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User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Some of you may have heard this as well yesterday(Wednesday) morning on the Howard Stern show. The interview was with Donald Trump about an unrelated subject, but it deviated to the topic of 9/11.

On a phone interview...Mr. Trump suggested all cockpits be installed with a big red button that when pushed, fills the passenger cabin with sleeping gas to take control over a terrorist situation. Yes, it would put everyone to sleep..including all the passengers(the pilots would have gas masks of some sort). The plane would then land at the nearest airport and remove the threat of another impact.

What do you think? I'm in favor of the idea personally...



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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

That's actually a genious idea. That's a VERY good idea. And it isn't as dangerous as using guns. I'd go for it.

take care
FSPilot747


User currently offlineDtswi From Portugal, joined Aug 2001, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

YES !

I had the exact same idea right after 9/11 !

But then: risk that gas numbs pilots too or may cause death to some weak pax ?

I still think the idea should be pursued...


User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Let me present this idea to you. Ok, we have this new gasing system installed on the planes. So a terrorist who has connections with the ground service people (i.e. food service, cleaning service, etc.) has one of his contacts tape into the gas supply and place a strain of anthrax for example in the supply. The plane goes up, the terrorist causes a problem, the pilot pushes that big red button and bam. You have a plane full of people infected with anthrax or some other deadly virus. The plane lands, the people come on board to get the unconscious passengers off and then they get infected without even knowing it. It just keeps spreading and we have a nightmare on our hands and a potentially deadly epiodemic. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I really think that is a legitimet (sp?) cause for concern about this gassing system.

Jer - Ohio State


User currently offlineRe-heat From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

Terrorist puts on gas mask, red button is pushed. Terrorist moves without any resistence to the cockpit..... Makes job even easier.

User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

I was just going to add that to my post. Good point

User currently offlineTripleseven From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

I'd hope a gas mask would be detected before it can find it's way onto a plane.

Then again, you may have a point. Is it illegal to bring one on? It's not a weapon. I suppose if it isn't, it'd have to be in this scenario.


User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

As far as the gasmask goes, a terrorist would be ore apt to use a smokehood. They are cheaper and they are definatly legal to take onto an airplane.

User currently offlineCOboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

why? they could just tap into the current air supply of an airliner. No need to have to wait for a special gassing system. Let's face it, we can not prepare for EVERY single even that may happen. It's impossible. I hate to say it but there are ways around everything. I'm not going to even stress over possible attacks. If it happens, it happens. Nothing I can do but deal with it if it comes.

User currently offlineJer32382 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Good point

User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

I like the idea. But I think that with every good idea comes a few downpoints.

User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

I like the idea. But, I don't like being knocked out.

User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

You'd have to have *A LOT* of sleeping gas tanks... The expense would be astronomical.

I still think the best security starts at the checkpoints.


User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

My further opinion...

As far as an inside job for anthrax (so very remote) being put into an aircraft, it would take a great deal to get access to the ventillation system and rig it up. Also, anthrax can't be distributed in a gas form and would be a visible "powder or dust" that would be obviously out of the norm. Secondly, testing people for anthrax spores is a simple process and can be done very quickly if there is any suspicion. From what I've heard, anthrax cannot be spread from person to person so an epidemic simply wouldn't happen.

It certainly would take a lot of sleeping gas to knock out an entire passenger cabin.. but only if it were even just enough to weaken the threat just enough to get the plane safely on the ground. The cost would be no more astronomical then staffing an air marshall for a year or two.

I would hate to be in any situation where terrorists try to seize control of an aircraft I'm on. But I'm sure all of you would rather be knocked out than crash into a building of some sort at 500+ mph.

Just my humble opinion.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5396 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

I have occasionally allowed a bit of gas to slip out while I was sleeping in the cabin...

...oh, never mind.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

I think its a great idea even without the whole terrorists situation. Have you ever been a trans-oceanic flight and couldn't fall asleep? Have the Fa's come around, gas people who want it, and bamm. Ofcourse it wouldnt be that simple, but its something to think about.  Big grin


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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Sleeping Gas?

What a riot...

We are trained, in a hijacking (or similar) situation, to depressurize the cabin of the aircraft to do the same thing as a sleeping gas would. In doing this, it reduces the bloodflow to the brain, which will effectively knock out the pax and allow us to land the plane with minumum hassle. The oxygen mask system is manually overridden, and only the pilots and possibly the flight attendants would be protected against it through the use of oxygen. However, this process could take in excess of 20-25 minutes to have an effect on the passengers, and if by chance during this period a terrorist walks into the cockpit and see the pilots with oxygen masks on, well, if one of the guys doesn't have a quick imagination, then there could be trouble.

This would not kill the passengers, it would simply put them in a "hibernation" mode until normal air pressure can be restored. The downside is that by doing this, you run the risk of having to evacuate a planeload of unconscious passengers in the event of an emergency, which definitely could get hairy.


User currently offlineZiffle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Replace "sleeping gas" with "sarin nerve gas"...
Sounds much more plausible than the anthrax outbreak (which isn't contagious and takes ages to kill someone). The sarin would immediately put everyone who inhaled it to rest.
You now have a terrorist threat on the aeroplane and from memory these fundamentalists don't care if they die or not.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Im on a prescription medication that can't be mixed with sleeping gas. Whenever I have surgery it has to be IV induced. So you hit the button, I die. Think I'm ever going to buy a ticket again. Heck no

User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1050 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Hmmm, good points from everyone but I definetely prefer the sleeping gas option over armed sky marshalls. But whatever is done onboard the planes it must be combined with better security checks on the ground.

Stratofish



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User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

I'm in favor of it, but it's expensive! So you might not see it happen.

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Ok..this is about the dumbest thing I ever heard!

Should follow the thread last year about putting parachutes on planes.....


User currently offlineJonPaulGeoRngo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Not mention Greg, its impossible.

Some of you guys need to actually read about jetliners before you write about them. Posts like these would get trashed by the second message.

The reason its impossible is that cockpit and the cabin are pressurized together, hence the pilot can go into the cabin and flight attendents into the cockpit during flight. Its essential for this access...more so than the possibility of a hijacking.

This was all clearly explained recently...in The Wall Street Journal...no less.


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