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Madrid-Barajas Renamed  
User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1034 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15188 times:

The new name is already displayed in AENA's website. The largest Spanish airport is now officially called "Adolfo Suárez Madrid-Barajas Airport"

http://www.aena-aeropuertos.es/csee/...lite/Aeropuerto-Madrid-Barajas/es/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Su%C3%A1rez

Adolfo Suárez González, 1st Duke of Suárez, Grandee of Spain, KOGF (Spanish pronunciation: [aˈðolfo ˈswaɾeθ]; 25 September 1932 – 23 March 2014) was a Spanish lawyer and politician. Suárez was Spain's first democratically elected prime minister after the dictatorship of Francisco Franco, and the key figure in the country's transition to democracy.

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19965 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14834 times:

I've always had a distaste for the eponymous naming of airports and their terminals. Even JFK. I think that airports should be named descriptively. I like "Phoenix Sky Harbor" and "San Francisco International." Or named by location. MAD is named Barajas because it's in Barajas. Tokyo Narita is in Narita.

In the end, though, it's just a name. MAD remains MAD and this will make no difference to anyone working at or traveling to/from/through MAD.


User currently offlinevs11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14763 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
In the end, though, it's just a name. MAD remains MAD and this will make no difference to anyone working at or traveling to/from/through MAD.

It is not about the airport though but about the person that is commemorated.


User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14703 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
I've always had a distaste for the eponymous naming of airports and their terminals.

I agree, personally I find it ridiculous for airports to be named after people. I sincerely hope the rumoured plans to name LHR after Winston Churchill never see the light of day.


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 628 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13695 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Quoting sk736 (Reply 3):

Yes, and yes!

I gag a little every time I see the name "George Bush Houston Intercontinental Airport", which is often. Most people in Houston simply refer to it as IAH or "Intercontinental", although "Bush" is used by the media.

Interestingly, HOU wasn't called "William P. Hobby" until 1967...and the name "Hobby" has never bothered me. Way, way back when, in the late 1930s, it was briefly called "Howard R. Hughes Airport", how's that for cool? That moniker didn't last very long, however, and the airport became known as Houston Municipal and later International, until it became Hobby.

And worse eponyms -- Vienna's "Mozart" and Rome's "Da Vinci" Airports -- blecch!

I prefer place-names for airports, such as Schiphol, Narita, Gatwick, Heathrow, SFO, DFW, LAX, etc. (and the very charming but lost Idlewild and Orchard).

Madrid will remain Barajas to me, just as Rome is Fiumicino.

Of course, all of this is just caviling, and of no real consequence.

 


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19965 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13575 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 4):

And worse eponyms -- Vienna's "Mozart" and Rome's "Da Vinci" Airports -- blecch!

In the US, stadiums and ballparks used to be named after players, managers, coaches, or teams. Tiger Stadium. Candlestick Park. The Superdome.

Now they're all corporate named. AT&T Park. Ford Field. Comerica Park.

So we should count our blessings, I guess. At least they didn't name it "Santander Madrid Barajas" airport or something.


User currently offlinecoolian2 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2006, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13550 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
In the US, stadiums and ballparks used to be named after players, managers, coaches, or teams. Tiger Stadium. Candlestick Park. The Superdome.

Now they're all corporate named. AT&T Park. Ford Field. Comerica Park.

So we should count our blessings, I guess. At least they didn't name it "Santander Madrid Barajas" airport or something.

It is what it is (I hate that phrase). As a bit of a total stadium nerd I'd love to continue the conversation but something makes me think I'd get in trouble.

And I'd doubt Santander have the money......


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
So we should count our blessings, I guess. At least they didn't name it "Santander Madrid Barajas" airport or something.

  
i don't really have a problem with naming airports after prominent figures, but naming them after corporations would be terrible.

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 6):
And I'd doubt Santander have the money......

If they lack money they don't show it. They're expanding in the U.S. like crazy, and they sure seem to have money to continue to sponsor the Ferrari F1 team, and some of the biggest soccer competitions in Latin America.


User currently offlinesmokeybandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13495 times:

Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport hasn't exactly caught on either.

User currently offlinecoolian2 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2006, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13480 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
If they lack money they don't show it. They're expanding in the U.S. like crazy, and they sure seem to have money to continue to sponsor the Ferrari F1 team, and some of the biggest soccer competitions in Latin America.

Can you please not ruin my completely uninformed sarcastic comment with silly things like facts? Thanks!


User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13334 times:

For me, DCA will always be simply "Washington National Airport."

I never intend to refer to it as Reagan National Airport.

e38


User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13309 times:
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Quoting e38 (Reply 10):
For me, DCA will always be simply "Washington National Airport."

What happened to "District of Columbia Airport"?

Amazes me that we change names like socks, yet the identifier stays the same - i.e. ORD, SGN, MCO and so forth.



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13242 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
So we should count our blessings, I guess. At least they didn't name it "Santander Madrid Barajas" airport or something.

Santander Airport (SDR), in the north of Spain and where the Santander bank was born, would have a problem with that. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santander_Airport

However, there's already a precedent in Madrid, Metro Line 2 was renamed as "L2 Vodafone" because of its red color, as well as the important local station "Sol", where 3 metro lines stop, now officially as "Sol Vodafone". Now, everytime a connecton with an L2 station or the Sol station are announced, the Vodafone tag is also always said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_2_%28Madrid_Metro%29


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 4):
I gag a little every time I see the name "George Bush Houston Intercontinental Airport", which is often. Most people in Houston simply refer to it as IAH or "Intercontinental", although "Bush" is used by the media.

Well George H. W Bush (whom it is named after not GWB) was a pilot, local resident (still lives in Houston 8 months of the year) and as a member of congress from Houston helped get funds for the new airport so it is not completely out of place as at least he was a pilot and promoted the field.

Plenty of people call it Bush or "The big airport" BTW

I do like terms like Intercontinental or Sunport!

THough I am not sure how much "World" there is at Will Rogers World Airport  



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User currently offlineReffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12746 times:

To be honest, after reading this thread I've been thinking and I couldn't think of a single - no, not even one - airport in Brazil that isn't named after someone. While I am not bothered by this, I do like 'normal' names. And let's face it, "Intercontinental" sounds way cooler than any name ever would, on an airport. :P

User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3346 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12682 times:
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Don't forget most Indian airports are named after famous people.

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User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12661 times:

DCA was renamed for former President Ronald Reagan, who, as I understand it, hated Washington DC. (He would retreat to Camp David or California as often as he could.) Aside from that, I always found it ironic for an airport to be named after a President who fired many Air Traffic Controllers.

Detroit Metro Airport has always been my favorite. Very simple, the way it should be, IMO


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12643 times:
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Quoting Reffado (Reply 14):
To be honest, after reading this thread I've been thinking and I couldn't think of a single - no, not even one - airport in Brazil that isn't named after someone.

VCP and CGH I believe aren't named after a person, but I could be wrong...



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User currently offlineBoeing778X From United States of America, joined Nov 2013, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12623 times:

Okay, Okay.

I agree that airports shouldn't be named after people, with the exception of a few honorables such as BOS, JFK, IAH, etc.
I mean, none of us, for sure, call MCO McCoy Field   
MAD is in the neighborhood of Barajas, so it's appropriate.


User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12606 times:

Every airport in Saudi Arabia is named either after a King or a Prince, e.g. King Abdulaziz Airport in Jeddah, Prince Mohamed Bin Abdulaziz Airport is in Medina.

User currently offlinetjcab From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12531 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 11):
What happened to "District of Columbia Airport"?

It's actually in Arlington Virginia, but serves the Washington metro area


User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 628 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
So we should count our blessings, I guess. At least they didn't name it "Santander Madrid Barajas" airport or something.

Now, that is scary! Corporate-named airports would be a real step down.

Regarding baseball, I still can't stomach Seattle's Safeco (insurance) field, and Houston went from naming their new ballpark after the Astros to, of all despicable things, ENRON Field, and now Minute Maid Park -- well, oranges are nice, I guess.

Quoting e38 (Reply 10):
For me, DCA will always be simply "Washington National Airport."

   I still call it "National", not Reagan.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 13):
Well George H. W Bush (whom it is named after not GWB)

Yes, I know, I work there, but notice how the new flashy silver greeting display at the JFK Blvd. airport entrance omits Bush senior's middle initials! Not that I'd want our airport named after either the father or son -- no offense, peace to them both.  


User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11620 times:

Try O. R. Tambo International Airport in Johannesburg!

There was actually a policy from 1994 that disallowed naming of places after politicians, but that policy was revoked in 2006 and the airport was named. I don't know many South Africans that call it by name.

King Shaka International Airport, on the other hand, I like. It wasn't renamed, as it's a greenfield project. Shaka Zulu is and was a very famous warrior and king. It suits the KZN provence well.

Anyone heard of Melbourne Tullamarine International, or just Melbourne Airport?  



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User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11255 times:

Quoting sk736 (Reply 3):
I sincerely hope the rumoured plans to name LHR after Winston Churchill never see the light of day.

Oh? Is there a queue? A government official suggested in September 1997 that London Heathrow change its name to "Diana, Princess of Wales" or something along those lines.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ca...-be-named-after-diana-1238172.html


User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10417 times:

I don't think it'll catch on. I very rarely hear people calling FCO "Leonardo da Vinci".

Overhere in Belgium almost everybody calls Brussels Airport by the town it's located in: Zaventem.

When I was young, the word Zaventem actually was synonymous for an airport to me, as news reports would just say "the plane landed at Zaventem".

It gets confusing though when Belgians wanna help foreigners how to get to the airport and tell them: "You need to go to Zaventem", the poor tourists take the train and then get of in the town iso at the airport...

The official name used to be "Brussels National Airport", and the train station is still called like that. I remember a foreigner asking me if they should get of here for a flight to the US, or if there was an international airport as well. They thought the "national" meant there were only internal flights...  Smile

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User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

Yes, I hate how DCA became Ronald Reagan whatever, especially how after Reagan fired the ATCers. Having grown up in DC especially, I still call it National Airport.


oh boy!!!
User currently offlinerakoon From Spain, joined Jan 2009, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

It has been an improvised fact, another one of the goverment and AENA, instead and thinking a little about it and put the name "Adolfo Suárez" to another element or place, they've put it to the airport, a place commonly, and universally known for a long time ago as Madrid-Barajas.

Obviously the common people will name the airport, in the same way as yesterday, Madrid-Barajas. In other cases, when the city has two or more airports it is normal using names of people to differenciate them, but in Madrid there is no problem, the airport is Barajas and no more.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2444 posts, RR: 14
Reply 27, posted (7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

At least Berlin's Willy Brandt Airport will be ready for the Second Coming of this great German politician.

Honestly, naming airports after people is a distraction. Locals ignore it, strangers are too lazy to google the significance of the namesake.


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User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

Don't forget Burbank (Bob Hope) and Orange County (John Wayne).
I've never heard anyone ever say that they're leaving for Hope or Wayne airports.
Los Angeles (LAX) properly named a terminal (Tom Bradley International Terminal) after its popular former mayor (I think during his lifetime) rather than the whole airport.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 29, posted (7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8643 times:

I couldn't care less, to be honest. Any airport is just a place where my plane arrives near the final destination I want/need to be. A name is fine, but any acceptable name is fine.
With acceptable I mean non-offending names, as names like Hitler,Mussolini etc would certainly not be acceptable.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 4):
And worse eponyms -- Vienna's "Mozart" and Rome's "Da Vinci" Airports -- blecch!

VIE is named after the town nearby, Schwechat.

SZG is Salzburg Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

Quoting realsim (Reply 12):
Will Rogers World Airport

Knowing the fine people of Oklahoma as I do, I think many people would say the flights to IAD, LAX, SFO qualify as "World" flights.   


User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

They had a minutes respect for him before the Real Madrid v Barcelona game on Sunday night.

Robbie

     



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 13
Reply 32, posted (7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Here in Israel it works pretty well. TLV airport was named after David Ben Gurion in 1974, and all people refer the airport as "Ben Gurion", when entering a taxi all you need to say the driver is 'take me to ben gurion' and all know that you talk about the airport. I do not know anyone, including older people, calling it by it's old name, 'Lod airport'.


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User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Never quite understood the dual-naming practices of European airports - at least it seems like a more common European thing. I'm thinking of Krakow-Balice (John Paull II), Paris CDG (Roissy), Rome Fiumicino (Leonardo da Vinci), Budapest Liszt (Ferihegy), and of course, now this Adolfo Suárez Madrid-Barajas Airport...

User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2444 posts, RR: 14
Reply 34, posted (7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 33):
Budapest Liszt (Ferihegy)

In that case, the terminal buildings were completely newly built at another location. Giving the airport a new name made sense, because at the old site there is still a parking lot, a train station, a bus stop...

"You really want to go to Ferihegy?", asks the taxi driver.

- "Yes, Ferihegy!"

"Okay... off we go!"




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User currently offlineturjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

Some names just work well - and it helps if they weren't controversial figures. YYZ for example is always refered to in Toronto as just 'Pearson'. Everyone from cab drivers to weather forecasters briefing on points of the city usually just say Pearson (eg. Only -22 at Pearson this morning and great visibility of 10 m).

User currently offlineflyingdoc787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Manila's airport is named after Senator Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino, Jr., who was shot in that airport on Aug. 21, 1983, as he was being escorted down the stairs of the boarding tube after having just landed on a China Airlines flight from Taipei. The official name of the airport is Ninoy Aquino International Airport, abbreviated NAIA. Most people pronounce it as "NA-EE-YA". If I remember correctly, NAIA was used only for the international terminal (now Terminal 1), but eventually, when Terminals 2 and 3 were built, they were also named NAIA (T2 and T3). Interestingly, the former Manila Domestic Passenger Terminal is now also called NAIA - Terminal 4.

User currently offlinetexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Lol. Why can't people just admit they don't like the names of airports commemorating politicians they don't like?

Be honest. I am. I don't like that Little Rock Adams field became Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport.

Let it be. I fly there often and don't care what they call it.



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User currently offlinestratacruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 22):
Try O. R. Tambo International Airport in Johannesburg!

There was actually a policy from 1994 that disallowed naming of places after politicians, but that policy was revoked in 2006 and the airport was named. I don't know many South Africans that call it by name

During the apartheid era JNB was Jan Smuts International Airport.


User currently offlineEltomzo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 4):
Most people in Houston simply refer to it as IAH or "Intercontinental", although "Bush" is used by the media.

A 6 syllable shorthand name...I feel sorry for the people of Houston if they have to say that mouthful every time they refer to the airport!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19965 posts, RR: 59
Reply 40, posted (7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 21):
Now, that is scary! Corporate-named airports would be a real step down.

Wait for it... I'm sure it's coming eventually.  


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2098 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter):
Adolfo Suárez Madrid-Barajas Airport"

To be known from now on, universally, as "Madrid" !


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 42, posted (7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

I think I know the real reason why most people here don't seem to like airports named after people, and I'm surprised it took 41 replies to post this:

Naming an airport after a person is practically irreversible, so the airports with geographic names (the bigger ones in particular) are becoming rarer every year. Rare equals valuable, admirable, exclusive.

Once an airport is named after a person, you can't easily go ahead and change the name back to the geographic name (has that ever happened?), in rare cases you can change the name to another person's name if the old name has gained a negative connotation (like Jan Smuts to O.R.Tambo).

So in general, you name an airport after a person that seems like a good idea at the time, but time goes by and the person becomes irrelevant but you can't really cancel the name.

People in 100 years will still look up to John F. Kennedy, but who in the year 2114 will remember politicians like Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton. Don't you think the USA will have had more important presidents by 2114 than those three?

If a city wants to give their airport a lasting name that's still relevant in 100 or 200 years, name it for something that isn't as short-lived as a human. Name it after the natural wonders, landscapes, towns or rivers of the area. That's a timeless name.

My opinion.

Soren   



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User currently offlinetexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quote:
People in 100 years will still look up to John F. Kennedy, but who in the year 2114 will remember politicians like Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton. Don't you think the USA will have had more important presidents by 2114 than those three?


Lol, are you being serious? Ronald Reagan is a conservative political icon, and he is remembered as perhaps the most important politician in the 2nd half of the 20th
century! None other than Barack Obama has said that Reagan was a transformative force in American politics that Clinton wasn't.

Regardless of party, FDR, JFK, Reagan will be remembered for a long time.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13271 posts, RR: 100
Reply 44, posted (7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3920 times:
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Quoting Schweigend (Reply 4):
Most people in Houston simply refer to it as IAH or "Intercontinental", although "Bush" is used by the media.

   This just ensured MAD is called "MAD."

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 41):

To be known from now on, universally, as "Madrid" !

Americans will go by the three letter code since the official name is insanely long. Just like IAH, LAX, and JFK.



Quoting Schweigend (Reply 21):
Now, that is scary! Corporate-named airports would be a real step down.

I'm not so sure...

"Qualcomm" airport would be easy to remember for San Diego.


But where would one hear "We have now landed in Viagra. Thank you for flying Spirit airways..."  


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User currently offlinetlecam From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

BOS is eponymous with Logan, General Edward Lawrence Logan. It was named after him not long after his death - either late 30's or early 40's.

Prior to that it had been Boston Airport and then "_____________" Field, although I can't remember what.

Clearly I've spent too much time waiting for delayed flights there.

With regards to JFK, Reagan etc...I prefer Idlewood, National etc...



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User currently offlineVulindlela From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

I think we all hate any of the ones that come about during our lifetime. JFK doesn't bother me because I know of nothing else. To me it's always been JFK.

Same in baseball. We all hate AT&T Park and Minute Maid Park, but no one bats an eyelash at Wrigley Field. While it may have been named for the owner William Wrigley, there is no doubt a big part of it was to promote his eponymous chewing gum company of which we are all familiar. But because this was all decades before my birth, I just assume that's the status quo.

Hartsfield International seems fine to me, but Hartsfield-Jackson just isn't right. That's all down to when I started paying attention. I know a guy who still refuses to even call it Hartsfield.



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User currently offlinetp1040 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

O'Hare is named for a World War II pilot, the code is ORD for the previous name of Orchid Field.

It is the international airport for Chicago and will more than likely be renamed O'bama International.

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User currently offlineboysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 944 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Personally I like Sky Harbour, because that's exactly what it is! Simple!

Quoting sk736 (Reply 3):
I agree, personally I find it ridiculous for airports to be named after people. I sincerely hope the rumoured plans to name LHR after Winston Churchill never see the light of day

I have not heard this rumour, personally I think the only London Airport that would be referred to in popular culture after a politician would be 'Boris Island' if it ever happens, of course that's not a debate for this thread.

Quoting Bwest (Reply 24):
It gets confusing though when Belgians wanna help foreigners how to get to the airport and tell them: "You need to go to Zaventem", the poor tourists take the train and then get of in the town iso at the airport...

The official name used to be "Brussels National Airport", and the train station is still called like that. I remember a foreigner asking me if they should get of here for a flight to the US, or if there was an international airport as well. They thought the "national" meant there were only internal flights...

I still know Belgian people who refer to it as 'National'

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 28):
Orange County (John Wayne).

Personally I take this as a joke. Also John Lennon has (in my opinion) not caught on for Liverpool at all, certainly not outside the city. Names that the average person in the UK would recognise (even if they had not been there) include;
CDG
JFK
Schipol

Personally I like relevant names such as famous early aviators and explorers like;
Marco Polo (Venice)
Kingsford Smith (Sydney NSW)

Maybe HUY should be renamed 'Amy Johnson International'!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3186 posts, RR: 8
Reply 49, posted (7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
In the US, stadiums and ballparks used to be named after players, managers, coaches, or teams. Tiger Stadium. Candlestick Park. The Superdome.

Now they're all corporate named. AT&T Park. Ford Field. Comerica Park.

So we should count our blessings, I guess. At least they didn't name it "Santander Madrid Barajas" airport or something.

Boeing Field anyone? I'm pretty certain I don't call it King County Airport. OK, the airport is not big as SEA, but still, it's an airfield named for William E. Boeing, who founded Airbus Boeing.



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User currently offlineWeb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2750 times:
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Quoting CoachClass (Reply 28):

Outsiders may not say they are goin to john Wayne...but all the locals know where you are going when you say "I am going to John Wayne" and to be fair most pilots use "John Wayne tower, John Wayne etc..." No pilots use "Orange County tower"

And the code SNA is because the airport is located in the city if Santa Ana, even though most people would classify it as Newport Beach or Irvine.

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 47):

I bet there would be more support for MDW to be called Obama Int'l. Some one would bring up that Butch O'Hare received the Medal of Honor in WWII, while flying an airplane that he died in.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 51, posted (7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting Vulindlela (Reply 46):
I think we all hate any of the ones that come about during our lifetime. JFK doesn't bother me because I know of nothing else. To me it's always been JFK.

That's right.

The long dead are not as offensive as the recent dead.

JFK doesn't offend many people as it has been that way for 50 years and he died just before that.

DCA might offend people because a lot of people still alive and well don't like Reagan's policies as President. However, in time, that will fade and people will just know that it was named after a popular 1980s President


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 52, posted (7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 16):

Detroit Metro Airport has always been my favorite. Very simple, the way it should be, IMO

But one of the terminals is named McNamara, instead of 1, 2, 3 or A B C D like most other airports...

Quoting texdravid (Reply 37):
Be honest. I am. I don't like that Little Rock Adams field became Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport.


I agree. No place should be named after any alive politician.
Same for IAH, basically.



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 53, posted (7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

For once, Romania did something nice. The main airports are named after aviation pioneers: Bucharest Henri Coanda, Bucharest Aurel Vlaicu, Timisoara Traian Vuia. Others are named for historical figures... I'm fine with that. Politicians, I don't like, cause 90% are people to whom you can't look up to.

I don't think anyone calls them that it's still Otopeni and Baneasa for the first two and "airport" for the latter. I do like naming an airport for the closest town/village/neighborhood, as is the now olden tradition.


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1053 posts, RR: 5
Reply 54, posted (7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

The main problem I see with renaming MAD is that it costs a lot of money and it is completely unnecessary (at this point in time). So here we have a nation and region in plain crisis and they're wasting up to a million Euros (see link) just like that.
It was probably the mayor's idea... while she was sipping on her relaxing coffee 

Spanish only, sorry:
http://www.cadenaser.com/sociedad/ar.../csrcsrpor/20140325csrcsrsoc_2/Tes

But, here in Germany we also have some very bad examples. There is one airport named after a Nazi (CGN) and one after a ultra conservative criminal (MUC) ...so no finger pointing allowed here.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 55, posted (7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting Bwest (Reply 24):
I don't think it'll catch on. I very rarely hear people calling FCO "Leonardo da Vinci".

Over here in Belgium almost everybody calls Brussels Airport by the town it's located in: Zaventem.

And in France you almost never hear anyone refer to CDG as Charles De Gaulle, or even just De Gaulle airport. It's usually just "Roissy".

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 21):
Quoting e38 (Reply 10):
For me, DCA will always be simply "Washington National Airport."

I still call it "National", not Reagan.

That's another problem with renaming airports. With rare exceptions like JFK, the new names very seldom catch on and almost everyone keeps using the old name.

It's also confusing for the travelling public. For example, if the average visitor to Toronto gets into a taxi and says "the airport please", and the driver asks, "Pearson" or "Billy Bishop", the passenger likely wouldn't know the difference. And YTZ, now Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport, is now on at least it's 3rd name. I expect most residents of Toronto still refer to it as Toronto Island Airport or just the Island Airport, it's 3rd last name. And many long-time residents of Toronto probably still refer to YYZ as Malton Airport. And for many residents of Montreal, YUL will probably always remain Dorval, not Trudeau.


User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 56, posted (7 months 4 days ago) and read 2142 times:

Since a few of us posters commented about DCA going from "National" to "Ronald Reagan," let's point out the wasted money just from the name change. The cost to WMATA (the metro/subway transit authority in the DC metropolitan area) was in excess of $800,000 just to change metal signs in the station and paper/illuminated plexiglass maps systemwide. For a politician who didn't respect the aviation industry, and was not liked in DC. (DC is 90% Democratic, the suburbs are more evenly split or conservative in some cases.)

Overall, I don't agree with the more recent US convention of renaming airports after politicians. To me, the only one that ever stuck was JFK.



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User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (7 months 4 days ago) and read 2132 times:

I'm appalled by most of the entries in this forum. Most of you complain about the airports being named after famous people, aviation-related, or not. On the other hand I bet that most of you know, by heart, your way to O'Hare, Indira Gandhi, Lindbergh, Santos Dumont, Tambo, de Gaulle, Ben Gurion, Kennedy, etc., and seldom or ever complain about the name.

But all it took for the fierce bashing of airport-naming to start, was one amazing thing that I don't see anyone reflecting on. The reason we all know the aforementioned names is that they are all intended to be an homage to the person that the airports are named after. And it works. We all know the names. Either we like them or not.

The amazing thing that happened is that the passing of Adolfo Suárez in Spain got a vast majority of Spaniards to agree (something very hard to see) on not just naming Madrid-Barajas after Suárez, but also hundreds of streets, parks, plazas and venues in Spain. I didn't read any of you reflecting on the importance of this person. Neither did I read any of you surprised that AENA had the name changed even before Suárez was put to rest.

I recognize that my years here did not let me expect something like that happening, but I did at least hoped that someone might have remembered the air-travel boycott applied to Spain during Franco's final years (at least one AM DC-8-63 was confiscated by Spain on political grounds). Air-travel to Spain was severed by many countries. It was among many of Suárez good deeds that we owe him the normalization of flights to/from Spain ever since.

On my part I am very happy to see this homage being paid to whom achieved the return of Spain to democracy in peace and the enormous support of a great majority in Spain for this name-change happening. I will also be very happy to fly from Juárez Int'l to Suárez Int'l from now on. Most important of all, I love the epitaph Adolfo Suárez wrote for himself: "'Concord' was possible'. RIP President Don Adlofo Suárez, 1st President of Government of the new democracy in Spain.



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User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (7 months 4 days ago) and read 2098 times:

Sydney has Kingford-Smith International Airport. Named after Australian aviation pioneer Charles Kingford-Smith.


Durban. Melbourne. Denver. Hong Kong.
User currently offlinebaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 22):
Anyone heard of Melbourne Tullamarine International, or just Melbourne Airport?  

To be honest, most people round here refer to it simply as 'Tullamarine', as it's shorter, and avoids confusion with Avalon.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7627 posts, RR: 17
Reply 60, posted (7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting texdravid (Reply 43):
Lol, are you being serious? Ronald Reagan is a conservative political icon, and he is remembered as perhaps the most important politician in the 2nd half of the 20thcentury!

Quite.

It has to be remembered that, despite their right-wing credentials, Reagan and Thatcher transformed the world through jaw-jaw rather than war-war. They talked to Mikhail Gorbachev. As a result the Iron Curtain across Europe disappeared, the Soviet Union collapsed and the almost 50-year-long Cold War with its almost constant fear of a nuclear holocaust ended.

Nevertheless I regret that that DCA adopted the name 'Reagan'. I am also eternally grateful that neither LHR or LGW or, indeed, any other airport was renamed 'Thatcher' and that no airport was named 'Gorbachev'. Yet these three were the world's most significant politicians and, possibly, personalities of the second half of the 20th century.


User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Quoting baguy (Reply 59):
To be honest, most people round here refer to it simply as 'Tullamarine', as it's shorter, and avoids confusion with Avalon.

I know. I live in Melbourne.  

When I talk about the airport to those not from Melbourne, though, I just refer to it as "Melbourne"



Durban. Melbourne. Denver. Hong Kong.
User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 55):
And in France you almost never hear anyone refer to CDG as Charles De Gaulle, or even just De Gaulle airport. It's usually just "Roissy".

Certainly not my experience. I have lived in Paris for almost 2 years in different periods of time and most young to middle age people I know call it Charles de Gaulle (I also think that the fact that the acronym - CDG - is so evident, probably helps with that). I guess also since there are so many foreigners and tourists in Paris for whom it is "CDG" helps to set that in the general mindset. I only hear some older people call it Roissy (which always catches my attention, since it seems so "dépasse").


User currently offlinestxbohn From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 13):

Plenty of people call it Bush or "The big airport" BTW

Or "Intergalatic" as it was called back in my college days here in Houston although all flights remain in the atmosphere! Agreed, that it's a really big airport to most people in Houston - to us A-netters, just something else for us to talk about.



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Thread starter):
The new name is "Adolfo Suárez Madrid-Barajas Airport"

...

Adolfo Suárez González, 25 September 1932 – 23 March 2014)

Wow, they were pretty quick. Normally it takes a while to dedicated something to someone, not a matter of days. Whilst it may be an honurable thing to do for a respected figure, I really hope for the Spanish people's sake they don't waste a lot of money uncessarily updating signs etc with the new name....waste of money for bascially no benefit.



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User currently offlinekulatict From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

add ICT to the mix... some group lobbied to the city council and they agreed to change ICT from Wichita Mid-Continent Airport to Wichita Dwight D. Eisenhower National Airport...talk about being mouthful...


when the city was debating the cost, a city council member noted it only cost 140K to change the sign, not a lot of money.....


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Unlike more divisive figures like Reagan, Clinton or Bush, Suárez was universally loved in Spain (it helped that he had Alzeimer's for the last 10 years, and hence stayed out of the spotlight). I believe the homage is entirely appropriate. Whether the name will catch up or not, I don't know, and, frankly, I don't care so much.


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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 67, posted (7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Almost nobody knows who IAD Washington Dulles International Airport is named after.... it's just one of those things!

AA777


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2444 posts, RR: 14
Reply 68, posted (7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 940 times:

Quoting AA777 (Reply 67):

John Foster Dulles, a U.S. foreign minister?

(Yeah, right, without googling.)

In the case of Dulles and JFK, naming the airports is sensible IMHO. "I'll drop you off at the Dulles airport!", "My flight leaves at the Kennedy airport"... and it's clear what we are talking about. No way somebody would drop you off at the wrong airport. The name serves its purpose.

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 47):
O'Hare is named for a World War II pilot, the code is ORD for the previous name of Orchid Field.

...Orchard...

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