KHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1613 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
Speaking of PIA livery....i do think they should remove the PIA acronym from the tail and replace it with some Pakistani or Islamic symbol. Also i think there should be more Urdu written on the plane....if you look at airlines of Arab countries, the arabic on the plane looks beautiful....Urdu would look just as good......infact the only Urdu on PIA planes is infact the acronym PIA itself....!! And that too is soo tiny and little.....What do you guys think?
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16125 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
I disagree with more Urdu script. PIA already has the Pakistani market wrapped up....but it has problems attracting Western customers....as does Air-India. The PIA flights for instance out of YYZ (Toronto) are almost exclusively ethnic Pakistani traffic...despite having FFR thru cities such as MAN, JFK, FRA. PIA just does not seem to be a flying option for non-Pakistanis.
More Urdu script would not attract any more Pakistani customers. Maintaining/re-emphasizing the English PIA script will help attract a wider customer base.
Other national carriers from countries with non-Roman alphabets commonly use English script only.....examples include Korean Air, JAL, Cathay, China AL, Thai, Singapore,....there are many examples.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
I agree with KHI747 that the PIA acronym should be dropped and with Yyz717 regarding attracting more non-Pakistani customers, but since the airline is financially constrained its bets that they stick with either the present look, upgrade it a bit by painting the engines Green too, adjust the size of the "Pakistan" title as some 742 and the 743 are wearing larger versions with a thicker font while the rest of the fleet has still got the older thinner font style as can be seen in the photos of the A310 and the 747 in the posts above, also the Urdu logo on 747s should be brought down to the below window level like on the other aircraft and again the size adjusted accordingly.
GF-A330 my mail was for you to write a letter to Ahmed Saeed requesting him to have all of the planes in PK's fleet painted in their full livery as the two distinct versions being worn at present really look bad, being a businessman he should know that a good image counts, so if you can then please write to him, not email, but write or type a letter to send they never respond to emails, heres teh link to my post about the floral tail on silver, Air Orange was kind enough to do it but with his own floral version as he could not download PIA's one on the Adobe Illustrator http://airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/561596/4/
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
Yar you can send the idea across to the M.D, but you must mention Air Orange's company name for the credit, just incase they want to contact him to design a new livery, I have mailed you the address, hope you have recieved it by now, as for the activity at the airport, I have no idea, havent been there since the Sept 11th incidenst, but do know that the army is there and you have to check in three hours before departure for all flights, KHI except for some areas is relatively calm, what you see on TV is just pockets of trouble by an extreme minority
KHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1613 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1103 times:
I do not know how more Urdu can discourage non-pakistanis or even encourage Pakistanis......its just a symbolic thing....infact it is something that alot of people appreciate........Look at GF and EK.......are the only pax travelling on them arabs because they have arabic text on the planes .........??!!!!
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
Actually if its tasefully done then theres no harm, but I definitely do not like the whole Arabic stories written on the planes of some Arab countries, like Syrian Air, Kuwait Airways, it takes away from the livey and design, the only ones I find tolerable are RJ, MS, EK and GF, did you know when PIA was formed they actually carried Urdu titles spelling out "Pakistan International", sorry to say so but it looked hideous and I hope PIA never bring that back
KHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1613 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
Ofcourse i mean in tandem........when i said PIA should have what airlines like GF and EK have......that is exactly what i meant.....if you look at the liveries of Emirates, Gulfair and Saudi Arabian.......they have both arabic and english written toghether........i do'nt know how much of a wrong message people have taken by reading "Al-Emarat" on every Emirates plane......not much i'd say its one of the more international carriers.
Just the purpose of the arabic.....Urdu in PIA's case......it just symbolises pride in identity.
KHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1613 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1061 times:
Relax Yyz717......i dont think that for the vast majority of the pax it even matters whats written on the fuselage.......let alone language. Do you think anything more then 10% of the pax have even an idea what plane they are on...
The Script is just a symbolic thing.....i defines the identity. So what if Pakistan is poor.....Urdu is still its language. And i dont understand whats your point of argument when i have given you so many examples of airlines that do display arabic text on their planes......doesnt scare away no one much the same way it doesnt attract many people necesarrily. It will surely make the planes look better.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16125 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1040 times:
If PIA wants to appeal more to the mainstream world traveller and gain more non-Pakistani customers, a re-emphasis of the Urdu script is not the way to go.
It's an English-speaking world out there for intl travel. PIA has serious image problems wherever it flies.....improving its schedules, on-time record, aircraft interiors....are what's needed. Not focusing on Urdu script that no non-Pakistanis would ever understand.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.