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User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

This could be a trip report except I'm looking for input from Silver Airways employees and people familiar with the company. It appears that any semblance of 3M being an actual scheduled regional airline is shaky at best.

Ironically the first inkling I had that we may have a problem with Silver Airways came listening to a morning radio show on Tampa's 970am WFLA. Local broadcasting legend Jack Harris told listeners on AM Tampa Bay of his plight attempting to fly from TPA to TLH on a Friday afternoon to meet-up with his wife and teenager attending Florida State University. When given the run-around then told the 3:26 pm flight was tentatively re-scheduled to 6 pm, the septuagenarian celebrity decided it was faster to do the 283 mile cannonball run in a rental car. If Jack Harris, who does the service announcements over the P.A. at Tampa International can't get a straight answer about the actual reason for his flight delay, what chance do the rest of us have?

Cut to this past Friday morning and our Silver Airways flight 4007 from TPA to EYW. The 8 am flight was delayed until 10:20 with no explanation or creative excuse given by any agent. But sitting for hours downstairs at gate 1 in Terminal A, we soon found out that every flight that morning was delayed; the one to Tallahassee and to Fort Lauderdale as well as our flight to Key West. And when there was an eventual arrival of a Saab 340B Plus there was no effort to turn around the a/c in a minimum amount of time. Instead, in both instances crews race from the aircraft, across the ramp into the terminal and up the escalator for a protracted time. Racing to dispatch? No.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we will start boarding the aircraft as soon as the flight attendant returns."

Ten minutes later a flight attendant, in platform stilettos no less, was seen racing at about a 4.8 second 40-yard dash to the plane with a large wrapped breakfast treat in her hand. Forty-five minutes later the same process was repeated by the crew of the Ft. Lauderdale flight; Captain and F/O making a mad dash up the escalator leaving the poor hapless desk agents to fend for themselves against the thundering herd, only to re-emerge some minutes later with grilled goodness from the Green Iguana restuarant in Terminal A. Where is all this in the procedures training manual of Silver Airways?

In the final insult to the very definition of the term scheduled airline, as we were in the departure area in Key West waiting for our on-time Delta Boeing 737-700 flight to ATL, an announcement was heard that the Silver Airways flight to Ft. Lauderdale would be delayed significantly due to weather. On this benign and beautiful day in south Florida there were apparently raging level 5 thunderstorms in all quadrants and wind shear alerts on all FLL runways. However shortly afterward came the inevitable flight cancellation and the usual angry response from the assembled pax.

Is this any way to run and airline? What is Silver Airways doing to remedy this? It is clearly a pilot shortage and crewing problem.

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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9257 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Thread starter):
Ten minutes later a flight attendant, in platform stilettos no less, was seen racing at about a 4.8 second 40-yard dash to the plane with a large wrapped breakfast treat in her hand. Forty-five minutes later the same process was repeated by the crew of the Ft. Lauderdale flight; Captain and F/O making a mad dash up the escalator leaving the poor hapless desk agents to fend for themselves against the thundering herd, only to re-emerge some minutes later with grilled goodness from the Green Iguana restuarant in Terminal A.

Crew members should not be allowed to eat. It's sad that they run to get food. I mean, I would rather them pass out due to low blood sugar from not eating than to give them 10 minutes to get breakfast or lunch.  Wow!   



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User currently offlineflight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9016 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Thread starter):
Where is all this in the procedures training manual of Silver Airways?

People like YOU are the problem; apparently expecting these crewmembers to work without taking time to get food in-between flights.

I've come across a similar situation where a passenger confronted me heading to the gate to a delayed flight with food in my hand. Quite frankly, they should be glad I didn't go to a full service sit down restaurant and delay the flight even more. I wouldn't want the crew of my flight working hungry, and neither should you.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21696 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8970 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Thread starter):
Ten minutes later a flight attendant, in platform stilettos no less, was seen racing at about a 4.8 second 40-yard dash to the plane with a large wrapped breakfast treat in her hand. Forty-five minutes later the same process was repeated by the crew of the Ft. Lauderdale flight; Captain and F/O making a mad dash up the escalator leaving the poor hapless desk agents to fend for themselves against the thundering herd, only to re-emerge some minutes later with grilled goodness from the Green Iguana restuarant in Terminal A. Where is all this in the procedures training manual of Silver Airways?

It's not there, but it is in the procedures training manual for life, which supersedes any airline's training manual: at some point in the day, you have to eat in order to continue to do your job properly. If your flights are consistently delayed and the time available to do so goes away, you're going to have to pick a spot to fit it back in again, and you're going to effect some passengers, which sucks, and which nobody likes to do. But sometimes it has to be done.

-Mir



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 months 6 days ago) and read 8906 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 1):
Quoting flight152 (Reply 2):
Quoting Mir (Reply 3):

Interesting that none of you address the 3hr delay, the 2 hr delay...rather long delays for fairly simple intra-Florida flights.

But hey that's not a issue!



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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 777 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 months 6 days ago) and read 8835 times:

So I am to understand that you would support Silver Airways crews in a fight with management to have proper crew meals boarded and available to them on the aircraft? Of course this would probably raise the cost of the ticket a couple of bucks. But it would ensure that the crew wouldn't have to go racing in to purchase some food to scarf down and get you on your way to your destination faster.

User currently offlineflight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 months 6 days ago) and read 8769 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 4):
Interesting that none of you address the 3hr delay, the 2 hr delay...rather long delays for fairly simple intra-Florida flights.

But hey that's not a issue!

None of us said that wasn't an issue, but the comment the original poster made about the food WAS an issue.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't book a 3M flight not expecting some sort of delay.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 months 6 days ago) and read 8727 times:

You could insert just about any regional airline in the title and the story will be almost the same. Things are starting to get really bad everywhere, but the issues are manifesting themselves at the lowest end (by pay) first with Lakes and Silver. The bad part is that if people think things are tight now, just wait until summer. And I can also personally attest to the lack of time for food, as well.

I didn't have it all that bad at Eagle, I never worked more than five legs in a day so I can only imagining it being worse at Silver, etc. On days where you're flying 7 hours and 55 minutes with 30 minute turns there isn't much time to get something so you have to make time. Sometimes that interferes with the schedule but so what? Don't blame the crew, it's not their fault.

In fact at Eagle, we were often told that we needed to go get food for the flight attendants because they weren't even allowed to step off the plane so as to "maintain schedule integrity". It was the pilot's responsibility to go get food for them. Which of course we didn't have a problem with, of course, our problem was with the company telling them they couldn't get off the plane; plus we get pretty busy too. So we would always just tell them to go and if the company gives them a hard time, we'll back them up.

And please don't read this the wrong way, I'm not trying to incite an argument, I just simply want people to know what goes on so they understand. But long story short, this ball is just starting to roll and the next few months are going to be very interesting to watch.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Like every regional airline right now, I suspect that they are having trouble recruiting and retaining pilots. New crew rest requirements will compound the staffing problem, as you can no longer expect the pilot to be back at the airport 8 hours after the last flight of the night landed.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 4):
Interesting that none of you address the 3hr delay, the 2 hr delay...rather long delays for fairly simple intra-Florida flights.

But hey that's not a issue!

there's usually a thunderstorm somewhere in Florida on any given day. Weather delays shouldn't be unexpected. I haven't looked at their utilization, it's very possible that they are scheduling too much flying for the number of aircraft or pilots that they have.


User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 906 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 7):
You could insert just about any regional airline in the title and the story will be almost the same. Things are starting to get really bad everywhere, but the issues are manifesting themselves at the lowest end (by pay) first with Lakes and Silver. The bad part is that if people think things are tight now, just wait until summer...

...And please don't read this the wrong way, I'm not trying to incite an argument, I just simply want people to know what goes on so they understand. But long story short, this ball is just starting to roll and the next few months are going to be very interesting to watch.

Excellent post, Acey559. From what I'm hearing, your prediction about this coming summer will likely be accurate.

Many years ago, I was a management pilot at a large regional airline. One day, one of the Ops Managers called the office and was quite upset that one of the crews had asked for crew meals - something we didn't provide. Given that the operation had been running late all day, I thought it was an excellent idea by this crew, so I asked the Ops Manager what they wanted. She was aghast that I'd go get meals for them - so I explained that it was much smarter for me to get the meals and hand them to the crew than to force them to fend for themselves.

Damn those prima donna pilots - let them eat, er... ...nothing!  



My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
User currently offline175erj From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

or... the crews could pack a food bag, like many crews of larger airlines, including those at Southwest do. Or, the captain could run and get food while the FO pre-flights and the FA is available for boarding. It's not about not letting the crews eat, just there is a smarter way to go about it.

And yes, Silver is having major crew issues though management won't admit it.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8056 times:

Quoting 175erj (Reply 10):

That's often how we went about it. We were just a little peeved at the principle of the email. Flight attendants stand around the airplane all day and while we often had chances to at least take a step off for a "breather", the flight attendants often didn't. Just a quick walk up the jetbridge and back was helpful to help clear their heads a bit. But I get what you're saying. And packing for five days is easier said than done!   I tried a few times but never really figured out a system. Plenty do, I know, but I was never dedicated enough, I guess.


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3123 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 8):
Like every regional airline right now, I suspect that they are having trouble recruiting and retaining pilots.

Isn't this the heart of the problem pure and simple?


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Thread starter):

Not sure what you expect them to do. If there's a weather issue at FLL there's a weather issue.

Quoting flight152 (Reply 2):

Quite frankly YOU are the problem. The fact that you would willingly and deliberately delay a flight is shocking. Your customers who pay your salary should be grateful to you that you didn't delay their flight eve further because you can't plan ahead enough to eat? Maybe you need to reassess your career choices, because somehow tens of thousands of flights per day are operated on time at all levels of the industry, and yet you can't get your act together to keep yourself nourished and do your job...

[Edited 2014-03-23 18:58:17]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21696 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Quoting 175erj (Reply 10):
or... the crews could pack a food bag, like many crews of larger airlines, including those at Southwest do.

And if they spent the previous night away from base, they would get the food for that bag from...?

Quoting catiii (Reply 13):
The fact that you would willingly and deliberately delay a flight is shocking. Your customers who pay your salary should be grateful to you that you didn't delay their flight eve further because you can't plan ahead enough to eat?

You assume that people don't plan ahead, but there are a number of things that could have ruined any plans they made. If a long weather delay happens, that hour that you figured you had to grab something can become a half-hour turn. But you've still got to eat something, otherwise you're not going to make it through the day. That's just reality. And if the airline is getting too many flights leaving late because the crews need to run and grab something to eat, that's a sign that they are running too tight of a schedule for their crews to realistically fly.

-Mir



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):

Fine, stuff happens. And I don't disagree at all with the necessity of eating. But the attitude of "screw you,you should be grateful I didn't willfully try and delay you even more" is ridiculous.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5080 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7594 times:

I agree with others about the importance of eating. It would be an absolute disaster if we expected crews to go hungry in the name of a schedule. Sorry, but health and sanity are two very important aspects of a crew. This practice is done at almost every airline. F9 crews would run to the nearest food place to grab a quick meal to go. I would happily take a delay any day to ensure my crews had a bite to eat. I can't perform at my best on an empty stomach, and good luck getting a smile out of me if I have a hunger headache.


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User currently offlineAirontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 555 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 15):
Fine, stuff happens. And I don't disagree at all with the necessity of eating. But the attitude of "screw you,you should be grateful I didn't willfully try and delay you even more" is ridiculous.

I don't think anyone said or feel this way. Earlier in the thread someone stated that sometimes you have to get off the plane to get food, even if it means causing a delay for the passengers. It's not something anyone wants to do, but you know sometimes it's a necessity. It's the aviation industry. No matter how hard to plan ahead and try to making things run perfectly, sometimes they just don't run the way you want them to. It's not necessarily anybody's fault, it's just the way things happen.


User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 906 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Quoting Airontario (Reply 17):
I don't think anyone said or feel this way. Earlier in the thread someone stated that sometimes you have to get off the plane to get food, even if it means causing a delay for the passengers. It's not something anyone wants to do, but you know sometimes it's a necessity. It's the aviation industry. No matter how hard to plan ahead and try to making things run perfectly, sometimes they just don't run the way you want them to. It's not necessarily anybody's fault, it's just the way things happen.

Right, thank you. No one in this thread suggested sitting down for a meal. Quite the contrary, in fact:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Thread starter):
Ten minutes later a flight attendant, in platform stilettos no less, was seen racing at about a 4.8 second 40-yard dash to the plane with a large wrapped breakfast treat in her hand. Forty-five minutes later the same process was repeated by the crew of the Ft. Lauderdale flight; Captain and F/O making a mad dash

Is safety more important than schedule? It is and it should be.

Quoting catiii (Reply 13):
Quite frankly YOU are the problem. The fact that you would willingly and deliberately delay a flight is shocking. Your customers who pay your salary should be grateful to you that you didn't delay their flight eve further because you can't plan ahead enough to eat?

  



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User currently offlinedashman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7091 times:

Unfortunately this is happening even at the regionals ones you might not think.
Bottom line, intstead of making snide remarks and innuendos contact managment of the particular airline. They created the problem. Don't expect crews crews to give 120 percent day in and day out in order to compensate for managements inability to do "their job"


User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 13):
Quite frankly YOU are the problem. The fact that you would willingly and deliberately delay a flight is shocking. Your customers who pay your salary should be grateful to you that you didn't delay their flight eve further because you can't plan ahead enough to eat? Maybe you need to reassess your career choices, because somehow tens of thousands of flights per day are operated on time at all levels of the industry, and yet you can't get your act together to keep yourself nourished and do your job...

Seriously? You're the kind of passenger we hate. It's not as simple as it may seem to you. Often times on the layover the only food options are a vending machine. At regionals crews work 4-7 flights a day often with very little ground time. Don't blame the crew, blame scheduling. I'd like to see you at work with no break what so ever, not even 10mins to go grab something.


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 13):
Quite frankly YOU are the problem. The fact that you would willingly and deliberately delay a flight is shocking. Your customers who pay your salary should be grateful to you that you didn't delay their flight eve further because you can't plan ahead enough to eat? Maybe you need to reassess your career choices, because somehow tens of thousands of flights per day are operated on time at all levels of the industry, and yet you can't get your act together to keep yourself nourished and do your job...

About a year ago I had planned to grab lunch on our 90 minute sit at the hub. Right after pushback to fly to the hub ATC informed us that we now had a two hour ATC delay because an aircraft had an incident and one of the runways was closed. Dispatch told us not to return to the gate so we could be ready to go in case our wheels up time changed. It didn't, and when we arrived at the hub we had negative 30 minutes to deplane our passengers, walk to a new aircraft, board the passengers, and depart. We were hungry, so we stopped and picked up a couple of sandwiches that we scarfed down in the cockpit while preparing the aircraft. How exactly should we have planned ahead for that?


User currently offlinefreeze3192 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 13):
Quite frankly YOU are the problem. The fact that you would willingly and deliberately delay a flight is shocking. Your customers who pay your salary should be grateful to you that you didn't delay their flight eve further because you can't plan ahead enough to eat? Maybe you need to reassess your career choices, because somehow tens of thousands of flights per day are operated on time at all levels of the industry, and yet you can't get your act together to keep yourself nourished and do your job...

Quite frankly YOU have no IDEA what YOU are talking about. Come work a day in my shoes, 6 legs a day, delayed all day, day 4 of 4, pushing the duty limits of Part 117 and you find yourself a time to eat.

And yes, you ARE lucky that I didn't decide to sit down and have a meal the dignified way, at a table and chair. Not sitting in a cockpit with a yoke in my lap trying to scarf down my food before it gets cold in between doing flows, checklists and paperwork.

YOU are the traveler that crews hate. You see your self as an expert of everything, though in reality you are an expert at nothing and you expect your crew to move heaven and earth to get you to your destination 25 minutes early so you can make your 30 minute connection that you stupidy booked through EWR, on a ticket that cost you $125 to fly 800 miles. Then you whine and throw a temper tantrum when you don't get your way like the self-entitled weenie that we all see you as.

                 



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User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

I've delayed flights in the past, and will in the future if my crew and I need a meal break. People can be mad, threaten my job, call me names, tell me how important they are or their schedule might be but if we can't fulfill the most fundamental of needs on Maslow's hierarchy, then the rest doesn't matter.

That being said, the folks on here so incensed that we might try and feed ourselves without consideration to the customer, or schedule are poorly misguided in their thinking. Further it is absurd to assume we don't plan ahead to incorporate or food into the turns that are adequately long enough to get food or that we don't try to bring food from home. But, food runs out. We don't always have time or the means to buy more on an overnight. Schedules change, and our breaks evaporate quickly when we encounter a maintenance or weather or some other delay beyond our control leaving us with little or no time to nourish ourselves. So, at some point we just have to put the brakes on the operation to give ourselves a break in order to make sure we can function at the highest level for each flight.

I'm sorry your flight was delayed while the crew went and found some nibbles. But your safety is our top priority and that applies to all functions of the operation, including crew member well being. Next time I hope you find some patience and understanding.



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User currently offlinedeltadudejg From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

I have heard from some PSA pilots that Silver isn't doing so hot these days, possibly going to shut down soon here. I always treat aviation news the same way, don't believe anything til you actually see something. Either way I always love seeing the 3M aircraft in Tampa, love Saabs they are great turboprops.


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25 n6238p : Remember boys and girls, we're just the bus drivers of the sky and it's all our fault someone missed their 20 minute connection they booked via Orbitz
26 captainstefan : As someone who definitely turns into a diva when he's hungry (Snicker's commercials), I have no problem at all waiting for a crew to go get food. I th
27 Highflier92660 : A note to all above posters who work at a regional airline: I'll bet you think my hero is spokesman Roger Cohen, the Baron Scarpia of the Regional Air
28 usa330300 : This must be her block. Have seen her several times. She is quite the sight.
29 infiniti329 : It is blasphemous that people on here think pilots are not humans beings. Pilots dont run on jetA like their planes do. They run on food and water jus
30 anjin : In Europe a break of 20 mins is required (duty less than 6hrs) Food is fuel, no fuel and pilots make mistakes Rather a delay than a mistake. Sounds as
31 B727FA : This is almost comical if it weren't so serious. Pack ahead? Plan to eat? I guess crews should only ever eat non-perishable pre-packaged things; becau
32 freakydeaky : Pilots, please pack your lunch and dinner and store it in your warm cockpit where it will stew in bacteria for a few hours. Yummy. Just take a sick sa
33 Web500sjc : Silly me, I thought this thread was about Silver airways not being able to preform their schedules. It is not bad crew, you don't get lunch - more si
34 peachair : We can air our dirty laundry here all we want, and I understand the frustration. I started my carrier with a company very similar to yours, but at th
35 atct : I used to work for a really crappy outfit called Regions Air. 9 legs a day with crappy pay. I would loved for 6 legs. I missed many meals and had many
36 Mir : It's just not a good idea from a safety standpoint - that sort of thing is going to leave you malnourished if you do it long enough, which has an adv
37 newhaven : Re post below .... edited.[Edited 2014-03-24 16:09:22]
38 Post contains images Acey559 : Anyone remember the IMSAFE checklist? Just saying.
39 newhaven : BULL ! Your job is to transport passengers. And if your flight is running late already, then too bad. That's why so many flight crews pack snacks to
40 ridgid727 : Thanks for saying that, you are spot on. Those who think spending money has power over others makes me sick!
41 coolian2 : Just wow guys. In my job I will move heaven and earth to serve a customer. I've gone home hours late more than once, but ultimately eventually somethi
42 C767P : How should this be done for day four when hotels have no refrigerators? Cup Noodles? That’s healthy! I think most crews are responsible about grabb
43 newhaven : Go back and read Reply 2 from Flight1152. And your level of professionalism and dignity boggles my mind. Calling your passengers self entitled weenie
44 coolian2 : How does that post do anything other than prove my point?
45 atct : Thats what we did. I did it for years. Its known as non-perishable food. Check it out next time you visit the grocery store, its a miraculous thing w
46 thegoldenargosy : I'm appalled by the lack of basic respect for crews displayed on this thread.
47 flight152 : It's people like you that makes me realize that there are some pretty awful people out there. My well being is a little more important then making su
48 atct : Respect is earned, not given.
49 thegoldenargosy : So crews aren't allowed to eat? This thread is like Flyer Talk.
50 futureualpilot : I know, that attitude is rampant in this thread, but we, the crews, are charged with ensuring we are fit for duty. What the customer wants is importa
51 futureualpilot : How about respecting flight crews not as mindless drones in a uniform but as human beings who have needs that must be met? Or is bit of understanding
52 flight152 : What else should I not be entitled to in the name of schedule integrity? Restroom breaks? Sleep at night? Time off to see my family? Water?
53 FlyHossD : Who - other than you - has stated that a crew should sit down for a meal? Quite the contrary, every one has been talked about the need to "grab a bit
54 B727FA : I'm just stunned that people are thinking it's "ok" to ask people to got 14+ hrs w/o a break...of any kind. Do people realize that people need nutriti
55 N353SK : Well then feel free to bring him a sandwich the next time you're on his flight. My company has a clause buried in the pilot contract stating that a p
56 silentbob : I'm not the least bit surprised. There are a lot of internet tough guys that love to get behind a keyboard and bash out the abuse that they have been
57 rfields5421 : A few years ago I used to fly SDF-MCI-DAL on WN frequently - departing about 1730L at SDF. Almost every flight at STL - one of the pilots would go in
58 Post contains images OB1504 : Maybe pilots' professionalism would be more up your standards if the manager at the McDonald's they're getting their crew meal from wasn't making mor
59 Post contains images freeze3192 : Once again, a well versed traveler who thinks they are an expert in my field of work. I don't go into doctor's offices and claim to be able to diagno
60 Salukipilot : Wow this thread is even more reason why I haven't posted much on a.net. I'm a Silver CA, been here about 2 years. Previous airline was Trans States. S
61 Highflier92660 : But no one here ever had to fly with Gary. He could make a forty-two minute trip from SBP to LAX an hour long. In physical presence and personality he
62 atct : I believe you failed to read my background. I more than understand as I was at a company that is, by some sentiments, worse than Silver. I did the 9
63 Post contains images B727FA : Galley oven!
64 Mir : Failure to pre-plan a proper schedule on the airline's part does not constitute an emergency on the crew's that necessitates them skimping on their p
65 freeze3192 : Pretty appalling coming from someone who supposedly worked as a flight crew member in this industry. I don't work for Silver but I suppose at Regions
66 futureualpilot : I read it just fine. If you were in fact a professional pilot I would expect better from you. Jeopardizing safety by not eating is unacceptable. Your
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Jetblue Announces Codeshare With Silver Airways posted Wed Dec 4 2013 16:22:30 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Really Screwy US Airways Flight Schedules posted Sat Apr 2 2005 20:08:06 by PanAm330
Silver Airways Ends CLE Service; Grounds B1900s posted Fri Feb 14 2014 09:47:44 by LAXintl
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Jetblue Announces Codeshare With Silver Airways posted Wed Dec 4 2013 16:22:30 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Jetblue Announces Codeshare With Silver Airways posted Wed Dec 4 2013 16:22:30 by THEFLLFLYER
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Silver Airways Ends CLE Service; Grounds B1900s posted Fri Feb 14 2014 09:47:44 by LAXintl
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Jetblue Announces Codeshare With Silver Airways posted Wed Dec 4 2013 16:22:30 by THEFLLFLYER
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Really Screwy US Airways Flight Schedules posted Sat Apr 2 2005 20:08:06 by PanAm330
Silver Airways Ends CLE Service; Grounds B1900s posted Fri Feb 14 2014 09:47:44 by LAXintl
Jetblue Announces Codeshare With Silver Airways posted Wed Dec 4 2013 16:22:30 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Jetblue Announces Codeshare With Silver Airways posted Wed Dec 4 2013 16:22:30 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Getting New Paint For 1900D? posted Fri Sep 6 2013 16:50:17 by n797mx
Silver Airways Announces PBI-FPO/ELH/MCO & MCO-TLH posted Thu Sep 5 2013 11:18:18 by THEFLLFLYER
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl
Silver Airways Wont Re-bid Montana posted Sat Jun 29 2013 21:33:16 by ridgid727
Silver Airways Going Solo In Florida posted Thu May 30 2013 20:25:40 by FlyDeltaJets
Why Dead Flight Schedules In OSH? posted Sat Apr 13 2013 00:05:20 by Q
Pilot Impersonator On US Airways Flight… posted Thu Mar 21 2013 20:27:48 by kiffy
Air Pacific Loses CEO; Moves To Silver Airways USA posted Mon Feb 11 2013 07:52:17 by LAXintl