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A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 15  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 77839 times:
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As part 14 became quite long, it was locked down for further contributions. Please feel free to continue your discussion in this thread.

Part 14 can be found here:

A350 Test Flights Official Thread Part 14 (by SA7700 Mar 5 2014 in Civil Aviation)


Regards,

SA7700


When you are doing stuff that nobody has done before, there is no manual – Kevin McCloud (Grand Designs)
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User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 77719 times:

AIB49WB and AIB11GG

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3688/13429561464_08980b743b_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/13429308383_222bfda651_c.jpg


User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 77484 times:

AIB11GG was on the ground around 18:38 UTC but now back in the air!

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 76820 times:

AIB50WB is in the air and AIB11CF is warming up.

MSN4 will stay on the ground for the next two weeks and will do electrical and lightning tests at the A380 site.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 76652 times:

CF airborne at 09:20Z

User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 76630 times:

I wonder if the MSN4 tests are the certification tests for lightening etc?

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 76418 times:

AIB50WB was back at 11:54 UTC!

AIB11CF is cruising at FL 43.000ft for a long time now...  Wow!


User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 76407 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 6):
AIB11CF is cruising at FL 43.000ft for a long time now...

And after a very steep approach into TLS, CF has landed at 13:26 UTC.


User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 75926 times:

MSN 1 just took off and did a couple of circuits at Tolouse before landing, don't have the times.


Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 75509 times:

Quoting EK17 (Reply 8):

By the way, I meant MSN 3. I get confused so easily!   

AIB11CF:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7226/13447815335_db048a4342_o_d.jpg



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 75488 times:

Quoting EK17 (Reply 9):
By the way, I meant MSN 3. I get confused so easily!   

Isn't that a picture of MSN2?



BV
User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 75219 times:

It's easy to lose track of this hardworking little fleet, full credit goes to the staff for keeping them flying   


It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 74973 times:

Next flight for MSN1:

http://fr24.com/AIB51WB

MSN 2 and 3 are online as well.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 74773 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 10):
Isn't that a picture of MSN2?

Yes it is, but I was talking about the the post I made above. Sorry, I should have made it clearer!   

Quoting Part147 (Reply 11):
It's easy to lose track of this hardworking little fleet, full credit goes to the staff for keeping them flying

   They really are doing an amazing job!



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 74709 times:

It was a short flight for Wibi this morning - a couple of circuits followed by flying about FL10 along the pyrennes - Natural icing?

User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 74385 times:

I don't believe anyone has mentioned the fact that CF seems to have lost all those external sensors in the last couple of pictures posted....

Just a couple of orange plugged windows left, lets hope she'll start some of the Early Long Flights soon!  

A380 ELF:
1st 7hrs
2nd 10hrs
3rd 12hrs
4th 15hrs

If I remember correct



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 74303 times:

On the last image it does look like there are still some sensors near the wing root fairing.

User currently offlinepoolkeeper From Panama, joined Nov 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 74154 times:

AIB52WB ready to take off

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 74085 times:

Quoting poolkeeper (Reply 17):
AIB52WB ready to take off

Take-off was 14:29 UTC.


User currently offlineJeanXFW From Germany, joined Mar 2014, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 73895 times:

Please forgive my ignorance on this, but... what's the difference between these so called Early Long Flights and the kind of circuits MSN2 was doing the last couple of weeks out of XFW? Some of these flights were over 8h long...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 73885 times:

Those Early Long Flights will have pax aboard and will fly to real airports, with real crew handling etc.


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 73789 times:

AIB 52WB with some sensor on the wing

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5017/13468537793_84f8ca9b09_c.jpg


User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 73413 times:

MSN 1 looks to be doing some circuits at Tolouse, seems to have changed to AIB52NW for some reason.  

Edit: Changed back to AIB52WB.

[Edited 2014-03-28 11:52:20]


Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 73329 times:

WB lands and heads back to the flight line - just as GiGi heads out to the runway.

GiGi completed an RTO and then headed back to the flightline.

[Edited 2014-03-28 12:12:19]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 73257 times:

MSN4 in the background:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13472535855/

MSN1 late night work:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13472948284/



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 59
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months ago) and read 73535 times:

Quoting bycac (Reply 21):
AIB 52WB with some sensor on the wing

Thanks for the photo, I think the things on the leading edge of the wing is artificial ice. It seems WB is continuing the ice tests, they might even have started the certification tests.



Non French in France
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 73457 times:

It seems MSN4 went inside a hangar today.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/jujug/13476347824/

A nice close-up of MSN1's rear section:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/jujug/13476098933/

There is something on that winglet and horizontal stabilizer as well.

[Edited 2014-03-28 16:50:49]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebigsmile From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 73921 times:

Quoting bycac (Reply 21):
AIB 52WB with some sensor on the wing
Quoting ferpe (Reply 27):
I think the things on the leading edge of the wing is artificial ice. It seems WB is continuing the ice tests, they might even have started the certification tests.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 29):
There is something on that winglet and horizontal stabilizer as well.

Correct Ferpe, these are artificial ice on the leading edges of the wings (Slats included), VTP and HTP.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 73662 times:

Hi bigsmile,

Is this part of the certification tests already?



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2159 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 73579 times:

Did somebody follow the test flight this morning? AIB53WB, did WiBi land at Tarbes?
In the air again.

[Edited 2014-03-29 03:50:28]

User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 73201 times:

AIB53WB touchdown in Toulouse at 14:45 UTC.


Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 72936 times:

Anyway - here's a nice picture of XWB smiling…


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Alexey Petrov - RuSpotters Team




It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 72608 times:

AIB53WB:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7092/13491275833_3b2cab0f8e_o_d.jpg
www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13491275833/

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7226/13491546674_0950867ccc_o_d.jpg
www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13491546674/



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlinebobdino From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 71483 times:

AIB13GG is just North of Troyes and descending through 4000ft after leaving Toulouse earlier.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 70725 times:

AIB13GG just airborne from XCR.

http://fr24.com/AIB13GG



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently onlineWingtip1005 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Mar 2014, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 70355 times:

Not sure if these have been posted before but my dad just e-mailed these pictures of the tail strike test.

http://imgur.com/a/uGmVS



Be quick, be quiet, and be on time
User currently offlinepoolkeeper From Panama, joined Nov 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 70137 times:

AIB14GG airbourne since a few minutes

User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 70041 times:

G´day

Quoting Wingtip1005 (Reply 35):
pictures of the tail strike test

Thanks, very nice pics. I wonder how much Airbus gets paid for regrooving the runway   

With the downward forces applied by the "tailscraper" during the minimum unstick tests presumably there is quite some damage to the runway. Anyone out there that can elaborate on the subject? Thanks again


Cheers

Peter



"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." (Albert Einstein, 1879
User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 69908 times:

GG did a vmu test too? this is news...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 69920 times:

I recall Airbus saying they would do another set of VMU trials. Perhaps these are related to the certification process.

[Edited 2014-03-31 11:12:50]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 69661 times:

Is it not unusual to do such a potentially dangerous and potentially frame damaging test twice?

User currently offlineCrimsonChin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2014, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 69225 times:

Maybe they were really confident they wouldn't fail? 

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 68646 times:

Next flight for MSN2:

http://fr24.com/AIB12CF



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 68209 times:

AIB15GG just departed from XCR.

http://fr24.com/AIB15GG



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 68170 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):
Next flight for MSN2:

CF is back in TLS at 11:02 UTC.


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 68075 times:

Did GiGi overnight at XCR - didn't get her outbound from TLS this morning.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 68077 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 45):
didn't get her outbound from TLS this morning.

It did, departed at 5:08 UTC.

[Edited 2014-04-01 04:41:05]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5295 posts, RR: 40
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 67943 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 39):
I recall Airbus saying they would do another set of VMU trials. Perhaps these are related to the certification process.

This was already predicted by Old Aero Guy if I am not mistaken. But all tests continue to go flawlessly. So there is nothing to be worried about, if anyone ever was worried about the progress of the flight test- and certification campaign.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 67414 times:

A few nice pictures of AIB12CF:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13564739544/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13564759004/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13564474793/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13564806194/



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineBREmer From Germany, joined May 2004, 551 posts, RR: 16
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 66685 times:

Don't know if this has been posted before? A350 cabin will be revealed next Monday in Hamburg to the press, together with Airbus' new cabin center. Just in time for Aircraft Interior Expo as previously predicted.

User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 66537 times:

Interesting, CF is airborne but with a GG flight number - AIB09GG
It looks lke a cabin test flight, so not a late aircraft change.


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 66508 times:

Yes it is flying as AIB09GG which is not in sequence for either frame. Most odd.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 66709 times:

Next flight for MSN1:

http://fr24.com/AIB54WB



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 66578 times:

MSN3 is in the air as well, just airborne from XCR:

http://fr24.com/AIB17GG



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 66518 times:

Must have positioned there overnight.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 66485 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 54):
Must have positioned there overnight.

MSN3 departed at 5:01UTC from TLS, MSN2 followed at 5:22UTC.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1785 posts, RR: 7
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 66312 times:

I see in the A350 logbook that MSN1 has logged -7,9 hours for April, what the reason for this? Thanks!


Live From Amsterdam!
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 66285 times:

Please re check - I see 1.8 hours logged for todays flight as AIB54WB. Go to the detail page for the full information.

User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 66265 times:

The HTML published version is updated every 5 minutes, apparently it updated right after I filled the 7:54 off blocks time, all is updated correclt now..  

MSN2 left coverage while still flying Northbound, definitely furthest North now and maybe she'll go as far North as Svallbard-Longyearbyen (LYR) or even further!



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 66184 times:

I see that GiGi is doing the promised circuits at Mulhouse (as advertised in advance on the A350 blog)

User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1785 posts, RR: 7
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 66136 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 58):
The HTML published version is updated every 5 minutes, apparently it updated right after I filled the 7:54 off blocks time, all is updated correclt now..  

MSN2 left coverage while still flying Northbound, definitely furthest North now and maybe she'll go as far North as Svallbard-Longyearbyen (LYR) or even further!

Gotcha, thanks!!

filler filler filler



Live From Amsterdam!
User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 66066 times:

A&C reports that one A350 (MSN3?) did 12 landings at EAP/BSL on March 31st.

User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 65837 times:

GiGi is back at TLS, 7hrs added to the program!  

CF is still out of coverage, last datapoint at 9:32Z, track 001, makes me wonder if there going all the way to 90 degrees North...  Wow!

Last position 73,2N, flying due North gives 17 degrees to 90 degrees

17 x 60 gives approx 1020NM x 2 is a 2040 NM round trip in uncovered area. Or approx. 4/5 hours.



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2159 posts, RR: 3
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 65740 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 62):
GiGi is back at TLS, 7hrs added to the program!  

CF is still out of coverage, last datapoint at 9:32Z, track 001, makes me wonder if there going all the way to 90 degrees North...  

Last position 73,2N, flying due North gives 17 degrees to 90 degrees

17 x 60 gives approx 1020NM x 2 is a 2040 NM round trip in uncovered area. Or approx. 4/5 hours.

Perhaps she landed at LYR on Svalbard.


User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 65772 times:

Looks like CF is carrying out the Polar testing, making sure everything works when you flip from heading due north to due south in a second or two, and other High Latitude oddities.

Question is where will she come out of hiding? I imagine most likely will be a return to TLS, she could also easily pop into HEL to show off to Finnair.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 65787 times:

Quoting breiz (Reply 61):
A&C reports that one A350 (MSN3?) did 12 landings at EAP/BSL on March 31st.

VMU tests in BSL it seems.

http://twitter.com/Jerema320/status/451311820050292736/photo/1
http://twitter.com/Jerema320/status/451307879606517761/photo/1

[Edited 2014-04-02 05:47:10]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 65740 times:

VMU part 3?

Also have we seen any of the fleet do cross wind landings tests yet?


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 13674 posts, RR: 25
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 65792 times:

Quoting overcast (Reply 64):
Looks like CF is carrying out the Polar testing, making sure everything works when you flip from heading due north to due south in a second or two, and other High Latitude oddities.

Yes, and when south of the Equator they must go flush all the bogs at once to see if the a/c can deal with the reverse Coriolis effect! 



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 65530 times:

CF has just reappeared over the east coast of Greenland.

WiBi and GiGi are also airborne for their second flights of the day.

[Edited 2014-04-02 07:30:57]

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2159 posts, RR: 3
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 65395 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 68):
CF has just reappeared over the east coast of Greenland.

Than I assume no landing in LYR, polar light tourists.


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 64766 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 55):
MSN2 followed at 5:22UTC.

Landed ~18:30 UTC after 13 hours in the air.



Las Malvinas son Argentinas
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 64634 times:

I wonder if they had passengers on this flight.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 64543 times:

MSN1 today:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ramis-photos/13587745845/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ramis-photos/13587744275/

Looks like the artificial ice is gone?



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 63632 times:

AIB19GG with a late start today - take-off at 08:35 UTC.

WiBi is preparing the next flight too... AIB56WB.

[Edited 2014-04-03 02:49:28]

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 63358 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 73):
AIB56WB

take-off at 9:54 UTC.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 62845 times:

MSN2 North Pole flight confirmed by Airbus.

http://www.flugrevue.de/zivilluftfah...e-erreicht-1400-flugstunden/559952



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 62422 times:

AIB14CF was all afternoon online but never made it into the air.


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinegocackletta From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 62117 times:

From what I've seen so far, the A350 looks like an absolutely gorgeous airplane. It just seems so fluid and smooth. Hopefully the testing process goes according to plan and we get to see this bird more often soon.  

User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 61644 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):

He pushed back and stay 20 minutes with engines run and go back to the stand !


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 61539 times:

GiGi is up and running - airborne at about 08:28Z

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 61475 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 76):
AIB14CF was all afternoon online but never made it into the air.

Next try today:

http://fr24.com/AIB14CF



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 61147 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 15):
I don't believe anyone has mentioned the fact that CF seems to have lost all those external sensors in the last couple of pictures posted....
Quoting StTim (Reply 16):
On the last image it does look like there are still some sensors near the wing root fairing.

Just for comparison, the right-hand side of MSN2 is clean:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13620665353/

vs


http://www.flickr.com/photos/blaquebeat/13154353183

Most of the sensors were/are located on the left-hand side though, I'll try to find a few images of it.

[Edited 2014-04-04 03:55:48]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 61044 times:

Left side on April 1st  
msn2 1/4/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 60159 times:

A close-up of the artificial ice on the winglet:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ramis-photos/13481666143/



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineknoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 59356 times:

MSN 002 just left for XFW with its first real passengers. Surprisingly, it is not showing up on FR24.

MSN 001 keeps doing some rounds since this morning.



No matter what anybody tells you, words and ideas can change the world.
User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 59293 times:

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 84):
Surprisingly, it is not showing up on FR24

She's up now, surprisingly on T-MLAT, which suggests the ADS/B transponder is not transmitting...  Wow!

Is she flying to Germany again? for AIX2014

//Edit, or Airbus tried to keep this flight undercover and after reading the thread realized it didn't work. Or they read this topic, and addressed the ADS/B problem.

Tracking on normal FR24 ADS/B feeds, Yes, I am convinced Airbus is monitoring this thread!  Wink

[Edited 2014-04-05 06:18:22]


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 59103 times:

AIB15CF is now descending into XFW.



[Edited 2014-04-05 07:12:59]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 59005 times:

Ok first post in here:

This was actually a joke. Last time she came to XFW I was away, now I'm at home, but the weather couldn't be any worse:

This is the original:



After Lightroom:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/13644391703_238c2b8033_b.jpg
F-WWCF / Airbus Industrie / Airbus A350-941 / MSN 002 von insightAVIATION auf Flickr


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58938 times:

I wonder how many she had on board and if they are making the return trip later?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58836 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 88):
I wonder how many she had on board and if they are making the return trip later?

I assume these are staff for the Aircraft Interiors Expo, they should stay a few days (including MSN2).



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 58821 times:

MSN4 is back on the Flightline at the flight test center:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13641301345/

More pictures of today in his photo stream

[Edited 2014-04-05 08:33:40]


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 58782 times:

Hopefully that is the lightening and electrical interference certification tests completed.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 58620 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 90):
More pictures of today in his photo stream

Any idea what "special VMCG" means?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/13641277235/

[Edited 2014-04-05 09:48:04]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3685 posts, RR: 66
Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 58434 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
Any idea what "special VMCG" means?

Don't know what makes it "special", but judging by the rudder position, it is an engine inoperative takeoff. Perhaps the Vmcg Cert test?



Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
User currently offlineCrimsonChin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2014, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 58129 times:

That's sooner than expected for MSN4? Thought it was meant to be on the ground for 2 weeks, it's just been 8 days I think

User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 56949 times:

Confirmation that the 'polar' flight took place...

http://www.aero.de/news-19359/Ein-Be...ei-den-Flugtestern-von-Airbus.html



It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 56779 times:

Quoting Part147 (Reply 95):
Confirmation that the 'polar' flight took place...

See reply 75:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 75):
MSN2 North Pole flight confirmed by Airbus.

Unfortunately both articles in German only.


User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 56526 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 96):

Apologies, been busy over the weekend and got the link from ....

http://www.bloga350.blogspot.ie/2014...totype-made-north-pole-flight.html

...so I thought it was new information   



It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 98, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 55907 times:

AIB16CF airborne now.

http://fr24.com/AIB16CF



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 55884 times:

Coming back to TLS?

Quiet day otherwise on the flying front.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 55806 times:

Nearly 200 flight hours are scheduled for the route proving flights.

http://www.air-cosmos.com/2014/04/07...msn5-prendra-l-air-en-mai-prochain



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 101, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 55476 times:

A bit more on the long flight cabin testing:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/airbus-to-la...ch-a350-world-tour-later-this-year

Quote:
"The test engineers say this is where they like to play around and really cause problems. So they’ll take the inflight entertainment system down and see how the cabin crew can handle it, how they can fix it."



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 102, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 55665 times:

A nice close-up of the A350 undercarriage:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/13698021514/



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 55456 times:

3 photos oh AIB16CF arriving from XFW !

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7352/13699838274_6704029de3_c.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2826/13699514793_6e822d3d7e_c.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3792/13699837924_5f71ab1fcc_c.jpg


User currently offlineUA767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 54953 times:

Will the A350 make an appearance in the US anytime soon for testing?

User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 105, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 54741 times:

Quoting UA767400 (Reply 104):
Will the A350 make an appearance in the US anytime soon for testing?

Yes, next month for cold weather testing in Florida.

Not joking: McKinley Climatic Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base  


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 54392 times:

Quoting UA767400 (Reply 104):

Besides what Unflug said, that the 350 will fly to Florida soon, I also expect some US destinations during this "World Tour" mentioned in this article http://www.ausbt.com.au/airbus-to-la...ch-a350-world-tour-later-this-year posted by Karel in reply 101

Potential candidates I suspect are UA, AA, HA and maybe DL head office cities?? DL has the RFP open so it could be an opportunity to present the aircraft to them before a decision is made  
Some 200 hours have been planned for these Route Proving flights, so there is plenty of time for many visits, I personally hope for AMS 

//Edit: just realized UA only has the -1000 on order of course... But maybe they still send the -900 their way  
//Edit2: Clearly not awake yet Big grin HA only has the -800, but they still need some persuasion to change to -900 :p

[Edited 2014-04-08 02:42:41]


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3184 posts, RR: 22
Reply 107, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 54046 times:
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Quoting starbucks (Reply 106):
Some 200 hours have been planned for these Route Proving flights, so there is plenty of time for many visits

TLS -ORD - ATL - DFW - HNL - TLS would do it and a nice long non-stop back to Europe.     

Rgds



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User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 53712 times:

MSN 1 is taxiing to the runway: http://fr24.com/AIB59WB

User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 53340 times:

AIB59WB , request take off on 32L fly till 25mn and back to ILS 14R but not realised...

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3758/13718616144_e0cb653dd0_c.jpg


User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 53107 times:

Quoting insightAVIATION (Reply 108):
MSN 1 is taxiing to the runway: http://fr24.com/AIB59WB

Landed back in TLS at 17:31 UTC.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 111, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 53053 times:

Anyone have diagram of the internal structures of the 350 wing? I know it's probably proprietary.

I wonder this because the A350 wing seems not to flex as much as the 787. I wonder if this is a result of design philosophy or manufacturing techniques?

bt



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 53037 times:

This was covered elsewhere - maybe in tech ops. There is a different design philosophy. If you see the A350 flaps they are continuous. The control surfaces are further out at the wing tip. If the wing flexed as much as the 787 then you could get control reversal which would not be good. The 787 control surface is between the two flap elements.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 113, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 53044 times:

Different design philosophy. Here are a few interesting threads about the subject:

Boeing Vs. Airbus Wing Design Philosophies (by ferpe Apr 16 2012 in Tech Ops)
A350: Where Is The Wing Flex? (by faro Jun 14 2013 in Tech Ops)



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User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 52395 times:

MSN 3 is taxiing to the runway: http://fr24.com/AIB23GG

Edit: And took off!

[Edited 2014-04-09 01:18:35]

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 52378 times:

GiGi is in the air as AIB23GG since 8:17 UTC.

User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 52252 times:

MSN 1 just appeared with callsign AIB60WB: http://fr24.com/AIB60WB

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 52063 times:

Quoting insightAVIATION (Reply 116):
MSN 1 just appeared with callsign AIB60WB

with take-off at 9:18 UTC


User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 51536 times:

The 2 A350 departing this morning !

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2824/13736041185_d95b3193c3_c.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7140/13736083793_c205f85fec_c.jpg


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 119, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 51223 times:

GiGi is up as AIB301

Www.fr24.com/AIB301 on FR24 MLAT again, flying NorthWest.... Ferry to Florida?  



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 51112 times:

Looks like she is doing a Filton fly past.

Scratch that - from FR24 GiGi has put down at Kemble aerodrome!

I wonder why?

[Edited 2014-04-09 09:38:51]

User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 51022 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 120):

Airbus have tweeted an image of the 'A350XWB's first ever UK landing':

www.twitter.com/Airbus/status/453940328156786688

As StTim said, I wonder why?  



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 51040 times:

Airbus have also tweeted 'Great news! Our #A350 XWB has landed in the UK for the 1st time as part of the ongoing flight test'.
www.twitter.com/airbus/status/453934855903268865

GiGi will be in and out of Cotswold Airport throughout tomorrow.

What tests could be happening?

[Edited 2014-04-09 10:20:32]


Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 123, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 50842 times:

Some nice footage of the MSN4 noise tests in Spain:

http://youtu.be/_jiF0sSwY9c?t=2m5s (video made by insightAVIATION)

http://oi60.tinypic.com/34g2hwx.jpg



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User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 50027 times:

AIB61WB is in the air.

Doing touch and go's at TLS.

[Edited 2014-04-10 03:22:50]


Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 49837 times:

Can someone please summarize where we are currently (it would be great if the thread opening post would contain that summary actually)? I'm not following that closely, but it's an interesting topic!

How many hours have each of the planes flown? Which major tests are still pending and which are already completed? Is the test program on track for an EIS late this year? What's the latest comment coming from Airbus regarding the testing?

Thank you!

[Edited 2014-04-10 04:19:15]

User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1785 posts, RR: 7
Reply 126, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 49702 times:

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 125):
How many hours have each of the planes flown? Which major tests are still pending and which are already completed? Is the test program on track for an EIS late this year? What's the latest comment coming from Airbus regarding the testing?

This excellent sheet has most of the information you are requesting;

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html



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User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49640 times:

MSN 3 flew as FWZGG earlier, take off from Cotswold at 10:44 and landed at 13:28 UTC.

They may be wrong, could someone check?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 128, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49591 times:

MSN3 did hot fuel certification testing at Cotswold Airport.

http://www.airbus-group.com/airbusgr...s.20140410_airbus_a350_xwb_uk.html

Quote:
“This visit is part of the aircraft’s certification. Experts from the nearby Airbus Filton facility are playing a key role in supporting the fuel system tests.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/airbusgroup/13760025655/

[Edited 2014-04-10 08:29:53]


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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 49181 times:

AIB62WB back in TLS at 18:13 UTC after flying along the north coast of Spain.

Take-off was around 15:05 UTC.

[Edited 2014-04-10 11:18:46]

User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 130, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 49111 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 129):

I checked, there were a lot of clouds in that area with what looked like high tops, my guess would be ongoing natural icing trials...  

Also MSN3 is doing a second flight from the UK, flying as FWZGG



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 49043 times:

MSN 1 taking off today:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7216/13764347794_bae25de04b_b.jpg
F-WXWB Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 - cn 001 von Flox Papa auf Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7176/13764009603_195b55644e_b.jpg
F-WXWB Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 - cn 001 von Flox Papa auf Flickr


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 132, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 49024 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
Some nice footage of the MSN4 noise tests in Spain:

http://youtu.be/_jiF0sSwY9c?t=2m5s (video made by insightAVIATION)

The video also confirms VMU tests have been done in March.

http://oi59.tinypic.com/42kjd.jpg



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User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 48215 times:

This video is really quite amazing, it shows GiGi landing at Cotswold and coming to a halt in around ~15 seconds!

http://youtu.be/rqSTVWw7twU

Maybe they should send her into Lukla next!  



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1785 posts, RR: 7
Reply 134, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 47990 times:

Quoting EK17 (Reply 133):
This video is really quite amazing, it shows GiGi landing at Cotswold and coming to a halt in around ~15 seconds!

http://youtu.be/rqSTVWw7twU

Wow, that was awesome!!!!



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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 48006 times:

As per FR24 GiGi is on the way back to TLS from Cotswold as AIB301.

Take-off approx. 13:55 UTC.

[Edited 2014-04-11 07:23:29]

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47995 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 134):
http://youtu.be/rqSTVWw7twU

WOW! How did GiGi know where the camera is positioned?  


User currently offlinepoolkeeper From Panama, joined Nov 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47772 times:

AIB63WB on the move.

Also MSN4 active but no callsign at the moment.

Edit: Now callsign AIB4R4

[Edited 2014-04-11 08:23:20]

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1786 posts, RR: 8
Reply 138, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47790 times:

Quoting EK17 (Reply 133):
This video is really quite amazing, it shows GiGi landing at Cotswold and coming to a halt in around ~15 seconds!

http://youtu.be/rqSTVWw7twU

Does the A350 qualify as STOL?   


User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47671 times:

Quoting poolkeeper (Reply 137):
AIB63WB on the move.

With only 1 1/2 h missing to reach 60% (or 1.500h) of the total planned flight test time, WB will probably make this milestone very easily today!


User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47655 times:

Quoting EK17 (Reply 133):
This video is really quite amazing, it shows GiGi landing at Cotswold and coming to a halt in around ~15 seconds!

http://youtu.be/rqSTVWw7twU

Looks like a very firm touchdown. Rocking back and forth after it stopped. Were the reversers being used until full stop or were they just open? Is that brake smoke in front of the bogie after the stop?
Edit: Actually, it looks like the smoke is coming from the reverser.

[Edited 2014-04-11 09:05:16]


"You're sitting. In a chair. In the SKY!!" ~ Louis C.K.
User currently offlinepugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47608 times:
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Looks like the oil venting from the engine.

If WB was empty and brakes on full, would be quite easy to stop so quickly.


User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47531 times:

MSN 3 just appeared with callsign FWZGG again: http://fr24.com/FWZGG

User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 47500 times:

Quoting pugman211 (Reply 141):
If WB was empty and brakes on full, would be quite easy to stop so quickly.

I'm curious if they used full reverse right up to stopping.



"You're sitting. In a chair. In the SKY!!" ~ Louis C.K.
User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47206 times:

Quoting EK17 (Reply 133):

Wow!

She caught the 'third wire' beautifully!   


And here she is taking from the UK...

http://youtu.be/-0-2t9n-qOY

[Edited 2014-04-11 12:13:44]


It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 47042 times:

Quoting Part147 (Reply 144):

     



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 46981 times:

Quoting Part147 (Reply 144):
And here she is taking from the UK...

What a beautiful sound those engines make!



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 46917 times:

Quoting poolkeeper (Reply 137):
AIB63WB on the move.

Back at home at 19:45 UTC.

-> A350XWB flight test program has passed 1.500 hour of flying!!!


User currently offlineEK17 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 46853 times:

AIB63WB Takeoff:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3703/13782132775_13f49df496_o_d.jpg


AIB301 Landing back in TLS:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/13782121035_63c0902818_o_d.jpg



Art is never finished, only abandoned. - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 3
Reply 149, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 46515 times:

Quoting hivue (Reply 140):
Edit: Actually, it looks like the smoke is coming from the reverser.

No, its coming from an oil pipe under the engine, its a feature of the Trent XWB when on the ground at idle.



BV
User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1786 posts, RR: 8
Reply 150, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 44703 times:

No flight today? What's happening? It has been so much clockwork recently…

User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 44019 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 150):
No flight today? What's happening? It has been so much clockwork recently…

Everyone gone on holidays for Easter?


User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 44115 times:

MSN 1 is already in the air for a while: http://fr24.com/AIB65WB Currently at 30,000ft and 457 kt .

User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43860 times:

MSN 4 also took off, after being on thr ground for more than 3 weeks: http://fr24.com/AIB24NW

User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 43499 times:

Face to face with WB !
AIB56WB ready for take off this mroning

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3675/13869723075_f4dddfaf00_c.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3766/13870113774_282ebf2727_c.jpg


User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 42438 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 128):
MSN3 did hot fuel certification testing at Cotswold Airport.

Karel, do you have more info on what exactly is done during hot fuel certification tests ?

Quoting bycac (Reply 154):

Face to face with WB !

She does look imposing! Thanks for the regular photo updates, Clement!  



'What's it doing now?'
User currently offlinebobdino From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 42234 times:

AIB25NW is doing low-level circuits to the West of Tarbes.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB25NW


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 41918 times:

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 155):
Karel, do you have more info on what exactly is done during hot fuel certification tests ?

I'm guessing the aircraft needs to refuel while the engines are running.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 41375 times:

MSN4 today:

msn4 16/4/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

AIB26NW 16/4/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 41290 times:

And other !

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/13894549634_bb4ea94a8a_c.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2837/13894134455_de5716b4a2_c.jpg


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 41072 times:

Next flight for MSN2:

http://fr24.com/AIB17CF



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 40923 times:

MSN2 just finished a few loops:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2yx5i52.jpg



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 40072 times:

Four test flights today: AIB66WB, AIB67WB, AIB18CF and AIB27NW.

And MSN2 is now online as AIB1234.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 39971 times:

AIB66WB and AIB18CF on take off this morning :

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2902/13910680544_f28f283736_c.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/13910261285_4eb351b2ba_c.jpg


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 164, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 39696 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 162):
Four test flights today: AIB66WB, AIB67WB, AIB18CF and AIB27NW.

And we have a 5th flight:

http://fr24.com/AIB28NW



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 165, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 38905 times:

Summary from yesterday's flights:

> MSN1: flew about 9h29m in two flights
> MSN2: flew about 2 hours
> MSN4: flew about 6h40m in two flights

That's good for a total of ~ 18 hours.

For today, MSN4 just departed from TLS and AIB68WB is lining-up:

http://fr24.com/AIB29NW
http://fr24.com/AIB68WB



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 166, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 38521 times:

MSN3 airborne as well:

http://fr24.com/AIB30GG



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 167, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 38373 times:

MSN2 is also flying:

http://fr24.com/AIB19CF

All four A350s will have flown today.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinepoolkeeper From Panama, joined Nov 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 168, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 37994 times:

We have both AIB30NW and AIB69WB in the air for their second flights for today. Intense flying last two days.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 169, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 37929 times:

Quoting poolkeeper (Reply 168):
Intense flying last two days.

I guess that's because there will be no flights on Monday (holiday).



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineinsightAVIATION From Germany, joined Dec 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 170, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 37903 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 169):

But isn't there already today?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 171, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 37910 times:

Quoting insightAVIATION (Reply 170):
But isn't there already today?

Many companies are only closed on Easter Monday.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinebobdino From Australia, joined Jan 2013, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 172, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 37738 times:

Quoting insightAVIATION (Reply 170):
But isn't there already today?

It's not a holiday in France today except, I think, for Alsace.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 173, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37548 times:

Face to face with MSN1:


Airbus A350-941 msn 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 174, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36766 times:

MSN 3 producing some smoke from the right engine, the photographer mentions that its an engine start:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5288/13934014045_9c1d764359_b.jpgmsn3 19/4/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



Shoot True, Never Miss...
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 175, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36676 times:

GG is currently showing as having 597 hours under her belt. Only 3 hours left to the unofficial target for this test frame.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 176, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 36073 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 174):
MSN 3 producing some smoke from the right engine, the photographer mentions that its an engine start:

Indeed, the engine was off during takeoff as this picture shows:


msn3 19/4/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 177, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 36327 times:

Looks like a full engine out take off. Certification progress continues.

Do we know is any formal cross wind landing testing has been undertaken yet?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 178, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 36292 times:

No news about cross wind landings yet.

MSN1 did natural ice tests on Friday.

[Edited 2014-04-20 02:56:46]


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 179, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 35187 times:

And AIB33GG concluded with 3 hrs making exactly 600/600 hrs now acc. to my administration...

Let us see what happens now, maybe Airbus has changed priorities and MSN3 will continue to fly...  



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 180, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34874 times:

I am sure it will contiue to fly  

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 181, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34911 times:

It will, MSN3 has yet to complete the extreme temperature tests in Florida, and the hot weather campaign in the Middle East.


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinepoolkeeper From Panama, joined Nov 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 182, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 34621 times:

Anyone knows how many hours has been added to test program for testing NiCd battery system?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14834 posts, RR: 42
Reply 183, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 34524 times:

Video of MSN3 takeoff with 1 engine:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/f-alex_alexis_charroud/13949549822/



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 184, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 34410 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 183):

Thanks for sharing that, what an odd thing to watch...was that video slowed down do you think, I'm guessing it was...also I wonder why the landing gear was lowered again after starting the engine



Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)