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ANA To Buy 70 New Aircraft  
User currently onlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 624 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 26469 times:

Bloomberg Tweeted that 40 will be from Boeing and 30 will be from Airbus. Total: $17 billion.


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I am thinking either 777 or 787 on the Boeing side and A330 or A350 on the Airbus side. Sorry if I am wrong.

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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 26416 times:

You could be right but then again it could be narrowbodies also.


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User currently offlinejumboforever From Japan, joined Jul 2005, 200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26256 times:

Official Press Release
http://www.anahd.co.jp/en/pr/201403/20140327.html

Extract:
ANA HD has decided to purchase twenty Boing 777-9X, a large twin-aisle aircraft with 15% larger seating capacity, as a successor to its existing fleet of Boeing 777-300ERs. In addition, ANA HD will purchase six further Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to support the expansion of its international services until delivery of Boeing 777-9X.


User currently onlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26141 times:

Here is the Reuters link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...dings-boeing-idUST9N0MD00W20140327

I think the 777-9X order is good for the program. Where do they intend to go with these new long haul planes? Will there be a net increase in the amount or are they solely being used to replace old e/q?

Will the Airbuses be used to replace the 737s? I do not mean to turn this into an A vs. B thread, but ANA has been such a loyal Boeing customer, I was not expecting a mixed order between the two manufacturers.

[Edited 2014-03-26 22:55:34]


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26175 times:

The airline is buying seven A320neo models and 23 A321neo planes from Airbus. From Boeing, ANA agreed to buy 20 777-9X, 14 787-9 and six 777-300ER, according to the statement.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...for-airbus-boeing-aircraft-today-1



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User currently onlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26058 times:

Quoting jumboforever (Reply 2):
ANA HD will purchase six further Boeing 777-300ER aircraft

What is ANA HD and why do you think they feel the need to order planes that will be here sooner rather than just waiting until the -9Xs?



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26063 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 3):
Will the Airbuses be used to replace the 737s? I do not mean to turn this into an A vs. B thread, but ANA has been such a loyal Boeing customer, I was not expecting a mixed order between the two manufacturers.

It was probably as simple as being the better aircraft for their route system. Also, while ANA has operated A320s for a while now, gone are the days of airlines being very loyal to one OEM.  

[Edited 2014-03-26 23:26:47]


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User currently onlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26063 times:

Bloomberg now Tweeted the cost is $16.6 billion.


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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 1334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25878 times:

Great news for Boeing. Great news for the 779 and the 789.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7321 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25802 times:

I'd say that Airbus are disappointed with the lack of success with wide bodies.


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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25657 times:

It's no blow to Boeing: ANA is just replacing its 16 A320s with 30 planes split between A320s and A321s. The bulk of the order in terms of dollars just went to Boeing.

As it should be: America has Japan's six, at a time when that protection is becoming increasingly-important. Europe, not so much.

[Edited 2014-03-26 23:25:21]

User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25561 times:

I'm guessing by the number of NEOs that a further MAX order is not ruled out?


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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25556 times:

Very smart order being placed by ANA here for both the WB and NB types. So with this B779X order, the chances of the A380 ever being ordered by them have been wiped out !

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12901 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25398 times:
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Quoting wjcandee (Reply 10):
It's no blow to Boeing: ANA is just replacing its 16 A320s with 30 planes split between A320s and A321s.

Really? It wasn't that long ago that ANA said they were transitioning to an all-Boeing fleet. They have a larger 737NG fleet, so why not MAX?   

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 10):
As it should be: America has Japan's six, at a time when that protection is becoming increasingly-important. Europe, not so much.

Maybe someone should have told JAL?   



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25374 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
Really? It wasn't that long ago that ANA said they were transitioning to an all-Boeing fleet. They have a larger 737NG fleet, so why not MAX?   

Who is to say they will not eventually order it?



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25112 times:

From flightglobal:

Quote:
ANA will also order seven Airbus A320neo aircraft, and 23 A321neos to replace its existing fleet of 737-500s and baseline A320s.

If thats true, then there is potential for a MAX order as well to replace the NGs. However, a Followup NEO order isnt out of the question as well.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-70-777s-787s-and-a320neos-397485/



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User currently offlinekengo From Japan, joined Apr 2013, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24900 times:

Good decision by ANA, IMO, keeps both camps happy.

On other news, JAL's subsidiary, JTA, will order 12 737-800s to replace aging -400s.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...socean-air-announce-070800029.html


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24788 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 4):
ANA agreed to buy 20 777-9X, 14 787-9 and six 777-300ER, according to the statement.

How many current generation 777 delivery slots does Boeing have left to sell?


User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 1334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24553 times:

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 11):
I'm guessing by the number of NEOs that a further MAX order is not ruled out?

Most NEOs are A321 and I think it is consensus that the A321NEO is superior to the 739MAX in most aspects. That does not rule out 738MAXs for future replacements.


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24402 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 10):
As it should be: America has Japan's six, at a time when that protection is becoming increasingly-important. Europe, not so much.

Or, instead of chest banging, ANA bought aircraft that suit their needs? A concept so often overlooked on these boards...  



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24187 times:

The biggest surprise perhaps is the lack of the 787-10, many people including myself believed ANA would also buy the largest 787 variant.

I did not expect A321s, that's a major capacity increase for their A320 fleet.



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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 1334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24032 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
I did not expect A321s, that's a major capacity increase for their A320 fleet.

I think it makes sense, it reduces the gap between the 787 and the 738. Those A321 can increase capacity where they replace A320 or might replace 767-300 where those are too big.


User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23951 times:

Looks good for the next decade in Japan when the NH 779's will go head to head on the long-haul routes with JL's A35J's.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23855 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 22):
Looks good for the next decade in Japan when the NH 779's will go head to head on the long-haul routes with JL's A35J's.

Interesting, isn't? Two competitors with two different products / strategies.



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User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3073 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23638 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
I'd say that Airbus are disappointed with the lack of success with wide bodies.

Perhaps, though it would have been a mighty ask and amazing achievement for Airbus to have broken Boeing's grip on the long haul fleets of both JAL and ANA in one go.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
I did not expect A321s, that's a major capacity increase for their A320 fleet.

Me neither. However, I would imagine Airbus are delighted with this order.

The A321neo continues on its quest to be the airframe of choice in its size. The fact this order has come from Japan and ANA speaks volumes of its superiority over the B739MAX for ANA's requirements.

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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24849 times:

Hello guys

So in the future (2027 fiscal year) the range on ANA long haul will be

787-8 242 PAX (3 class typical only for comparison sake)
787-9 280 PAX
777-9 407 PAX

Coming from
787-8 242 PAX
787-9 280 PAX
777-200 301 PAX
777-300ER 365PAX
747-400 405PAX

Can we see a gap for something like A350-900 /-1000 later?


User currently offlineCrimsonChin From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2014, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24416 times:

Good for Airbus, considering ANA seemed to be moving towards an all Boeing short&long haul fleet, it's a bit surprising the A321 got in here. Also, not surprising with the 777-9X order, it would have been very, very hard for Airbus to have pulled off both ANA and JAL and the 777X was most likely a good fit.

User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24811 times:

I would have been very surprised if Airbus had managed to swing ANA also into it's WB camp. As shown there may be a gap in the future for the A350-1000 but a lot of the 777 classics will be quite young and hence have a long life.

I am sure that ANA used the JAL defection and Boeings determination not to lose both to secure a very good price on these frames.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24576 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 25):
So in the future (2027 fiscal year) the range on ANA long haul will be

787-8 242 PAX (3 class typical only for comparison sake)
787-9 280 PAX
777-9 407 PAX

Taking ANA cabin configuration into account, 787-8 will most likely carry around 220 passengers, -9 around 250 and 777-9 around 300. Note these numbers refer to their intercontinental, premium-heavy cabins with 9/10-abreast economy sections for 787 and 777, respectively.

[Edited 2014-03-27 02:27:39]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 29, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24559 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 25):
So in the future (2027 fiscal year) the range on ANA long haul will be
Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 25):
Can we see a gap for something like A350-900 /-1000 later?

I don't think so, ANA has a different fleet strategy. The 787-9 will replace the 777-200ER while the 777-9 will replace the 777-300ER. It may seem like a big gap between those aircraft but the 777X will probably have a 4-class cabin, versus 2- and 3-class on the 787-9. Capacity wise, those jets will be close to each other.



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User currently offlinefaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24451 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 6):

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 3):
Will the Airbuses be used to replace the 737s? I do not mean to turn this into an A vs. B thread, but ANA has been such a loyal Boeing customer, I was not expecting a mixed order between the two manufacturers.

It was probably as simple as being the better aircraft for their route system. Also, while ANA has operated A320s for a while now, gone are the days of airlines being very loyal to one OEM.

Rather the days of a whole country being very loyal to its victor.

I still recall a coffee mug I received as a gift in 1980's with the inscription "Made in Occupied Japan" on the bottom, it was only in 1952 that the "Occupied" bit was removed. Japan as a whole remained very *very* loyal to the US for quite a long while...


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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24002 times:

Karel

ANA has 3 classes 777-200ER,but you are right, i checked, door to door length is higher in the 787-9 than in the 777-200ER, so indeed 787-9 can have a higher seat count if J class is direct access to aisle for each seat.
If not, the -200ER still might have some more seats.
But order covers 2016-2027 timeframe
So can we assume in 2027 787-8 / 787-9 and 777-9 only ?
There's room for either 787-10 / 777-8 or A350's


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 32, posted (9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24157 times:

Here are the first computer renders:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/aenw8z.jpg

http://www.anahd.co.jp/en/pr/201403/20140327.html



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User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1664 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23452 times:

reply 20
The biggest surprise perhaps is the lack of the 787-10, many people including myself believed ANA would also buy the largest 787 variant.

I don't know their route structure well (mix of route lengths). But I would tend to agree with you that there is lightly to be a place for such an aircraft in this new fleet going forwards. The gap between the 789 and the 779 is large and both have very long legs.


User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 481 posts, RR: 11
Reply 34, posted (9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23429 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 17):
How many current generation 777 delivery slots does Boeing have left to sell?

Quite a few, I'd say, given that the 777X won't EIS until ~2020.
777 Classic backlog as of March 18th is 304. At 8.3/month production rates, that equals 36.6 months, or just over three years' worth of production. That leaves a gap of around three years to fill before 777X EIS. At current production rates, that 3-year gap equals ~300 production slots to fill.
Unless of course they reduce production rates before the 777X come on-line. That's what I would in fact expect. Demand will dwindle somewhat in the lead-up to the 777X, partly due to the imminent 777X, partly because the A350 will be joining fleets in numbers by then.

Quoting StTim (Reply 27):
I would have been very surprised if Airbus had managed to swing ANA also into it's WB camp.

True - Boeing (and particularly its local sales team) had every incentive to retain ANA as a widebody customer, given JAL's "defection".



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 35, posted (9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23355 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-70-777s-787s-and-a320neos-397485/

"Engine selection for the 787s and A320s will be announced when the order is firmed."

However...

http://otp.investis.com/clients/uk/r...y-story.aspx?cid=171&newsid=400301


"Rolls-Royce has been selected by All Nippon Airways (ANA) to provide Trent 1000 engines, worth $1.1bn, to power 25 Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft. The airline already has 55 of the aircraft in service or on order, all powered by the Trent 1000."

Eighty 787s with Trents.   


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 36, posted (9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 35):
"Engine selection for the 787s and A320s will be announced when the order is firmed."

According their own press release, ANA also selected the PW1100G for the A320s.

http://www.anahd.co.jp/en/pr/201403/20140327.html

[Edited 2014-03-27 03:55:56]


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User currently onlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4992 posts, RR: 41
Reply 37, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21799 times:
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Quoting kengo (Reply 16):
Good decision by ANA, IMO, keeps both camps happy.

Indeed they do. But I am sure ANA are the happiest with their decision since they no doubt ordered the airplanes which they believe will work best for them.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 25):
So in the future (2027 fiscal year) the range on ANA long haul will be

Up till 2027 is a very long time from now. That is the surprising part of these orders to me. Still congrats to all parties are due.   .


User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 2311 posts, RR: 53
Reply 38, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21610 times:
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According to the press release, here are the expected year of delivery and the number of orders
http://www.anahd.co.jp/en/pr/201403/20140327.html



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 39, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21323 times:

Pic or it didn't happen:



http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/13450090503/



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21149 times:

Wow that is some uplift in price between the 777-300ER and the 777-9X

User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21129 times:
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Quoting seahawk (Reply 18):
Most NEOs are A321 and I think it is consensus that the A321NEO is superior to the 739MAX in most aspects. That does not rule out 738MAXs for future replacements.

The consensus of WHOM Exactly?? You cannot be serious!


User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3073 posts, RR: 23
Reply 42, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21051 times:
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Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 41):
The consensus of WHOM Exactly?? You cannot be serious!

Care to educate us as to how the B739MAX outperforms and is superior to the A321neo?

I'm genuinely intrigued and interested to hear from your perspective.

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Reply 43, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21063 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 39):
Pic or it didn't happen:

Even though she has a more massive fuselage then the A340-600, from this angle the B777-9 (which is even longer than the A340-600) looks "too long" for the best looking version of the program. The B777-8 will look better since imho it has the better proportions.


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Reply 44, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20805 times:
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Quoting TC957 (Reply 22):
Looks good for the next decade in Japan when the NH 779's will go head to head on the long-haul routes with JL's A35J's.

Looking from the outside in, to me that shows NH feels they can grow long-haul traffic whereas JL feels they won't.

NH ordering more 777-300ERs also makes me wonder if they feel they can keep their domestic traffic strong and we'll see them replace their 514-seat 777-300s with 514-seat 777-300ERs when it comes time to retire the former.



Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
The biggest surprise perhaps is the lack of the 787-10, many people including myself believed ANA would also buy the largest 787 variant.



They may still yet do so, but the 787-9 can be a direct replacement for the 777-200 as both offer the same cabin length. And as their new 787-8 markets grow in traffic, they can easily transition into the 787-9.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
I did not expect A321s, that's a major capacity increase for their A320 fleet.

I didn't, as well, but it does make sense to me.

The A321-200neo gives them a new capacity tier between their A320-200 / 737-800 and 767-300 / 787-8 fleets. It can work to expand domestic and regional services that are outgrowing the smaller plane, as well as allow for down-sizing domestic and regional services that no longer justify a 767-300. It should also allow them to grow capacity on their two(?) 737-700ER services. And the A321-200neo is all-around a better plane than the 737-9 in that market segment.

By significantly decreasing their A320-200 fleet (from 18 classics to 7 neos), IMO that improves the chances for a quite large future 737-8 order to replace the 737-700 and 737-800 fleet.



Quoting seahawk (Reply 18):
I think it is consensus that the A321NEO is superior to the 739MAX in most aspects.
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 41):
The consensus of WHOM Exactly??

Just compare the order books for the two models. And before you claim that the earlier ATO and EIS favor the A320neo, Boeing has sold 75% as many 737-8 as Airbus has the A320-200neo compared to 33% as many 737-9 as A321-200neo.

And looking within each family, the A321-200neo makes up 21% of the A320neo family order book, whereas the 737-9 makes up only 10% of the MAX order book. So even Boeing's MAX customers are not very bullish on the 737-9.

[Edited 2014-03-27 10:23:55]

User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20780 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 41):

The consensus of WHOM Exactly?? You cannot be serious!

You only need to look at the relevant sales of the two variants to see which one is the much preferred option. That is from many airline fleet planning departments so I think they are pretty serious.


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20061 times:
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The 737-9 Max is the last gasp of an airframe originally designed in the 60's. The proof is in the sales figures as to what airlines prefer in that category. Unfortunately, Boeing was forced to rush out the Max in response the NEO offering and the sales figures reflect what the airlines world-wide think.

It would be a good idea for Boeing to go back to the drawing boards on a new narrow body line once the 777X is firmed up design-wise. A large narrow body a/c with 757-like performance characteristics would be great given the air travel growth in Asia and slot restrictions at an increasing number of airports around the world.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 47, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20012 times:

What a great order. The A321neo makes a lot of sense as its bound to be an excellent aircraft and should give Boeing further indication that they need to work on their offering in this space. 779 has been projected but it is exciting to see it come to fruition. For me, and maybe others disagree, this puts to rest the 9-abreast vs 10-abreast argument. After CX, QR, LH and now ANA I feel very confident that 10-abreast is expected and will be broadly acceptable to operators.

80 787s is a monster fleet. Even with the well publicized issues, ANA has topped up a couple of times. They seem to have confidence in it. At this point they will be the largest operator.

This seems to be the first of Boeing's strategy to pair 77W orders with 77X orders.

I agree with Karel that it is interesting that a 787-10 order hasn't come along although they will have enough options.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 17):
How many current generation 777 delivery slots does Boeing have left to sell?

I am sure they would take 400-500 orders if airlines were offering. I am sure they would like to keep producing the current 777 even while the 777x is rolling off the lines. This includes the 77F which doesn't have a replacement on the horizon.

In reality I think they will need a production rate decrease in 2016/2017 time frame.

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 24):
The A321neo continues on its quest to be the airframe of choice in its size

It is making a very convincing argument.

Quoting anfromme (Reply 34):
Demand will dwindle somewhat in the lead-up to the 777X, partly due to the imminent 777X, partly because the A350 will be joining fleets in numbers by then.

It will decline for sure but I think there will be overlap much like the A330 still selling while the 787 has been in service for years.

tortugamon


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5856 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19584 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 17):
How many current generation 777 delivery slots does Boeing have left to sell?

I understand they still have about 1.5 to 2 years of production to sell, probably 200 or so slots, assuming they keep the rate steady. It will be an uphill lift for the last few.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 25):
Can we see a gap for something like A350-900 /-1000 later?

I think the more natural candidate to fill the gap remains the 787-10. I wouldn't be surprised, either, to see some of the -9 orders converted to -10 at a later date.


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 49, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19529 times:
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Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 41):
The consensus of WHOM Exactly?? You cannot be serious!

That will be the market, I'd guess...

A321 - 573 firm so far.
737-9MAX - 184 firm so far

Seriously ....

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 46):
The 737-9 Max is the last gasp of an airframe originally designed in the 60's.

I get the impression that the 739MAX is that "step" too far for what has been a great airframe.

The 7378MAX in contrast looks like it's doing just fine - I'm sure that it's extra 2m of cabin gives it a competitive edge to offset any other shortcomings (if it has any)

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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8777 posts, RR: 3
Reply 50, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18975 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 49):
A321 - 573 firm so far.
737-9MAX - 184 firm so far

Airbus was offered about twice as long as Boeing IIRC...   

It seems crazy that ANA is already "replacing" the 77W. It beggars belief.


User currently onlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18945 times:

184 for the 737-9?

Wiki says 413

737-8 Max = 1147

737-7 Max = 55

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31444 posts, RR: 85
Reply 52, posted (9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18228 times:
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Quoting holzmann (Reply 51):
184 for the 737-9?
Wiki says 413

A number of those model assignments are assumptions. Lion Air, for example, have stated they will not be taking all 201 frames as 737-9s, but instead some will be -8s and some will be -9s.

Of course, the same applies to other sites - pdxlight.com, which is where we get the 184 737-9 sales figures, currently assigns all 201 as 737-8s, but they note that mix will change once LionAir firms their plans.

So the reality is that the number is somewhere between 184 and 413.


User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 481 posts, RR: 11
Reply 53, posted (9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17572 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 50):
Airbus was offered about twice as long as Boeing IIRC...

Not really.
MAX was announced on July 20th, 2011, about 7 1/2 months after NEO. (Industrial launch was later that year.)
So NEO has been on offer for 3 years, 3 months and just over 3 weeks at this point (launch 01-Dec-2010), while MAX has been on offer for 2 years, 8 months and 1 week.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 50):
It seems crazy that ANA is already "replacing" the 77W. It beggars belief.

Well, it'll be at least 6 years before they even receive their first 777X - at that point, their oldest 77W is going to be ~16 years old, their oldest 777 overall 25 years.



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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 54, posted (9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17217 times:

Will this aircraft order, when they get into service, change their service into ORD? Right now it is served by a 77W. Usually during the Chicago Blackhawks games there will be an ANA commercial showing their B787. I know the ads are not tailored for certain cities, but it would be nice to see some more B787s at ORD, and the commercial is a bit of a tease....even though the chances of me flying Chicago to Tokyo are none for the foreseeable future.


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 55, posted (9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16733 times:

Will ANA be using some of its 789s on domestic routes, as their eldest 772s aren't much of 20 yrs old now.

Presumably they could rotate them, keeping those used on domestic routes to an artificially low MTOW and of course, have a much denser config. In this day and age, given all the IFE fittings on long haul aircraft, would it be practical to change between International an domestic configs?


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 56, posted (9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 55):
Will ANA be using some of its 789s on domestic routes, as their eldest 772s aren't much of 20 yrs old now.

I believe their 787-9 order in September 2012 was intended to be for 772 replacement on domestic routes.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 57, posted (9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16115 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 43):
Even though she has a more massive fuselage then the A340-600, from this angle the B777-9 (which is even longer than the A340-600) looks "too long" for the best looking version of the program. The B777-8 will look better since imho it has the better proportions.

Yes, despite being a small stretch over the 77W, the 777-9 looks quite long from this angle. The following two pictures should restore the balance:



http://twitter.com/keith_h_af/status/449118806808354816

[Edited 2014-03-27 14:03:29]


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14889 times:

This plane is going to be gorgeous if it has nearly the wingflex of the 787.   


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7202 posts, RR: 50
Reply 59, posted (9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14546 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 58):
This plane is going to be gorgeous if it has nearly the wingflex of the 787.

I suspect it will, since the flex is largely a factor of the strength to stiffness ratio of the material, and since they are both CFRP they will likely be similar.



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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1735 posts, RR: 8
Reply 60, posted (9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14324 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 57):

Looking at both side views, I see the huge canoe fairings will be things of the past…


User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (9 months 6 days ago) and read 13624 times:
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Quoting StTim (Reply 40):
Wow that is some uplift in price between the 777-300ER and the 777-9X

18% doesn't seem like that much... Remember, those numbers are for the whole order.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 62, posted (9 months 6 days ago) and read 13709 times:
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Quoting seahawk (Reply 8):
Great news for Boeing. Great news for the 779 and the 789

The good news is they purchased 789 and 779 plus a few 77W too. The better news is they did NOT buy A350's. This keeps the A350 at JAL alone.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (9 months 6 days ago) and read 13229 times:

ANA are major air freight haulers on the trans- Pacific routes, They set up their aircraft with quite modest seat counts and utilize all the available belly volume for freight. Based on Ferpe's tables they can set up a 777-9 with say 300-passengers and can use the belly volume of about 30t to haul that load of ~ 58t westbound for 13.5 hrs. which is a typical JFK-NRT day

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 64, posted (9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12652 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 59):
I suspect it will, since the flex is largely a factor of the strength to stiffness ratio of the material, and since they are both CFRP they will likely be similar.

The A359's wings are CFRP and they don't have nearly the same flex. There are different wing design philosophies at play here. However, I agree with your premise that there will be tremendous wing flex on the 777x. Check out the 777x developments thread as they just registered a patent that seems to take even more structure out of the wings.

Quoting rwessel (Reply 61):
18% doesn't seem like that much... Remember, those numbers are for the whole order.

I think more to the point is that the price are for aircraft delivered in 2021. At 2.5-3% inflation adjustments those prices come 2021 will be significantly higher.

tortugamon


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8048 posts, RR: 5
Reply 65, posted (9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12344 times:

My guess: ANA will assign the 779 to routes from NRT to YVR, JFK, SFO, LAX, HKG, SIN, SYD (maybe MEL), LHR and FRA. It'll be very interesting to see if JL will assign the A35J to compete against NH on these routes by 2020.

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10671 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 15):
From flightglobal:

Quote:ANA will also order seven Airbus A320neo aircraft, and 23 A321neos to replace its existing fleet of 737-500s and baseline A320s.
If thats true, then there is potential for a MAX order as well to replace the NGs. However, a Followup NEO order isnt out of the question as well.

If NH had selected LEAP-X, perhaps the MAX had a chance. With P&W powered neo's, this doesn't make much sense IMO.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 17):
How many current generation 777 delivery slots does Boeing have left to sell?

Lots of them. Almost the entire production years 2018 and 2019.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
The biggest surprise perhaps is the lack of the 787-10, many people including myself believed ANA would also buy the largest 787 variant.

Yes, I had expected the -10 too.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 25):
Can we see a gap for something like A350-900 /-1000 later?

This should not be ruled out. Not sure what the omission of the -10 means: either they don't need something that size (which doesn't bode well for a future A350 order), or NH needs more range the -10 has (which is good for a possible A350 order).

Quoting StTim (Reply 27):
I am sure that ANA used the JAL defection and Boeings determination not to lose both to secure a very good price on these frames.

Yes, I expect NH to be named as one of the 777X launch customers - with the launch discounts that accompany such a pleasure...

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 19):
Or, instead of chest banging, ANA bought aircraft that suit their needs? A concept so often overlooked on these boards...

  

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 47):
After CX, QR, LH and now ANA I feel very confident that 10-abreast is expected and will be broadly acceptable to operators.

Will be interesting what SQ will do... They haven't ordered a replacement for their 77W's yet. They have conversion rights for A359s to -1000s. But were also said to be in talks with Boeing about a 777-9 order.

[Edited 2014-03-28 01:13:15]


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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10608 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 58):
This plane is going to be gorgeous if it has nearly the wingflex of the 787.

Current 777-300ER, when at MTOW, already produces the same amount of wingflex on takeoff as the 787:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkIy6FbX5cY

It is truly wonderful and amazing piece of flying machinery.



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 38):

Reflecting on this table again the catalog price for the 777-300 must be wrong.


User currently onlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4992 posts, RR: 41
Reply 69, posted (9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10035 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 57):
Yes, despite being a small stretch over the 77W, the 777-9 looks quite long from this angle. The following two pictures should restore the balance:

Especially in the second picture the looks are better in proportion. Still the B777-8 will be the better looking version of the two.

But then again, it is not about how the airplane looks, but how good it will perform.  


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9908 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 69):
the B777-8 will be the better looking version of the two.

It should be the best looking of all 777 versions IMHO. 772 is just too short, 773 just too long. I'm hoping for more 777-8 orders   

But the chances are slim   



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 71, posted (9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 66):
Yes, I expect NH to be named as one of the 777X launch customers - with the launch discounts that accompany such a pleasure...

How many launch customers can one model have? The scheduled deliveries for this order is not until 2021 which sounds too late for a launch order to me.

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User currently onlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4992 posts, RR: 41
Reply 72, posted (9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9306 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 71):
The scheduled deliveries for this order is not until 2021 which sounds too late for a launch order to me.

For me too. There will no doubt be quite a large group of customers at the 2019/2020 EIS of the B777-X. But the real launch customers (with possibly the best discounts) are in my opinion only LH, EK and QR.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 73, posted (9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 66):
Will be interesting what SQ will do... They haven't ordered a replacement for their 77W's yet. They have conversion rights for A359s to -1000s. But were also said to be in talks with Boeing about a 777-9 order.

The acid test might be if they want to fly LAX-SIN non-stop. At about 17.5hrs westbound Ferpe's tables suggest the 777-9X is good for about 36t of payload and the A35J at about 28t.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31444 posts, RR: 85
Reply 74, posted (9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8851 times:
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Quoting frigatebird (Reply 66):
If NH had selected LEAP-X, perhaps the MAX had a chance. With P&W powered neo's, this doesn't make much sense IMO.

If NH was planning a full-scale switch from the 737 to the A320, I would expect them to have ordered more A320-200neos.

I still believe the MAX-8 will be the bulk of their narrowbody fleet and the decision to order the A321 with GTFs was a decision driven by mission parameters that favored it over a 737-9 MAX with LEAP-X.



Quoting frigatebird (Reply 66):
Not sure what the omission of the -10 means: either they don't need something that size (which doesn't bode well for a future A350 order), or NH needs more range the -10 has (which is good for a possible A350 order).

While NH is moving to 10-abreast on some of their 777-300ER fleet (which likely influenced the decision to buy the 777-9), they seem to be staying with 9-abreast on their 777-200ERs and as such the 787-9 would allow them to maintain the same number of seats.


Quoting tortugamon (Reply 71):
How many launch customers can one model have?


The A380 had six and I am sure their original initial delivery schedules stretched years.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 75, posted (9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 72):
But the real launch customers (with possibly the best discounts) are in my opinion only LH, EK and QR.

I am on board with LH. Not sure about EK because they seem to not be super eager to be early customers for anything. You could be right though. I believe it has been stated that EY will be the launch customer for the 778 though.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 66):
Will be interesting what SQ will do... They haven't ordered a replacement for their 77W's yet. They have conversion rights for A359s to -1000s. But were also said to be in talks with Boeing about a 777-9 order.

It will be interesting but no longer critical. I felt like 777 operators needed to buy the 777x to give it credibility as the go-to in the 77W segment and I think enough customers have signed up now that it is going to be viewed that way. At least right now the A351 is being used for growth (ME3), 747 replacement (IAG, UA) and 773 replacement / 772 upgrades (CX, EK). I believe that JL is the only airline to signal the A351 as the 77W replacement but we are very early in that process.

I believe SQ will eventually order the 777x but I think the A351 makes a ton of sense for them. I believe they will order the 777x for the long haul routes where the extra seats will come in handy just as CX has done.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 73):
The acid test might be if they want to fly LAX-SIN non-stop. At about 17.5hrs westbound Ferpe's tables suggest the 777-9X is good for about 36t of payload and the A35J at about 28t.

SIN-EWR would be interesting as well.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
The A380 had six and I am sure their original initial delivery schedules stretched years.

I believe its not unusual for there to be more launch customers for new programs than for derivative aircraft.

tortugamon


User currently offlineBoeing778X From United States of America, joined Nov 2013, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 70):
It should be the best looking of all 777 versions IMHO. 772 is just too short, 773 just too long. I'm hoping for more 777-8 orders   

But the chances are slim

Agreed! The 777-8 looks nicely proportioned. Orders will pick up I'm sure.
EK was a good start. I Think the 777-8 would look GORGEOUS in UA's livery!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 77, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 75):
At least right now the A351 is being used for growth (ME3), 747 replacement (IAG, UA) and 773 replacement / 772 upgrades (CX, EK). I believe that JL is the only airline to signal the A351 as the 77W replacement but we are very early in that process.

Hm, CX only has 17 773 and 772 aircraft together and 26 A351s on order. They will either replace some 77W's as well or will use some for growth.

In the future, I expect the A351 to also replace A340's, 772ER's and more 9-abreast 77W's. In case of the A340 and 772ER it would allow growth while the A359 is only a 1:1 replacement.

[Edited 2014-03-28 14:33:08]


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 78, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

Airchive says that the 777-9x has a 4%+ CASM advantage over the A351 in ANA configuration

http://airchive.com/blog/2014/03/28/ana-order-analysis/

They have the seat count coming in around 300 which I think is accurate.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 79, posted (9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8254 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 78):
They have the seat count coming in around 300 which I think is accurate.

That cannot be correct. The Boeing config with tighter seats adds 42 seats if you go from a 9-abreast 77W to 10-abreast 779, and 21 seats if you go from a 10-abreast 77W to 10-abreast 779. The current ANA 77W fleet has 250 seats in 9-abreast, and 264 seats in 10-abreast. A figure around 280 seats seems more accurate.

[Edited 2014-03-28 14:44:19]


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 80, posted (9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 79):
That cannot be correct. The Boeing config with tighter seats adds 42 seats if you go from a 9-abreast 77W to 10-abreast 779, and 21 seats if you go from a 10-abreast 77W to 10-abreast 779.

Right, so 250+ 42 = 292. Pretty close.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 79):
The current ANA 77W fleet has 250 seats in 9-abreast, and 264 seats in 10-abreast. A figure between 270 and 280 seats seems more accurate.

Yeah good point. A 264 seat 10-abreast 77W. What a configuration ANA has. I guess it will depend on where they add the seats. I thought Boeing would re-do the aft fuse contour which would add another 8-seats but I have not heard anything about that so I am beginning to think they will not.

10 abreast 77W seat map:
http://www.ana.co.jp/int/inflight/seatmap/b777_300er_1/index.html

Any idea how many seats it would have been in A351 configuration? Probably the 250 they currently do.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 81, posted (9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 80):
Right, so 250+ 42 = 292.

You cannot use 42 additional seats because they only apply to the standard Boeing config. For example, the 10-abreast 77W has 21 more seats than the 9-abreast 77W (365 versus 386), while the ANA 10-abreast 77W only adds 14 seats. Mind you, Boeing uses a pretty tight seat pitch in J and F.

Therefore, 280-285 seats is more realistic I think.

The article probably combined the ANA and Boeing config, i.e. 250 + 42 (and rounded it up to 300) which is inaccurate. And for some reason, they talk about the "ANA 3 class 77W configuration" but the airline only has 2- and 4-class 77W cabins.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 80):
Pretty close.

When you work with small numbers like $0.0877, every seat can make a significant difference in the CASM figures.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 80):
I thought Boeing would re-do the aft fuse contour which would add another 8-seats but I have not heard anything about that so I am beginning to think they will not.

Boeing never confirmed changes to the aft section. We should find out next year, when Boeing freezes the design.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 80):
Any idea how many seats it would have been in A351 configuration? Probably the 250 they currently do.

The same as their 9-abreast 77W's.

As long as you don't have 10-abreast Y, the amount of seats should be the same.

[Edited 2014-03-28 16:03:52]


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 82, posted (9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
As long as you don't have 10-abreast Y, the amount of seats should be the same.

Or 7-abreast in J.

I wonder about some of these hearing bone configurations. I am not sure if these are accurate but some of these J configurations are turned at an angle so they can take up more width and less aircraft length. AA for example supposedly takes up only 43" of pitch for their 75"+ lie flat Js. In the narrower cabin of the A351 I wonder if there would be an impact to this. Probably the result would be very small but as you say, every seat counts.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 83, posted (9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8009 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 82):
Or 7-abreast in J.

Yes, although Airbus offers 7-abreast in J, 19" wide I believe. The ANA J seats on the 77W are 21".

[Edited 2014-03-28 15:44:17]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 84, posted (9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7870 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 5):
What is ANA HD

Short for "ANA Holdings". See the press release in the reply you're quoting.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 85, posted (9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7891 times:

I'm sure most of us have seen this drawing. I'd love to see the 777-100 added.

http://arpdesign.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/presentation_master-copy2.png



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 86, posted (9 months 5 days ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
When you work with small numbers like $0.0877, every seat can make a significant difference in the CASM figures.
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 82):
every seat counts.

In fact, when you divide $25.15 (cost per aircraft mile for the 779) by 285 seats, it gives you a CASM of $0,0882. It is now slightly higher than the A351. The trip cost will be a bit lower because less seats = less weight. But as you can see, a few seats more or less makes a lot of difference.

Regarding the 7-abreast in J, JAL also have 7-abreast:

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Jap...apan_Airlines_Boeing_777-300ER.php

As you can see, their 4-class cabin is almost the same as the ANA 77W's. Quite funny how this airline think the opposite in case of A350 versus 777W while having the same 77W product.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31444 posts, RR: 85
Reply 87, posted (9 months 5 days ago) and read 7805 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 80):
Any idea how many seats it would have been in A351 configuration? Probably the 250 they currently do.

The 777-300ER and A350-1000 have essentially identical cabin lengths.



Quoting tortugamon (Reply 80):
I thought Boeing would re-do the aft fuse contour which would add another 8-seats but I have not heard anything about that so I am beginning to think they will not.

That might require changes to the aft doors or aft pressure bulkhead and I am guessing Boeing doesn't want to go there.



Quoting tortugamon (Reply 82):
I wonder about some of these hearing bone configurations. I am not sure if these are accurate but some of these J configurations are turned at an angle so they can take up more width and less aircraft length...In the narrower cabin of the A351 I wonder if there would be an impact to this.

I don't think it will be an issue.

LH is doing the same 2+2+2 on their A330/A340 as they are on the 747-8, they just narrow the angle (and possibly narrow the aisle) and an A330/A340 is much narrower than a 747.

For those doing 1+2+1 on their 787s (like QR), it also should be a non-issue since the A350 is a bit wider than the 787.



Quoting N328KF (Reply 85):
I'm sure most of us have seen this drawing. I'd love to see the 777-100 added.

The 777-100 came in a couple of different lengths as it was discussed with customers.  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 86):
As you can see, their 4-class cabin is almost the same as the ANA 77W's. Quite funny how this airline think the opposite in case of A350 versus 777W while having the same 77W product.

It may be a sign that JL is expecting no traffic growth while NH is or JL is expecting that growth to come in one class at the expense of another, so overall the amount of cabin space they need will not change.


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Reply 88, posted (9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

NH taking the 77X is the least bit surprising to me, and probably the best choice for their fleet.

The 320s and 321s are not surprising, as their current fleet of 320s are aging significantly.

The 737 does not do much for their fleet at all, really. The 320neo series is probably going to be used significantly in intra-Asia markets.



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Reply 89, posted (9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 86):
As you can see, their 4-class cabin is almost the same as the ANA 77W's. Quite funny how this airline think the opposite in case of A350 versus 777W while having the same 77W product.

ANA's most popular 77W J configuration is 1-2-1 though. 7-abreast is more of a regional configuration I believe even though they do have it on their 77Ws and not just their 773s.

As the Airchive article points out I think it has to do with the HND slots and the larger route network giving them the extra demand.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 87):
That might require changes to the aft doors or aft pressure bulkhead and I am guessing Boeing doesn't want to go there.

I think we will hear about it soon enough if they are willing to make that change. 8-10 seats per aircraft would mean a lot of additional revenue for the airline and I could see that materializing in higher purchase prices if Boeing did the work. They are already changing the vertical stab.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 87):
For those doing 1+2+1 on their 787s (like QR), it also should be a non-issue since the A350 is a bit wider than the 787.

I think those that are interesting in going 1-2-1 on a 787 won't be deciding to change to a 2-2-2 on an A350. In fact any airline going 1-2-1 on a 787 I imagine would be doing the same on a 777.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 88):
The 320neo series is probably going to be used significantly in intra-Asia markets.

Quite the prediction. I don't think many were anticipating an A320 flying from Japan to anywhere not in Asia.

tortugamon


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Reply 90, posted (9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6827 times:
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Boeing released another rendering of ANA 777-9X


[Edited 2014-03-29 08:47:34]


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Reply 91, posted (9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6782 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 89):
I think those that are interesting in going 1-2-1 on a 787 won't be deciding to change to a 2-2-2 on an A350. In fact any airline going 1-2-1 on a 787 I imagine would be doing the same on a 777.

Agreed. I didn't say it, but my intention was to note that those who were 1+2+1 on a 787 would be 1+2+1 on an A350 and that would certainly fit thanks to the slightly wider cabin.

And indeed AF is going 1+2+1 across their fleet, including the 777.


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Reply 92, posted (9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Boeing must be breathing a huge sigh of relief as NH had much interest in the A350 following fellow Japanese carrier JL.


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Reply 93, posted (9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6352 times:
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Quoting bmacleod (Reply 92):
Boeing must be breathing a huge sigh of relief as NH had much interest in the A350 following fellow Japanese carrier JL.

Indeed, but it looks like NH sees growth in their future and that would have favored the 777X, anyway.


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Reply 94, posted (9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 92):
Boeing must be breathing a huge sigh of relief as NH had much interest in the A350 following fellow Japanese carrier JL.

It was well put by others that the choice of the -9X signifies their confidence that they can grow their share of the market . There is a lot of hearsay in this business , the Japanese are pretty inscrutable , I would doubt if any but the very closest to the fleet section process had any inkling of what ANA was really thinking.


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Given the large 737-800 fleet, the order for just 7 A320neo is a bit surprising.

The order for the A321neo is unexpected too IMO, remember NH used to operate 7(?) A321's some years back, interesting they now find a need for the type again, that said, good gap filler capacity wise between the 738 and 788.



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Reply 96, posted (9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6247 times:
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Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 95):
Given the large 737-800 fleet, the order for just 7 A320neo is a bit surprising.

It is not for me, but then I expect NH to choose the 737 MAX to replace their 737NG fleet and not the A320neo.



Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 95):
The order for the A321neo is unexpected too IMO, remember NH used to operate 7(?) A321's some years back, interesting they now find a need for the type again, that said, good gap filler capacity wise between the 738 and 788.

Speculation by at least one analyst is that NH is seeing stronger traffic on some 737 routes so the extra capacity of the A321 is beneficial. As to why they didn't just order 737-9(00ERs), perhaps runway performance at some of those airports is an issue (though I think they all see widebody services, so maybe not...).


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Another rendering of the ANA 777-9X
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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 98, posted (9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 87):

I've have a look at an A350-1000 with the same layout as 777-300ER with staggered biz in ANA layout.
My assumption : same First and Biz Layout. Same Y+ layout (maybe one extra seat per row on 777-9 is possible) and 10 abreast Y on 777-9 vs 9 abreast on A350
First, Biz and Eco+ seat count unchanged (so with bigger airplane, proportionnally more eco seats)

777-300ER is 8F/52J/24Y+/160Y @9 abreast = 250 PAX,
there's 20 row of 3+3+3 Econ that can be converted to 3+4+3
So ANA"s 777-300ER could become 8/52/24/186 = 270 PAX

Based on cabin length (and considering that A350-1000 is one door less than 777-300Er) I have
A350-1000 : 8/52/24/193 = 277 PAX

And for
777-9 (not considering the news exist layout, and not considering the additionnal LAV/Galley needed for extra PAX)° i have : 8/52/24/246 = 330 PAX

So airchive has a 300/255 ration for 777-9/A350-1000 = 1.18, and my estimate is 330/277 = 1.19, pretty much the same

777-9 for ANA is 53 more pax considering it all in J.

So average revenue per seat with this assumptions will be lower on the 777-9 than on the 777-300ER and A350-1000.

If you want to stay with the same J/total PAX ratio the 777-9 you need to add at least 1 ou 2 row of biz, that eats 3 row


So in the end, CASM is one thing, RASM is another, and loading bigger planes with more Eco seats won't help.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 99, posted (9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 98):
So ANA"s 777-300ER could become 8/52/24/186 = 270 PAX

They could, but they won't. Their 10-abreast 77W's will have 264 seats.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 98):
A350-1000 : 8/52/24/193 = 277 PAX

Based on the 77W + 1 row for the missing door, I'd say 264 + 9 = 273 seats.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 98):
777-9 (not considering the news exist layout, and not considering the additionnal LAV/Galley needed for extra PAX)° i have : 8/52/24/246 = 330 PAX

The 777-9 will have a 2.7 meters longer fuselage, it's physically impossible to add 6 Y rows.



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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 100, posted (9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

Yes Karel I made a big mistake on my spreadsheet...

But I can't edit my previous message so :
I've have a look at an A350-1000 with the same layout as 777-300ER with staggered biz in ANA layout.
My assumption : same First and Biz Layout. Same Y+ layout (maybe one extra seat per row on 777-9 is possible) and 10 abreast Y on 777-9 vs 9 abreast on A350
First, Biz and Eco+ seat count unchanged (so with bigger airplane, proportionnally more eco seats)

777-300ER is 8F/52J/24Y+/160Y @9 abreast = 250 PAX,
there's 20 row of 3+3+3 Econ that can be converted to 3+4+3
So ANA"s 777-300ER could become 8/52/24/186 = 270 PAX

Based on cabin length (and considering that A350-1000 is one door less than 777-300Er) I have
A350-1000 : 8/52/24/193 = 277 PAX

And for
777-9 (considering the new exit layout, and not considering the additionnal LAV/Galley needed for extra PAX)° i have : 8/52/24/226 = 310 PAX

So airchive has a 300/255 ration for 777-9/A350-1000 = 1.18, and my estimate is 310/277 = 1.12 ... not as much as Airchive

777-9 for ANA is 33 more pax considering it all in J.

So average revenue per seat with this assumptions will be lower on the 777-9 than on the 777-300ER and A350-1000.

If you want to stay with the same J/total PAX ratio the 777-9 you need to add at least 1 ou 2 row of biz, that eats 3 row


So in the end, CASM is one thing, RASM is another, and loading bigger planes with more Eco seats won't help.

Merci Karel

[Edited 2014-03-31 02:27:13]

User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 101, posted (9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Another thing

On boeing's rendering with corporate livery and with ana livery there's a zone in the front cabine with uneven spaced windows (ex door 2 ?)
What do you think ?


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 66):Not sure what the omission of the -10 means: either they don't need something that size (which doesn't bode well for a future A350 order), or NH needs more range the -10 has (which is good for a possible A350 order).
While NH is moving to 10-abreast on some of their 777-300ER fleet (which likely influenced the decision to buy the 777-9), they seem to be staying with 9-abreast on their 777-200ERs and as such the 787-9 would allow them to maintain the same number of seats.

That's true, I was however expecting a 787-10 to possibly replace the domestic 773s. This would mean about 20% reduction in seats, but what else is the alternative? Replacing a medium haul airplane like the 773 domestic with 77W's doesn't seem efficient. Or perhaps we could see some 777-9s in a domestic role?

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 100):
777-300ER is 8F/52J/24Y+/160Y @9 abreast = 250 PAX,there's 20 row of 3+3+3 Econ that can be converted to 3+4+3So ANA"s 777-300ER could become 8/52/24/186 = 270 PAXBased on cabin length (and considering that A350-1000 is one door less than 777-300Er) I haveA350-1000 : 8/52/24/193 = 277 PAX

I doubt NH would configure an A350-1000 10 abreast. Not even EK will.
A little while ago, Zeke mentioned that in a CX configuration the A350-1000 would seat 3 seats less than a similar CX 77W configuration. That seems plausible.



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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 103, posted (9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

787-10 looks like has only 440 PAX exit limit,
787-8 "domestic" is 335 PAX (12 biz)
787-9 "domestic" will be 398 PAX or so (with 12 biz)
787-10 will be limited by exit limit 440 PAX (> 450 PAX possible with 12 biz only)


777-9 will be less than 550 PAX exit limit (475 ?), so no way ti use it efficiently in "domestic layout"
A350-1000 is 440 or 475 PAX exit limit if additionnal door used, implying that density of the cabin layout will be limited

So there won't be any big airplane in the 2020's adapted to high density regional (2 h) flight .... except 747's-8 and A380
And the A330 Regional also (9 abreast)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 104, posted (9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 103):
777-9 will be less than 550 PAX exit limit (475 ?), so no way ti use it efficiently in "domestic layout"

As the 4th door will be a Type III only, the exit limit will be 475 pax indeed.

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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 105, posted (9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Yes I was to lazy to check...
Thanks


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 106, posted (9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
The biggest surprise perhaps is the lack of the 787-10, many people including myself believed ANA would also buy the largest 787 variant.

After looking at the delivery schedule I wonder if the 789s availability played a role in this order. I suspect the 781s are sold out until 2020 but ANA's 789 delivery schedule looks like 2017 is available.

In other news, how were there 2017 delivery slots available for the 789?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 99):
Based on the 77W + 1 row for the missing door, I'd say 264 + 9 = 273 seats.

The 264 figure is based on 10-abreast I believe. The A350 should be 9-abreast.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 102):
That's true, I was however expecting a 787-10 to possibly replace the domestic 773s. This would mean about 20% reduction in seats, but what else is the alternative?

They could take their low cycle 77Ws and convert them to high density 773s when the new 77Ws arrive. I don't discount an order conversion or a new order for the 781 down the line.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 103):
787-9 "domestic" will be 398 PAX or so (with 12 biz)
787-10 will be limited by exit limit 440 PAX (> 450 PAX possible with 12 biz only)

The 772 and 773 domestic aircraft have 21 J seats so on the 787-9 or -10 you would want to add at least 1 and maybe 2 rows of J as well. You probably only need to add one bathroom (only 6 total on the 773s). I get pretty close to that 440 seat figure (in fact I land squarely on it with my aggressive calculation that includes 11 rows of Y and two rows of J and subtract 6 Y seats for the bathroom).

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 104):
As the 4th door will be a Type III only, the exit limit will be 475 pax indeed.

I would not be shocked if Boeing made that Type III door an optional Type A door for the right size order. It would not be without precedent though I wouldn't expect it early in the delivery schedule.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13248 posts, RR: 36
Reply 107, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 106):
In other news, how were there 2017 delivery slots available for the 789?

The announced production rate increase in October last year created new delivery slots.



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 108, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 96):
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 95):
Given the large 737-800 fleet, the order for just 7 A320neo is a bit surprising.

It is not for me, but then I expect NH to choose the 737 MAX to replace their 737NG fleet and not the A320neo.

- I agree on the MAX being the logical and likely replacement for the 737NG fleet, just not on the odd fleet of just 7 A320neo's.

I though the A320 fleet was being replaced with the 737NG, that's why I don't get the purchase of 7 units.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7982 posts, RR: 19
Reply 109, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 89):
Quite the prediction. I don't think many were anticipating an A320 flying from Japan to anywhere not in Asia.

Well, the 737MAX doesn't seem to work quite with their fleet.

Basically, NH's model is "if you can't fit it in a 777, we will put it in one of the airbuses that we have"

Quoting Miami (Reply 90):
Boeing released another rendering of ANA 777-9X

That looks like heaven    Cannot wait to be near these puppies.



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Reply 110, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 108):
I though the A320 fleet was being replaced with the 737NG, that's why I don't get the purchase of 7 units.

It seems the A320 fleet will get an upgrade to A321s.

[Edited 2014-03-31 07:08:54]


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Reply 111, posted (9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4464 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 110):
The A320 fleet will get an upgrade to A321s.

- Yes but still does not explain why an order for 7 A320ceo's.



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Reply 112, posted (9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
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Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 98):
Based on cabin length (and considering that A350-1000 is one door less than 777-300Er) I have A350-1000 : 8/52/24/193 = 277 PAX
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 102):
I doubt NH would configure an A350-1000 10 abreast.

Agreed.

Assuming NH uses the space over the A350-1000's wing for a row of Business and reduces Economy from 10-abreast to 9-abreast (but the last four rows could go from 2+4+2 to 3+3+3), that would give them: 8F / 58C / 24Y+ / 169Y for a total of 259 seats.

I would expect NH to plug Door 3 since they don't need it for evacuation purposes. Add in the stretch forward and aft of the wing and as such, they should be able to add two rows of Business Class plus the extra galley and lav space. That would get them 8F / 64C / 24Y+ / 180Y for a total of 276 seats.



Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 98):
So in the end, CASM is one thing, RASM is another, and loading bigger planes with more Eco seats won't help.

Which is why I would expect NH to add two rows of Business or perhaps one row of Business and two rows of Premium Economy, instead. They might even be able to go 2 extra rows of Business and an extra row of Premium Economy.

We also need to take into account the trip cost difference. If the trip cost between a 777-9 and A350-1000 is less than the revenue generated by those extra premium and Economy Class seats, then those seats left over become, effectively, pure revenue when sold and are not a liability when not sold.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 102):
That's true, I was however expecting a 787-10 to possibly replace the domestic 773s.

I believe the 777-300ER will replace the 777-300 so as to allow them to maintain the current 514 seat configuration.



Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 108):
I agree on the MAX being the logical and likely replacement for the 737NG fleet, just not on the odd fleet of just 7 A320neo's.

I thought the A320 fleet was being replaced with the 737NG, that's why I don't get the purchase of 7 units.

I think they might be used to replace the four 737-700ERs currently flying to India (?) as well as expand that long-haul all-premium narrowbody service to other destinations in Southeast Asia.



Quoting PHX787 (Reply 109):
Well, the 737MAX doesn't seem to work quite with their fleet.

Seems a bit premature to make that decision considering that NH has only ordered 7 A320-200neos and they have a combined 31 737-800s in service/on-order. They also have 17 737-700 family airplanes and I don't recall seeing an A319-100neo order.  
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 109):
Basically, NH's model is "if you can't fit it in a 777, we will put it in one of the airbuses that we have".

Then they better order a lot more Airbuses.   


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Reply 113, posted (9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

This brings overall 777X commitments to 300



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Reply 114, posted (9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

I assume ET should be EY?


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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 114):
I assume ET should be EY?

Yes.



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Reply 116, posted (9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 107):
The announced production rate increase in October last year created new delivery slots.

I figured those were already spoken for. Multiple airlines have expressed the lack of availability of 787s 'this decade'. It could be Boeing is holding them back as carrots in these types of deals.

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 113):
This brings overall 777X commitments to 300

31 in the first year is no small commitment. Must be that reports are accurate that they are internally planning a 2019 EIS but publicly committing to 2020 deliveries.

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Reply 117, posted (9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 114):

I assume ET should be EY?

Yes, Sorry for the typo.


User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3345 posts, RR: 9
Reply 118, posted (9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3466 times:

Will NH have a large enough sub-fleet of A321-NEO to make it worthwhile buying the 737-8MAX as well - instead of the A320-NEO?


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Reply 119, posted (9 months 2 days ago) and read 3361 times:
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Quoting Motorhussy (Reply 118):
Will NH have a large enough sub-fleet of A321-NEO to make it worthwhile buying the 737-8MAX as well - instead of the A320-NEO?

They currently have 18 A320-200s, 31 737-800s (including on order) and 17 737-700ER for a total of 66 frames.

So at best, they have half their fleet replacement in place with the 30 frame Airbus order, which leaves room for a 30 frame 737 MAX order.

Considering NH already has existing A320 and 737NG infrastructure in place that can be used o support both the neo and the MAX, there is no compelling financial reason to sole source the narrowbody fleet. IMO.


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Reply 120, posted (9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3274 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 119):
Considering NH already has existing A320 and 737NG infrastructure in place that can be used o support both the neo and the MAX, there is no compelling financial reason to sole source the narrowbody fleet. IMO.

Except they have chosen as engine for the neos the one supplier not on the MAX! Not to say that will necessarily kill a MAX order but a LEAP selection for the neos would certainly make life easier for them. 30 frames of each with different engines is not exactly the same as AA, UA buying a hundred of each.


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Quoting trex8 (Reply 120):
Except they have chosen as engine for the neos the one supplier not on the MAX!

Perhaps the GTF works better for the missions they have in mind for the A321-200s.

All I am saying is if they were making a wholesale change, why only order half? Why not order 60 frames?


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Reply 122, posted (9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
All I am saying is if they were making a wholesale change, why only order half? Why not order 60 frames?

Many of their airframes are not that old. Perhaps they are hedging their bets in the event that something… better… comes along?



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Reply 123, posted (9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 121):
All I am saying is if they were making a wholesale change, why only order half? Why not order 60 frames?

Ordering in batches is not unique, the 737 fleet is not due for replacement yet.



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Reply 124, posted (9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 112):
Then they better order a lot more Airbuses.

With a Boeing fleet of their size, and also with the financial stability they're in as well as their reputation among the japanese public, there is no need for NH to make such a drastic change.



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Reply 125, posted (9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
Ordering in batches is not unique, the 737 fleet is not due for replacement yet.

True, but you think they would have locked in options or purchase rights for the remainder if they intended to commit solely to the A320neo family.

I still think the second tranche is going to be an open RFP, but I guess we'll eventually find out.


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Reply 126, posted (9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
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Quoting trex8 (Reply 120):
Except they have chosen as engine for the neos the one supplier not on the MAX! Not to say that will necessarily kill a MAX order but a LEAP selection for the neos would certainly make life easier for them.

As a follow-up to my response from yesterday, NH had GE on their entire 747 and 767 fleets, yet chose P&W for their 777 fleet and RR for their 787 fleet. So NH does not seem to mind having multiple engine OEMs powering their aircraft.

Does NH have their own engine MRO facility? I know they signed a 10-year OnPoint agreement with GE covering the GE90s on their 777-300ERs, but if they do their own engine work on the rest of the fleet, that might have influenced them in choosing P&W to handle MRO work for the GTF (in addition to the A320neo, ANA Wings has the MRJ with P&W GTFs). Or maybe P&W fought harder for the engine deal for the A320neo order.


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Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
SK To Buy 60+ New Aircraft For 40 - 45 Billion NOK posted Thu May 10 2012 22:04:47 by Mortyman
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
SK To Buy 60+ New Aircraft For 40 - 45 Billion NOK posted Thu May 10 2012 22:04:47 by Mortyman
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
SK To Buy 60+ New Aircraft For 40 - 45 Billion NOK posted Thu May 10 2012 22:04:47 by Mortyman
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
SK To Buy 60+ New Aircraft For 40 - 45 Billion NOK posted Thu May 10 2012 22:04:47 by Mortyman
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800
Air Berlin To Buy 40 New Aircraft posted Sat Mar 8 2003 23:34:42 by Racko
Lufthansa Said To Buy B779 & A359 Aircraft Part 1 posted Fri Sep 13 2013 10:38:07 by KarelXWB
Airbus: Asia To Buy 10,000 Aircraft By 2031 posted Tue Feb 26 2013 01:26:37 by art
Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil posted Thu Mar 29 2012 14:29:48 by gabo787
AviancaTaca To Buy 51 New A320 posted Fri Jan 27 2012 06:27:57 by bongo
Saudia To Buy 58 Airbus Aircraft posted Tue Nov 3 2009 16:15:05 by Keesje
Report: ANA To Buy 60 Boeing Jets. posted Wed Jan 30 2008 16:27:14 by NYC777
ANA To Buy 30 MRJs (Mitsubishi Regional Jets) posted Tue Jan 8 2008 23:44:17 by Flying-Tiger
WestJet Says In Deal To Buy 20 Boeing Aircraft posted Wed Aug 1 2007 01:49:53 by CO737800