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World Airways Shuts Down  
User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 31567 times:
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After 66 years, World Airways will close the doors as of 5 pm today. I am sure that there will be more details, but I wanted to wish ll of my friends and former colleagues the best of luck. It has been painful to watch a once proud airline be raped and pillaged of it's pride and standing in the industry.


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 31601 times:

Yup, suppose the BK court hearing regarding auctioning off the company on Tuesday did not go well. Suspect there was not enough interest, or if so no bidder was willing to cover the minimum $35million required to repay Cerberus.

Here is the news story

BREAKING: World Airways Immediately Shutting Down
http://www.nycaviation.com/2014/03/b...y-ceasing-operations/#.UzRbJ_ldWgV

CEO says company will cease operations immediately, and North American Airlines will see "significant reductions".



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 31472 times:

As a resident of Peachtree City where the airline is HDQ, I just hate to see this for the employees with its long and rich history. My best to all of those at World!


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 31171 times:

Although it's not a total surprise for me since they were shrinking these last few years, it's still sad to see an airline with such a history to simply vanish.


I wish I was a glow worm.
User currently onlinecapitol8s From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 31065 times:
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how sad is this! This was the oldest charter airline in existence. I worked for World Airways as a gate agent back in the early 80's at the West Imperial Terminal LAX when we operated a bunch of scheduled service.


"Happiness is a flight on a Capitol Air DC-10"
User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 30988 times:

I am kind of shocked that they would close so quickly... But I am not shocked that they are closing.

I wish the best to the employees and crews of World Airways, and hope they have luck in their future ventures.


User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 839 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 months 3 hours ago) and read 30906 times:

Just Sharing:

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YLWbased



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5195 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (8 months 3 hours ago) and read 30747 times:

Sad news indeed. I was really rooting for their post-deregulation scheduled service. Such an interesting period in the USA with new airlines popping up every month it seemed and the former "Supplementals" all taking a stab at scheduled ops. World had a nice little network for awhile stretching from HNL to FRA and points in between. Didn't have the resources to withstand the bloodbath and build a sustainable route system.

Best wishes to the employees of this storied airline.



Next up, STL-ATL-MSY-ATL-STL
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 months 3 hours ago) and read 30726 times:

Oh dear.... been through this three times in my career already (yeah..... I know...). It is not a nice feeling, and typically you'll have been left without pay for the month (or part of the month) in a sudden shutdown like this.

My sympathies to all involved: your aircraft were a very familiar sight here in Ireland, and I hope you all find work very soon.



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User currently offlinetyler81190 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 months 3 hours ago) and read 30687 times:

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 6):
Just Sharing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcWZ7j1iTg

YLWbased

Very interesting video! thank you for sharing!


User currently offlineTztristar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1457 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 months 3 hours ago) and read 30361 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Thread starter):
After 66 years, World Airways will close the doors as of 5 pm today. I am sure that there will be more details, but I wanted to wish ll of my friends and former colleagues the best of luck. It has been painful to watch a once proud airline be raped and pillaged of it's pride and standing in the industry.

Good luck to you and all of the soon former WO employees. I remember you were with us when TZ shut down. I met some nice folks at WO and hope they get back on their feet soon.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6513 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 months 3 hours ago) and read 30121 times:

During the Vietnam conflict world was a major payer in getting the US troops back and forth . When the flights would arrive in Vietnam there was always a large gathering to get a look at the flight attendants

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7521 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 months 3 hours ago) and read 30053 times:

Wow,so sad to here . WO made my Summer back in '11 when they flew an MD-11 into ROC for a trooper charter. So far its the only MD11 in ROC.


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User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 412 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29990 times:
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WOW... This sucks!!! Flew military charter with them to Europe years ago, and they were always wonderful people and service was great! R.I.P. World, you covered the world wonderfully!!! That old DC-10 I was on, was a workhorse! Always loved seeing them landing wherever I was!

They really loved supporting the troops and taking care of them to and from!

Regards,
135Mech


User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29858 times:
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Quoting 135mech (Reply 13):
Flew military charter with them to Europe years ago, and they were always wonderful people and service was great

I've always wondered what the service would consist of on a charter like that. What was it like?



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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29751 times:
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Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 14):
I've always wondered what the service would consist of on a charter like that. What was it like?

The service was great, better than the legacy airlines. Hot meals, tons of snacks for movies, and all the soda/juice that you could handle.



Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 412 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29696 times:
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Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 14):

I've always wondered what the service would consist of on a charter like that. What was it like?

Hi, my experience (and the friends that have messaged me frantically about this) was: incredibly courteous staff (all of them), good food (for airline food...lol), and drinks, and always making sure that they vocalized how much they appreciated our service! I don't ever remember one of them with out a smile on their faces!

135Mech


User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29657 times:
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Quoting airtran737 (Reply 15):
Quoting 135mech (Reply 16):

It's great to hear that! And it makes it even sadder to hear that they're going out of business  



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User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 412 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29482 times:
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Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 17):
Quoting airtran737 (Reply 15):
Quoting 135mech (Reply 16):

It's great to hear that! And it makes it even sadder to hear that they're going out of business

Yes it does! WIll miss seeing their livery around the world!

135Mech


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5113 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29413 times:

Wow, a very sad day. Lots of memories of this cool airline. Such a rich history, and amazing employees. Rest In Peace World.


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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1720 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 29347 times:

So many of their loyal employees were long-serving. THey put up with furloughs, delays, rescheduling and all the while did it with class. Best wishes to some pretty great people.


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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2478 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 months 1 hour ago) and read 28882 times:
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Too bad. Only flew them once in August 1980. DC-10 HNL-LAX. Naturally red-eye, and was the second most miserable flight for me, but only due to dealing with allergies from carnation leis we were bringing back from HI!
Really enjoyed the trip overall and was my second DC-10 trip. (First was CO -10 over.)
Biggest disappointment: As a schedule collector, I had grabbed a few odd-for-me-at-the-time schedules (China Air Lines especially), and naturally left them in the seatback pocket upon arrival. Loved using the stairs at LAX WIT though. Seemed a lot of plane for terminal of that size lol.
Good luck to WO folks.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1681 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 months 1 hour ago) and read 28331 times:
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I flew with them in scheduled service on a DC-10 from Baltimore to Newark. It was the same DC-10 that later crashed in Boston. The only gripe I had with them was the 3-4-3 seating.

Bob Bradley



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 months 1 hour ago) and read 28277 times:
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During Vietnam, World flew me to Clark AFB in the Philippines. Sad to see them go. Made Four R/T's across the Pacific during those times on World Airways, Trans International, Flying Tigers and Northwest, all gone now.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 months 1 hour ago) and read 27442 times:

I remember picking my dad up at LAX after a trip on WO, around 1983/4. Sad to see them go.


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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (8 months ago) and read 27730 times:

It would be great if a properly documented book about the rich and long history of World could be published.

Ed Daly didn't found WO, but he led the company from July 1950 when he acquired it until his death in January 1984.



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User currently offlineJOshu From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (8 months ago) and read 26692 times:

Man, I will really miss seeing them at BWI. It never got old seeing those MD-11's.

User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (8 months ago) and read 27601 times:

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 6):
Just Sharing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcWZ7j1iTg

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING VIDEO

.......and what a piece of history for the USA and World Airways !!!


User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (8 months ago) and read 27367 times:

Sad to know. In the summer of 1966 during the airline strike, my grandma and I flew LAX-JFK on a 707-320C. I think we boarded at the Imperial Terminal at LAX and don't recall where we deplaned at JFK, only that it was a fairly short transfer to the NY B107 helicopter to EWR.

User currently offlinechrcaremanav From Canada, joined Jan 2014, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (8 months ago) and read 27118 times:
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Hi! This is not very good news and another Airlines bites the dust. I feel for those Who lost Their Jobs and Aspirations and Vocations. I and We will do some prayers for The Ex Employees(Now They are Ex-Employees) and Their Families. Take good care and stay positive We are All routing for You All at World. I Encourage All of You even tough it is a very tough times, but There is always doors that is opening and situations will present itself and be helpful and maybe for the better.
Hope! You have to plow along and You will succeed. At least try to have a very nice day and keep positive. Au Revoir from a Canadian Friend.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 30, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 26424 times:

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 9):
Quoting YLWbased (Reply 6):
Just Sharing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcWZ7j1iTg

YLWbased

Very interesting video! thank you for sharing!

Commemorative MD-11 return trip to Vietnam in 2005.
http://www.vietnambabylift.org/World_Airways.html


User currently offlineCAMPBELL From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25485 times:

Rode World in July 2001 on N271WA from Rhein Main to Baltimore after 6 weeks in Kuwait and rode them again in
in February 2002 from Rhein Main to Baltimore to Charleston on a DC-10 after my TDY to Sigonella and Rhein Main.
Great Company. May have rode aboard a 707 Military charter as a child in 1969 from Travis to Kadena.


User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25425 times:

Wow! World Airways gone. I can remember their beautiful red, white and gold DC-10's in the late 70's. Very classy looking airplane.
I won't ever forget the picture of the World 727 after departure from South Vietnam, overloaded with people. The photo is from underneath the airplane, the nose gear is inoperative, if I remember correctly, the cargo door is open, and you can see a foot protruding from a wheel well. I believe it was piloted by Captain Daly, who might have been president at the time?
If anyone has details of this incredible flight that they would like to share it would be appreciated.
To all World employees: your company won't be forgetten in the minds of those who were around when it was a class act.
Best wishes to all of you.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24982 times:

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 32):
I believe it was piloted by Captain Daly, who might have been president at the time?

Daly wasn't flying the plane. However he was on board.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 32):
If anyone has details of this incredible flight that they would like to share it would be appreciated.

Earlier in this thread, this video was linked:

http://youtu.be/pzcWZ7j1iTg



I wish I was a glow worm.
User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24751 times:

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 32):
World Airways last 727 from Da Nang - courtesy 727 Datacenter



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24653 times:

Former AMC aerial port troop here...

Worked more World rotators and freedom birds than I can possibly remember...

Can't say I ever had a bad experience with a World crew while working ramp/pax or as a passenger.

Sad to see them go...



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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2478 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 22475 times:
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I like how Walter stated it was a jumbo jet lol. Haven't ever heard a 727 as a jumbo........


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 37, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22144 times:

I can see why they pulled the plug.

Looking at court documents this months planned auction for the airline had zero interested parties, so the bid deadline was extended to April 28th.

Then add in the fact that WO continued to generate monthly losses of between $2.5-7mil since reentering BK as liabilities grew it became a case of either continue pumping money in, or forget it. Obviously Cerberus Capital who provided the initial DIP financing got tired and did not want to further add to the $100mil negative net equity at WO.

North American on the other hand managed to eek out small profits ($500k-2.0mil) since entering BK and sits in positive equity territory.

Now my question is how was the company allowed to exit BK in February 2013 to only reenter it in November?

At the end, I think this is yet another case of a company being too reliant for too long on primary revenue stream and not looking to diversify and adapt to future. Like Evergreen living off Uncle Sam is great while it lasted, but without coherent alternate revenue sources and business plan one is left out in the cold when the marry go-around stops.



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User currently offlinephilabos From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 21424 times:

As a railroad guy I come to these forums to learn rather than speak. This topic caught my attention.

I have had the honor to meet 8 returning flights from Iraq and Afghanistan at Pope and
McChord AFB. I have two children that have served in both places. There is no sight I have ever
seen as wonderful as those D10s touching down safely after a year of waiting. The crews took great
Care of the troops and would come out on the stairway to join the applause as the soldiers disembarked.
I will always remember those planes and thank the crews that flew them.


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 21271 times:

I'm sad, though not at all surprised, at this news. I flew WO in 2000, JFK-IST/BCN-JFK, chartered by Princess Cruises to meet a Mediterranean cruise. It was an MD-11 outbound and the last DC-10 built home. The high-density charter configuration (410 passengers on an MD-11!) was less than spacious, but otherwise the flights were fine. (Anyone who complains about 10-abreast on a 777 but has never done a long flight on a 10-abreast DC-10/MD-11 needs to STFU.   ) That JFK-IST flight was also my one MD-11 flight (though I once got to play around on some Swissair MD-11s at on the ground at JFK). And it was cool to fly the last DC-10 built (l/n 446), though it was in pretty bad shape for a then-12-year-old airplane.


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Anyway, my thoughts are with all the World Airways employees who are now without jobs, and their families.



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User currently offlinemadviking From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 21070 times:

Was Hollis Harris at the helm during these last days?

User currently offlineapache323 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20879 times:

It is unfortunate to see their demise although it has been obvious it was coming for a while. I flew on N271WA, N277WA and, N803DE several times during my time in the ARMY to Kuwait and Kyrgystan. They always had very professional service and amazing employees. When I was in Afghanistan their MD-11F, and 747 would come in on a regular basis and always perform and awesome takeoff, was a blast to watch. We went tech at ATL on our way to DFW with a broken air turbine started on the number one engine and they had it replaced in less then an hour. We also went tech from SVN- Leipzig with our number 2 engine thrust reverser stuck open, It took about 2 days to fix but they still took very good care of us. I will miss World and the MD-11, it was always a pleasure to fly on. R.I.P. World. Best of luck to the excellent flight crews and cabin staff. They set the standard.

User currently onlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20505 times:
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What happens to the 2 PAX MD-11s they have?

User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4115 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 19780 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 37):
At the end, I think this is yet another case of a company being too reliant for too long on primary revenue stream and not looking to diversify and adapt to future. Like Evergreen living off Uncle Sam is great while it lasted

At one point in the not-too-distant past, they were diversified. They were providing lift to DHL, had an ACMI agreement with an African carrier and were flying between Europe and AMEA for a freight forwarder, among other things. Did they let all these deals lapse to focus on government contracts, or did they stop being competitive at that time and let others take their contracts away?



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User currently offlinefxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 708 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18631 times:

My thoughts go out to my friends and former co-workers on losing the livelihood. I was always proud to work there and learned a lot about airline ops in less developed parts of the world. We may have bent the occasional rule here and there, but it was in the name of getting the troops home. The few times I was able to go ride a plane was always an eye opening experience and the crews always did a good job taking care of the passengers, especially the troops.

Quoting madviking (Reply 40):
Was Hollis Harris at the helm during these last days?

No, Hollis has been gone since about 2005 or so. And that, in my mind, was when the slow decline started.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 43):
At one point in the not-too-distant past, they were diversified. They were providing lift to DHL, had an ACMI agreement with an African carrier and were flying between Europe and AMEA for a freight forwarder, among other things. Did they let all these deals lapse to focus on government contracts, or did they stop being competitive at that time and let others take their contracts away?

My understanding is they lost some contracts due to a combination lack of demand for supplemental lift and competitive pricing.



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User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18383 times:
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Quoting UA444 (Reply 42):

I guess they will not find a new owner in the future.... Scrapped or converted into freighters.

Lollo


User currently offlinebycac From France, joined Mar 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17887 times:

Very sad news for me !!World Airways was one of the last companies to use the MD11 I love this plane but i can see them easily at LDE for pilgrimages ! My unique photo of a MD11 world !

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7112/7138784067_81c37562b2_o.jpg


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27231 posts, RR: 60
Reply 47, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17045 times:

Sad news. I flew one of their MD11's when it was in Aer Lingus livery out of BFS! Great memories and one of the best aircraft I was ever on.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 48, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17016 times:

Quoting lollomz (Reply 45):
I guess they will not find a new owner in the future.... Scrapped or converted into freighters.

MD-11s havent been converted in years. And the first airlines have begun to retire their MD11Fs, like LH or Eva. With a high chance the WO planes will be scrapped.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 49, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16658 times:

Quoting lollomz (Reply 45):
Scrapped or converted into freighters.

Seeing the way things go for the MD-11 in general, I believe they'll be scrapped as were other MD-11 operated by World and later parked when they downsized. Only one of their two MD-11ER was converted BEFORE the cargo slump and it is now with AvCargo. And since there are other MD-11F around, I think 271 & 272 have reached the end of their lives.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 50, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16590 times:

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 32):
Wow! World Airways gone. I can remember their beautiful red, white and gold DC-10's in the late 70's. Very classy looking airplane.

I remember the DC-10s in HNL as a kid in the early 80s and I always wanted to fly them just because of their regal looking livery. Since I grew up in Portland mostly, I saw very few World Aircraft, I've spotted them in BWI, OAK, LAX & HNL.

Wouldn't much of this be caused by the governments decreased need of aircraft to transport our fine servicemen and women?

Best of luck to those who provided the best service to our troops worldwide. You have safely transported our loved ones away from us, but you also brought them back home to be with us again, Thanks!



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5113 posts, RR: 28
Reply 51, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16599 times:

Does World own North American? If so, is there a slight glimmer of hope? I mean, technically, World is somewhat still alive? I sure hope North American survives. I have worked with many World Crews, and they were top notch. I hope other airlines realize this, and snatch this talent right away.


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User currently offlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16417 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 51):
Does World own North American? If so, is there a slight glimmer of hope? I mean, technically, World is somewhat still alive?

World and North American are both owned by Global Aviation Holdings.



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User currently offlineBravoOne From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14136 times:
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I have heard that Centurian is also on the ropes. Might be even more MD11's in the desert soon.

User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13795 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 15):
The service was great, better than the legacy airlines. Hot meals, tons of snacks for movies, and all the soda/juice that you could handle.

For reference, every DOD flight has standard service protocols which are STRICTLY followed from the style of napkins, how food is packaged/delivered, etc. Even the kind of hot towels we can use. World did it great to be sure but in DOD flying, everyone has the same service requirements and they are audited frequently.



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 55, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13552 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 54):
For reference, every DOD flight has standard service protocols which are STRICTLY followed from the style of napkins, how food is packaged/delivered, etc. Even the kind of hot towels we can use. World did it great to be sure but in DOD flying, everyone has the same service requirements and they are audited frequently.

Given that the original poster of that message is former World staff, as am I, we know that. But its not all about the way meals are presented, its the extra mile that the staff went for the passengers. At all the legacy airlines al the crews bid for the chance to work a DOD charter, at World, it was the norm and we could do it right, every day every time. And the bigger loss is the fact that World has been doing this for 66 years, longer than anyone else out there.


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Reply 56, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13463 times:
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Very sad news. World is one of those airlines that just always seems to show up...

Also this means Oct 26th is really the end of passenger widebodies built in LGB, when KLMs last 2 flights on the 11 land in AMS? It looked like WO would keep them flying a little longer...  



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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 57, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12162 times:
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Quoting B727FA (Reply 54):
For reference, every DOD flight has standard service protocols which are STRICTLY followed from the style of napkins, how food is packaged/delivered, etc. Even the kind of hot towels we can use. World did it great to be sure but in DOD flying, everyone has the same service requirements and they are audited frequently.

Food doesn't matter, it's the people who do the job, and I can tell you that the supplemental carriers do it better than any of the legacy carriers. Why do you ask? Because we lived and breathed for the military. I can't count how many times that i went to Iraq for the military or Afghanistan, or Kuwait, or places that I am not going to tell you about, but the burn scar from an air start connection point on my right forearm is a permanent reminder. We did it better because we did it longer. It was a science to us. It was seeing familiar faces on flights out of POB and SVN because they were deploying yet again. It was thanking the troops for what they do. It was all of us taking a moment in HOP to watch the Screaming Eagles come home and run to their families and allowing us to take pride in bringing them home. We were a family, and those bonds helped us everyday. I miss WOA everyday. Running a department there was the best job that I have ever had and will be extremely hard to top.



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11778 times:

You'll get no argument from me that World has always been a class-act! I apologize if it seemed as though I was discounting the experience and style at World. That was certainly not my intent.


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User currently onlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Reply 59, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11650 times:

Now that they shut down, how hard is it to buy their AOC?? I would think the "NEW" Eastern would make a run at that or maybe PeoplesEX.


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User currently offlineJohnGalt From United States of America, joined Feb 2014, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11338 times:

Just heard from a source in the know that North American is pulling nearly all crews back to the US and will more than likely be going down to a one-aircraft operation with a second aircraft as a spare to a high-priority contract.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 61, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 59):

Now that they shut down, how hard is it to buy their AOC?? I would think the "NEW" Eastern would make a run at that or maybe PeoplesEX.

Unless either one of those airlines want a MD-11 or 744, buying the AOC still leaves them with the huge task of inducting a new fleet type. This issue has rendered other certificates worthless as the process can be like starting out from scratch.

Also as became apparent with Ryan Intl sale fiasco, for the certificate to remain alive in the eyes of the DOT, WO would need to keep people on payroll, systems, programs and procedures alive, and documentation up to date. Otherwise it goes dormant and requires recertification from scratch.



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10687 times:

Looks like N272WA is already headed to GYR.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N272WA



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User currently offlinePanther From Bahamas, joined Jun 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

Very sad! I took off right behind N272WA last night at BWI while she was heading to GYR. They used the Douglas N272WA call signs. There was a lot of well wishes on the radio to them. They performed a full power takeoff on RWY 28. They rotated halfway down the runway and climbed like a rocket! It was awesome and sad. Good luck guys.
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World Airways MD-11 N272WA last flight out. BWI to GYR

I took a picture before she took off sorry for the quality


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 64, posted (7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

Just Tuesday night I was roaming the flight trackers and saw 271 doing NKX-BWI. I was like, "woah a World flight". Didn't know it would be the last one before retirement.

Best of luck to the World employees. I heard nothing but good things about them.

Quoting Panther (Reply 63):

Thanks for sharing. So sad. Years ago I took a video of 272 taking off from MSP to NGF after a tech stop. One of the few times I saw a passenger MD-11. I've kept track of 272 ever since.

[Edited 2014-03-29 09:06:20]

[Edited 2014-03-29 09:06:31]

User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9847 times:

I will miss them, they were my favorite airline when it was a scheduled carrier, I flew them countless times from BWI-LAX on the DC-10s in the 1980s.


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User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 839 posts, RR: 4
Reply 66, posted (7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

Anyone have any idea what was the Registration No. on the last flight out of Danang was?

YLWbased



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9666 times:

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 66):

Can't make it out, but here's the pic from the right side...

Courtesy: Boeing 727 Datacenter


CBS News had a crew aboard....

http://youtu.be/pzcWZ7j1iTg

[Edited 2014-03-29 11:54:06]

Rego mentioned at this link: N692WA

World Airways 727 In Vietnam, March 1975 (by Falstaff Aug 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)


[Edited 2014-03-29 12:00:43]


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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1142 posts, RR: 7
Reply 68, posted (7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

N691WA, delivered new to World Airways in 1967. Leased to JAL, PSA and Domincana at various times. Scrapped MIA in 1992.

I was a pilot for World from 1981 to 1986. Ken Healy, the captain of the Da Nang flight was V.P. flight operations during my tenure

As new hire pilots, they showed us the CBS broadcast of the Da Nang flight as an example of what might be expected of us as World Airways crew. Never had to do anything that exciting! It was a great company and I'm proud to have flown there.


User currently onlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9549 times:
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I really hope some charter airline or VIP picks up those PAX MD-11s. It would be a shame to not have at least one PAX MD-11 left existing.

User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 33):
Quoting ozark1 (Reply 32):
If anyone has details of this incredible flight that they would like to share it would be appreciated.

Earlier in this thread, this video was linked:

http://youtu.be/pzcWZ7j1iTg

39 years ago today!



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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9238 times:

Quoting JohnGalt (Reply 60):

Just heard from a source in the know that North American is pulling nearly all crews back to the US and will more than likely be going down to a one-aircraft operation with a second aircraft as a spare to a high-priority contract.

Based in IAD...1 guess as to the customer.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 72, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9141 times:

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 66):
Anyone have any idea what was the Registration No. on the last flight out of Danang was?
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 68):
N691WA, delivered new to World Airways in 1967. Leased to JAL, PSA and Domincana at various times. Scrapped MIA in 1992.

Many other sources say it was N692WA.


User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 70):
39 years ago today!

What was the exact number of people that made it out on that 727? I heard it was near 300



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1142 posts, RR: 7
Reply 74, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8891 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 72):
Many other sources say it was N692WA.

I have a nice little book "The 727 Boeingscrapbook" by Len and Terry Morgan. It has the same in-flight picture that's further up this thread with the leg sticking out from the main gear door but it's not as cropped, showing the lower half of the N-number. It's clearly N691WA.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

I miss seeing their MD11sfly into IAH. I remember vividly one day before high school swim practice seeing the MD11 flying with a spectre-like condensation coming from the wings.

Long live World!



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User currently offlineua900 From Germany, joined Feb 2014, 365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8823 times:
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As someone less familiar with charters and/or cargo, it seems that with the demise of TZ, EZ, RD, WO, and potentially NA a lot of experience in the charter market is disappearing quickly. Is there any way to reverse the bleeding?

I always stop by the Atlas 747 in IAH when I have spare time and have seen a number of NA planes throughout Europe by coincidence. I always thought these airlines are admirable due to the fact that they fly routes the legacies wouldn't consider (outside of their own charters) and sometimes manage to sustain these routes over many years in spite of not having the same brand recognition as UA, DL and AA. It would be nice to see the remaining players becoming stronger again instead of falling like a house of cards.



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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

I know of World Airways and I have seen NA at LAX back in 92, was World Airways like a legecy airline, did it have a scheduled domestic network and an International network like DL and UA and AA? How much time did their AC spend on the tarmac between flights ? The couple of times I have been to LAX in the 80s and 90s I never saw a dedicated terminal for WO so what was their main operations?

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 78, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Quoting malaysia (Reply 73):
What was the exact number of people that made it out on that 727? I heard it was near 300

ULCC from hell, all kidding aside, that is an amzing story that always mekes my heart race, I can not even imagine what hell that experience was for all involved. Thank God for brave people who make things happen for the rest of us who go along for the ride.

Quoting ua900 (Reply 76):
As someone less familiar with charters and/or cargo, it seems that with the demise of TZ, EZ, RD, WO, and potentially NA a lot of experience in the charter market is disappearing quickly. Is there any way to reverse the bleeding?

I think many of these companies got used to the regular checks from the US government, Their fleets were obligated to Uncle Sam for so long, that they did not properly stay diversified enough to survive the loss of their main business.

One could argue that the government is responsible for the demise of these companies, but solid work for a decade or two transporting hundreds of thousands of troops halfway around the world and back every day for decades on the publics dime is a very good run, they should have had enough other options lined up for their planes as the government work ended.



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 79, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 77):
was World Airways like a legecy airline, did it have a scheduled domestic network and an International network like DL and UA and AA?

World wasn't a scheduled airline per se. It was a 'supplemental' or charter airline providing ACMI capacity. However, in 1979 it started to offer scheduled charter flights like OAK-EWR; BWI-LAX; EWR-LAX as well as BWI-FRA/LGW, all with DC-10s. They also started flights from MCI with 727s that connected with those going to Europe or HNL from OAK. Due to mounting losses, all this came to an abrupt end in September 1986.

Edit: They started scheduled service again in 1994 with non-stop flights between JFK or EWR and TLV and direct service between New York and JNB with a fuel stop at SID. These lasted only a couple of years.


Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 72):
Many other sources say it was N692WA.
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 74):
I have a nice little book "The 727 Boeingscrapbook" by Len and Terry Morgan. It has the same in-flight picture that's further up this thread with the leg sticking out from the main gear door but it's not as cropped, showing the lower half of the N-number. It's clearly N691WA.

I dpn't have that book but I still have the report about WO published in Airways June 1998. In it is the famous inflight picture of the 727 where the tail air intake is clearly visible with N691WA written on it.



[Edited 2014-03-30 03:43:08]

[Edited 2014-03-30 03:43:46]


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User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8302 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 78):
ULCC from hell, all kidding aside, that is an amzing story that always mekes my heart race, I can not even imagine what hell that experience was for all involved. Thank God for brave people who make things happen for the rest of us who go along for the ride.

Well more women and children could have made it, but they got pushed out of the way on the way to the plane.



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1142 posts, RR: 7
Reply 81, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 79):
World wasn't a scheduled airline per se. It was a 'supplemental' or charter airline providing ACMI capacity. However, in 1979 it started to offer scheduled charter flights like OAK-EWR; BWI-LAX; EWR-LAX as well as BWI-FRA/LGW, all with DC-10s. They also started flights from MCI with 727s that connected with those going to Europe or HNL from OAK. Due to mounting losses, all this came to an abrupt end in September 1986.

Not correct - they were not "scheduled charter flights" but regular scheduled passenger service, complete with World ticket counters and reservation center, staffed by WO employees. We even had George Burns as a TV spokesman!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwHpKIg-sc


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

This makes Bangor, Maine about 80% less interesting. A sad development, following on the heels of Evergreen and others since and still to come. Good people & Good airplanes, now displaced.

Right now, today, U.S. TRANSPORTATION COMMAND 1556 ('Camber'), a 777-200, is flying from Kuwait to Bangor, Maine. I have no idea about this carrier, but I can't help but believe this is a troop charter in place of what World would normally do.

[Edited 2014-03-30 07:26:45]

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 83, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 82):
Right now, today, U.S. TRANSPORTATION COMMAND 1556 ('Camber'), a 777-200, is flying from Kuwait to Bangor, Maine. I have no idea about this carrier, but I can't help but believe this is a troop charter in place of what World would normally do.

AMC charter, likely Omni.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 84, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Alright. Since World Airways is no more, I took some time today to gather data regarding its jetliners fleet over the decades from its first B707 in 1963 up to its last aircraft when it shut down. All this is based on what's available at airlinerlist.com and A.net.


Boeing 707

N368WA.....-373C.....19716./.644.....NOV67 - MAR76

N369WA.....-373C.....19715./.642.....NOV67 - SEP73

N370WA.....-373C.....19442./.609.....AUG67 - JUN71

N371WA.....-373C.....19441./.548.....DEC66 - JUN71

N372WA.....-373C.....19179./.500.....MAY66 - JUL74

N373WA.....-373C.....18582./.344.....JUL63 - AUG73

N374WA.....-373C.....18583./.346.....AUG63 - AUG73

N375WA.....-373C.....18707./.349.....SEP63 - FEB71

N376WA.....-373C.....18991./.450.....OCT65 - JUN71

N702PA.....-331........17677./.80.......JUL73 - NOV73......leased from Pan Am

N704PA.....-331........17683./.116.....MAY72 - DEC72.....leased from Pan Am

N705PA.....-331........17686./.124.....MAY72 - OCT72.....leased from Pan Am

N706PA.....-331........17689./.136.....JUN73 - JUL73.......leased from Pan Am


Boeing 727

N690WA.....-173C.....19504./.427.....JUL67 - DEC79

N691WA.....-173C.....19505./.432.....JUL67 - JUL77

N692WA.....-173C.....19506./.447.....AUG67 - OCT77

N693WA.....-173C.....19507./.449.....SEP67 - MAR80

N694WA.....-173C.....19508./.457.....SEP67 - JAN74

N695WA.....-173C.....19509./.459.....SEP67 - SEP74

N696WA.....-29C.......19987./.634.....APR76 - DEC79.....Operated for Yemenia

N531EJ......-155C......19619./.470.....JUL69 - JUN71.......Leased from Executive Jet Avt

N726JE......-114........19815./.443.....OCT85 - APR86.....Sub-leased from Skybus

N727Z........-95..........19249./.304.....OCT85 - MAR86....Sub-leased from Skybus

N1187Z......-22..........18323./.136.....JAN86 - APR86.....Sub-leased from Skybus

N1973........-23..........18429./.26......JUN85 - MAY86.....Sub-leased from Skybus

N1979........-23..........18435./.51......MAY85 - MAR86....Sub-leased from Skybus

N407BN.....-291........19992./.526....APR86 - OCT86.....Sub-leased from Skybus

N408BN.....-291........19993./.549....MAR86 - SEP86....Sub-leased from Skybus

N545PS.....-214........20169./.743....APR86 - MAY87....Sub-leased from Skybus



Boeing 747

N740WA.....-4H6(BDSF).....25700./.974.....MAR08 - NOV13

N741WA.....-4H6(BDSF).....25702./.999.....NOV08 - FEB12

N742WA.....-412(BDSF).....27071./.1072...MAR11 - NOV13

N743WA.....-412(BDSF).....26562./.1074...JAN11- JUN12

N747WR.....-273C.....20651./.209.....APR73 - MAR86.....ex. N747WA

N748WA.....-273C.....20652./.211.....MAY73 - NOV83

N749WA.....-273C.....20653./.237.....JUN74 - MAY87

N750WA.....-124(SF).....19733./.42.....FEB78 - JUL86


Douglas DC-8

N801WA.....-63CF.....46133./.534.....MAR71 - AUG84

N802WA.....-63CF.....46146./.536.....MAR71 - SEP73.....Crashed at Cold Bay, AK.

N803WA.....-63CF.....46149./.538.....MAR71 - DEC79

N804WA.....-63CF.....46137./.527.....DEC72 - FEB82

N805WA.....-63CF.....46143./.547.....APR73 - FEB82

N806WA.....-63CF.....46145./.548.....DEC72 - OCT83

N911CL.......-61.........45981./.352.....NOV75 - JAN76.....Leased from Capitol

N974FT.......-63CF.....46086./.478.....NOV75 - MAY76....Leased from Flying Tigers


Most of these aircraft were often either operated for or leased to other companies for variable time durations.

To follow in another post, the even larger DC-10 and MD-11 fleets data.



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 85, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

The follow up to my previous post regarding World Airways' fleet over the decades.


McDonnell Douglas DC-10

N102UA......-10.....46905./.47.......MAY88 - DEC88

N102UA......-10.....46905./.47.......DEC89 - AUG91

N104WA.....-10.....46727./.83.......MAY90 - APR92

N902JW......-10.....46905./.47.......MAR85 - SEP86.....Leased from Arrow Air

N902WA.....-10.....46928./.104.....MAR89 - FEB91

N904WA.....-10.....46930./.112.....MAR84 - NOV84

N905WA.....-10.....46938./.153.....MAR84 - OCT84

N916JW......-10.....46906./.50......OCT84 - SEP86

N917JW......-10.....46727./.83......NOV84 - SEP86.....Leased from Arrow Air

N1826U.......-10.....46625./.169....MAR86 - SEP86....Leased from United Airlines

N1827U.......-10.....46626./.198....APR86 - SEP86....Leased from United Airlines

N1828U.......-10.....46627./.205....APR86 - SEP86....Leased from United Airlines

N1829U.......-10.....46628./.207....MAY86 - SEP86....Leased from United Airlines

SE-DHX.......-10.....46645./.283....JUN89 - MAY91....Leased from Scanair

N591LF.......-10(F).....46973./.272....DEC93 - APR94

LN-RKC......-30.....47814./.315.....MAY91 - OCT91....Leased from SAS

N109WA.....-30.....46933./.159.....APR90 - SEP90

N114WA.....-30.....46999./.289.....APR92 - JUL93

N115WA.....-30.....47818./.305.....APR92 - JUL93

N117WA.....-30.....48318./.446.....APR95 - OCT01

N136WA.....-30.....47844./.336.....FEB08 - JUL10

N137WA.....-30.....48282./.355.....AUG08 - JAN11

N138WA.....-30.....47845./.356.....FEB08 - JAN11

N139WA.....-30(ER).....46583./.292.....AUG08 - MAY09 - Damaged on hard landing at BWI.

N14075.......-30.....46922./.221.....OCT00 -

N352WL.....-30.....47838./.338.....JUN01 - FEB05

N353WL.....-30.....48318./.446.....NOV02 - OCT04

OH-LHA.....-30.....47956./.181.....OCT94 - AUG95.....Leased from Finnair

OH-LHE.....-30.....46978./.256.....MAY92 - AUG92....Leased from Finnair

PP-VMX.....-30.....47845./.356.....APR94 - JUN94.....Leased from VARIG

PP-VMY.....-30.....48282./.355....APR94 - JUN94.....Leased from VARIG

YV-133C.....-30.....46555./.91......JUL83 - OCT83......Leased from VIASA

9M-MAS......-30.....46955./.228....MAR96 - JUL98.....Leased from MAS

9M-MAV......-30.....48283./.350....MAR96 - AUG98

9M-MAW.....-30.....46959./.234....JUN95 - JUN96.....Leased from MAS

9M-MAZ......-30.....46933./.159....DEC95 - DEC98

N103WA.....-30CF....46975./.248....MAR78 - APR86

N104WA.....-30CF....46986./.253....JUN78 - APR86

N105WA.....-30CF....46987./.255....AUG78 - APR86

N105WA.....-30CF....46891./.127....OCT88 - OCT93

N106WA.....-30CF....46835./.277....APR79 - AUG94

N107WA.....-30CF....46836./.280....MAY79 - JUN02

N108WA.....-30CF....46837./.282....MAY79 - JUL94

N109WA.....-30CF....47819./.314....APR80 - APR86

N112WA.....-30CF....47820./.317....MAY80 - SEP94

N113WA.....-30CF....47821./.320....MAY80 - JAN82.....Damaged beyond repair on landing at BOS.

N116WA.....-30CF....47906./.115....DEC94 - JUN95

PH-MBN......-30CF....46924./.218....APR92 - JUN92.....Leased from Martinair

PH-MBT......-30CF....46985./.264....JUN92 - JUL92......Leased from Martinair

N303WL.....-30(F).....46917./.211....JUL01 - OCT08

N304WL.....-30(F).....47928./.192....OCT01 -

N526MD.....-30(F).....46998./.267....APR01 - APR02

N541SA.....-30(F).....46541./.281....NOV00 - FEB04


McDonnell Douglas MD-11

N269WA.....P.....48450./.479.....SEP10 - FEB12

N270WA.....P.....48449./.455.....JUL09 - FEB12

N271WA.....P.....48518./.525.....MAR93 - MAR14

N272WA.....P.....48437./.506.....APR93 - MAR14

N273WA.....P.....48519./.539.....APR93 - NOV13

N274WA.....F.....48633./.563.....MAR94 - FEB12

N275WA.....CF/(F).....48631./.579.....MAR95 - JUL12.....Cvtd in 2002

N276WA.....CF/(F).....48632./.582.....MAR95 - APR12

N277WA.....ER.....48743./.590.....NOV95 - APR12

N278WA.....ER.....48746./.597.....MAR96 - JAN12

N279WA.....P/(F).....48756./.623.....MAY02 - MAR12.....Cvtd in 2006

N280WA.....P.....48458./.449.....APR93 - SEP97

N380WA.....(F).....48407./.456.....APR05 - MAY13

N381WA.....(F).....48523./.516.....MAY05 - JAN14

N382WA.....(F).....48411./.453.....DEC08 - FEB14

N383WA.....(F).....48412./.454.....NOV08 - NOV13

N384WA.....(F).....48435./.478.....SEP08 - APR12

N801DE.....P.....48472./.480.....DEC04 - DEC07

N803DE.....P.....48474./.485.....MAR03 - JUL08

N804DE.....P.....48475./.489.....NOV03 - FEB08


Most of these aircraft were often either operated for or leased to other companies for variable time durations or for the MAC.



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 86, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

N271WA is halfway on its journey between BWI and GYR.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N271WA



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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 87, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7907 times:
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Anyone get a video of the flyby in BWI?


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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Flightaware is showing N742WA landed at Travis AFB 4 days ago and hasn't moved since. Anyone know what the plan is for it ?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 89, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7267 times:

According to below story, North American "will attempt" to keep flying for the DoD using 2 of 4 763s. N767 and N768 to be kept while N760 and N764 will get returned. A cadre of 95 employees will be left.

However NA might shut down itself due to lack of funding for ongoing operations per court filing. In the mean North American is also being offered for sale BK


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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 90, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7127 times:
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I think NA is screwed just like WO. The two 767's that there are keeping are dedicated for a run out of IAD for a ''client'' who has the aircraft in an all business class configuration. One aircraft flies, the other is the spare, and they are not allowed to send it out on other missions. I am sure that NA will be sold with the ''added value'' of flying the ''client''.


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User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

If you read the restructuring page for WO/NA - NA has to make a payment directly to Cerberus by today or the rest of the DIP financing will be under default.

Docket number #0437 so I dont get in trouble with the Mods.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 92, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 79):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 72):
Many other sources say it was N692WA.
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 74):
I have a nice little book "The 727 Boeingscrapbook" by Len and Terry Morgan. It has the same in-flight picture that's further up this thread with the leg sticking out from the main gear door but it's not as cropped, showing the lower half of the N-number. It's clearly N691WA.

I dpn't have that book but I still have the report about WO published in Airways June 1998. In it is the famous inflight picture of the 727 where the tail air intake is clearly visible with N691WA written on it.

Thanks. Yes, I found the photo with enough of the N691WA registration visible. Maybe N692WA was the other World 727 that escorted the damaged aircraft into SGN. It appears in the Youtube video of that event from about 3:35 to 3:45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcWZ7j1iTg

Walter Cronkite refers to the 727 as a "jumbo jet" in the preamble to the CBS News report.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 93, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

My records show the following aircraft sitting around;

B747

N740WA
N742WA

DC10

N139WA
N14075
N352WL
N14075

MD11

N380WA
N382WA
N383WA
N272WA
N270WA
N269WA
N271WA
N273WA
N381WA
N275WA
N277WA

There seems little chance for the DC10's, but what about the B747's and MD11's.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 94, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6608 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 93):
DC10

N139WA
N14075
N352WL

139 was badly damaged at BWI and fly again. 14075 is reported as being scrapped while 352 was flown to GWO back in 2005. Many parts are missing.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 93):
MD11

N380WA
N382WA
N383WA
N272WA
N270WA
N269WA
N271WA
N273WA
N381WA
N275WA
N277WA

N380WA is intended to be broken up at OST where it sits currently. 269 & 270 have been streeping of many parts and to be broken up (There are pictures on line). 275 & 277 have been sold to Unical Aviation, and from what I understand it is a spare parts provider...

Perhaps 381, 382 & 383 wil have more chance, like 384 and join another airline, like Western Global if it ever leaves the deck.



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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 95, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

N742 is scheduled SUU/MZJ this afternoon.

Ed



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 96, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

Just re checked www.faa.gov

Surprised at report that N139WA flew again, they record as cancelled 15/07/2010. This would lead me to think that it is either stored or scrapped.

N14075 expired 21/05/2013. Can anyone help with a scrapping date.

N352WL expired 30/09/2011, surprised to find it is still at GWO.

N275WA/N277WA both cancelled 30/01/2014. I would tend to think they have been parted/scrapped. Confirmation appreciated.


User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 97, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6338 times:
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Quoting bennett123 (Reply 96):
Surprised at report that N139WA flew again, they record as cancelled 15/07/2010. This would lead me to think that it is either stored or scrapped


139WA never flew again. The forward bulkhead was cracked in its incident and it now sits in BWI where the airport uses it for training.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 98, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 93):

My records show the following aircraft sitting around;

B747

N740WA
N742WA

...

There seems little chance for the DC10's, but what about the B747's and MD11's.

As for the Jumbo-Jets N740WA has been leased to Air Atlanta as TF-AMM just a week ago or so and is apparently going to fly for Saudia. N742WA is stored but being two years younger than 740 I am confident it´ll find another operator sooner or later.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Sorry, I forgot about DC10 N705TZ, last noted at Marana on 24/05/2011. Still in ATA colours.

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 100, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...0,TF-AMM-Air-Atlanta-Icelandic.php

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=740WA

Sorry, I missed N740WA going to Air Atlanta as TF-AMM.

Cactuswings confirm that it flew from KRME to JFK on 24/03/2014.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 101, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 96):
N14075 expired 21/05/2013. Can anyone help with a scrapping date.

On the picture below, dating from 2009, it's the first aircraft on the left, followed by another WO -30(F). If you check maps google, the spot occupied by N14075 on the photo is now empty, and the -30(F) has been replaced by a -40(F). There are even less DC-10 parked in that alley than previously.


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As I wanted to say too, 139WA never flew again, here it is at BWI.



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

Quoting Panther (Reply 63):
Very sad! I took off right behind N272WA last night at BWI while she was heading to GYR. They used the Douglas N272WA call signs. There was a lot of well wishes on the radio to them. They performed a full power takeoff on RWY 28. They rotated halfway down the runway and climbed like a rocket! It was awesome and sad. Good luck guys.

This was my favorite aircraft when I was at World always did her task and never gave any problems. Hope to see her in the sky again. I will miss her.


User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting na (Reply 98):
N742WA is stored

N742WA has been doing trips out of Travis AFB the past couple of weeks and is only now scheduled to fly to Marana this afternoon.



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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

Quoting ua900 (Reply 76):

As someone less familiar with charters and/or cargo, it seems that with the demise of TZ, EZ, RD, WO, and potentially NA a lot of experience in the charter market is disappearing quickly. Is there any way to reverse the bleeding?
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 78):
I think many of these companies got used to the regular checks from the US government, Their fleets were obligated to Uncle Sam for so long, that they did not properly stay diversified enough to survive the loss of their main business.

The real killer of Ryan, World, Evergreen, etc lately has been the scheduled carriers milking the CRAF component and providing a better product at greater efficiency. When the large-scale war demand goes away, and DL, UA, SY, etc figure out they can have the slack in their schedules filled with lucrative DoD flying, as they are part of CRAF anyways, they can provide the IFE, comfy cabins, business and first seats, etc. for the same or less price than the 767s and MD11s running in all Y configs at a higher operating cost.

Omni was smart to always operate the LAS and HNL commercial charters and never bailing on a commercial flight to protect an AMC mission - not the same for World, North American and Ryan who protected the AMC flying at all costs. Problem is when the AMC need goes away, and you don't have the commercial product to keep the aircraft going, you're left without a seat at the table. Atlas also didn't help with picking up AMC flying on the 747s and 767s and for less cost than the others as they are supported with their extensive ACMI and commercial freight business. Now they control the market.

Sad to see another one bite the dust, but everyone saw it coming.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 105, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 104):
DL, UA, SY, etc figure out they can have the slack in their schedules filled with lucrative DoD flying, as they are part of CRAF anyways, they can provide the IFE, comfy cabins, business and first seats, etc. for the same or less price than the 767s and MD11s running in all Y configs at a higher operating cost.

AMC tended to prefer all Y configs over business class in my experience. I've worked planes with both cabins, and all Y and the military reps were generally happier not having business class. Also, typically when an all Y MD11 was loading, it'd be full.

One of the biggest problems for World and the others was companies like Atlas coming in and underbidding WO, but taking a loss by operating the 747.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 106, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

SpaceshipDC10

Do you know when that Google image was taken.

I noted the VARIG DC10's, but they arrived in 2009 and are still there in 2014, (as N576SH and N578SH).

MTIA


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 106):
Do you know when that Google image was taken.

No I don't. However there's a February 2011 picture of the same alley with a WO passenger DC-10 at the same spot but due to its color it could be N136WA that has since been B/U too. And in a wide view picture of Marana from December 2012, I can't see any World DC-10 parked.



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 108, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

Just found this on Planepictures dated 7 October 2011;

www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1092849

Looks as if it was broken soon after.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 109, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 108):
Looks as if it was broken soon after.

Indeed. First they removed whatever useful in a way or another, then the hull must have been moved to the scrape corner. The two World DC-10-30(F) were much more lucky since they began a new 'flying' carrier in Canada, at least until this year.



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 110, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-dc10-46915.htm

Looks like N705TZ did not see out 2011.

Anyone who can confirm?.

MTIA


User currently onlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4220 times:
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Quoting bennett123 (Reply 110):

A shot of that very plane being scrapped in MZJ was uploaded to a.net just yesterday.

But I've known all the TZ D10s were cut up, as they've appeared in other shots from MZJ in the background for awhile now.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 112, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4159 times:


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Photo © John Padgett



Found it.


User currently onlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3725 times:
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I guess WO was supposed to take some of those TZ DC-10s, but none of the ones that flew for TZ actually moved on after they shut down. The 3 exNW D10s WO got in 2008 were originally supposed to go to ATA.

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 114, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Now confirmed n352wl scrapped 2007.

Www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-29769

Www.flikrhivemind.net/tags/dc1030/recent


User currently onlineUA444 From United States of America, joined Mar 2014, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3402 times:
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What happened to N136-138WA?

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 116, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 115):
What happened to N136-138WA?

They were broken up.

This is 136.

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Both 137 & 138 followed the same path but at CEW.



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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 117, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3253 times:
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Quoting UA444 (Reply 113):
I guess WO was supposed to take some of those TZ DC-10s, but none of the ones that flew for TZ actually moved on after they shut down. The 3 exNW D10s WO got in 2008 were originally supposed to go to ATA.
Quoting UA444 (Reply 113):
The 3 exNW D10s WO got in 2008 were originally supposed to go to ATA.

I think N139WA was at TZ for a while before it came to WO. it had a sticker next to the L1 door that said "The Employees of ATA Welcome You Aboard'



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Reply 118, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3223 times:
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Quoting airtran737 (Reply 117):

Yes, N701TZ became N139WA (and then got written off in BWI), but the remaining TZ DC-10s I read on A.net were supposed to also go to WO, but never did.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 116):

Where is CEW?


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 119, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

KCEW is Crestview Bob Sikes in Florida.

http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Bob_Sikes_Airport?lang=en

[Edited 2014-04-16 12:24:39]

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1983 posts, RR: 3
Reply 120, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3030 times:

Quoting UA444 (Reply 118):
Where is CEW?

You can still see one of the two aircraft being dismantled on Google.



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 121, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

SpaceshipDC10

You may find this thread, and my earlier thread interesting.

Kcew Crestview Bob Sikes Airport (by danman132x Mar 25 2014 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=6037812&searchid=6037812&s=Bob+Sikes#ID6037812


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