jan but clearly that hasn't happen. It
32 guyanam : Yes its my opinion. If LIATs CUR operations are profitable, it stays, if not it goes, if for no other reason than to communicate to people that they
33 817Dreamliiner : In addition to what A388 said, it would also depend on the winds. I don't have any numbers, but I doubt a widebody twin can take off from there with
34 Post contains links and images A388 : Well, it seems we have totally different opinions on LI stopping CUR. Please keep me informed about whether LI will stop flying to CUR or not and also
35 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : LIAT Appoints Mr. David Evans Chief Executive Officer ST. JOHN’S, Antigua, March 31, 2014 – The Board of Directors of LIAT – The Caribbean Airli
36 andrefranca : Quite impressive background, let's see how he'll handle LI, European managers are often "straight to the point". Any guesses? I do: he'll reduce flig
37 guyanam : If LI is operating routes that are social. i.e. having no ability to be profitable, the new CEO will be just the man to deal with this issue. Not bei
38 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : CAL flops on London route Caribbean Airlines’ route to London Gatwick has proven unsuccessful. So said Finance Minister Larry Howai in the Senate ye
39 Post contains images A388 : I think we are all anxious in seeing how each of their routes have performed and more importantly which routes will stay and which will go should tha
40 guyanam : Do you have a way of finding out what LIs loads to CUR are? That will determine if they drop CUR or not. And I mean at this time of the year. Not Jul
41 A388 : Unfortunately I don't have the loads but I heard it is about 50 percent but they also carry cargo on the flight which also seems to be good for LIAT.
42 2travel2know2 : Seems some CM people in GEO these days. Waiting to hear what they've to say about Guyana. Hope they don't miss visit to famous rum distillery.
43 guyanam : Well if LI makes money on the cargo that will offset the mediocre loads. April is probably high because of Easter. May has Jetblue with $421 and BW w
44 LimaFoxTango : I doubt LI carries that much cargo on its pax flights to offset any poor performing route. Not sure the numbers for CUR, but IMO, it does decent enou
45 guyanam : LIs problem on the CUR is that PY is the competition with jets and 3X per week. Given that a lot of people go to shop I can well imagine that PY has
46 yellowtail : Reported in another thread that VS has canned TAB.
47 guyanam : No surprise as TAB has seen a 60% slump in its foreign visitors over the last 5 years. Definitely more than any other Caribbean destination. Same bla
48 yellowtail : We to be fair their are incidents against tourists in the USA too…...
49 guyanam : That's true but people don't visit the USA for rest and tranquility, so a reputation for crime hurts the Caribbean more. Especially the smaller more
50 trintocan : BW already serve SXM and have done so for their entire existence. SXM is served on the POS - KIN runs. Predecessor BWIA started flying to SXM in the
51 Post contains images A388 : Trintocan I know Caribbean Airlines flies to SXM, as the discussion was about Caribbean Airlines flying from SXM to London I meant to see them fly the
52 Post contains links caribbean484 : We all knew that the route was going to be a flop from the beginning. This route was nothing short of politically motivated by a man that should not
53 BW424 : Ditto 484. I believe anyone following this forum shouldn't be surprised at this "revelation". Despite Minister Howai's most recent utterings concerni
54 guyanam : If they cut the 767 then they will need more 738s. If you look at their schedule for this summer the 738s are maxed out and that is with 767s 5x to G
55 trintocan : In part BW's retention of LHR at the beginning was a result of the Cricket World Cup being held in the West Indies during early 2007. BW closed the r
56 BW424 : Guyanam, yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that his statement concerning not cancelling the route is in response to a question. It was a 3 part questi
57 guyanam : What expansion do they really plan out of KIN? They have arrested their decline in market share, but I haven't seen evidence of an ability to regain
58 caribbean484 : Looking at the loads in the GDS they are doing well, but we have to remember we are in the busy period still and both airlines are enjoying a bit of
59 2travel2know2 : What would be the minimum crew rest time in LGW between POS-LGW and LGW-POS flight? Because if BW could fly POS-LGW and LGW-POS red-eyes both ways an
60 Post contains links caribbean484 : Some news across the region WINAIR discontinue service to Anguilla. "WINAIR has notified the Anguilla gov't and its handler in Anguilla that WINAIR wi
61 caribbean484 : 12hrs but in this case with 3w scheduled flights crew are staying over 2-3 days period, even if the flights are blocked at 19.3 hrs flying POS-LGW-PO
62 guyanam : If you do POS LGW red eyes both ways then the 767 will be idle all day at LGW. The crews will still need to rest, and be fully accommodated, but now
63 2travel2know2 : So the cost of keeping a BW B767 12+hours in LGW (plus crew on airport hotel) is far greater than what BW is spending accommodating its crew 2-3 days
64 Post contains images andrefranca : Once again Winair tries to take a larger step than their legs can afford. It was said here before. Sorry to tell you Mr. Gonçalves, but more and mor
65 Post contains links guyanam : WM wanted to do SJU AXA but apparently the US authorities haven't permitted them. At least not yet. Maybe the two US puddle jumpers blocked them, kno
66 caribbean484 : The Omni lease for the peak periods were not the problem, it was the continuous leases in both peak and off peak and then rotating a 767 3 times per
67 guyanam : The issue with JFK isn't that BW will have major problem with loads, even if they lose some passengers. Its that they will have less pricing power, a
68 vfw614 : Hom Many Dash 8 remain in LIAT service with now 10 ATRs on strength?
69 guyanam : I think that they now have 7 ATRs, and so are probably now operating 3-4 dash 8s. I don't think that they gotten rid of any yet.
70 vfw614 : Thanks. I misread this post... ... as 3 ATR42 and 7 ATR72, but at closer inspection it is 3 + 4.
71 2travel2know2 : Whenever BW decides to drop LGW and needs to move all those passengers who already have tickets, a BW B737-800 might well be ETOPS able to fly POS-YHZ
72 yellowtail : Cheaper to accommodate them on BA at an agreed upon negotiated rated.
73 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Just saw this on facebook, thought it was interesting so I thought I would share. Not sure if its flymontserrat organizing this, but its good to see t
74 Post contains images andrefranca : I'm still waiting for my SXM-MNI nonstop, Can't accept I'll need to detour in ANU if I really make it!
75 Post contains images A388 : 817Dreamliiner, I came across you in the 787 production/delivery thread: https://twitter.com/SonicStar817 Now I see where you get all the juicy and la
76 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Lol, yup that's me Twitter is pretty useful for finding out the latest in anything really, just that my main focus is the aviation side of it. I also
77 Post contains images A388 : That is great 817Dreamliiner. I can imagine you can get the latest information through twitter. I might join twitter in the future, who knows. I'm loo
78 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Just an update to this. It seems FlyMontserrat are indeed behind this, and this is part of their efforts to promote Montserrat as a tourist destinati
79 A388 : No problem my friend. I also have little time to go spotting but every once in a while when something interesting shows up you will find me at the ai
80 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Insel to begin flying to GEO. http://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/new...-airline-to-begin-operations-here/ GUYAIR707
81 Post contains images yellowtail : Carriers are jumping over themselves to get into GEO
82 beeweel15 : Would anyone here fly in and out of Islip airport in long island ny to get to the caribbean
83 2travel2know2 : Is ISP really planning to have an in-terminal F.I.S.? One has to take into account the demographics of Suffolk and Nassau counties on Long Island to
84 Post contains links and images A388 : Guys, due to a bussy day at work I couldn't post this earlier but two days ago a new cargo airline arrived in Curacao (21 Air). See my photo here: Vie
85 Post contains links BW985 : Tobago flight makes news in the UK. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ell-British-Barbados-tourists.html BW985
86 Post contains images yellowtail : 9N getting new aircraft? This popped up on the internet today.
87 Post contains links caribbean484 : Lawmakers debate Cayman Airways losses For the second time in a week, opposition lawmakers on Friday railed against the government’s continuing appr
88 vfw614 : Have any more news surfaced about why BVI Airways was purchased by the unnamed New York-based "investment bank"? I am still at a loss why an investmen
89 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : He's not a usual contributor, but i've just found out that SA7700 (the original poster of this thread, part 109) has passed away. My condolences to hi
90 guyanam : Rumors are that BW canceled or severely delayed flights to GEO MIA JFK and YYZ to fly jets to TAB. Trinis delayed. Guyanese left stranded. Ground crew
91 andrefranca : No wonder why CM flights bound to PTY- beyond promo fares are gone already! I believe soon B6 will be knocking on GEO 's doors.
92 Post contains images andrefranca : Just from their Facebook page: Tropic Air getting different wings! Source: https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1535713_10152360608
93 Post contains images A388 : Thanks for the link 817Dreamliiner, I didn't know SA7700 passed away. This indeed is very sad news. A388
94 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Published today in Guyana Times: http://www.guyanatimesgy.com/?p=59006 GUYAIR707
95 guyanam : I suspect that Travelspan is having more impact on fares than COPA. Travelspan will have 4x 767 nonstops to JFK this summer, not far below what DL off
96 Post contains images yellowtail : 9Ns new aircraft.... Can BZE GCM be on their radar. Would be doable with this
97 Post contains links BW424 : If true, this is very very disappointing. These people can't seem to keep their hands off the airline. In other news, CAPA has once again produced an
98 guyanam : On BWs facebook there are Guyanese pleading to find out what happened to the 606 GEO YYZ which was canceled. Then the 484 and 524 arrived from GEO, b
99 txkf2010 : To hide money from Uncle Sam
100 Post contains images andrefranca : Not only GCM, I bet KIN or MBJ are under their radar as well!
101 2travel2know2 : The Trini government won't lose anything sending a delegation to CM headquarters to ask that airline if there's any interest to manage BW in exchange
102 guyanam : Those JGFK GEO CM fares are way over what every one else is charging. Unless BW is full I don't see why anyone will take the long detour at those pri
103 Post contains images yellowtail : 9Ns King Air…..will be put on BZE-CUN/RTB
104 AA1818 : I just noticed on Wikipedia (not the best source- I know) that Venezolana and Conviasa fly to Maturin. Are those new routes? How often do they fly to
105 Post contains images andrefranca : I'm anxious to see him in action! want to see LI strong and expanding to South America!
106 Post contains images guyanam : . His problem will be keeping LI alive after SVD gets its airport next year, and so no longer needs them. Then only DOM will have a crying need for LI
107 A388 : I don't see LIAT disappearing to be honest. If things are really that bad they will start with downsizing. No airline is shutting down entirely befor
108 guyanam : They can "disappear" like BWIA did. A newer leaner replacement with no unions and only select routes. And with BW playing an expanded role, rather th
109 A388 : Okay that is a different meaning of the term disappearing. Let's see what will happen. I'm still anxiously awaiting the decision at LIAT regarding po
110 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : N87303, a United Express E175 with "new style" winglets passed thru ANU today on its way to FLL. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ai...-embraer-rolls
111 817Dreamliiner : No pics?
112 Post contains images LimaFoxTango : That was a fail on my part. Was driving when I saw it on the runway. I did pull over though, but didn't think to take pics.
113 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : No worries
114 Post contains images Inbound : UA has been using the 738s with the split Scimitar winglets IAH-POS for a few weeks now. Sorry though, no pics either
115 A388 : Last sunday Copa Airlines used their 738 with the split scimitar winglets to Curacao. Registration was HP-1836CMP. I took pictures of it but the weath
116 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Had a flight test course yesterday where we were flight testing a Jetstream 31 owned by Cranfield University. The aircraft was G-NFLA (which interesti
117 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Insel announces special fares from GEO: http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...insel-air-announces-special-fares/ Travelspan adds 763 to GEO-JFK route
118 A388 : That is great my friend. What type of study do you actually do? Cheers, A388
119 817Dreamliiner : Aeronautical Engineering.
120 BW424 : One interesting point to note is that this B763 has an identical interior to BW's B763s as it's also an ex LA bird.
121 GUYAIR707 : Flew up yesterday on BW526 (GEO-JFK). The interior (LHR) is a bit tired now, but workable. Service was good although they got my food order wrong. BW
122 guyanam : With Travelspan running 5X this summer I don't think that there will be a shortage of seats to JFK. FlyJ has also received an additional plane so the
123 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Stumbled across this a while ago. Some rare photos of aircraft at ANU: http://www.facebook.com/SelectahJuni...3514774620.139783.510999620&type=3
124 A388 : Guys, Boeing will be doing test flights from Curacao in the coming six days. A 787-9 (ZB197) will be used and ETA in Curacao is expected between 20:00
125 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Its on the way, ETA 20 40 your time. http://fr24.com/BOE197
126 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : And here it is, photo by A388:
127 yellowtail : Or US West coast. LAS, LAX etc are all viable options from GEO via PTY.
128 Post contains images A388 : Hey 817Dreamliiner, thanks for posting my photo here A388
129 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Copa advertising from US $150 GEO-PTY. Check page 17. http://issuu.com/gxmedia/docs/may072014?e=4702837/7759691 GUYAIR707
130 A388 : My latest photo of the 787-9 in Curacao: https://twitter.com/RCAviation39/status/464393995507228673/photo/1 Cheers, A388
131 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : http://www.anpanama.com/2405-Panama-...os.note.aspx#.U3FJdbEUjOM.facebook from ANPnews panama website. Panama and Barbados to sign aviation bilateral.
132 GUYAIR707 : Anyone knows why BW526 is cancelled for today May 14 GEO-JFK? GUYAIR707
133 NASCARAirforce : An ironic title to the thread due to the terminal fire today at MBJ
134 turk223 : I don't understand any of this! From what the press has reported since 2006, "service between Barbados and Panamá is on the VERGE of happening..." I
135 caribbean484 : Caribbean Airlines appoints new CEO & CFO Mr. Michael DiLollo is appointed as the Chief Executive Officer of Caribbean Airlines. Mr. DiLollo has c
136 BW424 : Probably the best news coming out of CAL in a very long time. The appointment is one thing; however, it's left to be seen if the GORTT will give him
137 caribbean484 : Could not have said it better; it is the best news from CAL since the change in board in 2010 and Mr DiLollo has a lot of successful experience in ex
138 westindian425 : Been a minute since I've been on here! Hey guys! CAL has a new CEO?! And he's competent?! He's from Air Transat?! *clap..clap...clap* Wait...will Kaml
139 Post contains links b757lvr : There's news of Jetblue adding a Saturday only flight fron BOS to UVF staring November 1st. This would be the very first nonstop scheduled flight betw
140 windian425 : Perhaps with a new CEO CAL can look at resuming service from BGI to MIA/FLL, JFK, YYZ and even LGW.
141 andrefranca : Very unlikely IMHO, I guess they'll stick to the "milk cow" first and after making some $$$ then they may take the risk.
142 guyanam : The only possible route ex BGI is JFK. And that depends on if any carrier fills the AA gap. MIA is too dominated by AA. When JM flew FLL BGI they fai
143 BW424 : B6 slowly but surely continues to entrench themselves in the Caribbean; however, the supreme presence is still arguably held by AA. I'll certainly li
144 caribbean484 : The only routes I know they are seriously looking at are the BGI-JFK(due to scale and BGI offering incentives), and the POS-SVG route. Nothing else i
145 guyanam : If your rumors are correct about the 738s on the GEO JFK then LGW is over, because they cant keep the 767s for just one route. I assume that they wil
146 windian425 : Is CAL really doing a nonstop GEO-YYZ flight with the B738 reliably?? These flights must be seriously weight restricted.
147 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : For the record compare with another long route flown with B737-800 by CM: EZE (34°49'20"S 58°32'09"W) PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 331.7° (NW) 331
148 guyanam : They are doing GEO YYZ nonstop with 738s. Dont know if there are any baggage issues, or whether they can use all 154 seats. Some time ago they stoppi
149 westindian425 : Not long-winded at all. Your post was spot on. Are you guys hearing anything from CAL staff members as to what they think of the new selection?
150 Post contains links guyanam : http://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/opi...s/05/23/lousy-service-cal-timehri/ This is why so many Guyanese hate CAL. Flight delayed due to mechanical issu
151 adamh8297 : B6 has done good on JFK-UVF and they must have seen a lot of BOS connections going through and decided to give it a shot. They also have added Saturd
152 guyanam : These airlines don't go into small markets without guarantees. Apparently ANU decided to give AA the guarantee instead of B6 on the JFK ANU. I guess
153 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : I don't know why CAL dropped the ball with that flight, but my wife and son were on BW 526 last Wednesday and the flight was cancelled due to mechani
154 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : http://www.stabroeknews.com/2014/media/photos/05/24/touchdown-2/ Liat lands with ATR at OGL for first time. GUYAIR707
155 LimaFoxTango : First "ATR 72" flight actually. The -42 has been a few times already.
156 adamh8297 : I meant seasonal as well for BOS-ANU! Just November-April if it were to happen (a la BOS-UVF/POP/LIR SXM + PLS get a few extra weeks and frequencies)
157 guyanam : The issue is that the other destination which have seasonal BOS service, also have year round JFK service. Don't think that B6 will go to the trouble
158 GUYAIR707 : From what I was told, everyone got a voucher, accommodations, and transportation. Princess gave pretty much whatever food they wanted. I have to say
159 BW424 : We can conclude it is a hit and miss. Regardless, their product needs to be consistent across the board. From my BW experiences, I haven't had any pr
160 beeweel15 : Out of curiosity can a ERJ175 or ERJ190 land at Olge airport ?
161 A388 : Beeweel15 have you read the article? A388
162 guyanam : Doubt it. The ATR 72 was only just certified to land. BW 424, were all of those albino planes painted in the Air J colors? I didn't think that so man
163 BW424 : Yes, 4 of the 6 albino aircraft were formerly in full JM livery 9Y-JMA 9Y-JMF 9Y-JME 9Y-JMC (soon to return to service) So out of the 6 current ones,
164 Post contains links and images A388 : Here's JMC in better days when it still had some nice colors: View Large View MediumPhoto © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography A388
165 infiniti329 : Do we finally see the air jamaica brand disappear?
166 LimaFoxTango : I interpret that question to mean if it is theorically possible to land an ERJ 170/190 at OGL and not if it's certified to land there. After all, the
167 AA1818 : I suspect the writing is on the wall for the JM brand. My guess is that there will be no more JM painted birds by the end of this year and they will
168 BW424 : I also echo the opinion expressed by AA1818. The brand is gradually being retired in the interest of good business sense. This was the plan from the
169 caribbean484 : What was mentioned early this year, is that CAL was looking at ending the services by year's end or when the lease of the 767 ends. What we do know i
170 A388 : It shouldn't be that dificult to determine. They need to calculate what costs they will have if they keep flying those 767's until the contract expir
171 guyanam : Running 2 767s only 3X to LGW makes no such sense. They aren't ready to axe LGW, but the indications that this is the case. Probably by Sept to allow
172 A388 : Out of the top of my head Caribbean Airlines flies to MIA, FLL, JFK and YYZ, is that correct? Based on what I read in the forum here, the FLL route i
173 guyanam : One big advantage of dropping the AJ brand is that they will not have the JA gov't harassing them to provide service which isn't profitable. So let u
174 BW424 : Exactly. However, I've heard rumours of the GORTT returning the 767s after the general election (under the assumption of an election win). Certainly
175 Post contains images caribbean484 : Crews from the 767 are already being retrained and transition is ongoing. Not sure how the plan will go, we will have to wait 12 months to see the ac
176 guyanam : Well what ever the deal is Jamaicans never warmed up to BW. It is now behind B6 and AA in market share on the KIN USA routes, and falls far behind AC
177 skystar767 : It's sad how we as Caribbean /West Indians would not support our own airlines.
178 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : UAE in talks to bring airline to Guyana as per following article: http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...-talks-to-bring-airline-to-guyana/ I am assum
179 LimaFoxTango : Oddly enough I don't think it use to be that way. Long before the likes of B6, WS, NK, BA, VS, AA, old BW (and JM to a lesser extent) was the only ai
180 guyanam : Indeed the days of brand loyalty have gone. The problem with Caribbean carriers is that they don't have proper protocols when things go wrong. So the
181 AA1818 : I'm being a bit mischievous, but I disagree. The days of brand loyalty are healthier and more kickin' than ever! I'm very loyal to AA/ oneworld becau
182 caribbean484 : There are many ways why Caribbean Carriers are having problems: 1) AA1818 said brand loyalty is healthier, however data does not support that and the
183 2travel2know2 : Everybody is talking to the U.A.E., EK or ET these days.
184 guyanam : Just an agreement signed with UAE. I doubt any of those airlines will do GEO as there isnt any business. GRU has three flights per day on various Mid
185 A388 : That article is just politics, nothing more. Don't read into it or stare at it too much. A388
186 GUYAIR707 : No I got that I was just thinking how that would work if it was to happen, I guess I didn't make it clear. GUYAIR707
187 skystar767 : EK/QR/EY would never ever fly to Guyana. That is all bs on the part of the guyanese tourist board. I can see EK BGI/KIN or even POS in the Caribbean b
188 A388 : Well, what can BGI and KIN offer these airlines? A388
189 LimaFoxTango : I'd also ask what can POS offer to make service there attractive or profitable? They're still waiting on those flights from India.[Edited 2014-06-02
190 A388 : Yes, true. I would just want to know the reasoning behind BGI and KIN being better able to have such flights. I personally don't see this and don't s
191 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Dynamic Airways to start JFK-GEO-JFK flights. As per the article below, they did charters for EZjet and realized the potential on the route. Reminds o
192 2travel2know2 : I'm trying to remember, When CM started POS was that fuss over-there with NYC traffic flying CM via PTY as big as it's now in GEO? CM is opening GEO
193 westindian425 : How are things going with Air Caribes and Cayman Airways?
194 BW424 : No fuss at all. Actually, CM had to go on a marketing blitz supported by the then GORTT to raise awareness of the CM operation. The GORTT actually gu
195 beeweel15 : I dont think they will be at a disadvantage because there are a lot of folks from Guyana and the Caribbean living out on the west coast of the USA an
196 guyanam : He meant COPA will be at a disadvantage on the NYC GEO route, this accounting for the bulk of the USA GEO travel.
197 Post contains links and images A388 : Guys finally my first photo came through. See my photo of the NH 787-9 here in CUR: View Large View MediumPhoto © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviatio
198 GUYAIR707 : Really nice pic. GUYAIR707
199 beeweel15 : They wont be at a disadvantage here also. Although the numbers would be small there will be a gfew that will make the connection to get to GEO. I rem
200 guyanam : CMs JFK GEO fare is very high. Its obvious that they aren't targeting this market, except for folks who really want the PTY stop. With Dynamic runnin
201 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Here's a video I found of an AA 737 parking at the new terminal in ANU. The video states that they got new tugs and were testing them. http://www.yout
202 A388 : Nice video my friend and thanks for sharing it here. I think those glass bridges are more expensive and should the glass break it might be more costl
203 A388 : By the way, the space between those bridges at the new ANU terminal looks pretty tight. Can it only accomodate widebody aircraft at the right side of
204 817Dreamliiner : Yes but I'd prefer to walk through a glass one to be honest (makes getting regs more easier) No I don't sorry. Honestly, im not even sure any can par
205 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : CAL looking to expand Caribbean routes according to this report: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lates...aribbean-Airlines-expanding-routes I get the i
206 abrelosojos : = How is it impressive? None of the airlines he commandeered are around any longer ... Saludos, Alex
207 guyanam : I was actually at her presentation (Alicia Cabrera). The quote about "expanding" is actually being exaggerated by the media. She said that they are a
208 Post contains images A388 : Guys, I will going on a short tour on the Arkefly 787 tomorrow when it will arrive here in Curacao for the first time. We will be flying to Bonaire an
209 Post contains links BW424 : New thread up. Summertime - Caribbean Aviation Thread 110 (by BW424 Jun 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)
210 N312RM : By all accounts, KX is doing quite well. Financially, I understand that Q1 was the best in history, they even made a little money (after subsidy of c
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