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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 74905 times:
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 2 (by LipeGIG Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 3 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 5 (by SA7700 Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 6 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 7 (by SA7700 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 8 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 9 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 10 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 11 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 12 (by SA7700 Mar 10 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 13 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 15 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 11 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 16 (by SA7700 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 17 (by 777ER Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 18 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 12 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 19 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 20 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 21 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 22 (by SA7700 Mar 13 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 23 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 25 (by SA7700 Mar 14 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 26 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27 (by SA7700 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 28 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 29 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 30 (by SA7700 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 31 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 16 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 32 (by ManuCH Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 33 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 17 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 34 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 35 (by SA7700 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 18 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37 (by SA7700 Mar 19 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory

MISSING MH370: ACARS cannot be disabled

MISSING MH370: Search for missing aircraft above politics: Hishamuddin


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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 75084 times:

A glimmer of Hope!!

http://www.emirates247.com/news/stud...0-on-satellite-2014-03-19-1.542241



Always look on the bright side of Life!
User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 74957 times:

Was just pondering:

Does Diego Garcia have a mobile phone/cellphone network. If not might explain why no passengers have been able to make contact............

(if that particular theory were true)



I don't proclaim to be the best pilot in the world but I'm safe
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 74972 times:

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 2):
Was just pondering:

Does Diego Garcia have a mobile phone/cellphone network. If not might explain why no passengers have been able to make contact............

(if that particular theory were true)

Good lord...



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 74843 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
A glimmer of Hope!!

http://www.emirates247.com/news/stud...0-on-satellite-2014-03-19-1.542241

1. We've already talked about that pic a few threads ago.
2. It doesn't look like a 777.
3. It is probably a plane in flight.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineLindenwold From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 74691 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):

3 or 4 days old.


User currently offline777Jet From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 74603 times:

From mercure1 in the last thread:

"The latest bloomberg article has the following: "The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."

Based on my own calculations, this would give it apprx 8hrs (480min) total range for this aircrafts vintage, climbing and then flying along at M.84/485TAS @ Opt FLs.
TOW 223.5t
ZFW ~ 174.4t (payload ~25.4t)
OFF fuel 49.1t

The 777-200ER T892 will burn apprx 6.1t per hour on avg, at those wts and FLs.

VAMPI would likely be reach 82min after takeoff, via the DCT PIBOS R208 IGARI DCT VAMPI routing.
398min (6.6hrs) range from VAMPI @ 485KTAS = 3217nm . Heck thats almost to the Kerguelen Islands."



@ mercure1 - If correct, that is the info some of us have been waiting for! It is just amazing how long it took to release it as it would have been easy to access for MAS.



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User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 74024 times:

Breaking: India has just been given specific coordinates to search by Malaysia.


I don't proclaim to be the best pilot in the world but I'm safe
User currently offlineLindenwold From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 73698 times:

This Pakistan thing just won't quit.

Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m
@ryangrannand My primary DHS source says that they have a briefing indicating DoD has reason to believe #MH370 “could’ve landed in Pakistan”

What if?!?!


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3606 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 73548 times:

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 8):
What if?!?!

In the absence of negative evidence...

Any possible theory is going to be investigated, especially by the US, which obviously has reason to investigate such implausible theories. 9/11 was pretty implausible before it happened too.

(Again, this is not to say I think this theory is true. But I understand why it's being treated seriously.)

[Edited 2014-03-19 19:02:15]


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User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 73342 times:

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 8):
Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m
@ryangrannand My primary DHS source says that they have a briefing indicating DoD has reason to believe #MH370 “could’ve landed in Pakistan”

This guy is an absolute tool. I wish people would stop giving him hits. That is all he is after, terrible reporting is a far second.

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 2):

Was just pondering:

Does Diego Garcia have a mobile phone/cellphone network. If not might explain why no passengers have been able to make contact............

(if that particular theory were true)

Couldn't tell you, but it is home to thousands of US Navy/Air Force personnel. I'm guessing that someone would have a pretty good idea if MH370 landed on the only airfield, which, by the way, is also controlled by the military. Can we please put Diego Garcia to rest? It's more ridiculous than #370 in Pakistan.



Cha brro
User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 73197 times:

Quoting Lindenwold (Reply 8):
Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 2m
@ryangrannand My primary DHS source says that they have a briefing indicating DoD has reason to believe #MH370 “could’ve landed in Pakistan”

What if?!?!

yeah and if it turns out to be true...then what?! I'm telling you guys, FWF has been ahead of others for a while now. Its the same thing the retired General said on Faux News last night.


User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 73206 times:

From the previous thread:

Quoting Shmendr:
Finally, does the US DOD show the current position of its aircraft carriers?


As has been said... no the DoD does not advertise the exact positions. However, this website usually is kept up to date and is accurate. Looks like the closest carrier would be the Truman in the Arabian Sea.


http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html



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User currently offlinedampfnudel From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 72846 times:

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 7):
Breaking: India has just been given specific coordinates to search by Malaysia.

I'm curious if it's in the Bay of Bengal or on land. On an additional note, I've played every Flight Simulator game since Flight Simulator 2 on my Commodore 64 when I was a kid (aging myself here). The only time I ever deleted anything was when I deleted the whole program so I could install a newer version. I don't believe hard drive space was the reason for the deletion of those specific routes he tried. Maybe it could've been some "house-cleaning" for improved performance of FSX, but I'm just guessing there. I just know I never deleted any routes I tried, either through the program itself or manually going into the Flight Simulator folder to delete them.


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 72850 times:

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 10):
This guy is an absolute tool. I wish people would stop giving him hits. That is all he is after, terrible reporting is a far second.

an absolute tool that so far, has been pretty right in what has come up in the media days later. He isn't just making up stuff from what i can tell now.


User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4375 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 72406 times:

What is with this flying with fish worship? Jesus. Maying these forums unreadable. He has been about as useful as a nun's tits.


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User currently offlineflyenthu From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 72370 times:
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Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
A glimmer of Hope!!

Not an MAS aircraft.


User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 72255 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 14):
an absolute tool that so far, has been pretty right in what has come up in the media days later. He isn't just making up stuff from what i can tell now.

Never said he made anything up, but what makes what he is tweeting "pretty right?" Is that what we are aiming for these days? If he tweets enough crap, he will eventually be right. On the other hand, how do you know that he has broken stories before every other media outlet?



Cha brro
User currently offline65mustang From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 72141 times:
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Quoting dampfnudel (Reply 13):

Do you recognize the airport on the screen of the pilots simulator shown in this photo?

http://www.x-sim.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20&start=110#p3972


User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 72124 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 1):
A glimmer of Hope!!

http://www.emirates247.com/news/stud...0-on-satellite-2014-03-19-1.542241

Was posted in one of the early threads. Definitely not a 777 and said plane is in flight. If this plane had crashed, it would be broken into pieces and would not be laying on top of trees.



Cha brro
User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4375 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 71631 times:

Quoting 65mustang (Reply 18):

Do you recognize the airport on the screen of the pilots simulator shown in this photo?

Looks like AMS to me.



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3606 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 71632 times:

Quoting dampfnudel (Reply 13):
On an additional note, I've played every Flight Simulator game since Flight Simulator 2 on my Commodore 64 when I was a kid (aging myself here). The only time I ever deleted anything was when I deleted the whole program so I could install a newer version.

It depends on how you play. If you're heavily into modding (installing realistic flight traffic or scenery, for example), you would delete a *ton* of stuff, because a lot of things conflict, and when you install something new, you often have to delete something old. Sometimes the only thing you can do is pretty much delete everything and start over. I've learned with FS9 and FSX to save *all* of my downloaded files in case I ever need them again (which I often do) and the original downloads are not available anymore (a lot of FS web sites have been disappearing over time). That's because I often have to start fresh with the newest stuff.

I personally believe this to have been a deliberate act by somebody, but I also believe this focus on the captain's FS fandom is a dead end. I don't know exactly what they say he deleted, but I've been reading and watching media reports about this that are just ridiculous. One report I read said "Flight Simulator programs typically record a replay of each flight" - my FSX never did this, you have to turn it on. Could they be thinking he deleted something because he just never turned it on? I saw another TV report that asked "Who actually has a flight simulator IN THEIR HOUSE?" Ummm, lots of people. It's called a computer, running one of the most popular games of all time going back almost 30 years. Several others have said the captain had a "custom flight simulator" - no he didn't, he had a computer with multiple monitors. Again, not uncommon. Are most web designers potential terrorists too?

To me it sounds a lot like when people say a guy who shoots a bunch of people with an assault rifle liked to play "Doom". Yeah, so what? Lots of people like to play "Doom" (or did, like 20 years ago). That's not what makes a person go and kill a bunch of people. The media and law enforcement, in the absence of any other new evidence, are just looking for anything even slightly outside the mainstream to blame this on.



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User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 70575 times:

Having done my best to read all 38 threads, and having seen all that the news stations have to say, I shall let Frank Conniff, known to many as "TV's Frank" from Mystery Science Theater 3000 sum it up perfectly:



While the speculation is pretty interesting to watch and unfold, the fact it's still lost, and the people on board are either dead or in great peril, Mostly, it seems to be recycled information rehashed to fill time.

On the flip side, I think we'll see the longest CivAv thread in A.net history.

Just my little    to all this.

Carry on and have a nice day.



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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 69800 times:

Can anyone explain this map from NBC?
http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc...3-MAPPPPP.530x298.jpg?v=1394881666

Article here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101503406

The "northern path" here seems to indicate the Malaysian radar data was a red herring, and that the plane went over Thailand... if it went north. South is also incompatible with the Malaysian radar data. I dunno... maybe the map's crap.


User currently offlinefooflyboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 69609 times:

Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 22):
recycled information rehashed to fill time.

...an excellent slogan for the news networks.


25 flybeq400 : Apparently Australian PM announcing they have found some debris possibly related to MH370. "Aus. PM: Satellite has detected objects 'possibly related'
26 rfields5421 : Diego Garcia is a British Territory with several hundred British civilians working on the island group. Cable & Wireless runs the local Diego Gar
27 specks159 : AMSA is apparently holding a press conference at 3:30 AEDT on the issue.
28 747megatop : The grim and unfortunate thing though is 38 threads and all we know is that MH 370 is missing. No difference between the 38th thread reply 24 and 1st
29 hivue : Basically just the SATCOM arcs that have been discussed to death on this forum. See rcair1's sanity check.
30 hivue : Source?
31 ciaran : Breaking BBC News hour Confirmed Last ping was received 08:11 am Malaysian time, on satellite prescribed path discussed before. Australians have narro
32 PHX787 : I'll believe them more than I'll believe India, Pakistan, or Malaysia. But I hope this doesn't turn out to be more sea junk. Any more deets?
33 wxmeddler : AP 11:13pm via SocialFlow BREAKING: Australian PM: 2 objects in search for Malaysian jet may have been found.
34 spacecadet : Laziness? The Malaysian radar track has been confirmed by Thailand.
35 gatorman96 : Thanks, just more people who would've noticed a 777 landing at DG. I'm just not sure why Diego Garcia was ever brought up in the first place.
36 AR385 : "Aircraft and ships are being diverted to the area. Expected to arrive Thursday afternoon." Looks like this is solid.
37 Post contains links Andrensn : "Two objects possibly related to missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been spotted, the Australian Prime Minister has said." Source: http://new
38 Starlionblue : It seems to be an illustration of the two arcs implied by the satellite ping. The arcs mean the ping could have originated at any point on one of the
39 Centre : Fox news also reporting two objects that might be related to MH370 located by Australian Air Force[Edited 2014-03-19 20:28:52]
40 chrisair : I posted this in another thread but I'll post it again: https://www.google.ca/#q=steven+frischling+compulsive+liar
41 sovietjet : I'm sure after 10,000+ posts someone must've said this already BUT: WHAT IF, they get a SAR plane like a P-3 or P-8 to fly the southern "arc" or loci
42 coolian2 : Wow, hopefully this is the first and last time Tony Abbott is right.
43 Womack17 : CNN is reporting "objects related to #370 possibly found" - debris detected by satellite imagery. Australian PM to speak at a live news conference sho
44 Post contains images hivue : I don't know Australian politics but that doesn't sound too encouraging.
45 canoecarrier : The possible debris was identified via satellite imagery. I'll start to believe it when search aircraft get on the scene and confirm.
46 Lindenwold : FlyingWithFish in straight denial. Whether or not they find this a/c, props to the members that called him a fraud.
47 gatorman96 : My confidence in this find dropped significantly when I saw "satellite imagery." At least they didn't say they used Tomnod.
48 SSTeve : That's what I would've thought, except the arcs are polylines. I was wondering if it was a connect-the-pings graphic with knowledge of the arcs impli
49 Womack17 : CNN International is reporting 3 aircraft are in route to the site presently.
50 coolian2 : Just the thoughts of someone well left of centre lol. I do hope we're reaching a conclusion, devastating as it may be.
51 747megatop : I'll believe whoever spots the wreckage; till then nobody is believable. China was wrong previously on their Satellite image. But of course, i'll not
52 Centre : The info must have some truth to it if it's the Australian PM himself making the announcement
53 dampfnudel : Yeah, you're right. I only downloaded one airport add-on (Frankfurt Airport for FS 2004) and a few new aircraft (in various liveries). I never really
54 Womack17 : COMPLETELY AGREE - Can't see the PM releasing such a statement without infallible proof
55 jelliesR : If the ocean currents were a mild but steady 5kmh, floating wreckage could now be 1600 km away from the point where the black boxes and any sunken wre
56 Post contains links PanAmPaul : A bit more on what Tony Abbott, the Australlian PM said: from Australian PM Says Possible MH370 Debris Located in Indian Ocean .
57 Starlionblue : There is a conviction among many Americans, including FlyingWithFish and some on this board, that the terrorism angle is the correct one. Given 9/11 a
58 Lindenwold : Is it daylight where the debris has been spotted? About how far is the possible crash site from where they last communicated with the a/c?
59 AR385 : Exactly. Not some minister. And they probably have looked at the images pretty closely.
60 k83713 : Objects or debris? If not debris, maybe rafts? It's a big news, anyway.
61 N328KF : I expect you'll find that the Australians, US, and NZ worked pretty tightly on this one, in contrast to the Southeast Asian efforts.
62 Post contains links and images Coal : http://bit.ly/1deExxr Cheers Coal
63 Andrensn : Yes it is currently 11:45AM Perth Time[Edited 2014-03-19 20:47:42]
64 gatorman96 : It's the only angle that intrigue's most American's and keeps them coming back to his ridiculous Twitter feed. Could he be right in the end? Maybe, b
65 Post contains links coolian2 : "I should tell the House - and we must keep this in mind - the task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult and it may turn out that the
66 pintail21 : So if they found some debris that has to be what, several hundred miles from the crash site at least? That's still a long way to go. How long have the
67 AR385 : Don´t they in everything? That´s one of the reasons why I think this is solid. As opposed to the other "breaks" we´ve endured.
68 PanAm1971 : This puts a mechanical defect or incident back on the front burner-does it not?
69 wxmeddler : Twitter reports that Australian Gov't is going to have a press conference in 20 min (4 UTC)
70 undertheradar : OZ PM holding a press conference.... saying it 'could' be 'possible' wreckage...needs further investigation.....that is PM 'speak' for...'we have loc
71 PanAm1971 : Those are some very deep waters. What is the max depth of the black boxes?
72 Post contains links KirkSeattle : it's around noon at Perth... http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/australia/perth Gosh, I hope this reveals the clues to this daunting mystery for th
73 Post contains links JQflightie : http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search you should be able to watch the conference live from ninemsn.com.au 1530 AES
74 tayser : It's almost 3pm AEDT - won't get dark here for another 4-4-5 hours. AWST is currently 3 hours behind AEDT - given the search area was a few thousand
75 wjcandee : This is what happens when "reporters" try to figure out a mystery. "Facts" that are of low-reliabiility are presented right alongside definitive facts
76 jetblueguy22 : Of course he is. If they find it his credibility goes out the window. I'm not saying he's wrong. I've learned more from him than the Malaysian author
77 Post contains images rcair1 : With all due respect to the Australian PM - the announce so far is very carefully worded to be able to say 'nope - turns out it was not related'. "Mr
78 gatorman96 : The regular junk that was spotted in the Gulf of Thailand and the Malacca Strait will be much more spread out in the Indian Ocean, so there is a much
79 tayser : Pic of search area in relation to Australian continent from the Herald Sun: https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/446494542078824450/photo/1
80 DeltaMD90 : Not to be Western / US centric, but kudos to Australia, NZ, and the US if they have indeed found it... I trust their developments and competency more
81 packersfan : coolian2 doesn't know it either!
82 Lindenwold : Wow, thanks for the link.
83 coolian2 : Did I pretend I did?
84 Post contains links and images RyanairGuru : AMSA press conference is 15:30 AEDT (35 minutes from now). I'd say with 99.999% certainty that ABC News 24 will play it live (and in full), so you sho
85 hivue : It's interesting that the Malaysians are not announcing this, don't you think? In other words, that the Australians didn't tell the Malaysian authorit
86 k83713 : Sounds as general addition out of caution, just in case. The fact it's annunced by PM shows high probability it's indeed related...
87 Tapir : I read 3 30 AEDT. That means in another 32 minutes.
88 gatorman96 : Guys, these threads re long enough. Can we keep on topic with completely outlandish theories and more links to Tomnod maps of oil slicks and toilet s
89 jelliesR : That would be at the southern most extent of the "last ping" possible locations.
90 Post contains links stuyyz : apparently the australian press conference to be streamed here: http://tvnz.co.nz/news
91 AR385 : I don´t think he is. Not after all the ridiculousness we´ve seen by so called "authorities" over the days. He has solid information. They had alrea
92 Post contains images lazybones : Its OK most Australians don't see our PM as either credible or reliable at the best of times For once I hope he's got it right!
93 canoecarrier : I wonder how often they're imaging the area they think they may have found some debris? If it's frequent enough they should be able to define a drift
94 fotoflyer71 : Doesn't work if you are outside Australia apparently - you guys will have to give us the updates!!!
95 davs5032 : Only viewable within Austrailia it says..
96 Norcal773 : So Abbot said 'Two possible objects related to MH370 have been identified'. What in the hell does that even mean? Identified as MH370 debris or identi
97 tayser : I just looked at the map again, the search area is the same distance from Perth that Melbourne is from Perth - 3-4 hour flying time from PER. Long lo
98 PanAm1971 : I think the time for them is done. I think, given the possible crash location, Australia should take the lead on the recovery.
99 tayser : ABC sometimes remove their Geo-block - try again just before 3:30pm
100 PanAm1971 : This recovery and investigation will be epic... if its even possible. That area is literally in the middle of nowhere.
101 Post contains images Tapir : If not for joint SAR from several countries, I believe they would still be searching in South China Sea.
102 Finn350 : I suppose they are relatively certain the objects might belong to MH 370. Hopefully they will release the satellite imagery in the conference.
103 coolian2 : Aussies, when does Question Time finish? Surely any real update will be independent of this, right?
104 alberchico : Wouldn't the ocean currents have carried any floating objects far away from the suspected crash area by now ?
105 hivue : That's my point. Everyone has gotten frustrated enough that they've laid diplomatic niceties and international conventions aside.
106 wxmeddler : Would you rather backtrack a piece of debris or continue searching the whole Indian Ocean?
107 gatorman96 : Yes, but if this is truly debris from MH370, they can study the currents over the last 12 or so days and estimate a new search box with pretty good a
108 undertheradar : the daily 'update' by the Malay 'authorites' isn't due for another 5hrs!! ..I don't think they are capable of releasing 'breaking news'.....please ex
109 jelliesR : Yes, if the surface currents are at a walking speed, over 1000km from impact point.
110 kiwiinoz : I am guessing they found it. Why hold a press conference otherwise. They have already told us they found a couple of objects. And I doubt they would h
111 PanAm1971 : Happily (I'm sure for everyone) practicalities will probably push a handover of responsibilities to Australia.
112 Post contains links rcair1 : Sanity Check - Update. Typically, when I a new "thread" starts (and I'm awake) I do a new Sanity Check - but I just reviewed the current edition - and
113 k83713 : Even if so, it's big fixation of the search area, there will be no any distraction by lyrics from Maldivian fishermen or other fancy theories. Matter
114 hh65man : Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has informed us about two objects sighted by satellite imagery as may being related to the aircraft. US P-8 is i
115 Lindenwold : just link this thread.
116 lazybones : davs5032, you're not missing anything it's just our PM speaking in parliament. No vision on the satellite images or anything we can debate yet.
117 edmountain : I'm not holding my breath, but why else would Abbott himself make the announcement? Egg will certainly cover his face if it turns out to be something
118 mercure1 : that spot being searched now is basically 3200nm SSW of VAMPI. Which would be about right, based on known takeoff fuel, Gross Wt at departure time, n
119 rcair1 : For those who are really impacted, family and friends of passengers, any concrete news will be viewed as, if not good, welcome. Sometimes we need to
120 PanAm1971 : Maybe, like 447, the sat can see the tail floating. Would a 777 tail float?
121 Centre : According to the Australian PM the RAAF Aircraft should have made contact with the "Two objects" by now. aircraft was diverted to the objects location
122 Finn350 : And we will probably also get information when those satellite images were taken. The closer the incident date the better (although that means it is m
123 Norcal773 : Those were my sentiments too when I wrote that, there are a lot of people out there who have lost loved ones in this accidents and my heart goes out
124 rfields5421 : Maybe. The AF447 stabilizer floated because of trapped air. Without air trapped in various segments - it would have sunk with the rest of the plane.
125 fotoflyer71 : Looks like CNN is going to carry the press conference too...
126 jelliesR : They are showing a slide with two possible southern tracks, very close to each other. Why two?
127 Post contains images socalgeo : The northern tip of the search area is the 3200 mile location that you are describing. I pulled this location from a Aus Govt SAR site that tomlee pr
128 aviators99 : CNN will show the press conference. "Expert" on there now who was good for a while, but now is talking about Part 121 rules (or lack of) for ELTs.
129 gatorman96 : If this turns out to be wreckage from MH370, prepare for another 40 threads. Get your coffee ready Rcair1![Edited 2014-03-19 21:27:25]
130 Centre : press conference in 5 minutes from now
131 AR385 : Up until today I was giving the Malaysian Government the benefit of the doubt. But what they did today, dragging that distraught Chinese woman away w
132 Post contains links stuyyz : They are setting up for the news conference, watch live here: http://www.katu.com/news/live2
133 RyanairGuru : Re the Abbott statement, note that it was an announcement to Parliament rather than a press conference. Beyond his announcement to the House of Repres
134 chaseus1 : Well now we have a good clue which country found radar rata that could be pertinet... Australia! Malaysia was saying another country was providing new
135 Starlionblue : I'm not sure there is a max depth. The recordings themselves are hard to crush. The recorders of AF447 was found at around 4000 meters and the CVR of
136 jelliesR : Why do you think that. From the slide at the press conference it looks like the USA simply sent the tip to Australia, US Satellite, just nearest frie
137 Post contains links stuyyz : ...from the press conference See lots of maps but no pictures yet.... http://www.katu.com/news/live2
138 Tapir : Thanks. Works fine.
139 RyanairGuru : The AMSA press conference looks very low-budget and thrown together in haste!
140 Post contains links tayser : they just announced the ABC Geo blcok has been removed: http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/
141 Post contains links 345tas : A more reliable link might be this radio like to ABC News Radio (it's only audio though) http://www.abc.net.au/radio/player/?station=news
142 a36001 : According the news on 2GB.com.au PM Abbott has spoken to the Malaysian PM, he is fully informed. It was not a news conference, PM Abbott was addressin
143 undertheradar : sorry..my mistake..not a press conference...just an interruption to parliament!!!
144 sbkom : AF447 stabilizer was in composite material. 777 is not, so it may not float, no guarantees.
145 Lindenwold : press conference is going on now!
146 RyanairGuru : I get the impression that the "news" is that there is no news, but we might know more later He was referring to the earlier announcemtn
147 coolian2 : "we wanted to look important, even if we're not. thanks!" waste of hope and time. cruel.
148 Post contains links ciaran : The debris was spotted by satellite initially and then confirmed by Orion http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/...ers-malaysia-airlines.html?hp&_r=
149 PanAm1971 : The matter of fact tone and professionalism is a relief. Things are moving.
150 Womack17 : HELP - How large is 24 meters?
151 k83713 : Largest piece - 24 meters.
152 milestones787 : One of the objects is 24 meters big. I have to assume there is a good chance that its from a 777.
153 jelliesR : Notes: The AMSA is coordinating the southern corridor search with assistance from NZ and USA. the centre received satellite imagery of objects possibl
154 RyanairGuru : The questions was more useful that the press conference! They're looking at objects about 24m in size, and "experts" have described them as "credible
155 DeltaMD90 : Seriously? Google it. (1 meter is about 1 yard BTW)
156 RyanairGuru : About 70 feet.
157 PanAm1971 : Would that be the size of a stabilizer?
158 tayser : accroding to google, 78 feet https://www.google.com.au/search?q=24+metres+in+feet&oq=24+metres+in+feet&aqs=chrome..69i57.2272j0j7&sourcei
159 Lindenwold : like 75feet?[Edited 2014-03-19 21:39:26]
160 RyanairGuru : "It is credible enough to divert resources to this area"
161 SA7700 : Which unfortunately begs the question, how understanding can the Malaysian government really be when their Transport minister makes this statement: "
162 gatorman96 : From ground to top of vert stab is about 61 feet, so no unfortunately. But, length of both horizontal stabs is approx 70 feet
163 undertheradar : were you expecting a buffet spread...a few drinks n nibbles perhaps...this has all eventuated in the last hour or so... plus an object (size of at le
164 PanAm1971 : Thank you. Good info.
165 Post contains links Starlionblue : The fin is about 8 meters. The horizontal stabilizer span is 21.5 meters, but AFAIK it is made in two pieces, not one. The total length of a 777-200
166 Post contains images nm2582 : about 79 feet. For reference, the horizontal stabilizer is approximately 71 feet wide (21.5 meters). So, if the object is truly 24 meters long, it's
167 Starlionblue : The bigger problem is that AFAIK the stabilizer is not one piece going through the fuselage, but two separate pieces. Granted, it could still be atta
168 jelliesR : The size and the *number of pieces in the same area* makes it "worth investigating". if it is old random floating debris, it would be alone.
169 timothy31388 : The Malaysian Government is quite notorious for their extremely heavy handed approach towards all forms of protests, unfortunately.
170 edmountain : 24m = too big to be an intermodal container tossed from a ship.
171 b777erj145 : 1500 miles SW of Perth, last statement was that weather is not very good there.
172 davs5032 : It would seem unlikely to me that any part of the plane that large (24m) would be intact after such an impact with the ocean, but I don't really have
173 chaseus1 : I think all of the landed in China, Myanmar, India, Pakistan, other stans, or Iran theories are about to be disproven. Maybe sad for the families, as
174 Starlionblue : For all we know the plane could have made an attempted ditching or glided gently to the surface. In both cases large pieces are plausible.
175 Post contains images SSTeve : Could always be an evacuation slide.
176 Post contains images jelliesR : Why are there two routes suggested by the NTSB?
177 PanAm1971 : I guess no sleep tonight. They may release the sat pic in the next few hours.
178 undertheradar : i'll probably get abused for saying this.....but this AMSA press conference is by far the only press conference since the MH370 'disappearance' that h
179 k83713 : They said they would provide image shortly, but I would bet on the wing. If impact was hard though, it is likely to break given it to be wide and thin
180 Post contains links mercure1 : this was the bloomberg article w/ more precise fuel on board figures: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...k-on-analysis-using-fuel-data.html "The
181 LTC8K6 : Given other sat pics we've seen, wouldn't a 777 wing be recognizable from those images?
182 socalgeo : He said 2500 KM SW of Perth right?
183 LTC8K6 : Australian Broadcasting Corporation editor Jon Williams tweets: Crew on @USNavy P-8 spotter tell (ABC correspondent on board P-8) @WrightUps: "signifi
184 zeke : The objects have not been confirmed by the AP-3C. Not true, first aircraft is about to leave the search area and RTB for a refuel, the USN P8 will ta
185 asuflyer : One possibility is that the aircraft could have ran out of fuel, thus a crash impact with the sea would not necessarily be at a very high speed which
186 rcair1 : Just watched it on Fox - had Fox on 1 screen, CNN on another. As I figured - all the majors carried it. Unfortunately - it is as I thought when I post
187 k83713 : For Ethiopian, were wings more or less at one piece after ditching into ocean? If plane was gliding, could engine be detached at the water impact with
188 Finn350 : My understanding is that the routes are based on two different speed estimates for the plane with a constant southerly heading.
189 wxmeddler : Exactly, if on AP, then the AP would do everything in it's power NOT to crash the plane. Thus having a lower G load and less of a "spattering" impact
190 jelliesR : Will "flying with fish" tweet an apology on behalf of his source, if it turns out to be south.
191 Indy : How large is an emergency slide on a 777? I'm guessing nowhere near that big but thought I'd check.
192 rcair1 : Very interesting . It would be very good to get visual on these and put the 'yes/no MH370' to bed quickly.
193 AR385 : The engines are designed to detach without damaging the wing.
194 LTC8K6 : Would you get radar returns from aircraft debris, as reported?
195 k83713 : P-3 has radar for metal parts, P-8 can notice any debris floating on the water.[Edited 2014-03-19 22:11:57]
196 LTC8K6 : The MAD, you mean? They'd have to be over the debris. I think they meant actual radar returns, not the magnetic detector.
197 boacvc10 : Does the Aus. BC corporation editor have a live phone link to David Wright? He tweeted that all electronics have to be surrendered before his flight?
198 spacecadet : More or less, and more than just wings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA5FMFVbVZ0
199 dank : Both have radar. The P3 has MAD gear which the US P8s do not.
200 edmountain : Malaysia said to be sending a contingent of ships to the area. If true, could hint further at credibility of findings.
201 PanAm1971 : How would you like to be flying that low level search at night, in weather... that far from anywhere? Think of the distances and vastness of that area
202 11Bravo : Interesting that a path plotted from IGREX to the South Pole crosses very close to the southern most end of the original "southern arc" and also very
203 KirkSeattle : Sometimes, I think we need to ask the obvious instead of assuming the obvious. "Australia, did you see anything?" ..."Indonesia, did you see anything
204 LTC8K6 : Was it cancelled or removed from the program? "The P-8A is also fitted with the CAE advanced integrated magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) system. The
205 dampfnudel : If the debris turns out to be from MH370, I'm curious if the pilot or copilot spoke about the reason for diverting the aircraft to its doom because he
206 CaliAtenza : well i may have spoke too soon; looks like the Aussies found something. No its just weird because he would say something days before and then the med
207 CaliAtenza : well i hope he does...
208 LTC8K6 : Yes. "In mid-2008, the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) deleted the requirement for the P-8A to be equipped with magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) e
209 Post contains links valleyflyer : Lots of details from AMSA on the search effort for the debris was just put on their site: http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documen...eleasePossibleDebrisF
210 laxboeingman : That is very far away from where people thought it would have went down, which means it floated from the original site.
211 hoya : I guess now we await pictures from the US Navy. If the P-8 is really getting significant radar returns, it seems like it's safe to assume they found t
212 laxboeingman : That is true and why I think it may not be there at this point, but I hope it is, if it crashed.[Edited 2014-03-19 22:44:00]
213 laxboeingman : Good point. But, how do we know they are getting radar returns? Has Abbot said anything yet?
214 tullamarine : It probably means the original site was wrong.
215 laxboeingman : Yeah, that is true. Good point. Has the PM said anything yet?
216 Post contains images dank : Yes. Sorry, didn't catch your question until you found the answer
217 LTC8K6 : #185
218 nm2582 : It would be safe to say that they found a field of radar reflective objects. It remains to be seen if they have anything to do with MH370. It won't b
219 wxmeddler : Nice find, somthing in that caught my eye. "A RAAF C130 Hercules aircraft has been tasked by RCC Australia to drop datum marker buoys. These marker b
220 OldAeroGuy : No, the 777 vertical and horizontal tails are composite material. The material is not lighter than water so only trapped air will cause them to float
221 hoya : JUST IN: @WrightUps from above Indian Ocean says US P-8 crew "getting radar hits of significant size;" trying to get visuals on hits. In case people m
222 LTC8K6 : Okay, so that's the second report of radar hits from the P-8A.
223 laxboeingman : 185 says they have not been confirmed. That is a very good idea. Were the other false alarms detected by radar?
224 chaseus1 : CNN reporting Malaysia Airlines contacting families now.
225 laxboeingman : Great information. Thank you for sharing. Do we know why the US let him aboard?
226 laxboeingman : That could mean they are just letting know or they are telling them that they found something related to the crash. How do we know that? I cannot fin
227 chaseus1 : True, could be that they just found something... but unique headline from others that the airline is briefing families... I am sure they've had many b
228 hoya : ABC News twitter feed, which has been retweeted. He apparently was able to phone in.
229 AR385 : I sincerely doubt that. After almost two weeks they are not going to call to give info. on another lead that is going to lead nowhere. They have a lo
230 travaz : I think that the Malaysian Government has finally let US and AS ETC take over the search with superior Tech. I think we may have some closure in a day
231 jpetekyxmd80 : Everything seems to indicate this will be it. Not to get ahead of ourselves.. but then... what? why? how? Seems like it would be a foregone conclusion
232 seat55a : It would be a week before they arrive, so if it's even a solid lead you would start them off. Australia has a fleet oiler on the way also (ironically
233 Post contains images wxmeddler : Saw this picture on Twitter, most comprehensive image yet it seems...
234 laxboeingman : OK, thanks. I agree with that. If nothing else by peer pressure from other governments, especially the Chinese. I agree that this is probably it. It
235 CaliAtenza : that's what makes it horrible; i was hoping in the back of my mind they would find the plane intact somewhere....so that at least the people on board
236 laxboeingman : We won't know that until the black boxes are recovered and analyzed, which could take a very, very long time. I guess that depends on what the condit
237 ERJ135 : I am unable to give sources or any other information, however I am looking at a hard copy of the satellite imagery which clearly shows the two pieces
238 laxboeingman : Me too. Until it is found, I could see it on an island somewhere in the middle of the ocean.
239 Finn350 : That is a very comprehensive picture. I presume that the curve on the NTSB tracks is caused by earth rotation, not the map projection (assuming const
240 zeke : Australia has AP-3Cs, they are not normal P-3s, they also have digital radar which can pickup just about anything on the surface, metallic, plastic,
241 chaseus1 : The chart in reply 234 really gives an idea of how some simple math on the timing of the path through the distance rings of the satellite led to where
242 laxboeingman : Is that what you are told or can you tell that from looking at the image? Are you able to share the image? You can't help but wonder the person flyin
243 wxmeddler : It's a Mercator type map so it would preserve direction. Perhaps the track deviation is due to wind as the winds in that part of the world are quite
244 jelliesR : Why is that more likely than deliberate pilot choice, given the disabled comms, but enabled autopilot. Just curious, other than, "well, he doesn't se
245 spacecadet : I would hope we were all hoping that until proven otherwise, regardless of how unlikely we thought it might be. Not sure what has changed that would
246 laxboeingman : Did Abbott say anything definitive during his press conference?
247 Post contains images CaliAtenza : that's why i was hoping FWF was right....i was just hoping in my mind that SEAL Team 6 would be storming the area, taking out the bad guys, and bring
248 Post contains links ciaran : Article debris after two weeks adrift http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/20/wo...odule=MoreInSection&pgtype=article
249 jpetekyxmd80 : Nothing FWF was really unique or profound. Most of it was blatant guesswork like calculating a route based on a miles number. I was thinking some of t
250 LTC8K6 : The NYT is wrong about AF447 though. Debris was spotted in two days.
251 Post contains images CaliAtenza : now, if this does indeed turn out to be the plane , we have to figure out how the hell it got all the way down to the Indian Ocean...and whether it w
252 laxboeingman : I did not know the black boxes are on a two hour loop. Would they have stopped recording when the comm equipment was turned off? If so, then I think
253 jpetekyxmd80 : In regards to a next step, I guess good news (relatively) is, while not a picnic by any means, this is not one of the deeper parts of the ocean.
254 milestones787 : What is the ocean depth in this search area?
255 LTC8K6 : CVR is 2 hours. DFDR is 25 hours.
256 chaseus1 : If FWF was just relaying information from what he thought was a reliable source, then we shouldn't blame the messenger. If he was making things up, an
257 wxmeddler : Between 3 and 4 kilometers.
258 laxboeingman : Thank you, but what do those acronyms stand for?
259 tomlee : Cockpit Voice Recorder Digital Flight Data Recorder (I think) Both are digital based usually now anyways I think. (Using SSD like technology just ins
260 AustrianZRH : CVR = cockpit voice recorder DFDR = digital flight data recorder I.e., the two black boxes.
261 Post contains images wxmeddler : From Nick Dole at Australian Broadcasting Network:
262 chrcaremanav : quoting tomlee: Yes the information is right for the acronym. Good job on Your part. Thanks and have a nice night. TO do a search on the web, is very
263 laxboeingman : Thank you. I thought they mean something like that. Because they are digital, or mostly digital, couldn't the manufacturers enable them to be accesse
264 turjo101 : If the length is 24 m, the width seems too wide to be a wing. Does it not?!? Could this be a portion of the fuselage somehow ?
265 LTC8K6 : That's underwhelming... Hope it's from the plane, though.
266 Nav30 : Still nothing conclusive on our radio news. But lots of aircraft are being diverted to an area 'south-west of Perth.' Worth mentioning that, as far as
267 wxmeddler : Timestamp is 03/16... 4 days ago. Though I agree that multi-spectral image looks interesting.
268 Post contains links asmvpgold : From the AMS website http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/images/DIGO_00718_01_14.jpg
269 Aesma : Finally some news, or is there ? I woke up with the announcement that something has been found, but it doesn't look that definitive to me. Let's hope
270 Post contains links Andrensn : There is a satellite image on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation website of what appears to be the debris field including the 24m piece http://ww
271 laxboeingman : How can people tell that is a wing from just looking at it? We should be able to have the data from the entire flight on the flight data recorder, ri
272 jpetekyxmd80 : Apparently there are better pictures that they can't release at this point, but yeah that's far from definitive.
273 tomlee : Technically you could remotely access them through a "broadband" datalink but your ISP (inmarsat, iridium) fees would be a bit crazy to say the least
274 nm2582 : I agree..very underwhelming. I hope it's from the plane too - only so that we can put an end to the madness and get to work solving the "what happene
275 Post contains links wxmeddler : Location of Sat pic in the coordinates released. http://bit.ly/1eoof2Y
276 laxboeingman : Are the other speckles in the water possible materials from the 777? That is another good thought. I thought something about an emergency landing whe
277 nm2582 : The published dimensions (24m) match closely to being a wing; however after seeing the image and shape of the "object" - it sure doesn't look like a
278 AustrianZRH : I don't know the specs/memory size of a 777 DFDR but if the 25 hrs recording time stated before are correct then yes, the data should be there. If it
279 turjo101 : From the first picture posted on this forum, it looks too wide to be a wing... This may sound stupid, but could it be a whale, and the second smaller
280 Post contains links tomlee : They have a spectral shot of it and we can't actually see the spectral data just by looking at the image and that can sometimes resolve stuff to with
281 laxboeingman : I would think it would be in their best interest to release them. Thank you for that answer. I guess, also, that when the information would be needed
282 CaliAtenza : it looks like waves or whitecaps; i can't tell if its a man made object or not....
283 asmvpgold : I agree... if those photos are what raised the alarm bells then I just discovered that I would fail miserably in a search and rescue career that invo
284 laxboeingman : Are the black boxes able to function if the main and back-up plane power is turned off or malfunctions? It seems like they should if they are designe
285 tomlee : Well satcom isn't really comparable to wifi exactly (more similar to cellphone just on a global scale) but for it to work in a crash the plane would
286 tomlee : If deliberately disabled by opening their breakers (not sure where) unless the black box has RIPS (recorder independent power system) it will stop re
287 laxboeingman : Good point, but if the receiver/transmitter was contained within the device and was not dependent on the plane itself, could it still work?
288 boacvc10 : note the source of the image (digitalglobe) what resolution did that sensor have, do you think?
289 laxboeingman : Oh, OK. Thanks for that. In the case of crashes then, I guess they are useful for what the stored leading up to the crash and not what was recorded d
290 wxmeddler : That's what I was just thinking, fish, dolphins, seals, penguins, whales. All could be potential pingbacks.
291 seahawk : Pictures do not tell much.
292 tomlee : I think the fact they show a side by side of the regular colour image beside the multi-spectral means that they looked at the difference in spectral
293 laxboeingman : You mean on radar, right?
294 zeke : It depends, the Jindalee radar installation in Western Australia has a 180 degree arc of coverage, however the radar is normally looking at specific
295 jpetekyxmd80 : I am guessing they have better images/information to prevent them coming back at this point having to tell us "oh, it was a fish" .
296 laxboeingman : Just got this CNN alert: "Crew combing Indian Ocean for MH370 gets radar hits of 'significant size,' indicating something below surface, ABC News says
297 laxboeingman : Thank you. Do we know if the ground radar has detected that?
298 wxmeddler : Or whatever they are using, radar, sonar, forward looking lidar, etc. is all just electromagnetic waves at different frequencies. These waves bounce
299 Mike89406 : If anyone's interested CNN and FOX are talking about the debris finding.
300 zeke : No, and I think they would be using whatever they have available to try and find it. The radar can also pickup the sea state. The DIGO is not somethi
301 LTC8K6 : I just don't see anything interesting in the pics. I'll be pleasantly surprised if they are pics of parts of 9M-MRO.
302 laxboeingman : I agree with that. Does that, in essence, mean that they had the photos and run them through a computer to look for things out of the ordinary and th
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