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Australian Aviation #93  
User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 16040 times:

Greetings all, and welcome to the next instalment of AusAv. After a burst of excitement in February when we churned through these threads at quite a clip in the lead up the Qantas half-year results, things seem to have returned to a more sedate pace.

Australian Aviation Thread Part 92 (by allrite Mar 8 2014 in Civil Aviation)

In 92 we touched on the following:

*Allrite composed a little ditty
*Discussion of Qantas' Asian network
*Discussion of Qantas' LHR times/A380 network
*Discussion of Darwin as a potential northern hub
*RIP VH-OJC  
*New routes for QF and JQ (QF SYD-HVB, JQ MEL-AYQ etc)
*Rex launches SYD-ARM
*Rex seeks public assistance
*Qantas and Bangkok Airways launch codeshare, potential for same-same at CGK/MNL?
*ATSB report a doubling of turbulence events over this [very hot] summer
*Lionair v CASA, Round 2 ding-ding
*QF16 moves to TBIT, all LAX operations under one roof
*CAPA reckons that 10 more Asian LCCs are considering Australia
*JQ discontinues AKL-SIN

May your skies remain as clear as Virgin's ownership structure and your flying as smooth as Qantas' restructuring

  

[Edited 2014-03-23 23:48:22]


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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16006 times:

To get the ball rolling, I found this article very interesting:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ntas-and-virgin-recalibrate-158525

I'm not sure what I was supposed to take away from it, other than that the WA economy grew rapidly between 2010 and 2013, but I nonetheless found it to be an interesting interpretation of the recent capacity growth from QF and VA.



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User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15951 times:

Its the typical boom and bust cycle really.

Add so much capacity when things heat up, but they both seem unwilling to cede ground when things cool off.

They both went in hard, with QF's buy out of Network and VA's Skywest takeover. Now it will be interesting to see who blinks first.


User currently offlinebunumuring From Australia, joined Jan 2014, 1165 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15923 times:
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Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
They both went in hard, with QF's buy out of Network and VA's Skywest takeover. Now it will be interesting to see who blinks first.

Hi mate,
Well, Skywest and it's ATR operations appear to be more valuable to Virgin group-wide than Network's Fokker operation to Qantas group-wide. My opinion anyway! Discussion?
Cheers,
Bunumuring.



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User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15921 times:

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 3):
Well, Skywest and it's ATR operations appear to be more valuable to Virgin group-wide than Network's Fokker operation to Qantas group-wide. My opinion anyway! Discussion?

I tend to agree.

Given that the aircraft are utilised on a broader scale in the case of VA Regional (across several states), it seems to have added potential over QF's Network operation.


User currently offlinebunumuring From Australia, joined Jan 2014, 1165 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15897 times:
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Hi all,
An out-of-left-centre question ...
A few years ago I read a children's collection of short biographies of famous Australians. The one that caught my eye was on Reg Ansett. The reason? He was photographed in what I assume was his office with his arm resting on a very large scale DC-10 model in slightly modified Ansett 'red delta' colours. The only modification to the colourscheme was the titles, which were bolder / larger in size to those used at the time. The model was fully in shot, at an angle of about 45degrees to the camera, thereby allowing it's whole fuselage and tail to be seen. It was slightly nose-up and definitely was meant to be a focus of the photo.
I realise that all aircraft manufacturers at the time would've made presentations to airline heads with models as part of their presentations, but what was the story behind this model? I have always wondered. It was very large and very prominently placed in the office ... Or maybe it just made for a good 'prop' for the photo?
I recall being surprised at the time that a 'proposed' airliner would be featured and not a contemporary one.
Any recollections or information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bunumuring.



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15893 times:

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 3):
Skywest and it's ATR operations appear to be more valuable to Virgin group-wide than Network's Fokker operation to Qantas group-wide.

While the split between East and West is less evident now that Skywest (West) is being rebranded as Virgin Australia, I think we should exclude the ATR fleet from this discussion.

Virgin contracted Skywest (then a private company) to operate the ATR-72 on the East Coast in competition with QantasLink. That was a fundamental part of the Virgin Australia (proper) expansion plan.

The respective takeovers of the WA Fokker fleets are unrelated to this operation (or, for that matter, QantasLink). Buying up Network and Skywest (West) was about each carrier expanding their presence in the WA market. It is possible (although unlikely) that QF could reduce Network's FIFO ops, and VA could do the same with Skywest's intra-WA ops.



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15865 times:

Rayanair Guru the opposite will happen very shortly in regards to Network Aviation .Watch this space.

I assume you are not aware that Network are extremely close to getting their RPT AOC.


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3189 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15657 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 7):
Rayanair Guru the opposite will happen very shortly in regards to Network Aviation .Watch this space.

I assume you are not aware that Network are extremely close to getting their RPT AOC.

I was just about to chime in with that. If anything what I see happening in the intra-WA market, gvien the QF dominance of scheduled services, is them using Network aircraft more to fly some of the mainline services which will plug holes in Networks utilisation which will in turn mean 738's, or 717's, based in Perth can be released and based back East.


User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15384 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 8):
I was just about to chime in with that. If anything what I see happening in the intra-WA market, gvien the QF dominance of scheduled services, is them using Network aircraft more to fly some of the mainline services which will plug holes in Networks utilisation which will in turn mean 738's, or 717's, based in Perth can be released and based back East.

That makes more sense.

Using the assets wiser is a much better move. If capacity is currently too high, moving the Network aircraft will be a better fit for what it needs.


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15077 times:

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 5):

I believe that Lockheed at the time, late 70's also proposed the L1011 in Qantas, Ansett & TAA colour schemes as well. It was all part of the proposals back then and I believe that McDonnell Douglas did the same with it's DC-10's hoping that both domestic carriers and QF would take on the tri-jets into their fleets. I believe these proposals paved the way for the A300 and B767 to be ordered for the domestic airlines.

BZF



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14952 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 7):
I assume you are not aware that Network are extremely close to getting their RPT AOC.
Quoting sydscott (Reply 8):
I was just about to chime in with that. If anything what I see happening in the intra-WA market, gvien the QF dominance of scheduled services, is them using Network aircraft more to fly some of the mainline services which will plug holes in Networks utilisation which will in turn mean 738's, or 717's, based in Perth can be released and based back East.

And with this .. does anyone have an idea who would have the lower cost base Network or QFlink / Cobham?



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User currently offlineqf2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14818 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 8):

Interesting. The Fokkers have 100 seats so replacing service with them will be a capacity reduction. Some sense returning? Would these be painted up as QFLink planes too?

Also, we know that there is a shortage of 717s (ie none) to grow the QantasLink fleet, what is the market like for F100s if QF was to expand this operation in WA? Or, perhaps eventually replace the whole 717 fleet with F100s (though there is probably a case for both fleets to be replaced with something else, maybe the C series if it works?


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14784 times:

Hi all!

I am planning some domestic flights for August on JQ. What I wonder is if JQ's timetable is already set for August. For instance looking on MEL-SYD on Aug 12 shows two flights (A320 + A330) leaving within 5 minutes of each other (JQ518 @ 14:10, JQ4 @ 14:15). Is that a valid schedule, or will there be changes later on? Would be disappointed to see a narrowbody if I book my tickets on JQ4 specifically to get the A330.



Also does QF8 (DFW-BNE-SYD) arrive at the international or domestic terminal in SYD?



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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14776 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
I am planning some domestic flights for August on JQ. What I wonder is if JQ's timetable is already set for August. For instance looking on MEL-SYD on Aug 12 shows two flights (A320 + A330) leaving within 5 minutes of each other (JQ518 @ 14:10, JQ4 @ 14:15). Is that a valid schedule, or will there be changes later on? Would be disappointed to see a narrowbody if I book my tickets on JQ4 specifically to get the A330.

JQ4 is an int'l add-on flight so will always be A330 (or 787) and will depart from int'l terminal though you can fly it just as a domestic sector though need to check in earlier etc.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
Also does QF8 (DFW-BNE-SYD) arrive at the international or domestic terminal in SYD?

Int'l



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14765 times:

Thanks for the quick reply!

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 14):
JQ4 is an int'l add-on flight so will always be A330 (or 787) and will depart from int'l terminal though you can fly it just as a domestic sector though need to check in earlier etc.

So the schedule is actually valid then. Not often you see an airline schedule two flights within 5 minutes of each other on the same route.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 14):
Int'l

Assume all DFW originating passengers will clear customs at BNE.



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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14761 times:

Quoting qf2220 (Reply 12):
Also, we know that there is a shortage of 717s (ie none) to grow the QantasLink fleet, what is the market like for F100s if QF was to expand this operation in WA? Or, perhaps eventually replace the whole 717 fleet with F100s (though there is probably a case for both fleets to be replaced with something else, maybe the C series if it works?

There are plenty of F100s around but they are all getting a bit old. F100s are great for mining ops where they have good runway performance and are very tolerant of less than perfect strips. I assume both VA and QF will hold onto them as long as they economically can.

QF would probably like more 717s though there aren't that many around with DL having taken all of the old AirTran 717s from WN to replace their DC9s and oldest MD80s. It is probably likely that QF would look to replace their whole regional jet fleet with a single type at some point in the future with C Series or E-Jets being the logical current candidates though this is a few years off so it may be different by then.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 11):
And with this .. does anyone have an idea who would have the lower cost base Network or QFlink / Cobham?

I would assume they are both pretty similar given they compete in the FIFO sector. Could it be that QF will use Network's RPT AOC as the operator of some of those shiny new A320s which Jetstar don't really need but which would look great in QF colors replacing the oldest 738s??



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14709 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
So the schedule is actually valid then. Not often you see an airline schedule two flights within 5 minutes of each other on the same route.

Not really the samething. Who would want to checkin earlier at the international terminal, when you can do the same flight and have a later checkin. This flight isnt really a domestic flight..

Other then Aviation enthusists, the normal person would go the narrowbody because its cheaper and less hassle.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14685 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 17):
Other then Aviation enthusists, the normal person would go the narrowbody because its cheaper and less hassle.

Might be so, but you get more legroom on the A330 compared to the A320 31in/28in



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14662 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 18):
Might be so, but you get more legroom on the A330 compared to the A320 31in/28in

If you want to fly the A330 then nobody is stopping you, but do understand that you are loosing the benefits of domestic flights (ability to turn up 30 mins before your flight, easy security etc).

To answer your original question, yes I think you can trust these schedules because JQ4 is not intended to be a MEL-SYD flight. If they pick up 1 local passenger then happy days, but the flights aren't "competing" against themselves.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
Assume all DFW originating passengers will clear customs at BNE.

No, Sydney.

Quoting qf2220 (Reply 12):
The Fokkers have 100 seats so replacing service with them will be a capacity reduction. Some sense returning?

If I'm reading the above right, I think they are replacing the similarly sized 717s so that they can move back east.

Even if they are replacing 737s to places like KTA, PHE etc, I don't think that is as much about "sense returning" but localised changes in response to the slowdown in the resources sector.

Quoting qf2220 (Reply 12):
Would these be painted up as QFLink planes too?

If they are operating QF services then almost certainly yes.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14650 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
Assume all DFW originating passengers will clear customs at BNE.

No, Sydney.

How are passengers that board at BNE for the BNE-SYD sector separated from the international ones?



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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14643 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 20):
How are passengers that board at BNE for the BNE-SYD sector separated from the international ones?

They are not. The domestic pax get a special "D" boarding pass that identifies them as domestic pax but they still have to go through some minor Immigration check when they depart BNE and arrive in SYD. Likewise a domestic pax on this flight can be subject to Customs inspection of luggage even though they are nominally domestic.

This is the same for all domestic add-ons like JQ4 hence why most people tend to avoid them unless absolutely necessary.



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14634 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 20):
How are passengers that board at BNE for the BNE-SYD sector separated from the international ones?

They're not ... which is why the flight arrives and departs from the international terminal. The same will apply on JQ4 (which is MEL-SYD-HNL, the US bound passengers are mixed with the "domestic" ones)

When you fly an international flight in Australia as a domestic flight you will need to:

1) check-in something like 90 minutes before your flight (which is an instant deal breaker for 95% of pax)
2) go through immigration (although this only involves showing your boarding pass)
3) go through international security (complete with all ICAO standards such as 100ml rules etc, which don't apply for domestic flights)

at the other end:

1) go through immigration (although, again, this only involves showing your boarding pass)
2) go through customs and AQIS (and they probably will subject you to the same searches in case you are carrying for a passenger of the international flight)

The passengers on the "domestic" flight have gone through all the same procedures as the international passengers, other than they won't be interrogated by immigration and customs.

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User currently offlineqfvhoqa From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14618 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
To get the ball rolling, I found this article very interesting:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ntas-and-virgin-recalibrate-158525

I'm not sure what I was supposed to take away from it, other than that the WA economy grew rapidly between 2010 and 2013, but I nonetheless found it to be an interesting interpretation of the recent capacity growth from QF and VA.

This article raises some interesting points relevant to a possible expansion of Network Aviation. Average load factors on PER-PHE are 58.5% and decreased 5.5% from 2011-2013. Similarly PER-KTA had an average of 58.9% and decreased 7.5% from 2011.
QF could downgauge 738 flights to 717s, and use Network's F100s on former 717 routes. Looking at Network's utilisation, some days an aircraft will operate one FIFO charter in the morning and sit idle at PER until the next day.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 16):
There are plenty of F100s around but they are all getting a bit old.

The last F100s were built in 1994 so all are at least 20 years old by now. AA stored theirs after 10 years, so they must have limited potential in scheduled ops.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14598 times:

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 23):
they must have limited potential in scheduled ops.

Among others, KLM would beg to differ.

The 717 is 5-10 years ahead of the F100 in terms of technology, but the Fokker is a great airplane. It is probably the best 100 seater of its generation, compared to the BAe146 etc. As others said, it has very good field performance, and is pretty rugged. It is pretty much perfect for FIFO, which is why Network, Alliance, Skywest etc all use it.

For the potential QFLink services that it could be used on (pretty much the same as FIFO ) there is arguably nothing better. Maybe the 717, but that's it. And don't bother mentioning the E-Jet.



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25 777Jet : Yes. 5 mins apart but from different terminals. When flying to MEL from SYD I always try to book the flight departing from the Intl terminal as it is
26 B747forever : Thanks for the replies. Wow, didnt now that it was that complicated. Booked myself on QF8 (BNE-SYD only) specifically to get on the 747-400ER. What h
27 RyanairGuru : They're released into the terminal as if it was any normal connection: get off the plane, proceed to the transfer desk, go through security etc.
28 777Jet : I did not know that you could do this but I had never checked. That might be the easiest way to fly on a 744ER! Thanks for that!
29 cbrboy : Those with access to the Qantas First Class Lounge in the International Terminal.
30 Post contains links and images allrite : These threads are going slow again. Let's mention Qantas. Qantas is "letting go" 26 senior managers according to SMH. But I'm not actually grinning. G
31 mariner : I can do that. I mean no disrespect to any of those losing their jobs by asking something so trivial but, is there any chance that Network Aviation w
32 tullamarine : Article remains vague as to how QF get to the 5000 figure they announced. Lots of speculation that this figure was dreamed up to frighten the governm
33 qf002 : The titles are okay, they just need to replace the tail with a standard QF one. Is there any particular reason for Network to maintain their own bran
34 mariner : I find the titles fairly bland, and the tail with the big N is about as unimaginative as I can imagine. I don't usually care about livery, but this o
35 tullamarine : I assume there is nothing stopping QF putting the roo on the tail of Network planes but it may be similar to the situation when Eastern, Southern and
36 Singapore 777 : They get off the aircraft, go through security and go back upstairs to the departure level to the same boarding gate they just alighted from. Basical
37 Sydscott : They have maintained the brand up until now because Network has solely been focused on FIFO work and those flying on Network have not been able to ea
38 jrfspa320 : Do the network F100s have 34" pitch, same as skywest? if so could be reconfigured for more seats.
39 Post contains images allrite : If they stil have their silver EMB-120s then they'd need a bit more paintwork, or maybe a Jetstar scheme instead! Their website says "up to 34 inch".
40 Post contains images allrite : Trying to satisfy the govt without having a well thought up plan wouldn't surprise me based on the experience at my government affiliated workplace.
41 Post contains links qf002 : In other QF related news, big changes are coming with regards to point accrual rates and structures. I haven't had a chance to look through in depth y
42 allrite : Doesn't look any simpler to me... East Coast Australia to Japan looks like a big loser to me. 5 less status credits and almost half the points gone f
43 jrfspa320 : The changes generally don't sound great for most travelers Seems very silly at a time when customer loyalty is critical for them....more reason to go
44 allrite : To answer myself (forums were down, so I couldn't edit), the flexibility options are not presented as bundles but as columns with associated prices.
45 Post contains links and images Airniugini : I'm with you mate... From what I can see, it looks like while status credits will still be pretty much the same, but miles earned will be less. Talk
46 tullamarine : These changes are an attempt to drive more value and profitability into the FF scheme in advance of a partial float. The sad part is, whilst the mana
47 Sydscott : Lets be frank, when you talk about "punter" the people who are benefiting most from being member of QFF, road warriors and business travellors, are a
48 tullamarine : Maybe, but most companies now demand that staff travel on non-flexible fares for the outbound journey at least. I managed a $3M annual travel spend f
49 Sydscott : The availability of non-flexible fares depends on when you book them and how far in advance. Of course there are plentiful numbers of non-flexible fa
50 tullamarine : These will be changed at some point because logic suggests that is how FF factors in inflation. What was worth 17000 points one year has to go to 180
51 koruman : But Virgin Velocity has no minimum earn. The extraordinary thing is that domestic capacity is still high after the capacity war, so Qantas needs to f
52 allrite : I believe that my most frequently flown route, SYD - Japan now sees a drop in points and status credits across all fares. I wonder if that is because
53 Sydscott : It will be interesting to see if it does. I'd argue that the redemption side, through the any seat awards, has a natural inflation hedge in-built bec
54 mariner : Personally, I curse the day that loyalty programs - frequent flier programs - were ever invented. They did extraordinary damage to genuine (domestic)
55 koruman : A capacity war cannot be wound back in a moment, and Qantas management is yet to express any remorse for the war anyway. In a capacity war you tend t
56 Sydscott : Yeah there is always controversy when changes happen. But the funny thing about this is the pax, of businesses, that pay for the high yielding fares
57 tullamarine : Trust me, no employer is going to pay any more than they have to just so their employees can get more points. Most employers, except those on exclusi
58 allrite : I suppose that they may sign up for corporate programs as an incentive in lieu of other benefits. I would modify your statement to read that no emplo
59 Sydscott : Exactly so, in the end, businesses will still fly with QF because it's about schedule and fare. If the employee gets less points out of it that's jus
60 qf002 : The problem is that QF already has this part of the market sewn up -- the small increases at the top end of the scale are only there to disguise the
61 tullamarine : Of course, that option is available when a company's systems allow someone senior enough to skirt around the controls....been there, done that with m
62 Sydscott : In other news, Jetstar will be delpoying the 788 onto MEL - BKK twice a week from starting from May 20. (Apparently on the Tuesday and Thursday servic
63 RyanairGuru : It turns out that Allrite saying yesterday "let's talk about Qantas" was prescient! Rather than re-write the same thing, I'm just going to copy/paste
64 tullamarine : One of the biggesat changes in QF's announcement is the devaluation of points and status credits earned when flying on Oneworld "partner" airlines. I
65 Post contains images RyanairGuru : That's why I raised this point: IIRC, at the moment only Y is classed as "Economy" on partner metal, everything else is "Discount Economy". Discount
66 Sydscott : And this is the hole in the network which can only grow larger. It's interesting, especially in Perth, that the airline which dominates domestically
67 allrite : I'm rather confused by the different booking classes, but are there some CX discount economy classes that earn 0 QFF points? I know back in 2007 we d
68 RyanairGuru : Only YBHKLMV earn on both CX and MH for QFFs. As a point of comparison, for QF domestic flights those inventory buckets are fall under FlexiSaver and
69 Post contains links and images RyanairGuru : OK, so I'll run a quick tutorial to getting around restrictions on partner airlines with QFF. It's relatively easy to beat the system, so long as you
70 allrite : Thanks, that's excellent!
71 pommy80 : United B777-200 services have started. N225UA doing the honors operating UA863, due in tomorrow.
72 777Jet : It will certainly be the end of an era with no more UAL 747 service to Sydney. At least the 777 offers all pax personal entertainment - the long flig
73 Post contains images allrite : So it's down to Qantas and Thai now with the 747s into SYD? Sad. There was something evocative, like an old liner, a hint of gunmetal grey and workin
74 bunumuring : Hi all, My best mate and I reminisced just a few weeks ago about the decimation of 747 services to SYD. We talked about the good old days of Lufthansa
75 777Jet : I'm thinking about booking a QF8 BNE-SYD leg just to add the 744ER to the log book. Regarding Thai, their livery is one of the best ever. The Thai 744
76 Post contains images qf002 : This depresses me Maybe we could convince QF to put a 744 on permanent display somewhere, like the AF Concorde at CDG -- the final retirement of thei
77 bunumuring : Hey 777Jet, There's an idea! An Anetters' excursion! Fly a 747-400ER BNE-SYD group booking! What fun we would all have! ...and don't forget the SIA Ca
78 777Jet : That would be a great idea! I think it is an early flight so I would probably try to catch one last ride on a QF 767 up to BNE from SYD the previous e
79 ZuluAlpha : With the weather warming up slowly in the USA be prepared for a possible delay / cancelation of the QF8 BNE SYD sector
80 bunumuring : Hi mate, I'm keen. I'm willing. I'm able. Let's do it! Anyone else willing? Cheers, Bunumuring.
81 Post contains images 777Jet : Lets check back in here in a while to see if anybody else is interested. After all, there were only 6 747-400ER made as only QF ordered them so I con
82 VHVXB : Today was the start of UA's 777 service into Sydney. Ship 2025 operated UA863, departing SFO on Thursday evening and arriving into Sydney this morning
83 777Jet : Reply 71 beat you to it! I will miss hearing the UAL 744 fly over my place when it takes off on 34L but it will be interesting to see a UAL 772.
84 Post contains images 747m8te : Only the 747-400ERs can operate QF8 DFW-BNE-SYD....so there won't be an equipement swap. There was one rare occasion that a regular 744 was on the ro
85 777Jet : Sounds good! Thanks for that info... I just thought that the ER was not guaranteed on the domestic BNE-SYD leg... I have a bit more confidence now to
86 bunumuring : Hi all, Does anybody have any updated information on the plans of Qatar and Turkish starting Sydney flights? I posted about the latter in a Turkish th
87 smi0006 : Qatar can't start Sydney as their bilateral is maxed out. Perth was chosen due to slot times into Sydney. AusBT has some nice photos of the new Qantas
88 bunumuring : Wow! I can answer my own question about Turkish... Only 12 minutes later! Found a new thread in the forum that started after I started my latest brows
89 a345b727 : Silly question maybe, but why would this be the case?
90 packersfan : Ditto here! Great minds think alike or fools never differ. Take your pick.
91 Post contains links VA82 : Was having a bit of a trawl through news stuff and stumbled upon this comment: "Most, if not all, Tiger Air pilots, are trained to a different standar
92 IndianicWorld : Don't be expecting any news on this. The CEO of QR has said everything from the Sydney market is saturated as it is to the airline will not operate i
93 Post contains links and images RyanairGuru : I completely forgot to show you how to access this information through the respective airline websites. CX is really user friendly, and displays this
94 qf2220 : DFW can get pretty hot and humid in summer and there are performance reductions at takeoff due to these. Though the real issue for QF8 is the winds a
95 allrite : Thanks for the effort you've put into this. Very useful! And in the scheme of things that may feel like a small price to pay for points - until you m
96 RyanairGuru : But it really isn't a small price to pay. Under the old rules (which is all I've got to go off) then you're paying $160 for 4581mi (50% earn) ... whi
97 Post contains images allrite : I feel like I've got reasonable value out of QFF in the past with redemptions for flights, although the level of surcharges now means that the value
98 777Jet : That is what I would have suspected. Does it also burn more fuel in hotter conditions as well, especially while getting off the ground? I suspect eve
99 RyanairGuru : Only in as much as it requires a longer take-off role. To put this in simple terms, in hot air the amount of lift is reduced. Unless you have an unli
100 777Jet : If anybody can make it to SYD today to catch a view of the UA 744 for the last time I'd like to know if there are more spotters there than usual today
101 Post contains links and images LandSweetLand : Do small aircraft commonly fly from Melbourne out over the ocean west of Tasmania? I just pulled up FR24 and noticed a gulf stream doing just that htt
102 IndianicWorld : ^^ Interesting. I would have thought the only plane that would have gone out of MEL in that direction would have been the A319 operated by the Austral
103 qantas834300 : Regards the A/C x Melbourne, " Gulfstream 5", there is a search and rescue operation ongoing from a fishing vessel some 3241 klm Sth / Wst of Perth as
104 LandSweetLand : I went and had another look and it looks like it departed from Essendon(MEB) rather than Tullamarine(MEL). Doesn't really help much though.
105 IndianicWorld : Thanks for the info. The first thought that had come into my head was something to do with the MH370 search, but this makes much more sense.
106 LandSweetLand : Thanks for the info.
107 Post contains links and images aussie18 : There was not much of a crowd out to farewell the final United 747 departure today, Just looked like a normal sunday afternoon with some spotters and
108 Flyingsottsman : Did that jet end up down in MEL as the MEL tag on ? Or is the LAX flight still a 744 untill the 787 is put on the Pacific?
109 IndianicWorld : Both the SFO and LAX flights are now 77E's. The 789 into MEL will commence in Oct, but in the meantime the tag-on flight to MEL is now a 77E.
110 777Jet : Thank you for being there. I wish I could have made it out of my respect to the UA 744... Did anybody hear it talk to ATC? I wonder if ATC said a spe
111 Post contains links TruemanQLD : Brisbane Airport has released their 20 year Master Plan The plan can be found here: http://www.bne.com.au/corporate/upgr...ding-your-airport/2014-mast
112 allrite : A monorail is perfect for Brisvegas! Would a Simpson's quote be appropriate here? (Note that Brisbane previously had a monorail at Expo '88). Sydney
113 TruemanQLD : Having looked briefly over the plan, monorail is definitely the wrong word. Would be more like a light rail/metro. Plan actually looks good, have a t
114 tullamarine : I assume these Master Plans are required to be prepared by the airport managers on a certain schedule as a condition of their long-term lease. Each Au
115 eaglefarm4 : Every 5 years a airport has to come up with a masterplan for the next 20 years.BAC have divided it into 5 year periods for the next 2 periods then 10
116 ZuluAlpha : No, a Simpson's quote would not be appropriate .. but a happy monorail themed song would be !! "Monorail .. Monorail ... Monoraaiiilllll !!! "
117 TN486 : My understanding was the Gulfstream was assisting the whole MH370 thing , replacing the Orion that went looking for the fishing vessel.
118 IndianicWorld : Certainly a good masterplan. Lots of space to grow. Good luck getting the Fed govt to pay for decent customs and immigration coverage in 2 terminals
119 tullamarine : Whilst MEL T2 appears to have limited growth, MEL's own strategic plan shows T2 growing to 25 gates, 9 of them A380 capable. The issue with MEL is mo
120 eaglefarm4 : HAL are adding their 4th flight to BNE today.
121 TruemanQLD : As in announcing or starting (in which case I missed the announcement)? Either way, great news for BNE and hopefully will see daily operations soon!
122 AeroplaneFreak : Can anybody give an update on how the MEL T3/T4 redevelopment is going?[Edited 2014-03-31 20:28:08]
123 cbrboy : It was announced back in December. First Monday flight from HNL is estimated to arrive BNE at 1554 today BNE time, and first Tuesday flight from BNE
124 pugsley : Today Jetstar will announce the start of direct flights from Brisbane to Honolulu commencing in December. Twice a week with a third service in peak p
125 TruemanQLD : Fantastic! Great to see JQ finally stepping up at BNE International. Now for CHC!
126 Post contains links and images mariner : In a fairly innocuous article about the new Qantas lounge at BME, one line surprised me: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/t...rport/story-fnjjv799-1
127 Post contains links DeltaB717 : Jetstar BNEHNL announcement... no schedule as yet that I can find. http://www.jetstar.com/mediacentre/l...4f5b-8aaa-e0aad8e57d70&language=en
128 Post contains links NZ107 : http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-to-l...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper
129 DeltaB717 : Nice one, thanks! I assume these A330s will somehow rotate through HNL from either SYD or MEL, ie something like MEL-HNL-BNE-HNL-MEL?
130 777Jet : Good for JQ! I also note that they now have some SYD-MEL Intl add on flights on the 787 not just the 332...
131 Post contains images 777Jet : JQ often relocate their International birds on domestic hops so that is not necessary, but it might be the case, I can't wait to see. I like how the
132 DeltaB717 : They do, but looking at the timings it leaves HNL on Mon/Thurs and arrives BNE on Tues/Fri, so has a turnaround of 1:55 in BNE.
133 IndianicWorld : Interesting that JQ are taking on HA out of BNE. Not too sure both will survive on the route at their current (HA) and future (JQ) frequency levels. Y
134 EK413 : Good for the consumer, but you are right on the mark if HA can only support 4 weekly how will JQ survive with a 2 weekly service. EK413
135 koruman : I think that Brisbane can quite easily manage 6 weekly frequencies to Honolulu during the school holidays, but that the main consequence of JQ putting
136 TruemanQLD : A good question which I have often asked myself. Unless it is a NZ thing where they try and route passengers via AKL? Though going BNE-AKL-HNL requir
137 RyanairGuru : Without anything quantifiable to measure this against, I think that you're probably right there. It will be interesting to see what happens. When I b
138 koruman : I totally agree with you. The thing is, I imagine that Hawaiian will get at least 80% of the market of people who are going to visit one or more neig
139 IndianicWorld : I think thats a given for Inbound pax. BNE is not a big tourist destination yet in its own right, but it is good for business and outbound leisure de
140 koruman : I largely agree, except that I'd argue that the demographics of the catchment areas need to be taken into account. Brisbane's population superficiall
141 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I guess I fall into both I'm visiting Kauai and Big Island, and after spending 3 hours in Oahu a couple of years ago my desire to visit Waikiki hover
142 koruman : That's because you don't know where to go! The answer is Kailua/Lanikai on the Windward coast. You still stay at Waikiki, but rent a car and you have
143 PA515 : 28 Mar 2014 ASX announcement says SQ have increased their interest in VAH from 19.83% to 22.17%. SQ purchased 35,045,334 shares on market during Feb a
144 pugsley : From Qantas.com The QF27/28 dates are the additional flights around the World Cup and QF8163/8164 must be a new EK codeshare. What and when is the QF4
145 allrite : Not sure about QF4017/8 but QF4021 and QF4025 are QF codeshares on JAL from SIN-HND.
146 pugsley : Nice thought allrite, codeshare is so obvious with your info.
147 777Jet : Regarding the UAL 777 patterns: The first 777 out of SYD operated the typical SFO-SYD-LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-SFO route that the 744s typically did. Since the
148 undertheradar : through the power of a simple search on the interweb!! QF4017/8 = SIN/HND/SIN operated by JAL(JL38/JL37)... QF4021 = SIN/NRT operated by JAL( JL712)
149 RyanairGuru : I definitely agree. I think that we will now see less "pattern" as aircraft can be routed through either SYD or LHR. They will probably still want to
150 6thfreedom : QR will not operate SYD because to maximise DOH connections it would need to operate a similar schedule to Melbourne. arrive 2200 and depart 2330. It
151 777Jet : I think so, but at least they will not have to as they have more flexibility in LAX with the 777. I always wondered why they would almost always canc
152 Post contains links JQflightie : Im surprised it hasnt been posted yet.... but it is VA and they dont sell as many papers as QF does in the News.. here goes.. Australian Fin Review -
153 zkncj : I would not be one bit suprized if NZ took over VA 77Ws
154 bwwt : What would NZ do with them?
155 DeltaB717 : Buuuuuuuut with the 777, not 744, now operating the SYD-LAX-SYD sectors... could they not cx the SYD-LAX and sub the LHR 777 at LAX, with LHR operate
156 tullamarine : This would make sense and will allow VA to increase its frequency from BNE or MEL on the LAX route. VA flying to AUH doesn't add anything given the c
157 TruemanQLD : Can BNE maintain a higher frequency to LAX? Its already 4x weekly VA (IIRC) and daily with QF (only recently too). Melbourne is unlikely as well, giv
158 azjubilee : Interesting... Hawaiian just started this week, it's 4th weekly frequency which is going to be year round, instead of seasonal as before.
159 RyanairGuru : I think that they may well seek to up gauge MEL, as they're about to become a distant third in the market. Previously QF have been clear out in front
160 ZK-NBT : And did what? Transferred some 77Es to VA? I thought that in the past but since it hasn't happened yet I personally don't think it will now. Probably
161 qf002 : 3 weekly, plus a weekly AUH-KUL rotation and lots of downtime at AUH. Cutting SYD-AUH will free up one aircraft, which they can use to take either ME
162 TimTam : From the article in the AFR: Etihad will “wet lease” the aircraft from Virgin. "In effect, all that changes is that the UAE airline carries the pr
163 zkncj : Allot really, e.g they could take over the VA SYD/MEL/BNE-LAX service to take on UA, start an SYD-SFO etc, have the flights operated by NZ would have
164 kiwiandrew : Why would they 'take on' UA who are their partner? I could understand doing it to 'take on' QF ( although I suspect it would be unwise), but I don't
165 tullamarine : As I understand it, the int'l ops are marginally profitable so I would be surprised to see them pulling out of LAX operations any time soon. As well
166 777Jet : I agree. No need for NZ and UA to go head to hear being partners. It would be nice to see one of them do IAH-AKL too... Could VA do SYD-SFO a few tim
167 Post contains links tullamarine : A QANTAS (A332) plane carrying 266 people has made an emergency landing at Adelaide Airport after a warning light indicated there was smoke in the car
168 IndianicWorld : That's concerning. The flight is too long to endure a 10 abreast cabin in a 777, which may well tip customers over to choose a competitor, be it UA o
169 tullamarine : 10 abreast hasn't seemed to have turned off too many people flying EK, EY or NZ s; whilst we think it is a step backward, the accountants will be kee
170 Post contains links tullamarine : Lion King on VA This is awesome fun and great publicity for VA given it has had over 5M YouTube hits. At first you'd wonder what was happening but at
171 bwwt : How would NZ make more profit on the routes than VA? I was under the impression if the flight is leaving Australia, it has to abide by CASAs ETOPS? T
172 qfvhoqa : If VA does switch to 10Y then they could remove 3 rows and keep a similar Y seat count. NZ fits 28 J seats between doors 1 & 2 (as does EY in its
173 zkncj : NZ have another 2x 77W on order that are coming this year, they seem to think there the best for AKL-LAX/SFO. The 789s aren't going anywhere near LAX
174 zkncj : Under the NZ/AU open skies agreement the aircraft operates under there registering countries rules. NZ currently an 240 rating on the 77W, which they
175 gemuser : While your statement is completely correct, given that the agreement to produce compatible EDTO standards fell apart I would not surprised if Austral
176 eaglefarm4 : The first of 2 Fokker 70's due DRW today for Alliance and another due around 02 May.Both coming from Austrian Arrows.
177 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : First 777-200ER (ZK-OKC) in the new livery: View Large View MediumPhoto © Yuxiaobin
178 packersfan : Does anybody know what the Fiji airways maintenance issue is that is creating all the timetable changes?
179 777Jet : On Saturday 05 April I was driving from Sydney down to the NSW South Coast and as I was a few hundred feet from the beginning of runway 16 at Illawarr
180 eaglefarm4 : A 332 had a heavy landing last week.
181 TheCommodore : Shouldn't this be in the NZ thread ?
182 LandSweetLand : Maybe we'll take the country bit by bit.
183 Post contains images a36001 : The Connie is based in Wollongong along with several other historical aircraft. A lot of their fleet is airworthy and can be seen flying in and out i
184 Post contains images 777Jet : Thank you for that info. I've often seen smaller aircraft flying around WOL when I drive past but to hear and see something the size of the Connie an
185 packersfan : Thanks for that eaglefarm4. I didn't see any news items on it. I guess it wasn't Qantas or a 787 therefore perhaps not so newsworthy.
186 6thfreedom : why DRW? isn't Alliance based in BNE? wouldn't they go to BNE for paint etc?
187 Post contains links QF175 : The Fokker 70 flew on from Darwin to Adelaide presumably for either a repaint or as it will be based there. Alliance Airlines is indeed based in Bris
188 Post contains links QF175 : Regional Express (REX) has been in the news a little of late: - According to the airline's website, REX is once again inviting expressions of interest
189 qantas834300 : Does anyone have a time-line for the finish of the Virgin Australia fleet paint work, there are currently many OLD Virgin Blue / Virgin Pacific AC aro
190 tullamarine : I believe the plan is to have all of the fleet finished by the end of 2014. There are still a few older 738s (VH-VO* regos) in the DJ scheme. All of t
191 aerohottie : Does this include the interior refits also? Are the New Zealand based aircraft getting the business class seats that the rest of the 738 fleet is get
192 DeltaB717 : Also on a side note, why would NZ use their sharkletted A320s on short domestic flights and their older, less fuel-efficient (on account of the no sh
193 777Jet : Good question. It makes perfect sense and I've sometimes wondered the same thing when seeing what birds they use trans-Tasman. They, being Air NZ, mu
194 tullamarine : I assume the newer A320s are not equipped with the extra rafts etc needed for the trans-Tasman flights. All of the Australian fleet has the new seats
195 DeltaB717 : This is a very good point... it is NZ after all! Also a good point which I hadn't considered.
196 777Jet : I'm sure it is a minor technicality, some small issue such as the raft issue mentioned above that they could easily address if they really wanted. Wh
197 Post contains links VA82 : So it seems like QF are going to operate PER-AKL again this summer! Answering a question from the half year announcements. http://www.ausbt.com.au/qan
198 qfvhoqa : I would think that EY & SQ would prefer some sort of J offering for their pax carried by VA from AU-NZ. Perhaps the cost of removing the overwate
199 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Very nice choices I particularly like 150 Lashes, and White Rabbit is a good tipple too. With the market clearly moving towards "craft beer" rather t
200 zkncj : The newer domestic A320s are lighter and are rated at about 6tone less for there maximum take off wait. The domestic are fully stripped out ULCC mode
201 TruemanQLD : Great to see it operating over an extended time, evidently was very successful and wouldnt be surprised to see it become year round. Also great to se
202 CYCLOPZ : Can someone confirm that Virgin Australia's wireless entertainment product is on the E90's? I'm flying with them in a week and am not sure what to exp
203 NZ107 : That plus the galley changes are what were said to be the main reasons for it. I wonder how long it'll take before kits come out for installing shark
204 tullamarine : It is still only twice weekly and weekends only at that. This makes it a very poor second to NZ's daily 777 (soon to be 789) service. VA do not have
205 Post contains links and images EK413 : What is the fate of the JQ Hong Kong A320's? Are the aircraft eventually going to take to the skies? I understand the costs are being shared with QF/M
206 mariner : If it makes money, what's the problem with 2 x weekly? mariner[Edited 2014-04-10 02:54:35]
207 BAeRJ100 : IIRC this was mentioned at the time they announced the route being cut, as there are a few days in July where they had higher demand for a service. I
208 tullamarine : No problem if it works for them but yields will suffer as business travellers value frequency so weekend services only are of limited interest to the
209 tullamarine : At some point QF will have to decide whether they are going to continue to fight or surrender and concentrate their capital elsewhere it is estimated
210 koruman : It does do well, but the Business Class lie-flat beds and the Premium Economy seats are being bought by much more lucrative passengers than businessm
211 Post contains links mariner : They've flown it for a season so they know what it can do, and they're extending this second season. Weekend service? http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-
212 QF2220 : In terms of the routes, could there be much use of Rex building a fleet of Metroliners (or similar) for these thinner routes? With around 20 seats, i
213 allrite : Wondering what effect cyclone Ita is having on flights operations in Qld. I'm scheduled to fly into CNS from KIX overnight and although there's no cur
214 Post contains images DeltaB717 : Thanks heaps for the detailed answer! Makes way more sense with all that
215 allrite : To answer myself, my Jetstar flight is suspended.
216 Post contains links RyanairGuru : That's a bummer, so are you stuck in KIX? Do you know how long you might be delayed for? In other news, #94 is up and running: Australian Aviation #9
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