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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 44  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1 (by Longhornmaniac Mar 7 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 42 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 21 2014 in Civil Aviation)

MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 43 (by SA7700 Mar 22 2014 in Civil Aviation)


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**** ADDITIONAL NEWS REPORTS ****

MH370: search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane extended to southern Indian Ocean

Najib's full press statement on MH370

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: What we know so far

MISSING MH370: Timeline

Flight MH370: Police focus on pilots as search for airliner goes on - live updates

Flight MH370: New timeline casts doubt on pilot deception theory

MISSING MH370: ACARS cannot be disabled

MISSING MH370: Search for missing aircraft above politics: Hishamuddin


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User currently offlinelazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 75031 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 251 - Thread Part 43):
"The Kiwi's managed to find a wooden pallet, apparently there are some straps connected to this item which points to possible wreckage, consistent with air cargo from what I read ?"

I'm 90% sold this is wreckage from MH370. The next big question is where is the rest of her? If the French are right, they have found a debris field nearly 1000kms north of where we are currently looking. The final salvage could take longer than AF447.


User currently offlinedavidzill From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 74556 times:

Sounds like there are additional observations reports of possible wreckage coming in now, this time from a Chinese military aircraft. On to the other big development, that the 777 made a rapid descent to 12,000' might indicate a deliberate maneuver performed in reaction a rapid cabin depressurization. I'm beginning to lean towards the idea there was NO foul play, and that this is a tragic incident involving either (1) cargo induced fire...(2) electrical fire...(that were both possibly extinguished possibly after the crew was disabled). This is not the first incident involving the turning off of a transponder with a following catastrophe, I think we are putting too much wait to this and that the transponder being turned off may have very little to do with what actually happened. It may turn out that with a closer look those systems may have been disabled by a fire in the E & E bay and that the pilots may have been overwhelmed with smoke in the cabin and cockpit, as well as loss of many but not all of the electrical systems, combined with being zero dark thirty over the ocean, these guys had everything going against them. Initial maneuver MAY indicate an immediate direct vector towards a divert field on Palau island or maybe a return to the original airport. Or maybe the two Iranian men had shoe bomb type weapons. Again, I believe we should put more credibility towards the observations from the gentleman on the oil rig.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 74374 times:

I have concerns about multiple countries being invited to send their aircraft to the search area, including nations which have previously released satellite pictures and other "evidence" which sent the SAR mission to the wrong ocean after the aircraft disappeared.

If I had something to hide in location A, would I consider dropping freight palettes or wreckage I had had in Location A in the vicinity of Location B?

Any old country currently seems to be free to overfly this area and drop into the ocean whatever "evidence" it cares to.

Last week's Malaysian briefings effectively mean that this area is a crime scene.

And the unrestricted access allowed to military aircraft from half a dozen countries has ensured that it is now a contaminated crime scene, in which no wreckage can be taken at face value.

[Edited 2014-03-23 23:51:50]

User currently offlinedavidzill From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 74359 times:

Quoting lazybones (Reply 1):
I'm 90% sold this is wreckage from MH370. The next big question is where is the rest of her? If the French are right, they have found a debris field nearly 1000kms north of where we are currently looking. The final salvage could take longer than AF447.

Yes indeed, the volatile and powerful currents and choppy seas have probably swept debris all over the place...so possibly where we finally find confirmed pieces of the aircraft may be hundred of miles away from where the aircraft impacted at sea. I believe we will take diligent work from scientist to come up with an accurate computer model of the currents using historical weather data from day one to possibly "back-track" debris to where they originated weeks ago.


User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 74224 times:

Quoting lazybones (Reply 1):
I'm 90% sold this is wreckage from MH370. The next big question is where is the rest of her? If the French are right, they have found a debris field nearly 1000kms north of where we are currently looking. The final salvage could take longer than AF447.

After the number of intense cyclones and tsunamis in the wider region in recent years, there could be all manner of debris littering the oceans. Before any certainty can be reached, it has to be positively ID'd.


User currently offlineLandSweetLand From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 73734 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 3):
And the unrestricted access allowed to military aircraft from half a dozen countries has ensured that it is now a contaminated crime scene, in which no wreckage can be taken at face value.

Isn't it international airspace though? There's not a lot a country can do to stop them (short of things that could be taken as acts of war).


User currently offlinenamezero111111 From Germany, joined Mar 2014, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 73624 times:

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Quoting koruman (Reply 3):
I have concerns about multiple countries being invited to send their aircraft to the search area, including nations which have previously released satellite pictures and other "evidence" which sent the SAR mission to the wrong ocean after the aircraft disappeared.

If I had something to hide in location A, would I consider dropping freight palettes or wreckage I had had in Location A in the vicinity of Location B?

Well I suppose it would be possible. However, this seems rather unlikely, if compared to the possibility that someone just misinterpreted image data.
Also, if I had something to hide in location A, why would I first say "Hey, I found something at A!". Or do you mean they actually had something to hide at C?

Either way, I don't think this possibility would have to be considered at this point.


User currently offlineExpatExp From UK - England, joined Mar 2014, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 72209 times:

Quoting MarkAK (Reply 219):
I don't know what to make of the fact that INMARSAT does not publish the arcs for other than the last ping.

While it might lead to more speculation and confusion to release that data, I wonder if it might simply be embarassing (and saving face is important in many places over there). For example, perhaps those additional arcs, in conjunction with other available data, indicate that the aircraft entered the airspace of countries who have previously denied it… Or who didn't notice…

Quoting koruman (Reply 3):
If I had something to hide in location A, would I consider dropping freight palettes or wreckage I had had in Location A in the vicinity of Location B?

I was thinking the same thing…


User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 71506 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 3):
Last week's Malaysian briefings effectively mean that this area is a crime scene.

And the unrestricted access allowed to military aircraft from half a dozen countries has ensured that it is now a contaminated crime scene, in which no wreckage can be taken at face value.

LoL...and just how are they contaminating the 'crime scene'? In fact the crime scene is the wreckage itself and without these aircraft looking, no one may ever find it. Do you proffer that these aircraft may be dropping false debris into the area? If so...why? I ask because I don't think you're grasping just how far out they're looking...if you did, your theory would be absurd. Now if we were talking a far smaller confined area, the I suppose it would be possible.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 71068 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 3):
And the unrestricted access allowed to military aircraft from half a dozen countries has ensured that it is now a contaminated crime scene, in which no wreckage can be taken at face value.

Ocean currents have surely carried all the floating parts far away from the original crash site already. Besides, most likely all the relevant stuff (wreckage, black boxes) are at bottom of the Indian Ocean already.

Quoting koruman (Reply 3):
If I had something to hide in location A, would I consider dropping freight palettes or wreckage I had had in Location A in the vicinity of Location B?

Nobody is trying to hide anything.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 71037 times:

Reports in that a Chinese plane has spotted 2 large and several smaller objects spread over a few miles in the search area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26678492



Keep calm and up your game!
User currently offlinemonjonman From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 70908 times:

My guess is the smaller square type objects are the foam boxes used to pack the fruit in.

User currently offlinelazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 70876 times:

Davidzill reply 2.. totally with you on this one.

The Malaysian investgators keep using the line the plane was deliberately taken off course. Yup! by a crew who were trying to trouble shoot a serious problem and return base. Nothing malicious what so ever.


User currently offlinemonjonman From Australia, joined Mar 2014, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 70900 times:

The reports are the Aussies on HMAS Success are about to pick up some debri within the next few hours.Lets hope this gives some direction on where to find the black box.

User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 70862 times:

One thing we've already learned from this whole thing:
The oceans are full of garbage!



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlinedamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 70888 times:

Quoting lazybones (Reply 14):

The Malaysian investgators keep using the line the plane was deliberately taken off course. Yup! by a crew who were trying to trouble shoot a serious problem and return base. Nothing malicious what so ever.

And the crew proceeded to enter a few waypoints towards the NW while they diagnose the problem? Does not compute.

In regards to the Langkawi theories. The airport was closed, as it is closed each and every day at that time:

http://aip.dca.gov.my/aip%20pdf/AD/A.../WMKK-Langkawi%20International.pdf

D.


User currently offlinenupogodi From Canada, joined Mar 2014, 909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 70774 times:

CTV News is saying there have been developments in the search and that the PM will make a statement at 1000EDT/1400Z.

That's 10PM KUL time, pretty late for a statement, must be important...

Canadians can watch live here: http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=6...7&binId=1.810401&playlistPageNum=1



A man must know how to look before he can hope to see.
User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 70770 times:

according to BBC, MH send an sms to the relatives:

Quote:
Malaysian Airlines says it now has to assume "beyond any reasonable doubt" that missing flight MH370 has been lost and there are no survivors.

The announcement came in a text message, seen by the BBC, that was sent to families of those on board.

.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26716572



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlineRJA321 From Jordan, joined Mar 2009, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 70731 times:

It seems they've concluded that MH370 ended up in the Indian Ocean.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-spots-white-objects-live-updates


RIP to all on board.



Hurry up, before we all come to our senses!
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 70071 times:

So tomorrow we´ll hear some details. There must be more than just the calculations of the Inmarsat technicians to have the PM announce that the plane went down way west of Perth.

[Edited 2014-03-24 09:27:58]

User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2411 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 69458 times:

Quoting na (Reply 21):

Apparently, INMARSAT re-calculated all the information they already had, and arrived at a much narrower area where MH370 flew last. They also had to take other aircrafts' signals into account, and do several modelling runs on their computers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26720772 gives some hints. They may have been aware that one can calculate positions from INMARSAT data, but MH370 forced them to develop the tools to actually do it, and refine them.

Pretty astounding if you ask me - but I await tomorrow's press conference as well.


David

[Edited 2014-03-24 09:10:36]


Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineloalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 69429 times:

By sms? Really? I know it is probaby very hard to try and reach the families of 239 people at once, but I kinda of missed the moment when humanity started thinking that it is ok to tell that a loved has passed via sms...not nice...


"...this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped."
User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1148 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 69450 times:
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The Malaysian Prime Minister concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight 370 crashed into the southern Indian Ocean, with no survivors. The 777 has still not been located.

R.I.P. To all the people on board. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends. May the victims rest in peace.

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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 70922 times:

I don't know why it took them this long to make that determination. It would seem that that conclusion should have been arrived at sooner if they were disclosing all their information and not trying to misinform and mislead the public. How trustworthy are politicians in todays world?


Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
25 hivue : Looks the forum's back up. So apparently Inmarsat has used Doppler info from the "pings" to eliminate the northern arc and better pinpoint the loci on
26 tugger : According the BBC article linked above, this was cutting edge analysis by Inmarsat that lead to this conclusion. Cramming months worth of work into a
27 Gonzalo : Pretty disrespectful if you ask me.... although I think we all knew the chances of a miracle were very remote, the way MH is handling this delicate i
28 Post contains links theaviator380 : That's not exactly true. Check this out > http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-spots-white-objects-live-updates I doubt MAS will be that callu
29 flyingturtle : Cultural differences, perhaps. Perhaps in other regions of the world you're ready to accept such news via SMS. Perhaps MH has already used a stream o
30 GiveMeABreak : Thanks to the Inmarsat guys for all their hard work. Please note that without their "pings" we would have been all over the place. My heart goes out t
31 harry1983 : They were told face to face at the hotel, and the people who were not present, for whom this was not possible, were informed by text. A little less p
32 Reffado : Assuming Governments don't and MH doesn't either, I would say Boeing will have a play. They can't just have one of their best selling jetliners go mi
33 theaviator380 : Please see my first reply. I doubt there is any truth in that, I have seen one picture where one of the relative of pax on board was crying and Malay
34 NDiesel : Now that the crash is more or less confirmed, what strikes me is how terrifying this must have been for those on board, flying in the wrong direction
35 hivue : If they were conscious.
36 Gonzalo : That's not what all the big news networks ( including BBC which has made a very good job this past weeks ), are showing. The sms messages are a fact.
37 btfarrwm : In this scenario, the pilots were probably trying to change to an emergency squawk code when things got out of control.
38 flyenthu : It is something we all knew but dreaded. Truly one of a kind incident. May the loved ones start healing.
39 capri : well this means tomorrow we may see first debris, until now all this is an assumption beyond reasonable doubt from various high tech conclusion People
40 solarflyer22 : Yeah, that was my thinking exactly. Recreate the Ping pattern from another plane flying in that region as a model. It probably confirmed what we alre
41 Trin : But how on earth does this jive with the plane continuing to fly for 7hrs, and ending up in the southern Indian Ocean? I am asking this out of pure b
42 hivue : And maybe the sent "test" aircraft along the northern route as well.
43 BA84 : They were incapacitated, or dead, not terrified. They just went to sleep.
44 flood : It's worth noting that, in an interview with CNN, an Inmarsat VP said their conclusion was peer reviewed by the industry and Boeing had contributed.
45 Post contains images cpw : I think this is going to be one of the takeaways from this whole event. This investigation is dynamic -- people are learning how to analyze limited d
46 EVAAIRBR076 : Well maybe a bit naive, but let me see the debris first till I believe it is true. Those Malaysians swing too much with their information during the p
47 na : That´ll be quite interesting to see who´ll pay in the end for this massive SAR operation, probably the most expensive in history. Malaysia, China a
48 theaviator380 : If someone wanted to do this as deliberate act why would they declare May Day or squawk 7700 ? So you not buying theory of pilot suicide ? If you int
49 capri : from conference today, MH CEO said co-pilot was his first flight unsupervised and the captain was a qualified examiner, could it be the captain steppe
50 hivue : rcair1 pointed out a week or so ago that we have to deal with what has actually happened (someone had said regarding one of the hijacking theories th
51 ORDFan : Totally agree If true, I think too much is being made of the descent to 12,000 feet. At the very least: it's too easy/early to completely dismiss the
52 Post contains links PanAmPaul : The CEO of Malaysian also issued a video statement which I thought was very well put - far better than the idea of an SMS message. above from Malaysia
53 washingtonflyer : Wonder if we will see active, tamper proof, handshaking between aircraft and satellite or aircraft and maintenance center being mandated going forward
54 Trin : I think you're projecting AF447 a bit too much, here. What you described is almost a carbon copy of the transcripts of the last few minutes of AF447.
55 cat3appr50 : So, the new claim appears to be that after the flight was diverted West shortly after IGARI it then descended quickly to 12,000 ft. altitude (this new
56 BA84 : The captain wouldn't leave the cockpit only 40 minutes into the flight. Not during an ATC hand-off, then immediate left turn.
57 capri : at least there are few commonility with AF447. one of them is a brand new co-pilot who was just checked out in a 777 and doing his first flight with
58 solarflyer22 : Yeah, lol, would not surprise me if that Gulfstream went to Kazakhstan. Yeah, but its IMMERSAT that's confirmed the updated satellite ping detail. I
59 dashman : When they find actual airplane debris not pallets from MH 370 I will believe it has been lost in the Indian Ocean. There are too many countries with s
60 DJM18 : Do we have actual hard data on the descent to 12,000 feet? It would be especially useful to understand how quickly such descent took place. Do we know
61 capri : Not all airlines' procedures are the same and not all pilots follow them exactly, I have seen pilots stepped out sooner we levelled off in my life ti
62 art : It seems that Inmarsat calculated that from processing the last transmission, the aircraft would have insufficient fuel to reach land so must have co
63 btfarrwm : I think you have to accept the things that we "know" happened, try to understand the things that we "think" happened, and then plug in assumptions th
64 captainstefan : Inexperienced FO playing a significant role in the incidents of AF 447, OZ 214, and now with MH 370? I'm really afraid of the general (and government
65 PW100 : So how would you have reached all family members in a timely fashion, while at the same time "leaks" are picked up by journalists reporting their bre
66 canoecarrier : There were 3 pilots in the cockpit of AF447 when it hit the water. And, two when they lost their speeds and the AP/AT disconnected. I don't see the s
67 Trin : The similarities between what the OP posted as his MH370 theory and AF447 are that he postulated that maybe the captain left the cockpit for a few mi
68 captainx : How would the autopilot respond to all engines running out of fuel? Will it glide at min sink until touchdown?
69 BaconButty : Yet it's the Analysis of a British firm, done in conjunction with an American aircraft manager and the British investigation board, that has placed t
70 theaviator380 : Please check latest updates, MAS and Malaysian govt. have officially told people and relatives face to face, also Video message, and sms for those wh
71 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Malaysia it seems: "PETALING JAYA: Malaysia will likely take charge of the official probe in­to what happened to MH370 if it is confirmed that the a
72 DTW2HYD : It appears families signed up for SMS notification, so it is not totally inappropriate. But they could have used SMS to invite families to a conferen
73 Post contains links AR385 : From the guardian: "It is with deep sadness that Malaysia Airlines earlier this evening had to confirm to the families of those on board Flight MH370
74 Finn350 : As suggested by numerous a.netters in previous threads, this has a pilot suicide (or more precisely a murder-suicide) written all over it. I believe t
75 alfons : Your theory asks for a lot of communication between the airplane and the land, a functional communication. Don't you think the Intelligence service o
76 harry1983 : I would have thought it would have been sophisticated enough to do this, although question if that's the desired behavior, as you're not guaranteed t
77 captainx : After incapacitating the other pilot, crew, and PAX, could the pilot parachute over land at 3-12kft (ala DB Cooper) leaving the 777 to carry on per th
78 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Rubbish You should do some BASIC fact checking before posting assertions like this. The FO (PF) on AF447 had 807 hours on type, including 61 hours in
79 hivue : As far as I'm concerned, the decent to 12,000 ft is the next piece of information/possibility/rumor to get straight. If it in fact did occur, is it a
80 DAL763ER : I don't get the point of today's conference. They found some "white objects". That means nothing more than any of the discoveries from the past 14 day
81 Post contains links flyingturtle : The doors are shut in a bomb proof way above a certain altitude - the term is differential pressure. So it had to sink first, and in order to fly suc
82 captainx : Immersat is saying they assumed 350kt speed. Isn't that rather low?
83 AT : Somewhat tangential, but whatever has happened to the families of flight crew? Have they been able to provide any helpful information?
84 hivue : They revealed that Inmarsat has done further study of the SATCOM pings including Doppler analysis compared with aircraft on known flight paths. This
85 nupogodi : Further analysis on INMARSAT data.
86 Kaiarahi : Based on what? Have you talked to the investigators? There are at least two very respected contributors to these threads (Pihero and Mandala499), one
87 capri : I spoke about MH370 FO, who quoted me spoke about AF447 FO
88 hivue : Source?
89 art : Because it has been stated that "beyond reasonable doubt" the aircraft came down in the Indian Ocean.
90 Finn350 : In a mechanical failure and/or a fire and/or a depressurization you would have to explain how the transponder turned off and how the ACARS communicat
91 Post contains images Trin : The discovery of some "white objects" is not the data that Malaysian authorities were basing their assertions on. They made the announcement that the
92 TheRedBAron : NO. you can't jump from a airplane. DB cooper did it in the rear stairs of a 727 with the gear down and flying low and as slow as possible...even then
93 marosbts : Dont think parachutes are standard equipment, so he - either would have to have it in his suitcase, or someone would need to assist him bringing it o
94 captainx : If the cabin was depressurized the exterior doors could be opened, correct? Which door would be easiest to open and jump from?
95 hivue : I understand all that. I'm just saying that if it looks like a depressurization accident and walks like a depressurization accident and quacks like a
96 anfromme : You might want to read up on the news bulletins that actually deal with the announcement that they are certain the flight ended in the Indian ocean.
97 captainx : Was just on CNN and said this.
98 capri : Was you who mentioned AF447, when i made my comments, AF447 never crossed my mind, and as i said before no one has any right to discount any theory a
99 AR385 : Three posts on this already. Somebody stop the insanity please! I thought we were done with the 777-as-a-rocket hypothesis many threads ago. I see yo
100 Kaiarahi : Perhaps you're not familiar with what YOU said: As I noted, the AF447 FO (PF) had 807 hours on type, including 61 hours in the preceding 30 days. Har
101 Post contains images flyingturtle : On a news website, it is frustrating to read comments that MH370 has landed on Diego Garcia. And they say that it is all fishy, INMARSAT should have h
102 MSY-MSP : Well, I have to say while the southern crash arc didn't make sense to me earlier on, after speaking with a former 777 captain now 747 captain we were
103 captainstefan : Probably not. The doors on the 777 pivot out and then toward the nose of the airplane, so unless you have the force to combat 300+kts of wind, you're
104 shortstack81 : I think it's likely they'd paint the wings or tail of the aircraft if they did that with their remains.
105 capri : that doesn't mean i carbon copied AF447 scenario as was suggested or assumed, talking about assumption that's exactly what Malaysian PM said, "assumi
106 hivue : I guess that would be GS? I have no idea what the winds aloft were in that area on March 8.
107 iberiadc852 : Is that compatible with nobody making succesful mobile calls?
108 AR385 : I have a question: With the plane at 12,000ft if this turns out to be true. Would cell phones on board have worked at that altitude?
109 captainx : Yes, I have verified this. Thanks. All on board took the whole ride apparently.
110 Post contains links mffoda : Check out Qnincy Illinois's annual skydive event that started in 92 and went on for years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jUus74x9c
111 davidzill : I believe investigators came to their final conclusion that MH370 hit the deck in the remote area of the southern Indian Ocean upon further examinatio
112 MSY-MSP : Yes, it would be. Out in the middle of the straight for a while 50-100 miles from land. When they realized that they had no control of the aircraft t
113 captainx : What explains the big final left turn to the south after passing Indonsia?????
114 Kaiarahi : AF447 FO's experience is a fact, not a theory. You seriously misstated it.
115 Post contains links 747megatop : Similar to what happened on the SilkAir crash in Indonesia in the late 90s; is it possible to manually pop the breakers for the CVR&FDR on a 777?
116 art : From what I heard on the BBC news (a) a new kind of analysis was done (b) doppler effect was memtioned (c) comparisons were made with known flight da
117 capri : this what was my post from conference today, MH CEO said co-pilot was his first flight unsupervised and the captain was a qualified examiner, could i
118 alfons : What is your former 777 pilot saying about the initial Incident idea (all going off). Did something like this ever happened, and is something like th
119 namezero111111 : I think the circumstances involved here would make the probability of this scenario occurring like that essentially zero. how do you posit these craz
120 Kaiarahi : I suggest you read your own post (Reply 58): Or are you saying that it was identity theft and you didn't write that post?
121 Post contains images mandala499 : Pulau = Malay/Indonesian for Island... Palau island is somewhere in the pacific :p OMG! So the Inmarsat pings are false? Their statement of "consiste
122 Pihero : Against the airstream. Please look how a 777 door opens first. End of subject
123 capri : you should answer reply 55, I wonder why you are avoiding that, a conflict of interest maybe???
124 AustrianZRH : Oh yes, I came across those comments as well. And I tried to talk/write some reason into them. Guess what the answer was: "They managed to cover up 9
125 FltAdmiralRitt : QUOTE " NAMZERO111111 I think the circumstances involved here would make the probability of this scenario occurring like that essentially zero. how do
126 Post contains images Kaiarahi : Did you write reply 58 or not? And did you write reply 118 or not?
127 Post contains links bikerthai : At first I thought you were just having some fun. Then I found this . . . http://www.boeing.com/boeing/defense...ts/702/Inmarsat-5/Inmarsat-5.page? W
128 captainx : A human made (or programmed the FMC) a left turn south after crossing undetected west of Indonesia. That strongly supports the theory that it was all
129 Post contains images MigPilot : what I have learned from all the threads about MH370 is that absolutely nothing is certain! Before the flight recorders are recovered and analyzed or
130 Post contains images jox : My theory is that MH is keeping the cargo manifest secret because it reveals that there were 3 Daleks on board. Apparently they escaped the cargo hold
131 AT : Assuming that this crash is due to deliberate pilot action, then isn't there somewhat of a conflict of interest if Malaysia Airlines or the Malaysian
132 Trin : Oh good grief - *I* mentioned AF447. I mentioned it because I suggested 'capri' was projecting AF447 a bit too much in his/her theory of what happene
133 bueb0g : No, it will pitch up until it stalls and will then disconnect Read your own post, no. 58. You clearly state that both AF 447 and this flight had new
134 FCAFLYBOY : Enough already with the arguing and bickering Kaiarahi and Capri - 239 people Have been confirmed dead today. If you must continue perhaps do it by PM
135 captainx : If this is true, it went straight in unless someone was at the controls to fly it otherwise.
136 solarflyer22 : That's correct. The Doppler effect is well understood by astronomers and NASA and if you are able to analyze any emission (light or radio wave) you w
137 hivue : Aircraft on autopilot, no one awake to alter the long steady track south?
138 65mustang : RCAIR1: Back in Part 42 you answered a question (Part 42, reply 15) of mine with: I think they base that on distance, not doppler. While - in theory,
139 LTC8K6 : Well, first we need to know how it got on that track. It certainly made a number of interesting moves before then.
140 tarmacphotos : The biggest question I have is...Is it possible for an aircraft to hit the water and none of the many ELTs aboard went off? There are several water ac
141 captainx : After Indonesia was passed, someone had to enter either a manual heading SOUTH or had to enter a SOUTH waypoint/route. Someone had to be alive to do
142 Post contains links Finn350 : This is from a BBC interview with Mr McLaughlin, Inmarsat VP. Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26723980 It seems that they are only able to
143 rj777 : I agree with the family committee statement that Malaysian Airlines, the Malaysian government, and the Malaysian Military is covering up something, wi
144 Post contains images hivue : That's a non sequitur. Mechanical problems happen all the time with live crew. And live crew sometimes do strange things.(No, I'm not going to cite A
145 DTW2HYD : Based on PM's statement from his first news conference it is no longer an assumption, at least for legal purposes. Attorneys are going to have a fiel
146 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : It's incredible how they were able to figure this out. I was surprised they were able to figure out how long the individual pings took but using Dopp
147 mika : Amen to this. Whatever will end up being the true cause, if it is ever found, to this human catastrophe (because at the end of the day that's what th
148 Post contains links 747megatop : And for the mystery to be solved the impact area needs to be found accurately before underwater search can commence. This is what the designer of Rem
149 spyglass : Sorry, but all the "satellite data" notwithstanding, I don't believe that plane ever went into the drink. It's on the ground somewhere either in a lar
150 cat3appr50 : What is the source/objective data that confirms after being West of Malaysia, past VPG VOR, VAMPI, and MEKAR (I guess that's the current furthest West
151 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Do you have anything solid to back that up? And I suppose Inmarsat is just making its findings up? I apologize that I can't buy into your well though
152 art : So the slightly more scientific data-based approach adopted by Inmarsat is less believable to you? Time to debunk Inmarsat's data (I would suggest th
153 Post contains links 802flyguy : Sorry if this had already been mentioned, but it is sad (in more than one way) that floating garbage in the ocean is complicating the search: http://e
154 theaviator380 : Does any one what happened to Pilot's sim? Forensic experts were in a process of retrieving data isn't it ? Any new info on that yet? Also does it rea
155 Trin : That has been going around in my head today, too. I think that they need to come out and provide details of what this phonecall was about. I am sure
156 Finn350 : As far as I understand, based on the Inmarsat analysis it can be establisehd that the aircraft was at some point across the southern arc at 8:11 am.
157 AR385 : I agree. But remember how much sway he was having here and the amount of people who believed the craziness he was spewing. You are obviously kidding,
158 Kaiarahi : The searchers have been briefed on what was in the cargo. We (public and a.net rubberneckers) have no need to know. The NTSB won't be making any find
159 Post contains links holzmann : DER SPIEGEL claims MH370 to be the biggest aviation mystery since Ameila Earhart... http://www.spiegel.de/international/...mer-on-fate-of-mh370-a-9604
160 Post contains images hivue : I imagine the NTSB will be invited/allowed to contribute its as the official investigative body for the country of manufacture of the missing aircraf
161 mffoda : There was some early reports that the pilots family was missing/left their home preceding this flight. Has anyone confirmed this, or was this media ra
162 Post contains links hivue : See rcair1's sanity check: MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 42 (by jetblueguy22 Mar 21 2014 in Civil Aviation) under "Pilot
163 skopsko : Something about the Malaysian government announcement that the plane is lost and everyone is dead doesn't make sense to me. First, they still have no
164 DeltaMD90 : While I don't buy into the evidence-less conspiracy theories, I think they should at least explain why they said what they did or be a bit less certa
165 cpw : NTSB has been known to release entities from participating as active members in an investigation if they speak about the investigation on their own (
166 shortstack81 : I get the distinct sense there's two camps in the US establishment, and the people leaking to FWF and others basically think air piracy/terrorism/hij
167 Post contains links Pihero : Want to know more about Inmarsat satellite 'pings'? This is the clearest, easiest to understand explanation about the *pings* : Flight 370 and pings Y
168 mffoda : Yes, I read that. It does not cover the whereabouts of the Captains family... Unless I missed it. Regards,
169 PW100 : You probably aware, but just to point out. You were referring to Inmarsat-5. The Inmarsat-3 series were build by Lockheed Martin Astro Space . . . Rg
170 ozark1 : Yes, I agree completely. I have thought this from the beginning and am confident that they all lost consciousness quickly.
171 PacNWjet : The public may have no right to demand information, but it actually is in the interest of governments to release information to the public if it main
172 Post contains links p51tang : http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/wo...outine-and-flight-vanish.html?_r=0 So Malaysian Air Traffic Control had the first heads up that MH370 went from
173 Mark2fly1034 : Lets say that what they find off the cost off Australia is the plane and it has been at drift for 16/17 days now how far away could the black box be?
174 Lindenwold : I heard the Malaysians won't even interview the family while they're grieving, out of respect.
175 chaseus1 : RIP to those on board. Sometimes the very field of aviation that we love so much makes us so sad. There were people on that plane that hated to travel
176 flyzapper : A few days ago, I calculated that the debris could have drifted 200-400 miles from the crash site (using oceanographic currents and wind direction).
177 TheRedBAron : D.B. Copper and (IF big IF) they could parachute out of the 777 that was done at night...a whole different animal...
178 BackSeater : Estimating altitude and climb rate changes west of Penang One thing that is particularly baffling to me is that the investigators only seem to release
179 Post contains images David L : Precisely. That's what accident investigations are for. This one has barely begun.
180 Post contains links mffoda : I can fully understand and support that position. However, there were reports that the Captains family left their home (or are missing) the day befor
181 Post contains links antskip : The Chinese Government and many relatives of those on board the plane are understandably livid over yet another announcement part-truth, part make-bel
182 Lindenwold : search is suspended today for both sea and air SAR.
183 capri : Well the weather decided to join in the mystery, they have just suspended the search
184 flyingturtle : Actually, web browser pilots have to perform memory items when dealing with conspiracy nuts. 1. Explain that a cover-up might cover up a much more he
185 valleyflyer : The following sentence from the Inmarsat VP makes me think that statistical modelling based on various parameters such as signal strength, time delay,
186 Razza74 : AMSA have suspended search operations today March 25th https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/
187 rcair1 : They clearly found a way to do it - and hats off to them. Very good work - and sounds quite innovative. I do think it was not straight forward - I wo
188 Post contains images mffoda : Hey, hold on there "TheRedBAron"... I was merely pointing out that people routinely jumped out jets/ high performance aircraft. I am not suggesting t
189 skopsko : Yeah, I agree. The announcement itself was just very abrupt -- no explanation of how they arrived at the conclusion or how Inmarsat people arrived at
190 capri : maybe they figured out that with bad weather forcasted there will be no SAR, and decided to come out and just announce it, it really just gets toughe
191 flyingturtle : They're referring to the next press conference. Today they have just announced that all persons have perished and that the plane, according to INMARS
192 American 767 : Yes, and not close to any suitable landing field for the plane. It flew on a South heading for a while before ditching into the Indian Ocean.
193 Starlionblue : We don't know if that is IAS, GS or TAS. If it is IAS, at cruise this would not really be low. I recall a thread about this. If hazy memory serves, a
194 DJM18 : MSY-MSP: It is great to speculate and it seems as if this is a well put together thesis. However, rather than trying to validate your thesis you shou
195 hivue : If it's IAS I would think it might be very close to exceeding Vmo no matter what the altitude and Mmo at cruise.
196 Pihero : The safety of Air transport has already been proven bryond any doubt. This accident will not change its statistics in any way. So that argument is mo
197 nupogodi : I am extremely doubtful that the Inmarsat speeds quotes are IAS, since that would require a lot of assumptions and wouldn't be terribly accurate anywa
198 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Usually when putting forth an idea, one has that little voice in their head saying "well, the theory has X and Y wrong with it." Instead of telling i
199 photchan : With respect to the SAR - are any of the countries using drones with advanced imaging capabilities? I would have thought that with the distances invol
200 jelliesR : I think it is very unlikely that whomever managed to arrange the plane to crash exactly there. By most estimates it simply ran out of fuel. It is too
201 Post contains links mouldypete : Interesting article on possible early morning contrail image on satellite on 8th. March. http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/24/meteosat-mh370-contrails
202 hivue : The lawyers will insist that it's in the interest of governments to release information -- as long as it supports their case. But one has to wonder i
203 Post contains links laxboeingman : CNN just reported the search has been stopped on Tuesday the 25th Australia time due to bad weather. http://www.cnn.com/index.html
204 Post contains links 777Jet : The lines I heard on TV and the text message that was sent to the relatives (the ones that MAS could not contact as there were so many) did not reall
205 Starlionblue : I don't think we have to wonder. It is astounding that aviation is still becoming safer even today. The investment required for each incremental tiny
206 flyingturtle : I must admit that I read the AF447 final report on a long railway journey. It kept my mind busy for hours. I wasn't bored in spite of the seven hours
207 damirc : Given that it was dead of the night, no moon over the skies and the runway was not lit it would make absolutely no sense to go for Langkawi. Penang w
208 Starlionblue : I absolutely agree that the theory is weak. I was just pointing out that a closed airport doesn't mean planes can't physically land there assuming ap
209 nupogodi : It is very weak; a closed airport is the last place a professional pilot would go to make an emergency landing if an open one is within range, as the
210 Tapir : No Sir! This time it has been harder to get closer the pilot and co-pilots family but that due to other factors. You can still read stories in local
211 lazybones : Inmarsat knows nothing of the planes indicated airspeed, we would have to assume GS or some Equivalent Airspeed calculation. But it has to be said, e
212 Tapir : There are two or three more airports very near of the east coast. At least one of them with 11K foot runaway.
213 WingedMigrator : Now that we know the aircraft crashed in the Indian Ocean, I'd like to take a moment to call out all the blowhards who yanked our terrorist chain (fro
214 spacecadet : It is true - I'm not really sure why some are so quick to believe the Malaysian authorities about this, when they've dismissed them about pretty much
215 nupogodi : The information comes from Inmarsat and the AAIB, who I trust completely.
216 mandala499 : Or someone had entered the waypoints... once that's executed, it would continue on the track even if everyone is dead until fuel runs out. I don't kn
217 Lindenwold : Seems like Australian Military has a press conference scheduled 12am est. Malaysians have a press conference at 12:30am est. Aus military rarely have
218 TheRedBAron : Point taken and I agree, that you can jump from a 727 at day and with prep, DB cooper did not, I always have visaged him counting ONE Mississippi TWO
219 hivue : You can put just a lat and long into an FMS right? And the plane will fly to that point?
220 MH772 : I agree with you folks. As much as Mr Goodfellow's suggestion makes sense, since the disappearance occurred, I've always wondered why MH370 just didn
221 jelliesR : Maybe it is just patchy journalism but Malaysia appears to have started to mention "psychological issues" in "passengers or crew" for the first time a
222 777Jet : It did, and nobody is questioning the credibility of Immarsat or the AAIB, but until debris related to MH370 are found... Nobody is questioning the i
223 mandala499 : The ocean is vast, there's no need to aim for a particular trench in the ocean, but... yes, you can just put a lat-lon position into the FMS. You can
224 nupogodi : I am not seeing anything about this anywhere; do you have a link? If this is true, I would appreciate a link to a live feed from somewhere if someone
225 Lindenwold : Expecting big news from Australian Defense Minister in 17 mins. Keep in mind they took pics from the plane yesterday.[Edited 2014-03-24 20:45:15]
226 nupogodi : That's basically what I said when people were suggesting that turning off the transponder and such shouldn't be possible. I believe what I said was,
227 solarflyer22 : Yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one that was annoyed. You don't have to connect every single bad event in the world to Al Qaeda, Islam and Israel etc
228 Post contains links p51tang : Perhaps.But anyone with enough intent to fly it approx 4,000 km in the opposite direction,must know that ditching the aircraft in 4,000m vs 8,000m me
229 777Jet : I'm watching ABC24 now. It should be shown live on that channel. I'll post any new info.
230 flyawa : I read Capt747ret's theory on part 40, reply 122, and agree with his scenario, which is just as much likely as any other. I also suggest that the pilo
231 mandala499 : The flightpath they used prior to military radar end of detection is out of date. IGREX has been ruled out effectively. It's IGARI-VPG-VAMPI-MERAK...
232 Post contains links Dalavia : The Australian Defence Minister is now speaking at the RAAF Base, Pearce, Western Australia, being televised on ABC News 24. For those with access, t
233 AR385 : What a letdown. Not much said of any relevance that could have been issued with a written statement.
234 Dalavia : I agree. There has been nothing new announced. It just seems like an opportunity too answer some journalists' questions, and these questions seem fai
235 rj777 : Basically praising the search crews.... I bet the Malaysian Airlines news conference is going to be very explosive and mostly damage control.
236 NAV30 : Basically the Minister was just 'ass-covering' since there are 30-foot swells and high winds in the search area today - so pretty well all the search
237 Dalavia : So far it has emphasised the care being provided by MH to the passengers' families, and appreciation to the team of investigators.
238 flyenthu : Just wondering about the pax- really feel awful even bringing this up. Would they have gotten an inking about what was going on if they were consciou
239 Post contains links laxboeingman : CNN: "Malaysia Airlines has offered family members $5,000 for each passenger on Flight 370, preparing to make additional payments." http://www.cnn.com
240 jcxroberts : There is still no evidence from their personal lives that the pilots were mass murders, yet people keep harping on it because mechanical failure is 'i
241 rj777 : 2 words: CASH SETTLEMENT. They're trying to keep their behinds out of court. But I don't think that it's going to work.
242 laxboeingman : I think they are trying to do what they can to make it right, but I think they will need to give a lot more than that no matter what the cause of the
243 Post contains links antskip : The Australian Minister of Defence has it right: "positive identification of any debris won't happen for at least 24 hours, and until then 'everything
244 Post contains images jelliesR : based on reading this: https://www.informs.org/ORMS-Today/Public-Articles/August-Volume-38-Number-4/In-Search-of-Air-France-Flight-447 I think they wo
245 RickNRoll : The plane crashed, and everyone died.
246 antskip : That may well be the case, but being right is not the same as having evidence to prove it. Until then, it is speculation that could well be right; co
247 Post contains links TheCommodore : Insurers have already started making payments to MH 5 days ago. With much more to come. http://www.smh.com.au/world/flight-m...-missing-plane-2014032
248 laxboeingman : OK, thank you for the insight. I agree with you 100 percent. For all we know, that debris could be from a ship. We do not know that for a fact and we
249 Post contains links ExpatExp : I was encouraged by an interview with Inmarsat's SVP for External Affairs, which indicated that hourly position updates are possible now for a cost o
250 rolfen : They probably used the timestamps of these pings... I am assuming that all pings were recorded by satellites, along with timestamps with millisecond
251 Post contains links Starlionblue : According to Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat. “Just a single ‘ping’ can be used to say the plane was bo
252 Pellegrine : I am so heartbroken by all of this. Especially for the families whom we see on the news. Horribly insulting. They probably know that for a family to r
253 Starlionblue : Nowhere does it say anything about hush money or this money being contingent on no further claims being made. Even in the quote you made, it says the
254 Pellegrine : It's hush money. You'd be a fool to accept this. Strings are attached.
255 Post contains links SA7700 : Due to length this thread will be locked down for further contributions. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purpos
256 blueshamu330s : It is not hush money. It is a subsistence payment to assist grieving relatives with immediate costs. The word "compensation" has yet to be mentioned,
257 Post contains links ba1978 : I believe these are ex-gratia payments that were initially offered to relatives a few weeks back to cover expenses they may have incurred. These are
258 Post contains images p51tang : So if I enter desired Lat/Lon into FMS, then enter into the Altimeter 45,000ft, and enter 5,000ft as the Vertical Restraint on the waypoint,then ente
259 anfromme : That's exactly why you would make an announcement like they did yesterday. Because that's a false hope. There are many planes that crashed without an
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37 posted Wed Mar 19 2014 05:29:52 by SA7700
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 posted Tue Mar 18 2014 20:16:15 by jetblueguy22
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 41 posted Thu Mar 20 2014 21:26:25 by SA7700
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 40 posted Thu Mar 20 2014 11:42:10 by SA7700
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39 posted Thu Mar 20 2014 00:49:56 by SA7700
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38 posted Wed Mar 19 2014 18:19:54 by jetblueguy22
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37 posted Wed Mar 19 2014 05:29:52 by SA7700
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 39 posted Thu Mar 20 2014 00:49:56 by SA7700
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 38 posted Wed Mar 19 2014 18:19:54 by jetblueguy22
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 posted Tue Mar 18 2014 20:16:15 by jetblueguy22
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 37 posted Wed Mar 19 2014 05:29:52 by SA7700
MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 36 posted Tue Mar 18 2014 20:16:15 by jetblueguy22