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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9861 times:

We've surpassed 200 posts on Vol 2, so how 'bout we start a new one? V 2 can be accessed here:
Thread For SAN Fans - Volume 2 (by SANFan Dec 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Lindy', I'll let you provide an appropriate photo to start off this new thread.

I see on another thread ( Air Canada Rouge Expands To Western Canada (by catII Mar 25 2014 in Civil Aviation) ) that AC has announced rouge is coming to YVR and YYC. Unfortunately, I don't see any mention of YVR-SAN starting as part of this expansion. Needless to say, I find this disappointing. Maybe someday the route will start again...

Hope some others have some good news to report!

bb

[Edited 2014-03-25 11:18:22]

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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9678 times:

Delta will introduce the 739 on the Detroit route starting June 5 :

DL 833 SAN 1130 - 1852 DTW
DL 1509 SAN 2235 - 0555+1 DTW

And from September 2, four of the five daily flights to ATL will be operated by 739s :

DL 1592 SAN 0645 - 1355 ATL 739
DL 1662 SAN 0800 - 1507 ATL 739
DL 1692 SAN 1050 - 1804 ATL 739
DL 2267 SAN 1345 - 2105 ATL 739
DL 1792 SAN 2230 - 0542+1 ATL 763



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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9664 times:
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Quoting Alsatian (Reply 1):
Delta will introduce the 739 on the Detroit route starting June 5 :

Delta has already been flying the 739 on DTW-SAN since the beginning of March.


User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9639 times:
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Thanks for starting the new thread, bb, and for keeping this series going. I've been following all along, even if there are sometimes gaps in my posting!

I think that the decrease in 757 service to SAN is going to be one of the major developments at our airport in 2014, along with a further drawdown of MD-80 flights. Since I've been asked to add a pictorial element to our thread, let's start off with an image of the future. I expect to see lots of these for the next 15-20 years...
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Photo © Lghsiao



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User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9613 times:

DL is also adding E175s on some of the SANLAX operations.


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9583 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 2):
Delta has already been flying the 739 on DTW-SAN since the beginning of March.

My mistake. I have checked the May schedules when the 757 is in use.

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 4):
DL is also adding E175s on some of the SANLAX operations.

From June 5 :

DL 5799 SAN 0620 - 0718 LAX
DL 5798 LAX 2055 - 2155 SAN



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9414 times:

Does anyone know what if Spirit will upgrade any SAN flights to A320s like they did last Summer? I checked their website, and came up with nothing.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9249 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 6):
Does anyone know what if Spirit will upgrade any SAN flights to A320s like they did last Summer? I checked their website, and came up with nothing.

And MY question regarding Spirit in SAN, bw', is if or when we might see something new in the way of routes or even added frequencies? I admit that NK does have a nice op here -- with 4 nonstop routes served generally daily and all year-round with 5 departures -- but there has been nothing new added since November of 2012 (when both PDX and SJD started.)

SAN has been the 3rd largest operation in the far west by the carrier for a couple of years now, behind only LAS and LA, and we have seen very consistent schedules (which tells me that all 4 routes are probably doing well), but there must be some growth opportunity of some kind left for NK in America's Finest City.

One destination that I've wondered a lot about (sometimes aloud on A.net) is SAN-ORD; Spirit has run a daily, one-stop, roundtrip in the market for quite a long time now, and that tells me that there must be good traffic flow there. Also, the airline is expanding service between ORD and other w/c stations (OAK and PDX for example) and in fact, in 2014, every western Spirit station except SAN is seeing nonstop service to O'Hare!

I would also think MSP, IAH, TLC (for MEX), and even OAK, might be possible growth possibilities from Lindbergh Field.

In a totally unrelated question, I wonder if Spirit's Manager of Route Planning still lives right here in Sandy Eggo???

Anyway, I'm happy that Spirit seems to be doing well with their ops here, including their only intl ops west of DFW (SAN-Cabo), but I'd love to see them expand by adding another destination or two at some point.

bb


User currently offlinesdbravo From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 22 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9024 times:

Here's a photo of Rouge departing San Diego this morning! I believe this is the first departure from SAN.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/southerncalifornian/13542243745/


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8969 times:
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Quoting sdbravo (Reply 8):
Here's a photo of Rouge departing San Diego this morning!

AC Rouge sure has one of the best logos!



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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8898 times:
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Did anyone see the thread that DL is jumping into the SAN-SJD fray?
Possibly another slap at AS?

[Edited 2014-04-01 11:33:31]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 10):
Did anyone see the thread that DL is jumping into the SAN-SJD fray? Possibly another slap at AS?

I'm going to post on that thread next (which I saw this morning.)

I hate to say this but so far DL and WN have been shooting across AS's bow here in SAN for a few months now and the only reaction (by AS) so far has been a pull-back of frequency in their SEA-SAN service for the (peak) summer schedule! This is certainly not what I had hoped to see but this is part of what has me somewhat disturbed by AS's recent outlook in SAN. (BTW, I see SLC-SAN as part of a "SLC-thing" and not a "SAN-thing so I don't really count that as a retaliatory move against DL here.)

I know AS is very SEA-centric right now but I'm afraid they might lose the great strides they've been achieving lately here by completely ignoring all that is happening this year at Lindbergh (by DL and WN.)

This move by DL is very intriguing. They have had (or maybe still do have?) other SAN-Mexico routes that they've just sat on; I'm sure one was SAN-PVR and I believe they had (have?) SAN-MEX -- from the WA days -- and have done nothing with any of those authorities for decades. Rather than dusting off the SAN-PVR authorization and starting that route, while still poking AS with a stick, but with a route that does NOT have another daily flight by another carrier (NK), they jump into Cabo with everyone else!

Even MEX would make more sense to me for DL to re-start, as it too is only served by one other carrier (Y4), and that service is spotty at best.

  

bb


User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8781 times:
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I think this SAN-SJD application is pretty interesting also. I'd like to assume that Delta isn't just applying for the route in order to annoy or prey on Alaska, so this makes me wonder if that many Delta passengers have been flying on AS metal to date. Could this be a preemptory Delta move in the expectation that AS and DL will soon reduce the scope of their existing agreement?

Thinking further on the question of the dormant or extinct Delta SAN-MEX authority, I assume it wasn't necessary for DL to fly this route so long as it was offered by Aeromexico. But with AM out of SAN, perhaps it could be resumed by DL, especially if Delta would want to try to funnel Seattle passengers into Mexico via SAN.

Another thought is that perhaps DL sees an opportunity to expand in SAN as other legacy airlines (UA & AA, in particular) seem to be scaling back their operations.

Maybe these ideas are just wishful thinking, but I'd be curious to see what the rest of you think.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

Quoting lindy field (Reply 12):
Maybe these ideas are just wishful thinking, but I'd be curious to see what the rest of you think.

I have a couple more thoughts on the topic. From the other thread, here is what was (apparently) applied for:

Quote:
DL has applied for daily seasonal SAN-SJD.

The fact that DL is planning on running SAN-SJD seasonally might be an important factor. Considering that neither AS nor NK seem to consider the route seasonal - except for a few months with slightly reduced frequency -- could DL's plans imply that perhaps they will be going for, as mentioned, SJD business from other points beyond SAN? DL, I believe, has already announced nonstop service from SEA to Cabo this winter so SEA-SAN-SJD seems an unlikely strategy.

Or could it be that DL wanted to grab the "final" US-carrier authorization for the route before someone else did? Like WN perhaps?

I would love to agree with you, Lindy', that perhaps DL is going to start some sort of growth spurt in SAN. I was hopeful for this when DL last added the infamous and very short-lived SAN-HNL flight a few years ago, and of course nothing ever came of that. DL, just like UA and AA, has absolutely no p-2-p service from Lindbergh at this point so if this SJD-route does begin, it COULD be a sign of things to come...

I've thought for a long time that service from SAN to Mexico by US cx (as opposed to what AM and Y4 have offered) to routes like GDL, MEX and MZT, would do well. I think AS is proof of that, as is NK. I've wondered if AS would at some point try GDL or MEX and I would love to see NK maybe try SAN-TLC. And who knows what WN might have in mind? Perhaps DL is now thinking along these lines as well...

bb


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8685 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
I would love to see NK maybe try SAN-TLC

IIRC, I do believe that Y4 has at the DOT applied for and received the authority to fly nonstop SAN-TLC, and this application happened simultaneously as Y4 applied for same DEN-TLC nonstop authority and had it approved. Y4 also applied for GDL-DEN and CUU-DEN a while ago (around the same time of TLC-DEN/SAN, or maybe just a few days afterwards), and after about 6 months, finally announced a couple of weeks ago that both DEN routes would be starting 1X weekly this July. So...... this is encouraging with at least some progress. And somehow (anyone feel free to correct here if I'm mistaken) Y4 received an additional bird into their fleet which sparked the DEN routes to happen.

Now.... for both SAN and DEN TLC authorities to emerge into flight realities may be dependent upon Y4 receiving some additional birds into their fleet, which again, IIRC, one or two more birds may be on their way here. So..... as Y4 gets these birds, will they finally fill some more of these presently approved but not yet served U.S. authorities, and get both SAN and DEN having nonstops to TLC? I personally think that when fleet is situated for it, then both SAN and DEN will see these TLC routes happen, even if it is just 1X weekly at the start.

So..... just wanting to be encouraging here. Since Y4 actually did make some hay here at DEN (and sorta knocked my socks of with that, my thinking was mostly that these authorities would just be squatted on indefinitely) maybe they will with SAN as well, since I think that TLC-SAN would be a good market. I would also think that with very low frequencies to initiate (1X - 2X weekly) that Y4 wouldn't have any problem filling these planes with premium O&D, both with SAN and DEN.

 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 14):
So..... just wanting to be encouraging here.

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject, point2'.

I don't know if Y4's fleet is so tight that they couldn't have come up with a couple of once-a-week flights (such as the new DEN ones) without needing new metal in-house. They do seem to operate a lot of flights that are sub-daily. But you may be right.

One thing that I've wondered about regarding SAN (and DEN) is whether Volaris would keep MEX service or replace it with TLC? From the US, I'm not sure if MEX and TLC would be considered separate markets or not? If they are not separate, there seems no reason why they wouldn't have already simply substituted a couple of TLC-SAN flights for some MEX-SAN frequency. In other words, would Y4 eventually have flights from SAN and DEN to BOTH TLC and MEX?

bb


User currently offlinegmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8623 times:

In regards to AS and SAN, on page 8 of AS's new sustainability report (http://www.alaskaair.com/~/media/Files/PDF/CSR/Sustainability-Report_2013.pdf) Alaska says it operates from its hubs in Anchorage, Los Angeles, Portland, San Diego, and Seattle.

This is the first time I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub. Has any one seen that before, or is it new?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

Quoting gmcc (Reply 16):
In regards to AS and SAN, on page 8 of AS's new sustainability report, Alaska says it operates from its hubs in Anchorage, Los Angeles, Portland, San Diego, and Seattle.
This is the first time I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub. Has any one seen that before, or is it new?

Wow! What a great find, gm'! (I'm unable to download the report to actually see it for myself...)

Yes, to the best of my knowledge, this is the first sighting of any sort of station status upgrade seen or heard regarding SAN; I've never even seen us mentioned officially as a key or focus city before.

If this isn't some sort of error, I see it as great and very welcome news - the first good news in a while from the folks at AAG (regarding SAN.)

Thanks for sharing this with us!

bb


User currently offlinegmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

SANFan, that was the direct link to the PDF report all 93 pages of it. You might be be able to get to the report from this link. http://www.alaskaair.com/content/abo...us/sustainability/our-mission.aspx

Assuming someone was not over zealous in the report, this sounds like a good question for the first quarter conference call coming up.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8564 times:

Quoting gmcc (Reply 18):
SANFan, that was the direct link to the PDF report all 93 pages of it. You might be be able to get to the report from this link. http://www.alaskaair.com/content/abo...us/sustainability/our-mission.aspx

Thanks, I finally got it open; my computer was just a bit constipated getting the whole .pdf to open! I've already screenshot page 8 and saved the entire document.

But well worth the wait! Like I said before, wow! What a lovely sight to see -- SAN officially listed as a HUB in an Alaska publication!

Quoting gmcc (Reply 18):
Assuming someone was not over zealous in the report, this sounds like a good question for the first quarter conference call coming up.

I'm sure you're right that it WILL be asked and I think I know who will ask it. (There's one fellow who invariably asks something about SAN.) And yes, let's hope it was NOT a mistake!

In a related note, I saw in a press release a few days ago about AS starting an online self-tagging (baggage) option, that 3 routes from SEA were selected for the roll-out of the new service: ANC, JNU and SAN. Here's the link if anyone's interested:
http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20140328_075422.asp

Very nice to see all this coming from AS!

bb


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8528 times:
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Quoting gmcc (Reply 16):
This is the first time I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub. Has any one seen that before, or is it new?

Maybe this is finally a response from AS regarding DL and WN making moves against them?
If that's the case, you can be sure SAN will be back in WN's top-ten. I was also looking again
at DL's SAN-SJD flight, it's supposed to be seasonal,but operated by a 738. (that sure beats a
regional jet to SJD!) But I have a bad feeling this flight is not going to last long. DL should be
looking at YVR from SAN instead of SJD.

Quoting lindy field (Reply 12):
Another thought is that perhaps DL sees an opportunity to expand in SAN as other legacy airlines (UA & AA, in particular) seem to be scaling back their operations.

I hope this is the case. I was kind of hoping UA would bring back the widebodies since they moved
to T-2W, with gates that can handle widebodies. I would love to see an occasional UA 763, instead of
all the usual A320s,'A319s,and 737s.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8526 times:

Quoting gmcc (Reply 16):
I have seen SAN referred to as a Hub
Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
SAN officially listed as a HUB in an Alaska publication!

Really moving up in the world over there at SAN, eh? First BA and LHR, then those long awaited Florida nonstops, and the JL and NRT, then some added Mexico......... and now a HUB....... pretty good for an airport with a total of one runway....

Quoting SANFan (Reply 15):
One thing that I've wondered about regarding SAN (and DEN) is whether Volaris would keep MEX service or replace it with TLC? From the US, I'm not sure if MEX and TLC would be considered separate markets or not? If they are not separate, there seems no reason why they wouldn't have already simply substituted a couple of TLC-SAN flights for some MEX-SAN frequency. In other words, would Y4 eventually have flights from SAN and DEN to BOTH TLC and MEX?

That's a pretty good question....... from what I can gather here, LAS and SAT are the only two stations that have nonstops to both MEX and TLC, and not even from the same carrier. So what Y4 would do here is a big guess on my part, since Y4 already had both MEX-SAN/DEN when they applied for TLC, so I would guess that TLC would be in addition to...... I suppose that a 1X or 2X weekly could be done, since Y4 already has ops with all stations involved.

 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8508 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
pretty good for an airport with a total of one runway....

Dang right ... and a total airport size of 661 acres!

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
So what Y4 would do here is a big guess on my part, since Y4 already had both MEX-SAN/DEN when they applied for TLC,

If I 'member correctly, didn't Y4 switch OAK from one airport to the other a year or two ago? (I think it was TLC to MEX.)

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
and now a HUB.......

I shouldn't be taking this so seriously (and importantly) but it if it proves to be a true reflection of AAG's viewpoint, I can't help but feel terrific about their future here -- and SAN's!

Of course we all know that it won't be truly official until AS's Wikipedia page is updated!  
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 20):
I was also looking again at DL's SAN-SJD flight, it's supposed to be seasonal but operated by a 738. (that sure beats a regional jet to SJD!)

Yeah, the fact that it's a mainline a/c might be a clue to what's going on too. But I still don't know what that is. (I think DL already has nonstop service from all it's hubs to Cabo so where else would DL be getting traffic to connect to this SAN-SJD service?)

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 20):
But I have a bad feeling this flight is not going to last long. DL should be looking at YVR from SAN instead of SJD

You're remembering the HNL-service too, eh L-Man? LOL. So maybe DL will do YVR-SAN-SJD -- now THAT would be fantastic!!!!

bb


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8498 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):
Dang right ... and a total airport size of 661 acres!

Wow, really..... I think that's almost the size of DEN's terminal that sits on some 34,560 total acres of land (lol)........

 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8484 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 23):
Wow, really..... I think that's almost the size of DEN's terminal that sits on some 34,560 total acres of land (lol)........

Yep, but we need to also keep in mind that this tiny airport is only about 2 miles from downtown Sandy Eggo (and that's probably one of the reasons it's still there!)

bb


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8573 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):
You're remembering the HNL-service too, eh L-Man?

That debacle did cross my mind!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):
maybe DL will do YVR-SAN-SJD -- now THAT would be fantastic!!!!

That would be fantastic,and thinking outside the box too!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 24):
we need to also keep in mind that this tiny airport is only about 2 miles from downtown Sandy Eggo (and that's probably one of the reasons it's still there!)

And it has one of the most dramatic views of downtown (from the plane) when coming in for a night landing,
and remember, SAN is a historical landmark too!  



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User currently offlinegmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8565 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):
Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
and now a HUB.......

I shouldn't be taking this so seriously (and importantly) but it if it proves to be a true reflection of AAG's viewpoint, I can't help but feel terrific about their future here -- and SAN's!

Further speculating on the AS HUB theme. the one thing that all the other hubs have that SAN does not have is a Board Room. Maybe there is a Board Room in SAN future. AS might even be willing to run a shuttle service between LAX and SAN on Q's like SEA/GEG.   


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

Quoting gmcc (Reply 26):
Further speculating on the AS HUB theme. the one thing that all the other hubs have that SAN does not have is a Board Room. Maybe there is a Board Room in SAN future.

I was going to mention this (along with number of gates at SAN, etc.) but every time I've brought up the subject of a Board Room (in the old UA Club space in T1W), it's been met with either complete disinterest or total silence. Therefore, even though your point is quite valid, I've given up on that speculation.

(I have no idea if that space, the former UA Club, is still sitting empty or if maybe it's been turned into some sort of crew lounge or op's space for AS...)

bb


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8484 times:
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I brought up this possibility in another thread a while back. Maybe AS
is going to wait and see what the final plans are with T-1 before moving
ahead with a Board Room? I'm just speculating.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 27):
(I have no idea if that space, the former UA Club, is still sitting empty or if maybe it's been turned into some sort of crew lounge or op's space for AS...)

Has anyone been down there recently?Maybe there's a Board Room under construction?



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User currently online777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Speaking of land size, what are they building next to Landmark? I sadly fly more out of CRQ now so last week was my first time in a couple months to see SAN.

User currently offlineHayseuss From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8142 times:
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Quoting 777ord (Reply 29):

They are building a centralized rental car facility. We've needed one for years IMO.


User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

2 SPA B732's flew in from TUS this morning:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20140406/1415Z/KTUS/KSAN

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20140406/1515Z/KTUS/KSAN

SPA712 is currently en route at the time of this posting. They are each scheduled to depart for BIF (Fort Bliss, TX) before noon PDT. Can anyone get regs on them? I won't be able to get close enough to get the registrations.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 892 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7966 times:
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Quoting gmcc (Reply 16):
Alaska says it operates from its hubs in Anchorage, Los Angeles, Portland, San Diego, and Seattle.

Perhaps they've confused "Hubs" with "Flight Attendant Bases"? Love following this thread, btw!

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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 31):

Nevermind, I just found out SPA only has 2 a/c in their fleet, 703S and 712S, hence the flight numbers.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 34, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7744 times:

About a month ago, bw' provided a glimpse at some of the late Spring and early Summer changes coming up at SAN (from both AA and DL.) It looks like AA's summer sked (eff 6/11/14) is now pretty well set and there are some interesting things to share.
>For the first time in quite a while, AA will be increasing service in a couple of markets: ORD will increase to 5 daily flights for the summer and DFW will be up to 10x daily r/t!
>Included in those 10 trips to Dallas, (for those 757-lovers out there, and you know who you are...) 3 will be on 757s! (And 2 will be 738s and the rest will be MD80s.)
>They are increasing O'Hare flights without benefit of a red-eye. It's been years since AA has offered a night flight out of SAN (except of course for the 'new' MIA departure.)
>There will apparently be no additional JFK flight this summer (as well as no u/g to the 767.) This I continue to find quite interesting.
>The Eagle skeds to LAX are also changing quite a bit: all service will be OO CRJs (no CR7s) and the earliest flight from SAN to LA will be at 8:45am and the latest s/b flt will arrive in SAN at 7:45pm! This seems like major changes to the whole operation, including maybe concentration on int'l connectivity rather than domestic?

So overall, AA will be increasing mainline flying this summer while actually offering fewer seats to LA. I don't know yet what changes we may see in US skeds...

Well, except that there will be no nonstop to DCA any more, thank you so very much American...

bb


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7648 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):
AA will be increasing mainline flying this summer while actually offering fewer seats to LA

That's a little strange, considering AA wants to turn (that big airline magnet called LAX) into
a Pacific gateway. You would think they would be like Delta at SEA by offering more regional
jets for connections.



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Reply 36, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7598 times:
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Hi bb,

Thanks for the AA update, and indeed, I'm glad to see some AA 757s regularly scheduled. But I find the SAN-LAX service info more interesting. I find myself wondering if product differentiation pays any kind of significant dividends in this market, since we have DL using CR7s, CR9s, and E-175s in the market, while AA is going all CR2 and UA has a mix of EMB-120s, CR2s, and CR7s. Does Delta reap any benefits from using more comfortable aircraft or have they simply given themselves a greater challenge in having to fill larger aircraft? Do you think United or AA will need to respond to Delta to stay competitive in the market?

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 37, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Well, one important thing about this SAN-LAX situation is that there is very little local (O&D) traffic -- seems it's usually about 90 pax/day total which makes it about, what, 1.5 pax per flight -- so the majority of pax are online connections.

In other words, I don't see the market as very competitive really. I think UA, AA and DL simply fly the capacity that they can fill daily for their own flights, as well as for their partners.

In the case of AA, since they've added more nonstops from SAN to ORD, DFW (and the relatively new MIA flight), their plan may be to route domestic pax over those connecting points rather than via LA. Perhaps that would mean the majority of the pax that Eagle flies from SAN to LAX are connecting to the growing list of int'l departures (plus of course Mexico and Hawaii) out of LA. (As I mentioned earlier, the timing of the new skeds would seem to bear this theory out.)

That's my thinking anyway.

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 38, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

I know that most of us had given up on PR's interest in serving SAN back in 2008 but I do think, especially for those newer SAN Fans, the subject should be opened up in this thread for at least a bit of discussion.

Here's the link to the latest news on that front: http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16114

Essentially, as is being discussed on 2 other threads on A.net, the Philippines has been reinstated to CAT I by our FAA so US expansion may now be taken on by the Philippine's air carriers, including PAL.

PR had actually filed with the DOT for MNL-(YVR)-SAN service on January 10, 2008 (3x weekly service to begin later in 2008); a matter of days later, the FAA downgraded the Philippines to CAT II. This was at a time when PR flew 4-5x weekly from MNL to LAS via YVR; this service has subsequently been dropped and YVR is now tied in with MNL-YYZ service.

So the main questions now, for me at least, are: (1) is PR still interested in serving SAN? (2) is their application from 2008 automatically re-activated now? (3) does PR have the necessary (Canadian) authority to still fly MNL-YVR-SAN, or can/would they serve SAN with a different routing, including any nonstop legs?

This could get very exciting for us, or SAN might be the farthest thing from PR's minds as they prepare for upcoming US service changes/increases. But I'm sure there must be some thoughts from others on the subject so please chime in. (And that certainly includes you, L-Man!)

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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7365 times:
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I'm simply taking a guarded position on this. (A believe it when I see it stance.)
I thought our chances for PR dimmed when they dropped LAS-YVR-MNL. PR
sure would have SAN-YVR all to themselves while carrying pax across the Pacific to
MNL. Since no airline has jumped on SAN-YVR as of yet, this would be the perfect
opportunity for PR to jump in. Since PR would be carrying pax between SAN-YVR, I
don't think it would affect JL's SAN-NRT flight much at all. Do your work SDIA!



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

Just as an FYI here, Y4 has petitioned the DOT to renew its SAN-MEX/GLD routes.

http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf89/884.pdf

It seems that Y4 is pretty consistent with the SAN-MEX route, now at 4X weekly. However, I don't currently see any Y4 flights that SAN-GDL, but if Y4 is petitioning for the renewal, it must intend to fly the route, even if seasonal. Currently IIRC, there is no competition either SAN-MEX/GLD.

Also hanging around since 10/24/13 is the approval of Y4 to fly TLC-SAN/DEN/MCO, which hasn't gotten around to being started.

http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf88/926.pdf

Maybe these too can actually see flights happen one day?

 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 41, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7314 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 39):
Do your work SDIA!

I posted on one of the other threads that it appears that the SAN Route Development team is indeed still interested in landing PR here.

Here's a copy of part of the current SAN Int'l Incentive Program info.:
INTERNATIONAL INCENTIVE PROGRAM TARGET LIST EFFECTIVE DATE: FEBRUARY 2012
Market Area...Qualifying Airports
ASIA.............. Any airport in the Republic of the Philippines
EUROPE........None
C AMERICA...Any airport in Central America
S AMERICA...Any airport in South America
OCEANIA.......Any airport in Oceania

Note that ASIA is limited to the Philippines, since JL is still earning their incentives (and will continue to do so through the end of this year.) IOW, it looks like SDIA has hung out the "Welcome" sign very clearly for PAL! (And probably in many more ways than this. In fact, I bet Hampton Brown is making a lot of phone calls to Manila today!)

We'll just have to wait and see if PR is still interested in our fair city.

Quoting point2point (Reply 40):
Just as an FYI here, Y4 has petitioned the DOT to renew its SAN-MEX/GLD routes.

Thanks for the update point'; that's good news. GDL continues to confuse me but I guess Y4 still wants to serve it... at some level of service.

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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4936 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 38):
This could get very exciting for us, or SAN might be the farthest thing from PR's minds as they prepare for upcoming US service changes/increases. But I'm sure there must be some thoughts from others on the subject so please chime in.

With the biggest (Cat 2) out of the way, two hurdles remain. As pointed out elsewhere, the data don't seem to support the idea. Could be that a regular service would help the numbers rise to a sustainable level...but something more concrete is needed to launch it.


Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 39):
I thought our chances for PR dimmed when they dropped LAS-YVR-MNL. PR sure would have SAN-YVR all to themselves while carrying pax across the Pacific to MNL. Since no airline has jumped on SAN-YVR as of yet, this would be the perfect opportunity for PR to jump in.

Since the attractions of LAS were not enough to keep the tag on, apparently the route would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic for decent load factors to survive. Hopefully, the elimination of the hassle of the drive up to LAX would get more than seasonal VFR traffic or a pricier nonstop (though counter intuitive) might be called for.

Bringing us to the second question of a suitable aircraft. While there are rumblings that PR's replacement fleet makeup has already been decided and that four A359s are rumored for the initial batch of long haul aircraft, that is four years away and destined for Europe.....

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And though an A359 could probably handle SAN and v.v. (with more paying bodies to justify a nonstop) I also think it's a bit too much of an aircraft for it...initially, at least.

Of course, LAX might also want to keep SoCal MNL traffic there and dedicating a different airframe for just this route may not be very advisable. But given MNL is a little farther, is JL able to fly their 787 over SAN terrain at full payload to NRT?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 41):
We'll just have to wait and see if PR is still interested in our fair city.

Then we need to divine where MNL-(XXX)-SAN hangs on PR's priority pole.   



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7250 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):
>Included in those 10 trips to Dallas, (for those 757-lovers out there, and you know who you are...) 3 will be on 757s! (And 2 will be 738s and the rest will be MD80s.)

Although only for a month (May 8 to June 10), a daily 763 will operate the route between DFW and SAN.

AA1086 DFW 08:55 SAN 09:55 763 D
AA1086 SAN 10:55 DFW 15:50 763 D


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 44, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Devilfish (Reply 42):
But given MNL is a little farther, is JL able to fly their 787 over SAN terrain at full payload to NRT?

AFAIK, JL takes no weight penalties between Lindbergh and Narita. And apparently the daily 787 is doing well, leading me to assume the flights are pretty full.

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject of PR and SAN, Devil'. As I've said many times, the fact that PR had actually applied for SAN-service in 2008 should IMO have some bearing on the discussion; not terribly important, but it is a fact that circumstances (and traffic, I would suppose) led PR at that time to at least seek the authority to start service at SAN.

I do understand that those circumstances and many other factors will change over a 6-year period, but it's at least worth wondering about the possibility. It is certainly a long shot.

Quoting realsim (Reply 43):
Although only for a month (May 8 to June 10), a daily 763 will operate the route between DFW and SAN.

Yes, thanks for the reminder. This interesting upgrade was reported in the previous thread.

bb


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 42):
With the biggest (Cat 2) out of the way, two hurdles remain. As pointed out elsewhere, the data don't seem to support the idea. Could be that a regular service would help the numbers rise to a sustainable level...but something more concrete is needed to launch it.

This is surprising given the huge Filipino population here in San Diego. I recently saw a travel show on some of the islands of the Philippines. The beaches were stunning. Perhaps if the airline marketed some vacation packages, they'd get more folks interested - other than those flying back to visit family. I'm certainly looking into a trip.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Quoting 777ord (Reply 29):
Speaking of land size, what are they building next to Landmark?
Quoting Hayseuss (Reply 30):
They are building a centralized rental car facility.

I think the tall structures going up are airline hangers or some sort of facility for the cargo planes that hang out at that end of the airport. The multitude of posts going up is the multilevel rental facility referred to my Hayseuss.

So once the rental facility opens, will all the rental car agencies located all over the place move into the facility or will they still operate independently?


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

What's up with BA 272 this evening? Flight aware lists TWO 772s leaving tonight - BA272 and BA 272A! Was last night's flight canceled?

Somebody better get over there and get some shots if we have two 772s boarding at the same time!


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 48, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6816 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 45):
I recently saw a travel show on some of the islands of the Philippines. The beaches were stunning

Yeah, I think Survivor is also getting a lot of people to notice the beauty in that part of the world. Haven't the last 3 or 4 seasons of the show taken place in the Philippines?

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 47):
What's up with BA 272 this evening? Flight aware lists TWO 772s leaving tonight - BA272 and BA 272A! Was last night's flight canceled?

I would guess it was one of those famous glitches on F/A. I checked BA's Flight Status last night and it only showed one flight from SAN to LHR, 272. (Of course if there was a second one, it might've been ferried home empty.) I also noticed just yesterday that F/A didn't show any a history of ANY flight BAW272 departing for SAN for about the last few days of March, or the first 11 days of April... And BAW273 has been listed for every day.   

(Hey JA', good to see you here on this thread.)

bb


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Reply 49, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 47):
Somebody better get over there and get some shots if we have two 772s boarding at the same time!

I'm not sure our tiny airport with 3 international gates can handle two 777's at the same time   ??? I could be wrong.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 50, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting san88 (Reply 49):
I'm not sure our tiny airport with 3 international gates can handle two 777's at the same time???

Good point, san'. I'm not sure if gates 20/21 and 22 could each handle a T7 at the same time. And AFAIK, there are no mobile lounges on property yet.

However, there would be no problem with simultaneous boarding and departing since they could just park one of the Big Birds over in the new (Green Build) part of T2. IOW, the FIS gates would not be needed for departing international flights. For 2 arrivals at the same time, it might be a bit more challenging!

What to do with multiple T7s... oh to have such problems on a regular basis at SAN!   

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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 44):
AFAIK, JL takes no weight penalties between Lindbergh and Narita.

The charts say about a 20k penalty. So it can carry about as much as a 777-200ER could. Roughly 75k in payload depending on the winds. Of course in a 777-200ER you'd lose your ... if you did it for too long.

Quoting san88 (Reply 49):
I'm not sure our tiny airport with 3 international gates can handle two 777's at the same time ??? I could be wrong.

I'm pretty sure its been done a couple of times.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4936 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 45):

Sorry for the late reply - there was a bad moon rising and I got sidetracked    .

Firstly, the huge community you were referring to are mostly pensioners and Navy retirees with not a lot of disposable incomes. The more affluent are second/third/fourth generation members with little or no interest to visit, or tied down with work. Among the younger set, only those born in the old country are more eager.

Second, there are a lot of equally (if not more) stunning leisure destinations just south of the border. Granted your dollar could go a longer way here...but minus the novelty and adventure - convenience wins out.

Lastly but perhaps most important, PR's latest full fiscal year results dictate that they develop the best money-making routes first - before embarking on risky endeavors - which will likely be a long while yet. Though everyone will surely welcome a less stressful way into the city than via I-5 or I-91.



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 52):

If you add PAL to the SAN-Asia market, one will live and one will die. JAL has a better product and offers far superior reach in terms of a network than PAL for the San Diego region. The problem is sufficient number seat fillers will jump to PAL causing the revenue model to fall apart for JAL leaving San Diego with a subpar Asian carrier with poor connective flow. Maybe good for PAL, but it would pretty much suck for anyone who wants to fly to anywhere else in Asia.


User currently offlineGRUIAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 53):

While I agree PAL service would impact JAL, only really on the days that PAL would operate. I could only see PAL operating 2-3 weekly frequencies to SAN. This would be to capture the market currently driving and taking PR bus to LAX plus eat into the Other Asian carrier market share to RP via LAX. Most of the traffic JAL carries to the Philippines is VFR in economy - not sure they would miss it.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 55, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Just thought I'd report that the February and March pax traffic figures for SAN were (finally) released today.
> February total pax at Lindbergh were up 5.5%;
> March total was up 6.8%! Year-to-date (for the first quarter of 2014) saw pax traffic up 5.4% Wow!
> Int'l pax at SAN thru March have increased by 32% over the same period in 2013;
> WN pax total for the first quarter of the year is up almost 4% and their share of SAN's total pax is over 36%.
> AS is carrying right around 10% of the pax traffic at Lindbergh Field now;
> and int'l (enplaned) cargo continues to increase - Feb was up almost 250% and Mar increased y-o-y almost 200%!

Overall, the numbers all look very impressive and hopefully 2014 will be a great year of growth at SAN.

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 56, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

FYI, there's news about the Cross-Border/SAN-TIJ facility and I started a thread on it if anyone has anything to say. (Or, naturally, feel free to talk about your concerns or praise here.)

I will say that I'm kind of surprised that it has gotten to the point of starting construction (possibly next month!) I don't really feel that it will be a positive in any way for existing or future Mexico service at Lindbergh Field but who knows?

The fact is, it looks like it WILL happen so we'll just have to wait and see how it impacts things.

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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

I think N2767, a Google 767-200 in VIP config, is parked over by the tower right now. I just saw it while driving by on the highway.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 58, posted (7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

Spirit has just announced new service between SAN and IAH starting Sept 3; the flights will continue beyond Texas serving FLL as well.

As usual, we seem to luck out with pretty nice times from Spirit, great in fact, for the entire route of the flights. (And notice the flight numbers!)

Dep SAN: 8:00am Flt 858 Dly
Arrv IAH: 1:20pm
Dep IAH: 2:00pm
Arrv FLL: 5:23pm

Dep FLL: 6:30pm Flt 619 Dly
Arrv IAH: 8:18pm
Dep IAH: 9:05pm
Arr SAN: 10:30pm

SAN will get another RON in the deal as well!

As iI posted recently, it's been a dry spell for NK here in SAN and it's great to see another departure, and a new route!

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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 59, posted (7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5783 times:
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Go Spirit! It looks like they will be competing with UA on the SAN-IAH route.
It seems like NK is doing well competing against AA on the SAN-DFW route too! I
wonder if NK will eventually move into Florida nonstop to compete with AA and AS?

In Lindbergh related news, I took a drive down by the airport yesterday and I noticed the
construction of the rental car facility and the new FBO. There's four tall heavy-duty cranes
in that area. I guess the rental car facility is going to be taller than I thought! They also have
a new mural on the side of the commuter terminal. (No more Charles Lindbergh.) The only
thing I could make out was an airplane propeller and a seaplane.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 60, posted (7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

I was thinking about NK and no matter what anyone says about the experience of flying on the carrier, it has to be recognized that the airline does offer a choice from the high-priced legacy cx.

From SAN, every route that NK flies -- PDX, LAS, SJD, DFW and IAH -- has its only competition at the hands of Spirit. That's 5 markets out of SAN that currently offer a choice of airlines for the consumer. And I think that is a good thing.

Growth at our airport is many-faceted but seeing competition appear on more and more single-carrier routes is, to me, just as important as new routes with no nonstop service -- domestic or int'l -- or new carriers coming to town.

Spirit has grown slowly here, but carefully and smartly. (Kind of like that other airline based in Seattle.) And despite what a lot of people expected to see, NK has not back-slid at all here, the only retraction being SAN-LAS which went from 3x daily r/t to 2. All their routes here are year-round, and pretty much daily. It seems to me that Spirit has a nice solid operation going here and I'm glad to see that.

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Reply 61, posted (7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5603 times:
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The thing that really impressed me about Spirit is that they jumped on the SAN-SJD
route rather quickly. They didn't seem to wait around like the other airlines do before
starting an international route.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 60):
Spirit has grown slowly here, but carefully and smartly. (Kind of like that other airline based in Seattle.)

Are you talking about that airline that has the Eskimo?  



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Reply 62, posted (7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5592 times:
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Hi all,

I absolutely agree that healthy competition is always welcome on routes to/from SAN. I am a little surprised that Spirit flies all these routes at just once daily. Is that part of their normal business plan or just a bit of a fluke in the San Diego market?

I had a SAN history question that one of you might be able to help me with. I was trying to remember the dates of ATA's service in SAN, as well as the destinations served, frequency, and equipment used. It would have been in the late 1990s or maybe just after year 2000, if my memory serves correctly.

Thanks and regards,

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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5528 times:
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I think I remember ATA serving SAN about the mid-to late 90s. One of the destinations was HNL.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Quoting lindy field (Reply 62):
I was trying to remember the dates of ATA's service in SAN, as well as the destinations served, frequency, and equipment used. It would have been in the late 1990s or maybe just after year 2000, if my memory serves correctly

Wow, you got me Lindy'. I have absolutely no recollection of ATA EVER serving SAN, other than a few charters that likely took place. L-Man seems to remember some so I'll surrender to his superior memory!

But I'll dig around a little and see if I can turn anything up. (Especially if I can get my hands on the Port Logs of that time period...)

Quoting lindy field (Reply 62):
I am a little surprised that Spirit flies all these routes at just once daily.

LAS is served twice daily but for, I would estimate, the majority of NK's smaller, non-focus stations, one flight a day IS fairly typical. And in many cases, due the airline's solid a/c utilization, many flights arr/dep at horrible hours, like 2-3am! Because of our curfew at Lindbergh, we haven't ever seen any of those scheduled times. (That's one reason I made my comment about how beautiful the new IAH times are!)

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User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5384 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 64):
I have absolutely no recollection of ATA EVER serving SAN

ATA did serve SAN for a short time during the 90s (1996?) I remember them starting up
service here shortly after BA started their second try here. (When BA flew those DC-10s to
LGW via PHX.) ATA at the time was flying 757s to HNL.



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Reply 66, posted (7 months 7 hours ago) and read 5264 times:
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Sorry for the delay in getting back on this. To expand further on what I remember about ATA's service to SAN, it was around the time that they were flying the palm tree livery, but some of their aircraft were still in the older gold and blue colors. My memory is of three flights daily, a mix of 727s and 757s, to three different destinations. I believe that MDW and maybe LAS were in the mix. Indianapolis also, perhaps?

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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Just saw the first 753 for the summer pop up on FA. It is DL833 on Friday. They should start coming from ATL in about a month, from DTW during May only (last I saw the timetables on delta.com).

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Reply 68, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Today's rare reverse operations at SAN due to winds on hot and sunny day. Go down and watch runway 9 departures  

Update *****Sitting at my secret spot waiting for JAL to takeoff but hearing over the the scanner as of 2pm, they're was an issue with SoCAL departures or something with departures. No planes are taking off until the problem is fixed and planes are returning to the gate.

[Edited 2014-04-30 14:11:28]


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Reply 69, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5050 times:
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Quoting san88 (Reply 68):
Today's rare reverse operations at SAN due to winds on hot and sunny day. Go down and watch runway 9 departures

I'm wondering if the JAL 787 did a reverse takeoff? It's been really windy all day today.



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

It looks like WJ1565 is burning fuel right now so it can come back. It seems to be holding right now at FL100.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/W...5/history/20140430/2025Z/KSAN/CYYC

[Edited 2014-04-30 14:36:33]

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Reply 71, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

I'm wondering if the JAL 787 did a reverse takeoff? It's been really windy all day today.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 69):

JAL has not pushed the gate, SAN departures delay. I'm waiting to see what happens , but dam it's HOT out   



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User currently offlinesan88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 69):
I'm wondering if the JAL 787 did a reverse takeoff?

I'm sad to report she took off from 27    A few fascinating observations today, two SWA planes were pushed back and headed to runway 9 for takeoff. In the meantime JAL 65 was pushing back towards runway 27 which caused a traffic jam, the SWA planes had to back-taxi onto the runway and go around her.

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 70):
It looks like WJ1565 is burning fuel right now so it can come back.

WJ1565 came back and landed on 9, about 20 minutes later SAN allowed for departures. But the kicker was the exchanged between the pilot and controller on SoCal departure hand off.                     

Woman Controller: "West Jet 1565 contact SoCal Dep, have a nice day"
WJ1565: "Stay Classy San Diego"
Woman Controller: "Thanks for stopping by"

listen to the link below   Anchorman fans will appreciate it

https://sites.google.com/site/csclafani/SANATC30APR14.mp3?attredirects=0

[Edited 2014-04-30 18:05:02]


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User currently offlinewashingtonflyer From Bouvet Island, joined Sep 2013, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

You missed the "eh" by the controller. Hehehehehe...

User currently offlinehawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 74, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

I was at Stone Liberty Station yesterday while the planes were landing on 9. Great views from the patio there. I saw JAL depart before I got there and it did indeed go off 27. BA come in on 9, and not too much later departures started going off 27 again. Did see a WN with split scimitar winglets landing on 9.

User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

They opened up phase one of Airspace Lounge yesterday (http://www.airspacelounge.com) for seating and self-serve snacks/coffee. It is the one that is using the old AA space and will be co-branded as an AA Admirals Club. They said all of the food and alcohol is being dispensed on the old AA side for now.

After using it I think it's going to be the nicest lounge in the airport when phase 2 comes in; and that is saying something because the new UA and DL lounges are good too.

They did an exceptional job keeping the view unobstructed yet adding a lot of seating. And that bar looks pretty sweet. They showed me what-will-be the Airspace food/drink menu and the glassware, etc. and while it may not be as high end as the Centurion Lounge in LAS....it is more than a few notches above anything SAN lounges have seen so far. I've been to the other Airspace Lounges and this one has a similar feel to the others, but this is the biggest so far.

Pretty impressive. Nice job by the airport ending up with a higher-end brand like Airspace.


User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

Just saw on DL flight schedules that they will have the 752 on SAN-JFK for at least the start of May, maybe longer. This looks like good news for the route.

User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 77, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4727 times:
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Speaking of Delta, I also see that the afternoon flight has been upgraded from a MD-90 to 739, and the 753 is on the DTW run today as reported earlier. Nice to see the summer season upgrades.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 78, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Quoting Sligo (Reply 75):
It is the one that is using the old AA space and will be co-branded as an AA Admirals Club.

Very interesting Sligo -- thanks for the update.

Only problem is I'm very confused now. I thought there was a real-live Admiral's Club being built somewhere on the gate concourse of T2E. And a (I thought) reliable source had said last year that the situation had changed and there WAS going to be a brand new Admiral's Club (only) built in SAN instead of the "common-use" lounge that had been planned..

Oh well. It sounds nice, whatever it is, and I guess there will be some sort of beautiful new lounge/club for all those OneWorld folks (including AA?) flying internationally from SAN these days.

Oh, one other thing. Our leadership at SDIA continues on their usual path of ignoring new route announcements; I notice that there still has been no comment or pr by the airport about the new Houston route announced by Spirit recently. In fact, I notice that on the SAN.org home page, in the panel display, there is now nothing about any new routes. But there's plenty of self-promotion for the airport. I really don't understand it...

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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 78):
Oh, one other thing. Our leadership at SDIA continues on their usual path of ignoring new route announcements; I notice that there still has been no comment or pr by the airport about the new Houston route announced by Spirit recently. In fact, I notice that on the SAN.org home page, in the panel display, there is now nothing about any new routes. But there's plenty of self-promotion for the airport. I really don't understand it...


You complain about this a lot on here every time there is an airline announcement for SAN and its totally misplaced. Airlines are a private enterprise. If they wanted an airport to make a big deal about a new service announcement they'd coordinate it. If they don't, then they won't.

Its been my experience working with airports and airlines for the better part of 20 years that very little is said by an airport without airline initiation because its not the airports place to speak for an airline. Some airlines don't even like a launch event because they view it as a major waste of airport revenues.

Look at it this way. If an airport gets a new tenant like a new coffee shop, then you would expect them to announce the new tenant (self promotion). You wouldn't however expect them to send out a press release every time that coffee shop adds a new product (tenant promotion). Same thing applies here. That may not be the way you feel it should be, but it is absolutely the way airlines and airports interact when it comes to this issue of new service. The message is entirely coordinated and managed by the airline tenant, not the airport.

[Edited 2014-05-02 13:43:05]

User currently offlinehawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 80, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Article posted yesterday on the U-T's web site talks about the airport and the trolley. Also touches on the CONRAC, Grand Central Station, and what to do about Terminal 1.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...h-field-trolley-airport-san-diego/


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 81, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 79):
That may not be the way you feel it should be, but it is absolutely the way airlines and airports interact when it comes to this issue of new service.

We’ll just have to disagree. I feel that an airport has a responsibility and is in a perfect position to help promote any expansion and growth by its major tenants, the airlines. After all, how else does the airport expect to get more and more people to spend more money for parking, shopping, eating and drinking at all these new expensive offerings at SAN? They make sure the community (and visitors) are aware when something new is available in the way of flights which will undoubtedly sell more tickets on those airlines and bring more pax to the airport. Promotion of new destinations, new competition, new airlines and even increased capacity certainly benefits the airport in the long run.

I just took a look at the airport websites for SEA, MSY, PHX, DEN, PDX, SJC, TYS and all had news releases of new routes announced by their tenants and/or promotional displays of the same information. That’s what I expect to see on an airport website.

In addition to the lack of press releases, the homepage at SAN.org over the last couple of years used their banner display on the home page to promote new service by the carriers – AA to MIA, AS to MCO, JL to TYO, etc. Then it all stopped; so far this year, nada. (This includes no mention what-so-ever of WN’s brand new route to MSY which started last month.)

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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 81):

I wasn't offering you an opinion to debate the issue or stating how I feel about the issue. I was explaining, as a person who works in the industry, how things work. You can feel differently if you chose. The bottom line is, the airlines message is not driven by the airport and the airports action (or your perceived inaction) is dictated by the airlines.

Quoting hawaiian717 (Reply 80):

Good stuff.

[Edited 2014-05-04 08:44:16]

User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

The heat today is causing some weight penalties (fuel stops in parenthesis):

-DL1692, B739, SAN-(MEM)-ATL
-DL833, B753, SAN-(PHX)-DTW
-US581, A320, SAN-(MCI)-PHL

Also, an AA flight to ORD came back due to the ORD ATC building fire incident.


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 46
Reply 84, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 83):
Also, an AA flight to ORD came back due to the ORD ATC building fire incident.

AA1430. We made it midway across Utah before Dispatch sent us back to SAN. Dispatcher said all the ORD alternate airports were "getting clobbered" and therefore... "not available."



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 84):

I remember seeing that AA1430 had gone up to Utah and then made a 180 straight back to SAN. I forgot the flight # though, thanks for posting it along with the story.

Also today in SAN we had the Bernardino Fire up near Poway. It was one of our first threatening wild fires of the year in SD County. We are forecasted to have a long fire season this summer in SD due to the ongoing drought. The fire today made me wonder: How were the airport ops affected back in 2003 and I think '07(?) when there were even bigger fires that I know blocked out the sun for a while and wreaked havoc across the county? I had yet to take my first airplane trip then (2003), but I do remember ash raining down in my neighborhood and the air quality all over SD (even downtown) being horrible.


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 86, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3981 times:
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Quoting bw50505 (Reply 83):
The heat today is causing some weight penalties (fuel stops in parenthesis):

Yeah, they were using rwy-9 today for takeoffs.



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

ATTENTION SAN SPOTTERS!!!

BA273/272 is being operated by a B77W tonight (Friday) instead of a 772! It is scheduled to land at 1832 PDT (usual time), and it will be only the 3rd 77W visit to SAN. So get spotting!

Also, thoughts with anyone affected by the wildfires.


User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 87):

Update: BA273 got delaye and will not be arriving until after 2000 PDT today. It's still a B77W.


User currently offlineaviatorcraig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2010, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

The aircraft is G-STBH

http://www.flightradar24.com/BAW273/35887e5



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User currently onlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 90, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 87):
BA273/272 is being operated by a B77W tonight (Friday) instead of a 772! It is scheduled to land at 1832 PDT (usual time), and it will be only the 3rd 77W visit to SAN. So get spotting!

Awesome news! Hope Ryan or someone else can get a shot of it when it lands!



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User currently offlinesan88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 88):
BA273 got delaye and will not be arriving until after 2000 PDT today. It's still a B77W.

I was able to go down and get a glimpse of her landing.

http://youtu.be/Rd7Q3b5AXJA

Not my best work but you get the idea   



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Well, G-STBH landed at about 1955 PDT while the light was slowly fading away, but I bet someone probably got some good shots of it over at the airport. Also, it looks like the 77W is the preferred aircraft sub for LHR-SAN whenever the 772 goes tech.

User currently onlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 93, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 92):
Also, it looks like the 77W is the preferred aircraft sub for LHR-SAN whenever the 772 goes tech.

Which is great especially because the BA 77W is such a rare aircraft, the fleet is still under 10 frames I believe. You can't spot them in the US except at JFK anymore!

I wonder what the load factor was on this flight (and the 77W sub back in November). This wasn't an upgauge sub, just a mech sub, correct?



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

ATTENTION SAN SPOTTERS!!! (Again  

DL2367 is being subbed by a 772 today instead of the normal 763. It will arrive sometime after 2200 PDT tonight, and will depart in the morning as DL1592, at around 0645, unless DL decides to ferry it out of SAN instead.

Hopefully someone gets some good pics or a video!!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...7/history/20140521/0034Z/KATL/KSAN


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 95, posted (6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
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Wow! The rarebirds keep showing up! I don't recall DL ever sending a 777 here! I suppose
wer'e overdue for an appearance from a 747?



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 94):

Tail is N862DA, an ER.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 95):

Agreed we are very much overdue. We've done pretty good so far this year though:

2x WO MD11P
2x OAE B763
1x NOA B763
1x BA 77W
1x DL 772 (tonight)
also...
Google 762 VIP N2767
new 757F service by FX

The WO and NA charters were especially special, since WO is now sadly gone and NA is on the decline.

[Edited 2014-05-20 20:37:43]

User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
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Quoting bw50505 (Reply 96):
WO is now sadly gone and NA is now Omni.

Agreed It's sad that WO is now gone! I used to like their old logo,the "Boomerang Meatball"
much better than the latest one. Also, I didn't know NA is now Omni? When did that happen?
I don't know if we should classify the DL 753s as rarebirds since they started showing
up last summer.



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User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 97):

Misinterpretation of a thread I though I saw earlier this year on Airliners.net. NA sold some part of its ops to Omni, but I researched and I can't find anything that says they were sold to Omni. My bad, I fixed my post above.


User currently onlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3055 times:
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No problem,I can understand why WO went under and NA is on the decline. Since the war in Iraq
has been over and the war in Afghanistan's winding down, there's no longer any need to send
large amounts of troops overseas. I remember in the 80s, Transamerica used to send 747 charters
to SAN, picking marines to send to Okinawa, Japan.


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Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.



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User currently offlinesan88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (6 months 4 days ago) and read 2770 times:

I'm not sure if this was posted but SWA is starting SAN - IAD daily roundtrip starting Nov 2nd


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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 94):
DL2367 is being subbed by a 772 today instead of the normal 763. It will arrive sometime after 2200 PDT tonight, and will depart in the morning as DL1592, at around 0645, unless DL decides to ferry it out of SAN instead.

Hopefully someone gets some good pics or a video!!

It blocked out about 9:44 am due to crew rest. Didn't push until 9:56, and was wheels up about 10:25.

http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp283/C767P/IMG6135pmw_zps7b76d4c8.jpg


User currently online777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Wow. That's a beautiful sight! No wonder DL is hiring like crazy in SAN!

User currently offlinebw50505 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Today we had an FX A306 fly in from SAT and depart to OAK this morning.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...4/history/20140601/1450Z/KSAT/KSAN
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...2/history/20140601/1920Z/KSAN/KOAK

We also had an CPZ E175 come from MSP for positioning, as DL starts SAN-SEA tomorrow (June 2).
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20140601/1935Z/KMSP/KSAN

And we had a DL 763W charter from CVG:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...5/history/20140601/2000Z/KCVG/KSAN

In the coming weeks SAN will see more AA 757 activity, DL 753 service from ATL (instead of DTW, like currently), and Compass E175s on SEA-SAN.


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