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Status Of The NW And DL DC-9s In MZJ  
User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5233 times:
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What's the latest on the DC9-30s and 40s that were retired by Northwest over the years? There have been recent pictures uploaded to the database showing some of them from a few years ago, with some parts looking to be missing. How many are there still left in MZJ? Are they stored or now starting to be scrapped?

Then there are the DC9-50s that DL retired. These appear to be in stored condition. There were rumors about them going to PAWA. Any new information? And what is up with the DC-9s that went to Blythville, Arkansas?

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User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4668 times:
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Nobody knows anything?

User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4468 times:

Back in January 2013 when I was last at Marana there were only 11 Northwest DC9s left. Around six more had been very recently scrapped at that time. I believe a few of the Delta DC9-50s there have been parted out now as well.

I would also be interested in knowing more about the scrapping operation at Blytheville - is this run by Delta? It is quite surprising that there isn't better coverage of the storage fields in the US, they are fascinating places.


User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4241 times:
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Quoting Candid76 (Reply 2):

I'm more amazed by the fact that planes that had so many fans simply forgot about them after they were retired. Hell, the retirement itself was lame. Hardly any trip reports or news coverage.


User currently onlineapache323 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

I last visited there in January of this year and there was one that had all of its pain stripped and was parked by one of the hangars. There was another one parked over by the Evergreen 747s and it was about to be scrapped. In general things are not looking good for the DC-9s or the DL 757s. I do not have a regs for the DC-9s I saw as I was not able to get quite close enough. Hope that helps.

User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4116 times:
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Quoting apache323 (Reply 4):

Was this a DC9-50 or 30/40?


User currently offlineTW870 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4078 times:
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Anyone know how many ex-Northwest Airplanes they have scrapped at MZJ? Basically all of the 747-200s, a good chunk of DC-10-30s, and dozens of DC-9s have been stored there and to my knowledge never flew away. MZJ for Northwest was like Lancaster Fox Field was in the late-60s and early-70s for so many DC-6s, DC-7s, and Connies. California Airmotive demolished about half the heavy prop fleet in the country.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 3):
I'm more amazed by the fact that planes that had so many fans simply forgot about them after they were retired.

What were people supposed to do exactly? They are old planes, about to be destroyed. They served their purpose and everybody moves on.

Quoting UA444 (Reply 3):
Hardly any trip reports or news coverage.

It did make the paper, but again, what did you expect, columns wailing about the loss of the DC-9 from American skies and a daily parting out update from CNN? This doesn't qualify as news to the exceedingly vast majority of people including me, a guy with well over 3,000 hours in the DC-9. It was a great old plane, but I'm glad I don't fly it anymore.   

Nobody's being disrespectful, it's just not very newsworthy. Fortunately if you are that passionate about the subject there's always a.net!  


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3833 times:

Blytheville, AK? That is not a DL-operated business to the best of my knowledge.

For many years NW sent aircraft to Greenville, Mississippi for scrapping to a company called Memphis something-or-other an was rumored to be at least partially owned by Gary Wilson, then one of the leadership at NW. Numerous DC-10's and B727 were scrapped there. One captain told me that he flew a DC-10-40 into Greenville and before he could pick up his flight bag to get off the plane, crews were already on board stripping out valuable components. Then all the engines were pulled and trucked back to MSP for the next ferry flight into oblivion.



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User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3713 times:
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Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 8):

Blytheville, AK? That is not a DL-operated business to the best of my knowledge.

For many years NW sent aircraft to Greenville, Mississippi for scrapping to a company called Memphis something-or-other an was rumored to be at least partially owned by Gary Wilson, then one of the leadership at NW. Numerous DC-10's and B727 were scrapped there. One captain told me that he flew a DC-10-40 into Greenville and before he could pick up his flight bag to get off the plane, crews were already on board stripping out valuable components. Then all the engines were pulled and trucked back to MSP for the next ferry flight into oblivion.

It was called the Memphis Group. ONLY aviation buffs care about the demise of the DC-9 or any other aircraft. My biggest grip is that Delta is keeping one DC-9-50 for their museum and kept an aircraft that originally flew for Austrian Airlines. They should have kept one that was bought new by North Central Airlines. One ex NCA DC-9-50 was donated to a museum in the Carolinas. The The same museum that has the A320 that ditched into the Hudson River.The average person only has an interest in an aircraft when they are flying and are they going to get a seat on it for the least amount of money and will it fly away and not leave them behind.   


User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3566 times:
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Is there anybody on A.net who lives near Blythville that has snapped some pics of those 9s there?

There was actually some recent pics (ie 2014) of Greenville where several of the NW 727s and DC-10-40s still there, slowly having parts pulled. There was even a few 741s with one in the old NW livery before the bowling shoe.

And when will N675MC be going to the museum? Are they tidying it up before putting it on display? My guess is that they chose it because it has been with so many airlines.

[Edited 2014-03-28 13:44:57]

User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2541 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 10):
And when will N675MC be going to the museum? Are they tidying it up before putting it on display? My guess is that they chose it because it has been with so many airlines.

It is still sitting on the ramp in front of the TOC with no engines. The museum is still under going work so I don't suspect it will be moved until the completion date nears. I think that is some time this summer. I know they have moved some of the aircraft back inside and will give limited tours at an employee party in May. There is also a 757 that is being prepped for the museum as well as some engines and a DC9 tail for display.


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 3):
I'm more amazed by the fact that planes that had so many fans simply forgot about them after they were retired. Hell, the retirement itself was lame. Hardly any trip reports or news coverage.

On airliners.net, I have to interpret this as sarcasm. I'm fairly certain there is no DC-9 news that's not fit to print here, especially if you count the MDs and 717s.


User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
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Quoting SSTeve (Reply 12):

That's just it though, there were maybe one or two trip reports about the 9s last flight. There are only two pictures in the entire database from it. For all the talk about these planes for years on this site, the discussion about when the end did eventually come was pretty disappointing IMO.

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 11):

Any chance it does one more flight ala like Spirit of Delta?

[Edited 2014-03-29 12:09:06]

User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
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Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 8):
Blytheville, AK

Blytheviile is in Arkansas (AR). AK is Alaska.

Didn't want anyone going off to take pictures and going the wrong way.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 14):
Blytheviile is in Arkansas (AR). AK is Alaska.

Oops. My typo. I Google-Earthed Blytheville and I could not find any airplanes that appeared to be stored or being parted out but then you can never really be sure how old those satellite shots really are.



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

I thought all of the dc10's went to greenwood.

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 16):
I thought all of the dc10's went to greenwood.

The DC-10-40's went to Mississippi for dismantling. The DC-10-30's wound up in Marana or Mojave. I miss the old war horse.



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User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2435 times:
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Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):

I believe N220NW and N228NW also went to Maxton, NC MXE and are still there!

I believe the following did not go to MZJ, which is where most of the 30s went: N220NW, N228NW went to MXE (was this the first D10-30 retired?) N229NW went to OPF, and N236NW went to TUL as an OMNI parts donor.

I do not know where N211NW went (BTW, does anybody know why the registration is so far out of sequence?)


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 13):
For all the talk about these planes for years on this site, the discussion about when the end did eventually come was pretty disappointing IMO.

Why didn't you fly on it and write a TR?

Quoting UA444 (Reply 18):
I believe N220NW and N228NW also went to Maxton, NC MXE and are still there!

Maxton is a fascinating place. When I went there, half the airport was tobacco plants and the other half was a jungle. Oh and a lot of snakes and ticks.


User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 8):

Blytheville, AK? That is not a DL-operated business to the best of my knowledge.

All the ex-SAS MD-8X aircraft that DL purchased for cannibalization went to Blytheville for dis-assembly. There are also some MD-90s that went there for the same fate, I am unsure of their origin.


User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 3):
Hardly any trip reports or news coverage.

I did my part: Delta's Final DC-9 Flight..Ever. (Ferry To CLT) (by captainstefan Jan 31 2014 in Trip Reports)

Quoting UA444 (Reply 10):
And when will N675MC be going to the museum? Are they tidying it up before putting it on display? My guess is that they chose it because it has been with so many airlines.
Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 11):
It is still sitting on the ramp in front of the TOC with no engines.

They've moved it over around the corner in front of bay 11. They remounted some engines on it last week (I'm assuming they're timed out copies) and it is just sitting quietly for the moment. I am guessing it will be moved across the street before the May 17 Delta employee party.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 19):
Maxton is a fascinating place. When I went there, half the airport was tobacco plants and the other half was a jungle. Oh and a lot of snakes and ticks.

I forgot about Maxton. IIRC some of the old NW 747's went there, too. I was driving to Charlotte one day and almost drove off the road when I saw those red tails sitting in the middle of nowhere.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 13):

That's just it though, there were maybe one or two trip reports about the 9s last flight. There are only two pictures in the entire database from it. For all the talk about these planes for years on this site, the discussion about when the end did eventually come was pretty disappointing IMO.

To be honest, once I knew that the "last flight" (#2014) wasn't going to be the "last flight", I didn't care as much about getting a trip report in. I still may do it though. I just don't have time right now. I'm surprised there wasn't more from the rest of the fans though.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 22):
I forgot about Maxton. IIRC some of the old NW 747's went there, too. I was driving to Charlotte one day and almost drove off the road when I saw those red tails sitting in the middle of nowhere.

603 and 606 are still there last I knew. I missed my chance at seeing 601 years ago. Didn't take the time to go over from Charlotte. Kick myself now. Seeing the nose in the Smithsonian isn't the same.


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

I was out to Maxton about a year ago - photos here:

http://www.moose135photography.com/A...rplanes/Laurinburg-Maxton-Aircraft

You can still get up close to the two DC-10s and several 727s at Maxton out on the ramp.

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Laurinburg-Maxton-Aircraft/i-zRVDcLW/0/XL/JM_2013_02_18_Maxton_Boneyard_027-XL.jpg

The 747s are in a different part of the airport, along with some other interesting things, but not easily accessible to the public.

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Laurinburg-Maxton-Aircraft/i-xxg79cS/0/XL/JM_2013_02_18_Maxton_Boneyard_003-XL.jpg



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User currently offlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1713 times:
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Quoting moose135 (Reply 24):

Those are awesome pictures! It's good to see that there are still lots of NWA bowling shoe planes still out there in the world. Too bad these birds never will fly again though. Do people often go there to take pictures?


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 26, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 24):
along with some other interesting things, but not easily accessible to the public.

Are the crash hulks still out there?

Quoting UA444 (Reply 25):
Do people often go there to take pictures?

I don't think you realize just how remote Maxton is. There's nothing out there. I went out there on a Sunday and everything (I mean everything) was closed and I was the only person on the roads.

You don't go wandering around in the fields either. The ticks are numerous and there are lots and lots of very mean snakes. One was even found in a toilet in the women's bathroom while I was there.


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 27, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

It's not quite in the middle of no where, Chris.  
Quoting chrisair (Reply 26):
Are the crash hulks still out there?

Not that I saw, but I there is some stuff hidden from view. If you look on Google Maps, you can see the real salvage area on the south side of the airport - that's where the two 747s, an ex-KAL A300, and some neat stuff is, along with more behind the tree line. I've been told to not even try getting in there.

The NW DC-10s and 727s are on the ramp near the terminal building. I drove down, and a friend flew in with his CFI. We just told the guy at the desk that we were going to shoot the old airplanes, and he didn't seem to care. There was some construction going on, looked like storm drains or sewers, and the workers just smiled and waved as we walked past - it was a Saturday morning, and they had a crew out. On the far side of the field, there is a private security training facility - think Blackwater-type security.

The US Army Golden Knights also use the airfield for training during the week, and have a facility not far from the terminal.



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Hi moose135

Just looked at your gallery.

Nice shots that you got in 2013.

Your point about not going into the Southside of the airport, is that due to the snakes or the private security facility.


User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2112 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 20):
There are also some MD-90s that went there for the same fate, I am unsure of their origin.

According to Planespotters, they're both ex-Reno Air/AA/Lion Air frames.



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User currently onlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
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Quoting moose135 (Reply 24):
I was out to Maxton about a year ago - photos here:

Great photos from MXE---thanks for sharing!! One question is that one of your photos appears to show SWA doors---I have a record of all a/c that were scrapped at MXE and in storage and no SWA a/c have been terminated there. Can you clarify?


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 31, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 28):
Your point about not going into the Southside of the airport, is that due to the snakes or the private security facility.

The security facility is on the east side, away from the salvage area. There isn't any way, short of walking across the runway/taxiway, of reaching the salvage area from the ramp/terminal, and I didn't run across any obvious entrances from the public road. I think they simply discourage outsiders from getting too close to their operation.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 30):
...no SWA a/c have been terminated there. Can you clarify?

I have no idea. They, along with a number of other doors, were on the ramp near the DC-10s. No idea where they came from or where they are going. They all looked to be in decent condition, so I don't think they were sitting out there very long. It's probably worth another trip before long to see what else is happening there.



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 971 times:

Hopefully we will see the results of your trip.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 910 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 27):

It's not quite in the middle of no where, Chris.

Well it ain't exactly close to anything...although I'm sure the city has built up since I was last there.

Quoting moose135 (Reply 31):
There isn't any way, short of walking across the runway/taxiway, of reaching the salvage area from the ramp/terminal, and I didn't run across any obvious entrances from the public road. I think they simply discourage outsiders from getting too close to their operation.

You need to drive over there from the ramp. I asked one of the salvage guys who was working on one of the 747s about it and he drove me through the fields over there.

This was many years ago but it's worth a shot if you see someone. Chances are you might need a case of beer or some dip to sweeten the deal for them...


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 34, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 886 times:

The discussion about Maxton is very interesting.

If the Mods feel that we are moving off topic, perhaps they can move it to a new thread instead of deleting it.


User currently offlineWesternDC6B From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 878 times:
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Someone, anyone. Please forgive my ignorance, but, what is a bowling shoe livery?


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 36, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 875 times:

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 35):
Please forgive my ignorance, but, what is a bowling shoe livery?

Notice the similarity?  http://cathiesfreelancework.com/zencart/images/standard.jpg

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Laurinburg-Maxton-Aircraft/i-xxg79cS/0/XL/JM_2013_02_18_Maxton_Boneyard_003-XL.jpg



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User currently offlineWesternDC6B From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 810 times:
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Quoting moose135 (Reply 36):
Notice the similarity?  

-shrug- I guess... Thank you.



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