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Qatar Airways Plans Second Edinburgh Flight  
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1456 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 months 14 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

There was a briefing by Qatar Airways CEO in Edinburgh today. The news is that the airline will increase its forthcoming EDI service to daily by the end of the year and the plan is to go double-daily if the demand is there.

With Etihad tipped to serve EDI next year, it seems that Scottish passengers have never had it so good.

www.scotsman.com/news/transport/edin...t-second-flight-to-qatar-1-3352781

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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (4 months 13 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

EY and QR 2 x daily, plus a China flight could well be overkill I fear


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User currently onlinehibtastic From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2013, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 1):

So pessimistic. I'll keep saying it - EDI is a huge draw to visitors and this is an area that can be grown significantly. QR will increase to two daily before going for larger aircraft than the 788. EY is likely to be an A332 or 787. Plenty room for more.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12872 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3768 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Thread starter):
The news is that the airline will increase its forthcoming EDI service to daily by the end of the year and the plan is to go double-daily if the demand is there.

While I'm excited about the increase... it is a jump. Is this indeed a 788 route? (Per photo in the link. But that could be a 'stock photo.')

This is one of the routes the 787/A350 have the potential to open.    (More fragmentation is a *great* thing!)

I'm bummed EK isn't serving EDI... but I think market demand would be met if it is 2X QR and 2X EY. From then on it would be upgauging.


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User currently onlinehibtastic From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2013, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):

Yes 5 per week 788 from May 28th this year. Would love to see EK there too as I travel between dubai and EDI quite a lot. I use VS at the moment for this but will probably switch to QR or EY if they announce EDI.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (4 months 7 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 1):
So pessimistic. I'll keep saying it - EDI is a huge draw to visitors and this is an area that can be grown significantly. QR will increase to two daily before going for larger aircraft than the 788. EY is likely to be an A332 or 787. Plenty room for more.

I also forgot the TK flight.

Yes, I know EDI is a huge draw, but there needs to be a balance somewhere



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 months 7 hours ago) and read 3245 times:
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Nothing to see here really, just Mr Baker doing a sales pitch.

Winter increase at Edinburgh to daily inevitable, and plans to move to a second daily at some distant and unspecified time frame when yield, second transfer wave, and of course when that new airport opens are also hardly news.

Double daily isn't imminent

Through a read elsewhere a couple of Japanese visitors are due in July


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1091 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 5):
Yes, I know EDI is a huge draw, but there needs to be a balance somewhere

I do agree. Wouldn't want to saturate the market.

But it has been an incredible turn in fortunes for Scotland in terms on longer destinations. How much of this can be put down to the new EDI owners, and how much to aggressive Middle Eastern expansion.

And does anybody have figures from Visit Scotland that tourist growth alone would be enough to justify such expedited expansion?



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 7):
And does anybody have figures from Visit Scotland that tourist growth alone would be enough to justify such expedited expansion?

You don't necessarily need growth to fill those seats. Look at all the flights EDI has to the hubs, especially LHR, a lot of that traffic will be to/from Australia / Asia / Middle East. These extra flights will provide an alternative routing for these passengers, at the expense of some of the existing European hub airports.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 6):
Nothing to see here really, just Mr Baker doing a sales pitch.

But at least there's more positive information than can be gleaned from the official release.


www.qatarairways.com/english_global/...nf&CID=SMALL0678502232000000001105


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Reply 9):

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 6):
Nothing to see here really, just Mr Baker doing a sales pitch.

But at least there's more positive information than can be gleaned from the official release.


www.qatarairways.com/english_global/...nf&CID=SMALL0678502232000000001105

Still nothing tangible.

OH don't get me wrong here QTR will go double daily on certain days at some point similar to Manchester operations.

Network wise however they are the weakest of the ME3 . Onboard service outstanding however transit facilities not such much (right now)


User currently onlinehibtastic From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2013, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 10):
Network wise however they are the weakest of the ME3 . Onboard service outstanding however transit facilities not such much (right now)

I dont think this is correct. QR have a bigger fleet and serve more destinations than EY. Add to that - they are part of the Oneworld alliance.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

I am glad to see airlines use the 787 for its primary mission of serving 'long and thin' routes. This seems to be an example of that. Here on our shores, Boston got JAL with the 787 and will soon welcome Hainan to Beijing with their Dreamliner. Hopefully Qatar comes to Boston like they are at Edinburgh; we hear rumblings, but nothing concrete yet.

User currently offlinewzafar From Pakistan, joined Feb 2014, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 12):

They just don't make planes fast enough for the ME3 do they? Also the whole delay of the new DOH airport is slowing them down...


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
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Quoting hibtastic (Reply 11):
I dont think this is correct. QR have a bigger fleet and serve more destinations than EY. Add to that - they are part of the Oneworld alliance.

Etihad are developing a homebrew alliance - Effectively own Jet so have far greater penetration of the important sub continent market place. Combined way bigger fleet than QTR.

Qatar are Oneworld members but so what .

Have you been through Doha - Its a shed !

You also need to look beyond simple big numbers when comparing networks and more directly at the viable transfer opportunities
Hell your not going to fly EDI-DOH- YYZ or even MAN-AUH-YUL are you ?

Going East the only market where QTR outstrip Etihad is the Philippines and that more about the nanny shuttles -Vast majority go off the peninsular and in to Saudi.

However for a UK perspective Etihad serve more Australian points more often.

The Chinese networks are practically identical.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2584 times:
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Quoting rutankrd (Reply 14):
Qatar are Oneworld members but so what .

Expanded- Edinburgh has a significant number of BA/OW elites and whilst this service seems nice on the face of it I very much suspect the vast majority will continue to be booked shuttle T5 and beyond by a combination of inertia perceived convenience and personal greed ( Better awards on BA )


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 2):
So pessimistic. I'll keep saying it - EDI is a huge draw to visitors and this is an area that can be grown significantly. QR will increase to two daily before going for larger aircraft than the 788. EY is likely to be an A332 or 787. Plenty room for more.

Hang on, Scotland is not an infinite market an EDI is a good city break from Europe but the numbers around long haul are not going to be exponential here. Long haul going west is highly seasonal and going East is partially sewn up with EK and Skywards. Are we seeing a repeat of long haul rushing into new markets like NWA, AC, BA, AA and UA all serving GLA going West back in the 90s or are we looking at medium term sustainable growth. It's not *THAT* big a market, it's really not.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 14):
Have you been through Doha - Its a shed !

Shiny new airport opening soon, soon-ish, hopefully....

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 11):
I dont think this is correct. QR have a bigger fleet and serve more destinations than EY. Add to that - they are part of the Oneworld alliance.

They're both political arms of their rather, "old fashioned" states.... They have people on the payroll talking up things big time to get newspaper column inches, the real decision can only ever be made after the route matures over 18 months to 2 years. In exceptional cases like EK in DUB, they know they're onto a winner very quickly though.

EDI is a huge draw during the summer when it's almost passably warm on some days, EK at GLA is more biased towards outbound than inbound I believe, and that bias markedly limits the size of the market. Good luck to QR, looking forward to seeing EDI looking like a real airport. now if only they had a real terminal!


User currently onlinehibtastic From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2013, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):
now if only they had a real terminal!

Watch this space...


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 17):
Watch this space...

Spill it if there's anything worth knowing. BAA put a pint into a half pint pot, then managed another one for good meausure. The current layout is just a mess and a bottleneck, they had the chance to build a fit for purpose 21st century building and instead built a tin shed. That was the chance to redevelop properly and then knock down and rebuild the 1977 terminal as a stage 2 of the redevelopment.


User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Good to see that Qatar are feeling confident about this new service. Hopefully Ethiad will announce their competing route soon. There should be enough traffic to sustain a limited number of flights like these. A lot of people I know who are involved in the oil industries and shipping often take jobs out in south-east Asia. Places such as Malaysia. They more often than not fly on Emirates but being on the east side of Scotland I am sure more will find the EDI links a much better option than going over to GLA and fighting to get through the city.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 6):
Through a read elsewhere a couple of Japanese visitors are due in July

Care to elaborate on this? If there are any Japanese flights into EDI I would like to have the opportunity to photograph them.

Regards

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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1600 times:
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Quoting BritishB747 (Reply 19):
Care to elaborate on this? If there are any Japanese flights into EDI I would like to have the opportunity to photograph them.

Regards

Mark

To/from Osaka, 02/07/14 and 09/07/14 on B777-200 TIME TBA

JAL normally do a few of these each summer to various European cities such as Vienna, Bergen ,Barcelona and have done Edinburgh before.

[Edited 2014-03-26 09:58:33]

User currently offlineBritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 20):
To/from Osaka, 02/07/14 and 09/07/14 on B777-200 TIME TBA

JAL normally do a few of these each summer to various European cities such as Vienna, Bergen ,Barcelona and have done Edinburgh before.

Thank you very much. Will have to set a reminder for this or I will forget.

Yeah I have heard about them heading into EDI before but this was usually after the event so its good to get a heads up this time.

Thanks again

Mark



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

I think a summer season NRT - EDI 2 or 3 x weekly 787 would work well for JL or NH.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 22):
I think a summer season NRT - EDI 2 or 3 x weekly 787 would work well for JL or NH.

Hard to get high yield traffic using that operation nowadays, the asset is best deployed elsewhere on a daily operation and Scottish passengers served via Oneworld partner BA over the hub at LHR. They're actually charters are they not? JAL only supplying the aircraft and not selling the tickets?


User currently onlinehibtastic From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2013, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 882 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 22):
I think a summer season NRT - EDI 2 or 3 x weekly 787 would work well for JL or NH.
EDI are working hard to bring in a Chinese Airline and it is rumoured that negotiations are ongoing. Somebody on another site suggested that the necessary government approvals are there for such a service to begin as early as 2015.

Beijing is tipped as the destination.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 18):
Spill it if there's anything worth knowing.

Plans are underway as I understand it to sort out the International / Domestic arrangements at EDI and create more stands for larger aircraft.

The first stage is the East Project which is currently ongoing to extend the check in space and security hall as well as enhance the retail facilities in the terminal.

[Edited 2014-03-27 01:44:52]

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