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Garuda Selects "Big Twin's For The Win"  
User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 months 2 hours ago) and read 11293 times:

It was rumored months ago that Garuda would select either the A380 or 748 for their next large A/C order and Hajj operations. Other's suspected that these could be possible Amedeo A380 placements?

It appears that has changed...

http://www.ausbt.com.au/why-garuda-g...plans-for-airbus-a380-boeing-747-8

Garuda appears to have decided on "Big Twins for the Win"....


harder than woodpecker lips...
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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

That's sad, the A380 will look stunning in the GA livery. Than again, so will the A350/787/777X 

A388


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

To me it seems that they'll be going with the 777X.


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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8388 times:

Makes sense. They need grow their network. Both 748 and 380 would be considerable overkill for most, if not all, of their routes.


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User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3128 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

Given the newness of the 77W fleet, and the fact that they've indicated they want larger craft, the only real option left for VLA is the 779. But given GA's statement that the order will be in "quite substantial" numbers, I could also see them with an A35J and A359 fleet to open other routes to Europe. The 78J would be a good A330 replacement too.

So, while I believe the 779 will win the initial order, there will be follow on orders too for smaller craft.



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

This announcement could become very telling in the VLA market... If anyone needed a VLA for Hajj Opns it was this airline... The fact that they don't think that they can make it work is telling... It will be interesting to see if their are any significant top-off orders going forward (aside for Emirates).

And before the A380 Mafia chimes in... We are taking all 4 engine A/C.

Regards,



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

I think a 788 order would be good enough for GA for now, in order for them to build up their network. Could a 788 make it non-stop to Europe? That could open up new gateways there. I just hope they're not going to go after the Kangaroo route, as this will destroy them. Indonesia itself has tons of potential. It is a huge country with over 270m people. Having said that, I think the economic future of the country really hangs on the presidential elections in June (and potential run off in September), so let's wait and see.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 5):
If anyone needed a VLA for Hajj Opns it was this airline...

Yes but no a year-round demand


User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3128 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
Could a 788 make it non-stop to Europe? That could open up new gateways there.

Can't imagine they'd order the -8 when they could order the -9 (and -10 for that matter as an eventual A333 replacement).



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30527 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2033 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
To me it seems that they'll be going with the 777X.

The 777-9 would be a given, would it not?

They are just taking delivery of a fleet of 777-300ERs at 3+3+3 in Economy so are they really interested in the A350-1000 so soon?

The only option for growth in the twin family is the 777-9 at 10-abreast as that should get the north of 400 seats in two-classes, which will be close to what they have now with their two-class 747-400s.

And with the A350-800 now looking to be shelved, Boeing also would have the edge on growth for the A330 replacement order with the 787-9 (for A330-200) and 787-10 (for A330-300). The A350-900 would offer growth for the A330-300, but that's a major capacity jump for the A330-200.

Airbus could offer the A330-200neo and A330-300neo if they go forward with that program, but that would not allow Garuda growth and Boeing could counter with the 787-8 and 787-9.

If Boeing and GE are sharp with their numbers, I think they could take it all.

[Edited 2014-03-26 09:49:46]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10652 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
And with the A350-800 now looking to be shelved, Boeing also would have the edge on growth for the A330 replacement order with the 787-9 (for A330-200) and 787-10 (for A330-300). The A350-900 would offer growth for the A330-300, but that's a major capacity jump for the A330-200.

Airbus could offer the A330-200neo and A330-300neo if they go forward with that program, but that would not allow Garuda growth and Boeing could counter with the 787-8 and 787-9.

It's way too soon for the A330 replacement. Garuda has another 15 A330s on order and only the first 6 A330-300 jets are really old (MSN 138, 140, 144, 148, 153 and 165).

The rest is pretty new, have a look:
http://tinyurl.com/nmpkxmc

Their final 15 A330-300s are due for delivery between 2014 and 2018.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
They are just taking delivery of a fleet of 777-300ERs at 3+3+3 in Economy so are they really interested in the A350-1000 so soon?

The only option for growth in the twin family is the 777-9 at 10-abreast as that should get the north of 400 seats in two-classes, which will be close to what they have now with their two-class 747-400s.

Their 77Ws are brand new and they only have two 744s. With the A330 knowledge above, it doesn't look like this order will be for replacement at all. They want new jets to open new routes, i.e. this order can go all directions.

[Edited 2014-03-26 10:10:43]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30527 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1798 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
With the A330 knowledge above, it doesn't look like this order will be for replacement at all. They want new jets to open new routes, i.e. this order can go all directions.


I would be inclined to expect them to be basing their RFP not just on current needs but also future replacement plans for their exiting models since it is unlikely that Boeing and Airbus will have replacements for the 787 and A350 families when those new 777s and A330s come up for replacement.

[Edited 2014-03-26 10:31:57]

User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4851 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 6):
Could a 788 make it non-stop to Europe?

13.5-hrs westbound from CGK should get them well into Europe. A 788 is good for ~31t and a 789 for ~36t for the afore mentioned sector time


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