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User currently offlineNYC Int'l From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 881 times:

Does anyone know why US Airways went completly AIRBUS? Do they have any intrest in anything in the boeing line? Most US carriers who have bought airbus jets bought only narrow bodies

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User currently offlineMarkus From United States of America, joined May 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (15 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 873 times:

From what I've read they are Airbus ALL the way...319, 320, possibly 321's. They will also fly the 330 by 2000. They currently have no Boeing orders.

Cheers,
Markus


User currently offlineTAD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 873 times:

US Airways and Boeing don't like each other. It goes back to some 757 and 737 orders that were deferred several times and then canceled by US Airways. Boeing sued them over the issue.

TAD


User currently offlinejz From United States of America, joined May 1999, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 873 times:

The most important technical reason is that Airbus has common cockpit layout for A/319/A320/A330/A340 fleet. This means a pilot qualified on A320 can fly A330 with minimum amount of training, and vise versa. This reduces the training cost and give the airlines a lot of flexibility in crew scheduling. Boeing's cockpit commonality is not as extensive as Airbus'. 757 and 767 have common cockpit. But the NG737 is not compatible with the larger jets. Being mostly a short-hual operator, if US Airways buys Boeing products, it has to keep 2 groups of pilots for NG737 and the bigger Boeings.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (15 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 873 times:

US Airways didn't order Boeing because the two are not best of friends. US Airways deferred B737 orders several times and then cancelled them due to lack of money. They then ordered Airbus later in the year. Boeing sued US Airways and won their claim that US Airways did have the money to buy but just wanted a cheaper price. Boeing would not nock down their 737NG price like Airbus did to their products for the deal and wouldn't speed up delivery time. As for the cockpit commonality, I only know of two airlines that do it and that is all.It is basically PR.


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User currently offlineNYC Int'l From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 875 times:

When you speek of cockpit commonality on an airbus do you mean an A320 pilot can be put on an a340 the next day with no additional training at all?

Also is Boeing planning to introduce more flightdeck commonality beyond the 737NGs and 757/767?


User currently offlineJordan Withersp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 873 times:

I thought this was strange too........

I read a great artivle in the latest Airways........

It mentioned that USAirways will be ordering A330's to replace the 767's on European routes, they said they wont drop the 767's completely, the 767's will be used on less traveled routes such as Glasgow and Manchester.......

They have ordered 124 A320's, 116 to be confirmed, 160 options
7 A330's, 7 to be confirmed, 16 options
--Captain Witherspoon


User currently offlinePhilly Phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (15 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 873 times:

Four words - Delivery time and money.

Airbus was able to deliver the narrow bodies up to 18 months faster and Airbus gave away the farm (financially) on the deal. This has the potential (if US Airways exercises all options) to be the biggest deal Airbus has made by quite a margin and Airbus was hungry to break-out of seeing Boeing get all the big orders. Boeing had just inked the deals with American, Continental and Delta and had purchased MD, so Airbus was prime to make a big deal to avoid getting shut-out of the American market. Wolfe at US Airways took advantage of the timing to make a deal.

As to the "bad blood" between US Airways and Boeing, the order cancelled originally was for deliveries in the early nineties when then USAir was almost ready to fold from overexpansion and lack of cost control. [It was a pretty sick carrier at that time in terms of finances.] Boeing was using the lawsuit to try to force US Airways to buy old technology 737s (not 737NGs) and 757s. In the late nineties when US Airways was healthy again, Boeing refused to back down from its lawsuit. If Boeing had been able to offer faster delivery times (too big a backlog) and better economic incentives (Boeing made the decision not to "buy" business) then they would have gotten the initial narrow-body order.

Boeing and US Airways reached agreement to settle the suit prior to the wide-body order, but Airbus already had their foot in the door and got the wide-body order anyway.


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