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Thread For SAN Fans - Volume 3  
User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

We've surpassed 200 posts on Vol 2, so how 'bout we start a new one? V 2 can be accessed here:
Thread For SAN Fans - Volume 2 (by SANFan Dec 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Lindy', I'll let you provide an appropriate photo to start off this new thread.

I see on another thread ( Air Canada Rouge Expands To Western Canada (by catII Mar 25 2014 in Civil Aviation) ) that AC has announced rouge is coming to YVR and YYC. Unfortunately, I don't see any mention of YVR-SAN starting as part of this expansion. Needless to say, I find this disappointing. Maybe someday the route will start again...

Hope some others have some good news to report!

bb

[Edited 2014-03-25 11:18:22]

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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9377 times:

Delta will introduce the 739 on the Detroit route starting June 5 :

DL 833 SAN 1130 - 1852 DTW
DL 1509 SAN 2235 - 0555+1 DTW

And from September 2, four of the five daily flights to ATL will be operated by 739s :

DL 1592 SAN 0645 - 1355 ATL 739
DL 1662 SAN 0800 - 1507 ATL 739
DL 1692 SAN 1050 - 1804 ATL 739
DL 2267 SAN 1345 - 2105 ATL 739
DL 1792 SAN 2230 - 0542+1 ATL 763



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9363 times:
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Quoting Alsatian (Reply 1):
Delta will introduce the 739 on the Detroit route starting June 5 :

Delta has already been flying the 739 on DTW-SAN since the beginning of March.


User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9338 times:
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Thanks for starting the new thread, bb, and for keeping this series going. I've been following all along, even if there are sometimes gaps in my posting!

I think that the decrease in 757 service to SAN is going to be one of the major developments at our airport in 2014, along with a further drawdown of MD-80 flights. Since I've been asked to add a pictorial element to our thread, let's start off with an image of the future. I expect to see lots of these for the next 15-20 years...
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Photo © Lghsiao



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User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9312 times:

DL is also adding E175s on some of the SANLAX operations.


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 2):
Delta has already been flying the 739 on DTW-SAN since the beginning of March.

My mistake. I have checked the May schedules when the 757 is in use.

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 4):
DL is also adding E175s on some of the SANLAX operations.

From June 5 :

DL 5799 SAN 0620 - 0718 LAX
DL 5798 LAX 2055 - 2155 SAN



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9113 times:

Does anyone know what if Spirit will upgrade any SAN flights to A320s like they did last Summer? I checked their website, and came up with nothing.

User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 6):
Does anyone know what if Spirit will upgrade any SAN flights to A320s like they did last Summer? I checked their website, and came up with nothing.

And MY question regarding Spirit in SAN, bw', is if or when we might see something new in the way of routes or even added frequencies? I admit that NK does have a nice op here -- with 4 nonstop routes served generally daily and all year-round with 5 departures -- but there has been nothing new added since November of 2012 (when both PDX and SJD started.)

SAN has been the 3rd largest operation in the far west by the carrier for a couple of years now, behind only LAS and LA, and we have seen very consistent schedules (which tells me that all 4 routes are probably doing well), but there must be some growth opportunity of some kind left for NK in America's Finest City.

One destination that I've wondered a lot about (sometimes aloud on A.net) is SAN-ORD; Spirit has run a daily, one-stop, roundtrip in the market for quite a long time now, and that tells me that there must be good traffic flow there. Also, the airline is expanding service between ORD and other w/c stations (OAK and PDX for example) and in fact, in 2014, every western Spirit station except SAN is seeing nonstop service to O'Hare!

I would also think MSP, IAH, TLC (for MEX), and even OAK, might be possible growth possibilities from Lindbergh Field.

In a totally unrelated question, I wonder if Spirit's Manager of Route Planning still lives right here in Sandy Eggo???

Anyway, I'm happy that Spirit seems to be doing well with their ops here, including their only intl ops west of DFW (SAN-Cabo), but I'd love to see them expand by adding another destination or two at some point.

bb


User currently offlinesdbravo From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 21 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8723 times:

Here's a photo of Rouge departing San Diego this morning! I believe this is the first departure from SAN.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/southerncalifornian/13542243745/


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8668 times:
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Quoting sdbravo (Reply 8):
Here's a photo of Rouge departing San Diego this morning!

AC Rouge sure has one of the best logos!



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8597 times:
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Did anyone see the thread that DL is jumping into the SAN-SJD fray?
Possibly another slap at AS?

[Edited 2014-04-01 11:33:31]


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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 10):
Did anyone see the thread that DL is jumping into the SAN-SJD fray? Possibly another slap at AS?

I'm going to post on that thread next (which I saw this morning.)

I hate to say this but so far DL and WN have been shooting across AS's bow here in SAN for a few months now and the only reaction (by AS) so far has been a pull-back of frequency in their SEA-SAN service for the (peak) summer schedule! This is certainly not what I had hoped to see but this is part of what has me somewhat disturbed by AS's recent outlook in SAN. (BTW, I see SLC-SAN as part of a "SLC-thing" and not a "SAN-thing so I don't really count that as a retaliatory move against DL here.)

I know AS is very SEA-centric right now but I'm afraid they might lose the great strides they've been achieving lately here by completely ignoring all that is happening this year at Lindbergh (by DL and WN.)

This move by DL is very intriguing. They have had (or maybe still do have?) other SAN-Mexico routes that they've just sat on; I'm sure one was SAN-PVR and I believe they had (have?) SAN-MEX -- from the WA days -- and have done nothing with any of those authorities for decades. Rather than dusting off the SAN-PVR authorization and starting that route, while still poking AS with a stick, but with a route that does NOT have another daily flight by another carrier (NK), they jump into Cabo with everyone else!

Even MEX would make more sense to me for DL to re-start, as it too is only served by one other carrier (Y4), and that service is spotty at best.

  

bb


User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8480 times:
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I think this SAN-SJD application is pretty interesting also. I'd like to assume that Delta isn't just applying for the route in order to annoy or prey on Alaska, so this makes me wonder if that many Delta passengers have been flying on AS metal to date. Could this be a preemptory Delta move in the expectation that AS and DL will soon reduce the scope of their existing agreement?

Thinking further on the question of the dormant or extinct Delta SAN-MEX authority, I assume it wasn't necessary for DL to fly this route so long as it was offered by Aeromexico. But with AM out of SAN, perhaps it could be resumed by DL, especially if Delta would want to try to funnel Seattle passengers into Mexico via SAN.

Another thought is that perhaps DL sees an opportunity to expand in SAN as other legacy airlines (UA & AA, in particular) seem to be scaling back their operations.

Maybe these ideas are just wishful thinking, but I'd be curious to see what the rest of you think.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8412 times:

Quoting lindy field (Reply 12):
Maybe these ideas are just wishful thinking, but I'd be curious to see what the rest of you think.

I have a couple more thoughts on the topic. From the other thread, here is what was (apparently) applied for:

Quote:
DL has applied for daily seasonal SAN-SJD.

The fact that DL is planning on running SAN-SJD seasonally might be an important factor. Considering that neither AS nor NK seem to consider the route seasonal - except for a few months with slightly reduced frequency -- could DL's plans imply that perhaps they will be going for, as mentioned, SJD business from other points beyond SAN? DL, I believe, has already announced nonstop service from SEA to Cabo this winter so SEA-SAN-SJD seems an unlikely strategy.

Or could it be that DL wanted to grab the "final" US-carrier authorization for the route before someone else did? Like WN perhaps?

I would love to agree with you, Lindy', that perhaps DL is going to start some sort of growth spurt in SAN. I was hopeful for this when DL last added the infamous and very short-lived SAN-HNL flight a few years ago, and of course nothing ever came of that. DL, just like UA and AA, has absolutely no p-2-p service from Lindbergh at this point so if this SJD-route does begin, it COULD be a sign of things to come...

I've thought for a long time that service from SAN to Mexico by US cx (as opposed to what AM and Y4 have offered) to routes like GDL, MEX and MZT, would do well. I think AS is proof of that, as is NK. I've wondered if AS would at some point try GDL or MEX and I would love to see NK maybe try SAN-TLC. And who knows what WN might have in mind? Perhaps DL is now thinking along these lines as well...

bb


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8384 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
I would love to see NK maybe try SAN-TLC

IIRC, I do believe that Y4 has at the DOT applied for and received the authority to fly nonstop SAN-TLC, and this application happened simultaneously as Y4 applied for same DEN-TLC nonstop authority and had it approved. Y4 also applied for GDL-DEN and CUU-DEN a while ago (around the same time of TLC-DEN/SAN, or maybe just a few days afterwards), and after about 6 months, finally announced a couple of weeks ago that both DEN routes would be starting 1X weekly this July. So...... this is encouraging with at least some progress. And somehow (anyone feel free to correct here if I'm mistaken) Y4 received an additional bird into their fleet which sparked the DEN routes to happen.

Now.... for both SAN and DEN TLC authorities to emerge into flight realities may be dependent upon Y4 receiving some additional birds into their fleet, which again, IIRC, one or two more birds may be on their way here. So..... as Y4 gets these birds, will they finally fill some more of these presently approved but not yet served U.S. authorities, and get both SAN and DEN having nonstops to TLC? I personally think that when fleet is situated for it, then both SAN and DEN will see these TLC routes happen, even if it is just 1X weekly at the start.

So..... just wanting to be encouraging here. Since Y4 actually did make some hay here at DEN (and sorta knocked my socks of with that, my thinking was mostly that these authorities would just be squatted on indefinitely) maybe they will with SAN as well, since I think that TLC-SAN would be a good market. I would also think that with very low frequencies to initiate (1X - 2X weekly) that Y4 wouldn't have any problem filling these planes with premium O&D, both with SAN and DEN.

 


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 14):
So..... just wanting to be encouraging here.

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject, point2'.

I don't know if Y4's fleet is so tight that they couldn't have come up with a couple of once-a-week flights (such as the new DEN ones) without needing new metal in-house. They do seem to operate a lot of flights that are sub-daily. But you may be right.

One thing that I've wondered about regarding SAN (and DEN) is whether Volaris would keep MEX service or replace it with TLC? From the US, I'm not sure if MEX and TLC would be considered separate markets or not? If they are not separate, there seems no reason why they wouldn't have already simply substituted a couple of TLC-SAN flights for some MEX-SAN frequency. In other words, would Y4 eventually have flights from SAN and DEN to BOTH TLC and MEX?

bb


User currently offlinegmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8322 times:

In regards to AS and SAN, on page 8 of AS's new sustainability report (http://www.alaskaair.com/~/media/Files/PDF/CSR/Sustainability-Report_2013.pdf) Alaska says it operates from its hubs in Anchorage, Los Angeles, Portland, San Diego, and Seattle.

This is the first time I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub. Has any one seen that before, or is it new?


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting gmcc (Reply 16):
In regards to AS and SAN, on page 8 of AS's new sustainability report, Alaska says it operates from its hubs in Anchorage, Los Angeles, Portland, San Diego, and Seattle.
This is the first time I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub. Has any one seen that before, or is it new?

Wow! What a great find, gm'! (I'm unable to download the report to actually see it for myself...)

Yes, to the best of my knowledge, this is the first sighting of any sort of station status upgrade seen or heard regarding SAN; I've never even seen us mentioned officially as a key or focus city before.

If this isn't some sort of error, I see it as great and very welcome news - the first good news in a while from the folks at AAG (regarding SAN.)

Thanks for sharing this with us!

bb


User currently offlinegmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

SANFan, that was the direct link to the PDF report all 93 pages of it. You might be be able to get to the report from this link. http://www.alaskaair.com/content/abo...us/sustainability/our-mission.aspx

Assuming someone was not over zealous in the report, this sounds like a good question for the first quarter conference call coming up.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting gmcc (Reply 18):
SANFan, that was the direct link to the PDF report all 93 pages of it. You might be be able to get to the report from this link. http://www.alaskaair.com/content/abo...us/sustainability/our-mission.aspx

Thanks, I finally got it open; my computer was just a bit constipated getting the whole .pdf to open! I've already screenshot page 8 and saved the entire document.

But well worth the wait! Like I said before, wow! What a lovely sight to see -- SAN officially listed as a HUB in an Alaska publication!

Quoting gmcc (Reply 18):
Assuming someone was not over zealous in the report, this sounds like a good question for the first quarter conference call coming up.

I'm sure you're right that it WILL be asked and I think I know who will ask it. (There's one fellow who invariably asks something about SAN.) And yes, let's hope it was NOT a mistake!

In a related note, I saw in a press release a few days ago about AS starting an online self-tagging (baggage) option, that 3 routes from SEA were selected for the roll-out of the new service: ANC, JNU and SAN. Here's the link if anyone's interested:
http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20140328_075422.asp

Very nice to see all this coming from AS!

bb


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8227 times:
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Quoting gmcc (Reply 16):
This is the first time I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub. Has any one seen that before, or is it new?

Maybe this is finally a response from AS regarding DL and WN making moves against them?
If that's the case, you can be sure SAN will be back in WN's top-ten. I was also looking again
at DL's SAN-SJD flight, it's supposed to be seasonal,but operated by a 738. (that sure beats a
regional jet to SJD!) But I have a bad feeling this flight is not going to last long. DL should be
looking at YVR from SAN instead of SJD.

Quoting lindy field (Reply 12):
Another thought is that perhaps DL sees an opportunity to expand in SAN as other legacy airlines (UA & AA, in particular) seem to be scaling back their operations.

I hope this is the case. I was kind of hoping UA would bring back the widebodies since they moved
to T-2W, with gates that can handle widebodies. I would love to see an occasional UA 763, instead of
all the usual A320s,'A319s,and 737s.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8225 times:

Quoting gmcc (Reply 16):
I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub
Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
SAN officially listed as a HUB in an Alaska publication!

Really moving up in the world over there at SAN, eh? First BA and LHR, then those long awaited Florida nonstops, and the JL and NRT, then some added Mexico......... and now a HUB....... pretty good for an airport with a total of one runway....

Quoting SANFan (Reply 15):
One thing that I've wondered about regarding SAN (and DEN) is whether Volaris would keep MEX service or replace it with TLC? From the US, I'm not sure if MEX and TLC would be considered separate markets or not? If they are not separate, there seems no reason why they wouldn't have already simply substituted a couple of TLC-SAN flights for some MEX-SAN frequency. In other words, would Y4 eventually have flights from SAN and DEN to BOTH TLC and MEX?

That's a pretty good question....... from what I can gather here, LAS and SAT are the only two stations that have nonstops to both MEX and TLC, and not even from the same carrier. So what Y4 would do here is a big guess on my part, since Y4 already had both MEX-SAN/DEN when they applied for TLC, so I would guess that TLC would be in addition to...... I suppose that a 1X or 2X weekly could be done, since Y4 already has ops with all stations involved.

 


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8207 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
pretty good for an airport with a total of one runway....

Dang right ... and a total airport size of 661 acres!

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
So what Y4 would do here is a big guess on my part, since Y4 already had both MEX-SAN/DEN when they applied for TLC,

If I 'member correctly, didn't Y4 switch OAK from one airport to the other a year or two ago? (I think it was TLC to MEX.)

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
and now a HUB.......

I shouldn't be taking this so seriously (and importantly) but it if it proves to be a true reflection of AAG's viewpoint, I can't help but feel terrific about their future here -- and SAN's!

Of course we all know that it won't be truly official until AS's Wikipedia page is updated!  
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 20):
I was also looking again at DL's SAN-SJD flight, it's supposed to be seasonal but operated by a 738. (that sure beats a regional jet to SJD!)

Yeah, the fact that it's a mainline a/c might be a clue to what's going on too. But I still don't know what that is. (I think DL already has nonstop service from all it's hubs to Cabo so where else would DL be getting traffic to connect to this SAN-SJD service?)

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 20):
But I have a bad feeling this flight is not going to last long. DL should be looking at YVR from SAN instead of SJD

You're remembering the HNL-service too, eh L-Man? LOL. So maybe DL will do YVR-SAN-SJD -- now THAT would be fantastic!!!!

bb


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8197 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):
Dang right ... and a total airport size of 661 acres!

Wow, really..... I think that's almost the size of DEN's terminal that sits on some 34,560 total acres of land (lol)........

 


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8183 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 23):
Wow, really..... I think that's almost the size of DEN's terminal that sits on some 34,560 total acres of land (lol)........

Yep, but we need to also keep in mind that this tiny airport is only about 2 miles from downtown Sandy Eggo (and that's probably one of the reasons it's still there!)

bb


25 Post contains images SANMAN66 : That debacle did cross my mind! That would be fantastic,and thinking outside the box too! And it has one of the most dramatic views of downtown (from
26 Post contains images gmcc : Further speculating on the AS HUB theme. the one thing that all the other hubs have that SAN does not have is a Board Room. Maybe there is a Board Ro
27 SANFan : I was going to mention this (along with number of gates at SAN, etc.) but every time I've brought up the subject of a Board Room (in the old UA Club
28 SANMAN66 : I brought up this possibility in another thread a while back. Maybe AS is going to wait and see what the final plans are with T-1 before moving ahead
29 777ord : Speaking of land size, what are they building next to Landmark? I sadly fly more out of CRQ now so last week was my first time in a couple months to s
30 Hayseuss : They are building a centralized rental car facility. We've needed one for years IMO.
31 Post contains links bw50505 : 2 SPA B732's flew in from TUS this morning: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20140406/1415Z/KTUS/KSAN http://flightaware.com/live/flig
32 Tomassjc : Perhaps they've confused "Hubs" with "Flight Attendant Bases"? Love following this thread, btw! Tomas SJC
33 bw50505 : Nevermind, I just found out SPA only has 2 a/c in their fleet, 703S and 712S, hence the flight numbers.
34 SANFan : About a month ago, bw' provided a glimpse at some of the late Spring and early Summer changes coming up at SAN (from both AA and DL.) It looks like AA
35 SANMAN66 : That's a little strange, considering AA wants to turn (that big airline magnet called LAX) into a Pacific gateway. You would think they would be like
36 lindy field : Hi bb, Thanks for the AA update, and indeed, I'm glad to see some AA 757s regularly scheduled. But I find the SAN-LAX service info more interesting. I
37 SANFan : Well, one important thing about this SAN-LAX situation is that there is very little local (O&D) traffic -- seems it's usually about 90 pax/day tot
38 Post contains links SANFan : I know that most of us had given up on PR's interest in serving SAN back in 2008 but I do think, especially for those newer SAN Fans, the subject shou
39 SANMAN66 : I'm simply taking a guarded position on this. (A believe it when I see it stance.) I thought our chances for PR dimmed when they dropped LAS-YVR-MNL.
40 Post contains links and images point2point : Just as an FYI here, Y4 has petitioned the DOT to renew its SAN-MEX/GLD routes. http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf89/884.pdf It seems that Y4 is pretty con
41 SANFan : I posted on one of the other threads that it appears that the SAN Route Development team is indeed still interested in landing PR here. Here's a copy
42 Post contains images Devilfish : With the biggest (Cat 2) out of the way, two hurdles remain. As pointed out elsewhere, the data don't seem to support the idea. Could be that a regul
43 realsim : Although only for a month (May 8 to June 10), a daily 763 will operate the route between DFW and SAN. AA1086 DFW 08:55 SAN 09:55 763 D AA1086 SAN 10:
44 SANFan : AFAIK, JL takes no weight penalties between Lindbergh and Narita. And apparently the daily 787 is doing well, leading me to assume the flights are pr
45 JAAlbert : This is surprising given the huge Filipino population here in San Diego. I recently saw a travel show on some of the islands of the Philippines. The
46 JAAlbert : I think the tall structures going up are airline hangers or some sort of facility for the cargo planes that hang out at that end of the airport. The
47 JAAlbert : What's up with BA 272 this evening? Flight aware lists TWO 772s leaving tonight - BA272 and BA 272A! Was last night's flight canceled? Somebody better
48 Post contains images SANFan : Yeah, I think Survivor is also getting a lot of people to notice the beauty in that part of the world. Haven't the last 3 or 4 seasons of the show ta
49 Post contains images san88 : I'm not sure our tiny airport with 3 international gates can handle two 777's at the same time ??? I could be wrong.
50 Post contains images SANFan : Good point, san'. I'm not sure if gates 20/21 and 22 could each handle a T7 at the same time. And AFAIK, there are no mobile lounges on property yet.
51 Boeing717200 : The charts say about a 20k penalty. So it can carry about as much as a 777-200ER could. Roughly 75k in payload depending on the winds. Of course in a
52 Post contains images Devilfish : Sorry for the late reply - there was a bad moon rising and I got sidetracked . Firstly, the huge community you were referring to are mostly pensioner
53 Boeing717200 : If you add PAL to the SAN-Asia market, one will live and one will die. JAL has a better product and offers far superior reach in terms of a network t
54 GRUIAD : While I agree PAL service would impact JAL, only really on the days that PAL would operate. I could only see PAL operating 2-3 weekly frequencies to
55 SANFan : Just thought I'd report that the February and March pax traffic figures for SAN were (finally) released today. > February total pax at Lindbergh we
56 SANFan : FYI, there's news about the Cross-Border/SAN-TIJ facility and I started a thread on it if anyone has anything to say. (Or, naturally, feel free to tal
57 bw50505 : I think N2767, a Google 767-200 in VIP config, is parked over by the tower right now. I just saw it while driving by on the highway.
58 SANFan : Spirit has just announced new service between SAN and IAH starting Sept 3; the flights will continue beyond Texas serving FLL as well. As usual, we se
59 SANMAN66 : Go Spirit! It looks like they will be competing with UA on the SAN-IAH route. It seems like NK is doing well competing against AA on the SAN-DFW route
60 SANFan : I was thinking about NK and no matter what anyone says about the experience of flying on the carrier, it has to be recognized that the airline does of
61 Post contains images SANMAN66 : The thing that really impressed me about Spirit is that they jumped on the SAN-SJD route rather quickly. They didn't seem to wait around like the othe
62 lindy field : Hi all, I absolutely agree that healthy competition is always welcome on routes to/from SAN. I am a little surprised that Spirit flies all these route
63 SANMAN66 : I think I remember ATA serving SAN about the mid-to late 90s. One of the destinations was HNL.
64 SANFan : Wow, you got me Lindy'. I have absolutely no recollection of ATA EVER serving SAN, other than a few charters that likely took place. L-Man seems to r
65 SANMAN66 : ATA did serve SAN for a short time during the 90s (1996?) I remember them starting up service here shortly after BA started their second try here. (W
66 Post contains links and images lindy field : Sorry for the delay in getting back on this. To expand further on what I remember about ATA's service to SAN, it was around the time that they were fl
67 bw50505 : Just saw the first 753 for the summer pop up on FA. It is DL833 on Friday. They should start coming from ATL in about a month, from DTW during May onl
68 Post contains images san88 : Today's rare reverse operations at SAN due to winds on hot and sunny day. Go down and watch runway 9 departures Update *****Sitting at my secret spot
69 SANMAN66 : I'm wondering if the JAL 787 did a reverse takeoff? It's been really windy all day today.
70 Post contains links bw50505 : It looks like WJ1565 is burning fuel right now so it can come back. It seems to be holding right now at FL100. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/W...
71 Post contains images san88 : I'm wondering if the JAL 787 did a reverse takeoff? It's been really windy all day today. JAL has not pushed the gate, SAN departures delay. I'm waiti
72 Post contains images san88 : I'm sad to report she took off from 27 A few fascinating observations today, two SWA planes were pushed back and headed to runway 9 for takeoff. In t
73 washingtonflyer : You missed the "eh" by the controller. Hehehehehe...
74 hawaiian717 : I was at Stone Liberty Station yesterday while the planes were landing on 9. Great views from the patio there. I saw JAL depart before I got there and
75 Sligo : They opened up phase one of Airspace Lounge yesterday (http://www.airspacelounge.com) for seating and self-serve snacks/coffee. It is the one that is
76 bw50505 : Just saw on DL flight schedules that they will have the 752 on SAN-JFK for at least the start of May, maybe longer. This looks like good news for the
77 lindy field : Speaking of Delta, I also see that the afternoon flight has been upgraded from a MD-90 to 739, and the 753 is on the DTW run today as reported earlier
78 SANFan : Very interesting Sligo -- thanks for the update. Only problem is I'm very confused now. I thought there was a real-live Admiral's Club being built so
79 Boeing717200 : You complain about this a lot on here every time there is an airline announcement for SAN and its totally misplaced. Airlines are a private enterpris
80 Post contains links hawaiian717 : Article posted yesterday on the U-T's web site talks about the airport and the trolley. Also touches on the CONRAC, Grand Central Station, and what to
81 SANFan : We’ll just have to disagree. I feel that an airport has a responsibility and is in a perfect position to help promote any expansion and growth by i
82 Boeing717200 : I wasn't offering you an opinion to debate the issue or stating how I feel about the issue. I was explaining, as a person who works in the industry,
83 bw50505 : The heat today is causing some weight penalties (fuel stops in parenthesis): -DL1692, B739, SAN-(MEM)-ATL -DL833, B753, SAN-(PHX)-DTW -US581, A320, SA
84 AAR90 : AA1430. We made it midway across Utah before Dispatch sent us back to SAN. Dispatcher said all the ORD alternate airports were "getting clobbered" an
85 bw50505 : I remember seeing that AA1430 had gone up to Utah and then made a 180 straight back to SAN. I forgot the flight # though, thanks for posting it along
86 SANMAN66 : Yeah, they were using rwy-9 today for takeoffs.
87 bw50505 : ATTENTION SAN SPOTTERS!!! BA273/272 is being operated by a B77W tonight (Friday) instead of a 772! It is scheduled to land at 1832 PDT (usual time), a
88 bw50505 : Update: BA273 got delaye and will not be arriving until after 2000 PDT today. It's still a B77W.
89 Post contains links aviatorcraig : The aircraft is G-STBH http://www.flightradar24.com/BAW273/35887e5
90 san747 : Awesome news! Hope Ryan or someone else can get a shot of it when it lands!
91 Post contains links and images san88 : I was able to go down and get a glimpse of her landing. http://youtu.be/Rd7Q3b5AXJA Not my best work but you get the idea
92 bw50505 : Well, G-STBH landed at about 1955 PDT while the light was slowly fading away, but I bet someone probably got some good shots of it over at the airport
93 san747 : Which is great especially because the BA 77W is such a rare aircraft, the fleet is still under 10 frames I believe. You can't spot them in the US exc
94 Post contains links and images bw50505 : ATTENTION SAN SPOTTERS!!! (Again DL2367 is being subbed by a 772 today instead of the normal 763. It will arrive sometime after 2200 PDT tonight, and
95 SANMAN66 : Wow! The rarebirds keep showing up! I don't recall DL ever sending a 777 here! I suppose wer'e overdue for an appearance from a 747?
96 bw50505 : Tail is N862DA, an ER. Agreed we are very much overdue. We've done pretty good so far this year though: 2x WO MD11P 2x OAE B763 1x NOA B763 1x BA 77W
97 SANMAN66 : Agreed It's sad that WO is now gone! I used to like their old logo,the "Boomerang Meatball" much better than the latest one. Also, I didn't know NA i
98 bw50505 : Misinterpretation of a thread I though I saw earlier this year on Airliners.net. NA sold some part of its ops to Omni, but I researched and I can't f
99 Post contains links and images SANMAN66 : No problem,I can understand why WO went under and NA is on the decline. Since the war in Iraq has been over and the war in Afghanistan's winding down,
100 san88 : I'm not sure if this was posted but SWA is starting SAN - IAD daily roundtrip starting Nov 2nd
101 Post contains links and images C767P : It blocked out about 9:44 am due to crew rest. Didn't push until 9:56, and was wheels up about 10:25.
102 777ord : Wow. That's a beautiful sight! No wonder DL is hiring like crazy in SAN!
103 Post contains links bw50505 : Today we had an FX A306 fly in from SAT and depart to OAK this morning. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...4/history/20140601/1450Z/KSAT/KSAN http
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