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User currently offlineAvibeast From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3539 times:

Being born and raised in the Washington, D.C. Area, IAD I have witnessed tremendous growth in international airlines and destinations that operate in IAD. Any predictions for the near future as to what new airlines/destinations dulles will see?? Air China is starting service to Beijing in June!

[Edited 2014-03-26 19:10:44]

[Edited 2014-03-26 19:11:15]

[Edited 2014-03-26 19:11:35]

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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1608 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Not having any insider info myself, I'd say IAD is pretty well situated as-is, and has to contend with what ORD or EWR offer within the UA network as well.

So, my thinking from that point goes that IAD will probably not see much drastic unless we start to see some 787s flow in there to open up new connections like, say, HKG. EWR covers a lot of the smaller European stuff that IAD doesn't yet serve, especially on the routes where the extra 200 or so miles to IAD are too much for the 757s. Likewise, IAH does well for LATAM, and SFO/LAX (plus ORD really) offer great Asian connectivity to the places IAD doesn't yet serve, but you probably can't justify say IAD-NGO.

I should add that as an IAD lover for international travel, I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of as far as their international coverage is concerned -- the Air China to PEK is great, but the roster of airlines and destinations is still quite respectable I'd say and I have no complaints.


User currently offlinewashingtonflyer From Bouvet Island, joined Sep 2013, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

IAD is a city that gets flights from capitals as opposed to manufacturing or commercial cities. I doubt you'd see service out of PVG or KIX or DUS.

You could see some more capital flights that we don't have now (or used to have): OSL, MAD, ATH, etc.

I think one flight that could do well here but isn't served is DEL. Sizeable indian population and a good candidate flight.

How about TLV?


User currently offlineAvibeast From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Yes, the capital to capital service would make sense. I think at one point Air India did serve IAD-DEL, but just for a few months. A few airlines, Iberia, Alitalia, and Swiss at one point did serve, but suspended operations.. Would love to see more Middle Eastern/North African routes, specifically Royal Jordanian to AMM and Royal Air Maroc to CMN, perhaps? As far as the Middle East goes, they got pretty much covered. (DXB, AUH, DOH, JED, RIYADH, BAH(Ibelieve..?), KWI)

Turkish with IST in my opinion seems to have been successful.. Many people I know have used the airline for connections to the Middle East, Africa and India.

It would be interesting to see the airport operate more destinations to Far East Asia or maybe even Australia..? United has a pretty good hub going over at IAD.

Also, BA is set to introduce the A380 service to IAD beginning September 1st!


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 2):
I think one flight that could do well here but isn't served is DEL. Sizeable indian population and a good candidate flight.

How about TLV?

Yeah, I'm shcoked TLV is not connected and I can see DEL or mumbai in the future. Its a nice medium size hub. I think the 787 will be great in IAD as it doesn't need the huge capacity of the A380 on most routes. Emirates and Etihad recently connected DC to UAE though. There is also a flight JNB which is nice. Is Tokyo connected?


User currently offlinewashingtonflyer From Bouvet Island, joined Sep 2013, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

NRT, PEK, and ICN are the three east asian cities.

User currently offlineAvibeast From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

NRT is connected by United and ANA. Yeah, strange that TLV isn't served.. I think the B/A Concourse would be enough to fill up all the international flights that are not United operated. Singapore, Bangkok, Sydney, or even Eastern Europe perhaps? JFK ofcourse exceeds IAD in international destinations, but for serving the US Capital, it would be nice to see a couple of additions to international routes.

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1687 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

I agree--BOM or DEL would be a great addition.

Having grown up in Northern Virginia, IAD was always a cheap date when I was in high school in the late 60's. Twenty-two mile drive out there on the access road, a quiet outside viewing area to watch "The" airplane takeoff or land and then a coke in the terminal. And to think Washingtonians used to deride it as "The Great White Elephant."



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User currently offlineAvibeast From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

DTWPurserBoy, I wish you could still watch planes like that in IAD! Unfortunately, plane spotting is pain in IAD unlike in DCA.. Wish the airport had plane spotting potential besides the air and space museum which costs $15 to park before 4 when all the European heavies usually land..

Would be interesting to see how Air China will do against United's current operation to PEK..


User currently offlineNatflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2013, 167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
I should add that as an IAD lover for international travel, I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of as far as their international coverage is concerned -- the Air China to PEK is great, but the roster of airlines and destinations is still quite respectable I'd say and I have no complaints.

Arriving at IAD in the mid to late afternoon rush can´t be anybody´s favourite. Those archaic "mobile lounges", a ´70s era idea and the poorly manned CBP facility. Arrived there recently and there was chaos, the CBP officer told me, 1500 pax in about an hour and 10 CBP Officers. Shameful for the Capital´s International Airport.


User currently offlinewashingtonflyer From Bouvet Island, joined Sep 2013, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

I assume there is a variant of the 777 that can make DEL-IAD? I see Air India flies EWR-DEL which is 200 miles closer.

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1687 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 9):
Those archaic "mobile lounges", a ´70s era idea and the poorly manned CBP facility

The mobile lounges go back to when President Kennedy opened the airport in 1962. They have been rebuilt so many times--one operator told me that they actually had to machine-make some parts for them.

They are kind of iconic to IAD--that and the booming male voice that used to make the flight arrival and departure announcements and the "flip-flip-flip" sound as the flight information boards changed.



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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 9):
Arriving at IAD in the mid to late afternoon rush can´t be anybody´s favourite. Those archaic "mobile lounges", a ´70s era idea and the poorly manned CBP facility. Arrived there recently and there was chaos, the CBP officer told me, 1500 pax in about an hour and 10 CBP Officers. Shameful for the Capital´s International Airport.

The mobile lounges really arent that bad. After flying 8 hours you're tired anyways, you sit on the mobile lounge, get a decent view of the planes/airfield... and they drop you right at the CBP area. If its not one thing its another. In Miami you walk what feels like 100 miles (everyone practically scrambling) to get to the customs/passport control area. THEN it takes forever to get through the line and your chances of getting pulled to xray for customs in Miami seem 5x as high. Other airports you take some sort of an automated train, which isn't that awesome either.... you just get crammed into the train... it's really not that different.

I dont think the lines at IAD are that much worse than MIA, ORD, and LHR when they are very busy. Such is the nature of travel. You deal with it or else you become a miserable person.

AA777


User currently offlineAvibeast From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

I think due to the 1960s design, they have no choice but to continue using the mobile lounges.. Which Don't find too bad after arriving . You get dropped off at CBP right away. I was lucky last summer. My air france flight landed an hour late in the afternoon after the European arrival rush.. Even though the airport has a way to go to get on level with Singapore, ICN or even Amsterdam Schipohl, I love the airport and it's unique design, was born and raised in the DC area and have always used it for international travel.. Waiting to see what the future has in store for IAD. Wish there were more plane spotting opportunities!

User currently offlinejfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2522 times:

I read a while ago that IAD had more flights to the Middle East than any other US airport. Is that still the case?

As for new flights to add, I'd say BER, TLV, and SIN would be good candidates.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 2):
You could see some more capital flights that we don't have now (or used to have): OSL, MAD, ATH, etc.

I think TXL-IAD is one of the most glaring gaps at IAD, I really dont think TXL will happen but I do have some hope that BER-IAD will become a reality at some point down the road.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 9):
Arrived there recently and there was chaos, the CBP officer told me, 1500 pax in about an hour and 10 CBP Officers. Shameful for the Capital´s International Airport.

I mean shameful is a little over the top but certainly antiquated. I like the mobile lounges but they are expensive and apparently gas guzzlers. If anything is shameful, it is the very long lines at CBP. They always look overwhelmed and unfriendly in the non-US citizen line.

There are a number of flights to/from the middle east at IAD including UA. I suspect at some point Etihad or UA will reduce frequency. There seems to be too much lift. TK also started to IST not too long ago along with Qatar going to Doha.

I would love to see SIN or SYD added. I don't think any plane can make it to SYD non-stop though.


User currently offlineLoudounHound From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

For the Euro area, TLV and BER will happen sooner rather than later. Secondary *A markets like WAW may happen down the road. LIS, OSL, ATH and MXP are less likely in the short term.

The African market has a lot of potential. Royal Air Maroc was supposed to start CMN a couple years ago. If Egypt settles down, CAI will happen. LOS and NBO are also possibilities.

In Asian, I wouldn't be surprised to see UA add ICN to compete against KE, but I don't anticipate too many other new Asian routes. HKG and TPE are longshots.

In the South American market, LIM, GIG, SCL, BSB, CCS and EZE come to mind. The most likely within the next couple years is LIM. I think we can also anticipate a couple Caribbean leisure destinations, and perhaps something in Central America like SJO.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting LoudounHound (Reply 17):

The African market has a lot of potential. Royal Air Maroc was supposed to start CMN a couple years ago. If Egypt settles down, CAI will happen. LOS and NBO are also possibilities.
Quoting LoudounHound (Reply 17):
In the South American market, LIM, GIG, SCL, BSB, CCS and EZE come to mind. The most likely within the next couple years is LIM. I think we can also anticipate a couple Caribbean leisure destinations, and perhaps something in Central America like SJO.

Yeah good points. I think you're right. Africa and Latin America are probably where the future growth is at. Plus IAD is far enough south some A320s can reach Central American destinations.


User currently offlinecrazyguineapig From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

To everyone who suggested TLV: That would be a great destination for IAD, problem is El Al's widebody fleet seems to have a pretty full schedule. I wonder why UA hasn't (re)introduced TLV.

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 15):

Word, good call

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 10):

I'd assume at least one leg of the flight would have to stop somewhere to DEL if a 772LR was carrying enough weight. The only reason I say this is because one leg of IAD-ADD with Ethiopian has to stop in Rome, even with the 772LR. But don't just take my word for it I'm not too familiar with the range of MTOW 772LR. DEL or any metropolis of India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh would be an automatic success for IAD, the only issue with the Pakistani or Bengali destinations is that anything further than DEL may really be pushing on range, but I'm not 100% sure.


EDIT: Just saw LoudounHound's post about north Africa, sorry for repeating. I completely agree though, any destination to northern Africa could be a big hit. Lots and lots of Moroccans, Egyptians, Algerians here!

If relations between US and Iran improve some more, boy would IAD-IKA be a really, really interesting flight. I know, some people are going to say it's way too unrealistic (JFK would come first I guess) and too long of a flight but if anyone lives in the Northern VA area you'll agree that the amount of Persian folks here would justify at least considering such a route!

Come on guys. You gotta love the mobile lounges. Maybe with the "skytrain" they won't last much longer, so we should enjoy their uniqueness while we can I think  

[Edited 2014-03-27 19:35:48]

User currently offlineAvibeast From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Royal Air Maroc with CMN would be great, it would provide a connection point to Western Africa and even to the gulf region.. BER would be interesting but how would it compete against the two big German Hubs of Frankfurt and Munich? Once United gets the new concourse built, that could change operations for them and increase the number of international destinations. The current. C/D concourse is a dump unfortunately!

User currently offlineAvibeast From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

At one point in the late 1990s, PIA use to operate an IAD-Karachi /Islamabad flight I remember.. Any potential in Central Asia maybe?? Tashkent, Almaty, or even Baku, Tblisi?

User currently offlineMWAAdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2013, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting crazyguineapig (Reply 19):
The only reason I say this is because one leg of IAD-ADD with Ethiopian has to stop in Rome, even with the 772LR.

The reason that this flight has to make a stop coming back west is because of the altitude and climate of ADD. The runway just isn't long enough to facilitate a non-stop back to IAD.


User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6167 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting Avibeast (Reply 6):
Singapore, Bangkok, Sydney



Not a chance. Way out of the range of any aircraft profitabliy.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineaf022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 9):
Arriving at IAD in the mid to late afternoon rush can´t be anybody´s favourite

I've arrived a few times at IAD from Ethiopian's flight from Addis and it has been a breeze to get through passport control. I've started thinking about this when arriving other airports too. If I fly New York home to Paris I always take the last flight on AF because it the only arrival flight at that hour at CDG from overseas. This can save me hours sometimes.


25 adamh8297 : Three letters: E W R
26 Avibeast : Yup! that makes a difference in security waiting times in IAD. I flew the Air France flight that was suppose to arrive at 12:30 in the afternoon. It
27 YoungDon : I took UA from PEK to IAD a few months back and the flight arrived around 1930 or so. The lines at immigration were very short (as I believe we were
28 eastern023 : LAN (LP) has filed for LIM-IAD but never started. GIG and SAL were recently axed (or about to) by UA from IAD. For us Washingtonians JFK/EWR, MIA or
29 Viscount724 : I think it's mainly the elevation. Like most cities above 7,000 ft., ADD rarely experiences very high temperatures. According to Wikipedia, the recor
30 Fastphilly : Washington DC has a nice mix of foreign carriers for a market it's size. Plus the international network out of IAD isn't so focused on one region so t
31 flyiguy : Between 0700-1300 you have ET, EK, SA, NH, KE, AV, CM, & AM Between 1300-2400 you have KL, TK, CM, AV, QR, SN, SV, SU, EY, LH, OS, SK, BA, AF, VS
32 ua900 : Nothing against Berlin but the connections and facilities that FRA and MUC have just can't be matched by BER under any current plan of theirs. Curren
33 Natflyer : I think FI is there as well in the afternoon?
34 flyiguy : Yup, forgot about Iceland Air...They are seasonal but still the flight departs around 1900. FLY
35 RayChuang : I do think we'll see a flight from IAD to BER once the new Berlin Brandenburg Airport finally opens. The reason is simple: a lot of traffic by governm
36 bjorn14 : I think IAD-BOM/DEL is doable. KL had a one-stop to DEL in the early 2000's because of all the Indians that flew the route.
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