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Possible To Still Fly SIN-LHR Nonstop?  
User currently offlineSin777er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

Is it still possible? Or does SQ need to stop in Paris, Dubai, or Madras?

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User currently offlineVictor Alpha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Well,
SQ318,320,322 does it.
QF9 does it.
BA16,BA18,BA22 does it.
All non-stop too.


User currently offlineSin777er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Do you get the point? With Afghanistan and Pakistan airspace closed. I know SQ always flies over Afghanistan on it's way to London.

User currently offline9v-spk From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

From my point of view, it's possible.
Because if London is not possible, then how about Brussels?Amsterdam?Copenhagen?Paris etc?

That means all SQ and other Asian and European airlines that flies from SIN to Europe (London) have to make a stop?But i haven't heard of anything like this, except just one SQ flight flew to Madras for some reasons that i don't know.

So i guess they can still make it.

Best Regards


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19204 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

The flights will simply reroute from LHR to SIN; they will fly over an alternative country instead of Afghanistan. When I flew from DEL to SVO, we flew due West to Mid-Iran, before heading North. Ordinarily, I suspect this flight would fly a very different, shorter (and therefore cheaper), route.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

From the last Gulf War, when airlines rerouted just a tad bit over their usual flight plans, it only added about 20-30 minutes flight time. So it's not a big deal.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

According to Malaysia Airlines, flight times to Europe have onyl increased by about 15 mins due to the new routing which sees MAS aircraft flying over Saudi Arabia and then turning northwest into Europe.

This is not that unusual as I have been on many European-S.E.Asian flights previous to the War, when due to weather conditions or some other reason, the flights have used this more Southerly route.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8088 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Being shot at isn't the only risk in wartime - a C141 or C5a missed a cruising Qantas 747-400 near the Persian Gulf during the Gulf War in 1991. Despite being relatively unheard of, it is considered by some as one of the nearest near-misses ever, the Cwhateveritwas was 15 feet under the 747 (same direction etc) and the 747 was buffeting in the slipstream of the USAF plane. Scary shit.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

15 feet - surely not. 150?????

User currently offlineVictor Alpha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1459 times:

Its definately possible, isnt that what they're doing right now? Only adding 30 mins to the trip though.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

Sin777er, yes. All of the european flights from Singapore are still flying direct to their destinations but I believe they leave Singapore with their tanks full. SQ 26 last night had a final fuel of 173,000.

alvin



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8088 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

I read 15 ft. I know, I know.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

I thought SIN-LHR was on the edge of the 747-400s range-there was some controversy that they were arriving in London with very little fuel.

What happens when the winter winds become worse or when fog in the Uk starts to set in.

Perhaps they will carry less payload.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

When I flew SIN-LHR last year I was surprised how far north the plane actually flew, flying across India then across Pakistan made a right hand turn north and went across the Caspian Sea, which is a fair distance from Afganstan. 13 hours 10 minutes,



Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Re SIN-LHR, BA, QF and others from various parts of Europe have avoided Afghanistan for many years in both directions. Most Asian airlines and Aeroflot did fly over the top but all have ceased.

As to range, any reports of a certain S E Asian airline (not SIA) landing in London with nearly empty tanks is to do with economics, not range. On a journey back from SIN-LHR in 1997, on QANTAS, we routed over India, near Bombay and we were planned over Saudia Arabia, Jordan/Syria and Turkey.

There was some almighty cock up as the crew told us we were denied Saudi entry as planned due to Hadj traffic conflictions and we headed North East over the Gulf, into Iranian airspace from where Turkey refused us entry, so we ended up dog legging over Armenia, west along the Black Sea and over Romania. We left SIN before BA and SIA and landed well after them, journey time 14 hours 24 mins.

On the other topic raised here, re the 747 and the USAF transport, I assume this was in dense cloud, at cruise level?

The C141 cruises at Mach.74 to Mach.80, the C5 at Mach .76 to Mach .825. The 747 cruises at Mach .84.

If on the same track, the 747 would overtake both types and any wake turbulence would be apparent long before even a 150 feet encounter.

In normal circumstance, at the rate of overtaking, the aircraft would have been visible for a long period before any turbulence. In that neck of the woods the sky is normally clear at altitude. Both the C141 and C5 look large from behind and tend to leave large contrails from the engines and/or visible wake vortices and, these can be seen at all times except on the very darkest night.

C141 and C5 traffic, even in proximity to war zones, still monitors civilian frequencies and doesn't occupy civil air lanes without ATC control. It also monitors the civilian "guard" VHF frequency in HF controlled areas.

Now back to the "15 ft" bit. A near miss may have happened during the Gulf War but not as stated, not that close and not due to the fact a conflict was taking place.


User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Further to the above, I've found the following from Australian Govt sources:

"11 September 1990
Qantas Boeing 747 with 360 aboard missed a USAF C-5 Galaxy plane by a reported 17 metres, while flying over Phuket. The case raised air traffic control clearance issues.
Age and Sydney Morning Herald 14 September 1990."

So, there was an incident, it was not during the Gulf War, it was in a VHF airways controlled zone in S E Asia, not the Mid East, and the distance was an "estimated" 17 metres (i.e. in excess of 50 ft).

I will try and find further info.


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