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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Hi everybody,

I just watched on BR Alpha (a german TV station) a repetition of a 25 years old news program, "Tagesschau" of 11Oct 1976. Helmut Schmidt (german "prime minister") travelled to London. The aircraft he took was a Luftwaffe (German Air Force) aircraft with the registration 11+02.

Can anybody help me waht type of aircraft that was?

Thanks in advance,
Ndebele.

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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13240 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Was it a small jetliner, with an odd configuration of engines mounted on top of the wing?
If so, it was a VFW-614, an early regional jet that was a joint project between the German and Dutch aerospace industries.
They entered service in the mid 1970's, but few were built. It was hopelessly uneconomic to operate and expensive to buy and maintain.
The engines were the Anglo-Frence M45, a version of an original engine designed for the late 1960's AVFG, (Anglo French Variable Geometry), a combat aircraft rather similar to the later Tornado. The AVFG was cancelled at an early design stage in 1967.
The Luftwaffe brought 3 VFW-614s, and used them until a few years ago.
Alternatively, if it was a large executive jet with 4 rear-mounted engines, maybe one of the Lockheed Jetstars that I believe were operated by the Luftwaffe at that time.
This is off the top of my head, is there a picture of this aircraft in the photo section?


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Should have been a 707, will check tomorrow.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Puzzles me. I think that the 707s were 10+xx and the 614s were 17+xx. What else can they have had?


Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineAviator100 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1474 times:
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The first German 1102 was a Lockheed L-1329 Jetstar 8 c/n 5121. After it was sold to Egypt as SU-DAG, there was a second 1102: Tupolev Tu-154M c/n 89A-813, that was destroyed 13 sept. 1997 in a mid-air collision with a USAF C-141 Starlifter over the South Atlantic.

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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Yes, probably it was a JetStar - I know what a 707 looks like, and I've seen several VFWs, but I'm too young to know what a Jetstar looks like, we don't have these aircraft very often here in Europe any more.

Thanks for all your information!
Ndebele.


User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

The TU-154 was a leftover from Interflug.


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User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

The TU-154 was a leftover from Interflug.


I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineAviator100 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1433 times:
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This is what a Jetstar looks like:

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Photo © Mel Lawrence



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